Can someone give me a step by step for taking the lower triple off?
problem is the top triple is off due to it being in three pieces. i read the tutorial on it, and it won't help me. also the top bolt or whatever it is is kinda damaged.
i'll try to post pics if i didn't explain it right.
If your talking about the special nut in the center of the triple, since it is already damaged, I'd just use a pipe wrench on it. It WILL get messed up a bit.
When you get a new one, use the correct tool (or other method) to tighten it back up without damage.
thank you. was just making sure i didn't have a step that i missed.
fricking thing wont come off.
everything is off the front end but the lower. gonna just send it to the repair shop like that and let them handle it.
i have been looking at the simple way to take the front frame off and it seems if i take the front engine bolt out and the two side bolts between the main and subframes, the front of the frame should slide right off. leaving the subframe and swingarm attached.
I'm just assuming you don't want to use the same method for the lower triple as you used for the top? ;)
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right...
i have the front end off and next is the exhaust system, kickstand and rearsets. i think i'm gonna just upgrade the rearsets in the process.
i need to get some wood to prop up the engine.
anyone have an idea if i take off that front engine bolt and front frame if the rear suspension will push the bike over?
Forks.
ok i got word on some S4R forks that need new lowers (the part the brake mounts to-don't know the proper name-stanchions maybe?)- they're wrecked but been told no damage to the actual forks.
My lowers are fine.
in the end i would get S4R fully adjustable Showas with Ti-N and the 696 Radial mounts.
EDIT: well this is what i found out. and i think it was mentioned before but didn't understand the implications.
THe 696 forks are kinda unique in that they only have a damper on one side and only a spring on the other. ok no biggy, swap out the internals or stanchions and tubes with another bikes and keep your axle mounts...
well because the 696 only has one damper, the other axle mount isn't drilled on the bottom to mount a damper. so in the end either you have to get a complete front end from another bike including brakes (unless from another radial mount bike like an 848) or you have to find a way to drill a hole counter sink it for mounting a damper bolt. anone have any ideas?
The tear down has started
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Seeing your 696 stripped down like that is like porn!
Quote from: Special K on September 04, 2009, 08:45:07 AM
Seeing your 696 stripped down like that is like porn!
my wife thinks i feel the same way..
OK for those of you taking the 696 swing arm off BE CAREFUL. when you remove the shock mount the swingarm drops onto the exhaust pipe pretty hard. i caught it but woah.
anyway. got the shock out and gave up on the swingarm axle for tonight cause need to break chain and remove chainguard to get at the screw that clamps down on the swingarm shaft.
most frustrating part is the mainframe to subframe bolt. The ones you see are just covers for another inside. THAT needs a special tool. WHICH i don't have. lovely!
Part # 88713.3166 Wrench for tightening frame ring nut
soooo i'm a bit frustrated can you tell [bang]
ok came up with a solution for the frame. gonna take the whole frame off the bike and take it to the duc dealer to get the 2 side bolts and lower triple removed.
have to break the chain also as i'm taking the swing arm off.
should have that done by this weekend.
then it will be completely apart.
still haven't heard from the engine place about possible mods.
Think i've found a new lower triple and forks.
Anyone think a SF lower and forks will fit on the 696?
i'll have a pic or two (maybe... dropped my phone and it's dead) but you've all seen an engine before anyway.
Awesome that you are jumping in and pulling stuff apart! Thanks for that swing arm tip.
I just received my new Ohlins shock and Sato rear sets and I'm getting ready to install the parts myself.
I'll be waiting for more progress pics [thumbsup]
Quote from: Raux on August 22, 2009, 11:47:23 AM
Can someone give me a step by step for taking the lower triple off?
problem is the top triple is off due to it being in three pieces. i read the tutorial on it, and it won't help me. also the top bolt or whatever it is is kinda damaged.
i'll try to post pics if i didn't explain it right.
Do you have the 696 service manual? I purchased one on-line for $6(download version) after reading thru it, I gained much confidence in tearing into my bike.
