I need to re-arrange/trim my wiring harness down quite a bit. Instead of a bunch of soldering/heatshrink going on, I'd like to find some crimps and just shorten/lengthen the wiring as needed.
Any idea where I can source these from?
I think this would do better in Tech.
You want to move it or should I?
I don't have any idea where you can buy the pins for the connectors.
I can't find the link now, but there are companies out there that have the crimps for OEM style harness connectors. Have you tried the supply houses like Mouser electronics, Marlin P. Jones, etc?
I found this link somewhere:
http://www.cyclewareables.com/pages/electrical_connectors_terminals/electrical_terminals_and_connectors.htm (http://www.cyclewareables.com/pages/electrical_connectors_terminals/electrical_terminals_and_connectors.htm)
They look like da kine.
Haven't ordered anything from them yet because I still don't have a garage to set up.
Though I haven't ordered any yet - I believe they are 'Weatherpack' terminals
http://www.cyclewareables.com/pages/electrical_connectors_terminals/electrical_terminals_and_connectors.htm (http://www.cyclewareables.com/pages/electrical_connectors_terminals/electrical_terminals_and_connectors.htm)
http://whiteproducts.com/connectors.shtml (http://whiteproducts.com/connectors.shtml)
How do I move it (tech....thought I was in there already).
NOT weatherpack connectors though. I've got plenty of those laying around, don't like'm at all (fit seems sloppy).
Quote from: TAftonomos on August 23, 2009, 09:04:05 AM
How do I move it (tech....thought I was in there already).
NOT weatherpack connectors though. I've got plenty of those laying around, don't like'm at all (fit seems sloppy).
I'll take care of it for you T.
I've gotten from this guy and I HIGHLY recommend. Even though it's in Japan, the shipping is fast and the same as if it were in the states. I also recommend getting the Hozan crimper.
Email the guy, he's very helpful.
HTH
Thanks for the info....but I can't see a link or email address. Am I doing something wrong?
The original connectors are AMD by Tyco, they have a website. There was mucho discussion about them on TOB. You need special tools to crimp the ends properly and the various parts are only available in bulk.
One fellow said he had bought an assembly kit and a load of connections but then TOB fell over and dunno what happened with the idea.
I got some second hand ones and pulled them apart, looked like too much of a hassle to muck around with them without special tools.
Quote from: TAftonomos on August 23, 2009, 07:51:24 PM
Thanks for the info....but I can't see a link or email address. Am I doing something wrong?
Sorry,
it was late and I was tired.
Here's the link
http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__Products/Connectors/Sealed/Other/other.html (http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__Products/Connectors/Sealed/Other/other.html)
and here's the email
jim@easternbeaver.com
I've got 50+ male and female 4pin tyco/amp conectors with the wiring jackets and I have 300+ male and female pins It's all the same stuff they use from the factory I got them to build O2 manipulators but haven't had the time to put them together. if you need some connectors or pins let me know. I'll try to find the company I used and send you the link as well.
the correct name for the connectors are Superseal by Amp/Tyco, i actaully have the model numbers for most of the connectors on my 2006 S2R, however i do not have them with me at the time. Do a search for wire harness....wiring, and look for my name there may be a list on this board somewhere that i posted a while ago.
I would buy these connectors from a member of the board first, but if they do not have what you need these guys sell individual connectors and pins, but you need to know the model numbers...... shipping isn't very economical buying in small numbers, hence buy from a member first.
http://www.onlinecomponents.com/ (http://www.onlinecomponents.com/)
Part numbers for the nice AMP connectors on the S2R:
part number # of pins
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282079-2 1 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282080-1 2 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282087-1 3 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282088-1 4 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282089-1 5 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282090-1 6 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 183025-1 female Receptacle Contact for Plug (Loose)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282110-1 female Receptacle Contact for Plug (Strip)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 281934-3 universal for 16 awg Wire Seal Red
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 880810-1 2 Boot
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 880811-2 3 Boot
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 493581-1 4 boot
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 880814-1 5 Boot
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282103-1 1 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282104-1 2 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282105-1 3 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282106-1 4 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282107-1 5 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282108-1 6 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 183024-1 male Tab Contact for Cap (Loose)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282109-1 male Tab Contact for Cap (Strip)
Thanks Chromo and RB, I've been looking for a source for both those kind of connectors for some car projects to no avail. you saved me a ton of time.
For anyone else interested, check out this tread (lots of good links): http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=20703.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=20703.0)
Quote from: RB on September 02, 2009, 06:06:36 AM
http://www.onlinecomponents.com/ (http://www.onlinecomponents.com/)
Part numbers for the nice AMP connectors on the S2R:
part number # of pins
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282079-2 1 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282080-1 2 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282087-1 3 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282088-1 4 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282089-1 5 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282090-1 6 Plug
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 183025-1 female Receptacle Contact for Plug (Loose)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282110-1 female Receptacle Contact for Plug (Strip)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 281934-3 universal for 16 awg Wire Seal Red
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 880810-1 2 Boot
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 880811-2 3 Boot
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 493581-1 4 boot
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 880814-1 5 Boot
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282103-1 1 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282104-1 2 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282105-1 3 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282106-1 4 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282107-1 5 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282108-1 6 Cap (socket)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 183024-1 male Tab Contact for Cap (Loose)
SuperSeal 1.5 Series AMP 282109-1 male Tab Contact for Cap (Strip)
I just added the part number for the 4 position boot. I'm placing an order for a couple of 4 position assemblies for the headlight. Word of warning - TYCO has made this line obsolete and Online Components has LONG backorders for some pieces like the male posts. Luckily I don't need any of those.
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CRAP! I just went to check out and Online Components requires a $35 minimum order. Currently, for 2 4 plugs and all the components (in case I screw up the first time) my total is $11. Anybody need some connectors? I'll take a tour of the bike later and see if I could use those connectors anywhere else.
I checked first with the board member and he has them, but won't have access to them until middle of December because of a move......
thanks angler, i just updated my post to include the number for the 4 position boot.
I wish i could help you with your order but i ordered all my stuff last year......and i might get to building the harness this year....ha!
I could use a few bits and bobs. Being just down the street would make for any easy group buy. Let me know or maybe start a group buy thread?
Quote from: yuu on November 10, 2009, 08:10:50 AM
I could use a few bits and bobs. Being just down the street would make for any easy group buy. Let me know or maybe start a group buy thread?
I'd be happy to order whatever you need or start a group buy thread. When I went to check out, I noticed that they were out of the 4 position boot and it will take like 8 weeks to backorder.
Where would one start a group buy thread?
More and more I want to re-route some wiring.
How many different gauges of wire are there? I have a wire cutting tool that appears to have gauge measuring holes. But I'm not sure that's what they are... ???
12+5+3=20 years of education and I'm dumb. :-\
Most of the wiring on a Duc is 16 ga. The stuff for the ecu is lighter, but I'm not sure by how much.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 10, 2009, 04:06:45 PM
Most of the wiring on a Duc is 16 ga. The stuff for the ecu is lighter, but I'm not sure by how much.
Thanks DP.
Does anyone know what wire type/amp rating?
Quote from: angler on November 10, 2009, 09:31:10 AM
I'd be happy to order whatever you need or start a group buy thread. When I went to check out, I noticed that they were out of the 4 position boot and it will take like 8 weeks to backorder.
Where would one start a group buy thread?
Herm... of course the 4 is out. I was thinking of that for headlight work... But there's some other stuff.
A thread might be over kill - since it seems any of the interested players have already piped up in here. Maybe we just trade some email/pms?
When you say male posts do you mean the actual crimps of the male end of the plug? The male crimps/internals are kind of important if you are redoing your harness.
Then again, if you've come up with a better solution, please let me know. Since I've got to shorten both ends, I don't mind going to a entirely different connector, as long as it's as good as the oem stuff (NOT weatherpack crap, etc).
Quote from: TAftonomos on November 11, 2009, 11:43:52 AM
When you say male posts do you mean the actual crimps of the male end of the plug? The male crimps/internals are kind of important if you are redoing your harness.
Then again, if you've come up with a better solution, please let me know. Since I've got to shorten both ends, I don't mind going to a entirely different connector, as long as it's as good as the oem stuff (NOT weatherpack crap, etc).
These things are ala carte; each component part is sold separately. The male posts are the actual male crimps that then get assembled into the plastic body with various other seals.
I'm not redoing my harness - yet. After pulling the headlight and dropping the gauges I would sure love to get rid of some of that mess. I'm just looking for the female side of the headlight plug. If I could find a junked headlight or pigtail, I would be just as happy as I could just graft that into the headlight I have.
I was planning to got through RB's entire list and post prices and availability, but it has been a busy day.
I may have a pigtail for you, I've got a few harnesses laying around that I've pulled connectors from. [thumbsup]
Quote from: TAftonomos on November 11, 2009, 11:59:43 AM
I may have a pigtail for you, I've got a few harnesses laying around that I've pulled connectors from. [thumbsup]
Awesome! Let me know.....