Quote from: danaid on September 16, 2009, 07:55:20 AM
Do you have the 696 service manual? I purchased one on-line for $6(download version) after reading thru it, I gained much confidence in tearing into my bike.
WHAT :O i would never download that ;)
ok so if the fork offset is changed from 30 to 28 what would the trail do? wheelbase? and how would it affect handling? what would be the clearance issues? my early calculations increased my trail about 5mm is that right? or did i find screwy calculators?
ok forget the fork question. i'm gonna stick with the 30mm offset as to not worry about all those issues.
BUT good news. the side bolts on the side that connect the main to subframe ARE the only one's to take the frame apart. the other wierd bolt is a spacer of sorts for correct alignment i guess. still have to take them off to repaint but not an issue for removing the frame. SO... drumroll please.... (will post pics later)
BIKE IS APART!
yep, all the way down to a motor on a stand.
the main frame has three things on it to take off: lower triple, gas tanks rubber mounts and side bolts (mentioned above)
The swing arm is heavier than i thought. and the whole frame lighter...
Next is taking the frame to the dealer to remove for the triple and side bolts without damaging them... they all require special tools
then off to a repair shop, get all the need replacement parts, decide if i'm gonna upgrade the engine... and PRAY i can put it back together. I'll post pics in the morning.
Would it be at all possible to make a "Trellis" rear frame while you're at it?
I'm sure that would be an exciting and good looking mod 8)
Quote from: stopintime on September 19, 2009, 01:42:22 PM
Would it be at all possible to make a "Trellis" rear frame while you're at it?
I'm sure that would be an exciting and good looking mod 8)
i think it would be possible to make a half trellis for sure, whole not so sure because of how the frames mount together at the engine mount points and at the cross.
basically there are three (and a half) critiical points.. the front engine mount with both frames the main the outer and the sub between the main and engine. the middle or cross there the two are mated, and the rear engine mount with only the sub. and a left side higher mount for the shock.
basically if you chop the sub behind those 3 and a half points and add tubes you could do it. but i'm not a welder so it won't be me. the left would have a slighter larger casting but it should look cool that way.
Maybe MotoCreations could do this? I mean, some people have been complaining about the new bikes not having a full Trellis (don't know if you're one of them) and you might be the first to go that route....
It's probably silly expensive. Maybe a cool partial paint job, same color?
Quote from: stopintime on September 19, 2009, 02:02:38 PM
Maybe MotoCreations could do this? I mean, some people have been complaining about the new bikes not having a full Trellis (don't know if you're one of them) and you might be the first to go that route....
It's probably silly expensive. Maybe a cool partial paint job, same color?
i'm certainly gonna work on smoothing out all the castings and will be doing a cool repaint with a not black frame with matching subframe ;)
picked up this used engine lift cheap.
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ok the last few bolts and lower triple are off. took a trip to the local dealer and he helped with the last few things cause i don't have the proper tools... yet.
putting out my feelers for a good shop. but the dealer said that he can get a NEW frame for about 700 euro. then my VIN gets put on that frame... is that legal? i mean i have all the paperwork so i own that VIN number. and the frame is just a part right?
Frame is not just a part - it "is" the bike, in legal terms.
There is close to no chance anyone will ever find out, but didn't your bike get salvaged? If so, your bike/VIN isn't legal until proven roadworthy - maybe? If it was me I would check this with some local clubs or bike builders.
I don't really know these things for sure, just speaking as a conserned fellow DMF'er.
Just in case anyone searches for this thread I wanted to put the rebuilt bike on here.
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Looks great. And a red frame is what Ducati and God intended. ;)
Well done.
With the original Pearl white skins and passenger pegs from S&P
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Looks good. Let's see a side view.
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Nice work.
Quote from: Travman on February 06, 2011, 02:02:31 PM
Looks good. Let's see a side view.
wide angle lens and a temporary light, don't knock on me too hard about the light sticking out [bang]
...I. Think. The. Light. Sticks. Out. Too. Far...
;D
Seriously. It all looks spectacular. [bacon] [bacon]