Here are prices and availability:
in stock $1.51 282079-2 1 Plug
in stock $1.13 282080-1 2 Plug
in stock $1.42 282087-1 3 Plug
in stock $1.45 282088-1 4 Plug
in stock $2.41 282089-1 5 Plug
backorder $2.12 282090-1 6 Plug
in stock $0.19 183025-1 female Receptacle Contact for Plug (Loose)
in stock $0.14 282110-1 female Receptacle Contact for Plug (Strip)
in stock $0.11 281934-3 universal for 16 awg Wire Seal Red
in stock $2.48 880810-1 2 Boot
in stock $2.74 880811-2 3 Boot
backorder $1.94 493581-1 4 boot
Dont' Stock 880814-1 5 Boot
in stock $0.95 282103-1 1 Cap (socket)
in stock $0.97 282104-1 2 Cap (socket)
in stock $1.14 282105-1 3 Cap (socket)
in stock $1.27 282106-1 4 Cap (socket)
in stock $2.41 282107-1 5 Cap (socket)
in stock $2.53 282108-1 6 Cap (socket)
backorder $0.15 183024-1 male Tab Contact for Cap (Loose)
in stock $0.12 282109-1 male Tab Contact for Cap (Strip)
Formatting is kinda effed - sorry. Turns out they do have the male contacts in "strip" format. From TYCO that means "Strip mounted on a metal carrier and shipped on a reel for use with semi-automatic application tooling." I added it to my cart and it allowed me to add just one, not a whole roll, but who knows.
If TAftonomos can provide a pigtail, I don't need to order anything. Otherwise, I'm in.....
When i ordered my plug contacts, i ordered the strip. They will work in regular crimps once you remove them from the strip. I actually like ordering the strip, because they aren't loose and less prone to get lost.
Quote from: RB on November 12, 2009, 02:18:33 AM
When i ordered my plug contacts, i ordered the strip. They will work in regular crimps once you remove them from the strip. I actually like ordering the strip, because they aren't loose and less prone to get lost.
How many pieces are on each strip?
uh....not sure. I am at work and will have to check tonight. I thought i could specify, since these things are hand packed, i figure the strip came off of a larger roll.
RB
Well no dice on the headlight pigtail search, so I'm going to place an order. Let me know what you want by 11/24/09 (next Tuesday) and I'll put in the order. Use the list I posted detailing quantities available and PM me the part number and quantity. I'll invoice you the amount on the invoice for your parts, pro-rate the shipping to get to my house and ship the stuff to you for as cheap as I can get it to you. Local to DC, I'll deliver for [drink]
Bump for a reminder. Get me your orders today (11/24). I've got two orders, plus myself, so I should have no problem meeting the minimum $35 order.
Just woke up from the midshift, so I'll see if I can get this together.
Would be nice to see a complete diagram of what you need for one complete plug assembly.
I'm assuming 2 boots, one plug, one socket, is that correct?
Are the red plastic inserts on the factory wiring caps included with each socket or plug, or are these parts separate as well?
Quote from: TAftonomos on November 24, 2009, 07:04:57 AM
Just woke up from the midshift, so I'll see if I can get this together.
Would be nice to see a complete diagram of what you need for one complete plug assembly.
I'm assuming 2 boots, one plug, one socket, is that correct?
Are the red plastic inserts on the factory wiring caps included with each socket or plug, or are these parts separate as well?
I couldn't find a complete diagram, but here is a verbal one using a 4 position plug for an example. To get the entire plug, male and female side, This is what you would order:
1 ea. 282088-1 = female side of plug body
1 ea. 282106-1 = male side of plug body
4 ea. 183025-1 = female metal contacts
4 ea. 282109-1 = male metal contacts
8 ea. 281934-3 = 16awg wire seal
2 ea. 493581-1 = boot
If you wanted just the female (male) side, order just one of the plug bodies and cut the rest of the order in half. Does that make sense?
It does, but when I search the online parts thing for 281934-1, it either abbreviates it to 281934, or makes it a -c which isn't available.
Quote from: TAftonomos on November 24, 2009, 07:55:05 AM
It does, but when I search the online parts thing for 281934-1, it either abbreviates it to 281934, or makes it a -c which isn't available.
Sorry, I mistyped. It should be 281934-
3 (http://www.onlinecomponents.com/buy/AMP-TYCO/281934-3/ (http://www.onlinecomponents.com/buy/AMP-TYCO/281934-3/)). I edited my post above.
I should also put in a disclaimer here. I have never used these components before and I'm not positive about any of this. Caveat Emptor.
Order has been placed - a little late. I will now have a veritable connector warehouse in a week or so. The 4 position boots are on b/o.
darn, if i knew you were running late i would have gotten in on that order too.
Sorry about that. I've been extremely busy. If you need just a few things, I might have you covered.
Quote from: angler on December 07, 2009, 04:06:40 PM
Sorry about that. I've been extremely busy. If you need just a few things, I might have you covered.
Thanks I'll keep that in mind.
If you have extras, I'll buy some contacts from you.
I bought an entire wiring harness for my bike on eBay for $99. That way I can go over every circuit. ...maybe overkill, but it'll work better for me.
Order is in, I think. It was kind of a mess dealing with Onlinecomponents. The are completely out of 4 position boots (would require a minimum order of 2k to get the factory to run some) and 5 position female side plug (#282089-1). They are on b/o and I should get them sometime in the next 8 weeks. I'll be going through it tonight to make sure they sent everything and parceling out everyone's order. I've got orders from Yuu, Speedmerchant, Taftonomos and RB so you guys can expect to hear from me soon with order cost, shipping estimates, a request for you address and my paypal address.
Pompetta, I'll see tonight what I have left in the was of contacts. What quantity are you looking for and are you looking for male and female?
Dunno if you looked at some posts about these connectors on TOB, but have you worked out how you are going to actually hook up the wires to the contacts, and then get the contacts into the connectors ?? I pulled a knackered one to pieces, those contacts are rather tricky.....
I've heard and I've ordered a few extra to play with. A little late for this advice BTW.
i bought a crimper on fleabay, search for SuperSeal, had to get it from Deutchland.
the correct crimpers from Amp/Tyco will probably run around $200usd, mine from Germany were 30euros+ship. Since they are not specifically made for the amp connector, and will 'fit' a variety of pins i figured i would take a chance. they work fine for building a few connectors at a time, takes a little longer the and you definitiely need to experiment with a few, but i am satisfied with the resualts.
RB
Quote from: angler on December 16, 2009, 12:45:28 PM
Order is in, I think. It was kind of a mess dealing with Onlinecomponents.
Mess continues. The boxes were missing a few components. Still sorting it all out.
Sorry for the delay.
no need for an apology, you are doing us a HUGE favor, i am sorry you have to sort things out. drop me a line, if you need any help.
RB
Little do you know that I'll ask you to return the favor by showing me how to use said crimper and let me perhaps borrow it.......
I think it is holiday induced stupor over there at Online Components that is causing the problem.
Quote from: angler on December 18, 2009, 12:45:41 PM
Little do you know that I'll ask you to return the favor by showing me how to use said crimper and let me perhaps borrow it.......
sure thing!
I spent some time on the phone with Online Components to try and sort everything out. I think they have all but shut down for the holidays already. Hopefully I'll get the order completely filled during the holidays sometime?????
Don't order anything from online components [bang] [bang] [bang] They can't seem to keep the order straight. Tonight makes the 4th time I've spoken to them on the phone.
I'm still 3 parts short after 4 deliveries! I'm still missing the 3 position male fittings, 5 position boots, and the 4 position boots. The 4 position boots are on permanent b/o and we won't likely ever see those. Hopefully they will ship the other parts soon.
Hey RB (or anyone really),
Which crimper did you get? I can't find anything for a crimper by searching "superseal", but if I search AMP crimper I get about 1000 different aviation crimp tools.
Any idea if any of those are correct, or which one might work? I've tried calling online components (no help), and tyco themselves (no help)
this is what i bought
http://cgi.ebay.com/Crimpzange-fuer-offene-Kabelschuhe-AMP-Superseal_W0QQitemZ320464060521QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpezielle_Werkzeuge?hash=item4a9d258069 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Crimpzange-fuer-offene-Kabelschuhe-AMP-Superseal_W0QQitemZ320464060521QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpezielle_Werkzeuge?hash=item4a9d258069)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/09/%21BMgzOSQB2k%7E$%28KGrHgoOKj%21EjlLm,WqpBJk1SquWJQ%7E%7E_12.JPG)
755262-1, this is the part number for the very expensive Amp Crimper that has been superseded and the link doesn't show the new part number.
hope that helps
Thanks! BIN clicked, now waiting for the total. I've needed a good pair of crimpers for awhile now [thumbsup]