Ducati Monster Forum

Any of this "speedymotoberonizoma" billet, bolt on, bling bothering any of you purists?  Is there a difference anymore between a "mod" and an "ohh that's pretty"?  Should we have seperate board sub-forums for those who actually modify their bikes and those who just figured out righty-tighty, lefty-loosey and how to use two sided tape? 

seems like alot of the "actual" mods (suspension, performance)  fall into the tech section.

I just want a sticky of the full specs of various bikes.  Im talking everything from fork diamaters and offsets to frame tubing diamaters. I likes me some frankenbikes.

1) Go hang out on the "Tech" forum.
2) Learn how to spell "separate."   [cheeky]

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Uh....this sub forum is:

"Accessories & Mods
Bits you add on or take off your moto"

I would think that all of the bolt on items qualify.   [cheeky]

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I know that, when I got my Monster, it was scary to start thinking of modifying it. The support and suggestions I got was encouraging - even though bolt ons was what I was doing. To me, it was welcoming that I could hang in the section where guys were discussing "real" mods - it made me feel cool ;)

After a few k miles on the bike I started to understand what "real" mods could do to the bike and my riding experience/skills.

I think it's a good idea to mix Rizoma and the welders. We're all Ducatistis and everyone starts out where they start out - to some it's a bling piece, others have the welding machine lined up when they take home a brand new bike. It's great either way and we all need to talk to people who understand and accept the addiction.

What? "Alot" and "diamaters" didn't bother you?

bolt-on bling is an 'accessory,' right? and any change from the stock form would be a 'mod,' right?

so this is the board for it.


who cares if some of us don't do fab?    8)  I'm not about to piss in anyone's cheerios because they bought rearsets instead of making them  [roll]

Sheesh... didn't mean to stir it up so much.  I like the tech section and obtain and share most of my information there.  Just wondering if accessories and mods still belong in the same subtopic, that's all.  I love the DMF just fine.  There are so many bolt on blingy parts for our bikes now though, that I wonder if it might be time for them to have their own category.  Heck... I think that some of the "pretty bolt on bits" look sharp.  I just don't like sorting through all of them to find the threads that show some real ingenuity.

What happens when ingenuity is pretty? Performance enhancing even?

... I was wondering if this topic was intended to go the route of, say.. "Billet Proof" shows, and the whole rat-rod scene. Was that what you had in mind? I'm just curious.

I love tinkering with my bike... mostly 'cuz i'm learning more as i go and it creates more interest in my bikes ( I wanna know how it works and how to fix it- not that im gonna stop going to my mechanic any time soon). Some mods are a snap and not intimidating but others are. I think everyone gets something out of it, however slight or major.

So i take it you dont like billet stuff or off the counter bolt-on bits. I LOVE one-off goodies (Celli's Monster is KICK-ASS)..... if that's what your doing, i'd love to see some pics [thumbsup]

Well, I certainly have more than my share of over-priced aftermarket eye candy, but I still dig the rat bike look:

(http://jdude.brinkster.net/extras/blackcat3.jpg)

(http://jdude.brinkster.net/extras/blackcat2.jpg)

you mean "bolt-on" parts actually just bolt on??????

Not a huge fan of the billet more carbon crazy.
In my opinion it comes down to your personal preference, bank roll, and time/ability.
Mine was to send the bike to Mark at MotoCreations.

Nice seat on the Rat bike

No

Just to be clear, you're complaining (kinda loudly) that you have to actually read a bunch of threads to sort out the threads you like (fab work) and the ones you don't (bolt on parts)

Forgive us if we don't all rush to meet your personal demands all at once [laugh]

Seriously, we could split it into two boards, but hmmm, what's the right way to sum up that idea?

Oh yeah, "that's a bad idea."

Even bikes with tons of machine and fab work (like say... mine) still have their share of bolt on parts. And sometimes people use bolt-on parts as a starting place for more custom work.

Long story short: Folks interested in one are inevitably interested in the other. To differing degrees to be sure, but not so much that we need a separate section.

And yes, you have to search sometimes for real ingenuity. But, well it's the internet. That's why it has search buttons.

^^ nice avatar.  ;D

No demands, just a question.  I like some bolt on stuff.  It looks good.  Just think there might be enough of it to have it's own section.  Now I feel like such a rabble rouser.  Ideas are ideas.  Opinions of those ideas... well we all have opinions.   ;D

I think there should be a separate board for yellow bikes.  I don't like yellow, and I hate having to wade through pictures of yellow bikes to get to those with proper color schemes.

Good Lord.  Irritability level elevated.   Why is everyone so pissy today. 

-back on topic-

The topics need to be together.  If they were not, I would never visit the "modification" page, thus never read a topic that sounds easy but quickly gets over my head and leaves my bike scattered across the garage while I am scrounging to find help.  Where's the fun in that?

If you don't like to read the bolt on threads, just stay away from the titles like, "Should I try a 14t front sprocket" or "Check out my new bar end mirrors".   ;D

 [clap] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [clap]

"your vision is right, my vision is wrong - I'm sorry for smudging the air with my song..............."

Here is my probelm.  The original poster is only talkin about fab work vs. bolt-ons as to what really qualifies a custom bike.  For me there is more to it than that.  I have seen some incredible fab work done on bikes and yet the bikes look like crap.  I have also seen some bikes with tons of bolt ons that look like crap.  I have also seen the reverse of these. 

Whether it is bolt-on parts or fab work there has to be a vision behind it or it will not all flow together.  This is probably the hardest part for me as I am not very artistic but there are guys on this board who use bolt-ons and can make a very unique bike (and beautiful) with these "cookie-cutter" parts.  There are also ones who can do the same with actual fab work. 

Dont knock the bikes because of how they got there.  In most cases of the extremely modified (bolt-on or fabbed) I could never have gotten to the point where most of the owners got to because I just don't have the visionary ability.

I bought this yesterday
(http://supertjeduc.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p154488216-5.jpg)
TIG welder (kemppi mastertig 1500s)
So now  i can get serious  [evil] [evil]

It really always does come back to the yellow, huh?

Y'all are just jealous that yellow is faster.

"Yellow" is an incredibly odd-looking word, isn't it? Great, now I've got that stuck in my head.

How about a "fabrication" sub-forum?  Again... just an idea.  As the DMF grows and the talents of its members grow, is there a need or desire for such a thing.

<As for the personal jabs... They say more about the person in which they were once stored than the one over which they are now poured.> 

that's not what I got out of it at all... OP was asking about a fab-only board

I think it's a 'vision'/ personal taste thing. Each of us has a 'vision' of what the perfect bike would be. Mine is different from yours, is different from......and so on and so forth. Some have the talents and resources to get very very close to their vision of a perfect bike. Others are more practical, they see billet bits that aren't exactly what they head in mind but when you take $$$ in to account close enough. At various times in the past I've had access to CNC machinery that I could use on weekends when they were idle. Right now our local communty college has a machine shop course ( I've had my journeymen card since the early 80's ) , were else can you 'rent' a machine shop for $300 a semester. Everyone can always dig out the yellow pages and find a job shop that will fab anything you want for a price $$$$. The question is how much is my time worth? + How close is close enough?

i'd prefer not to see a lot of chopped up ducati frames where little to no engineering was done to see if the new 'design' can handle the stress from hitting a pothole with the suspension already loaded by a brisk application of the throttle. but people do it, and its interesting to glance at.

there are lots of posts of people asking questions about "where do i get x,y,z bolt on nonsense?" well, these too used to frustrate me, its the internet, use google (or maybe BING!), but then as life got busier, I understood that not all people spend their free time carefully and methodically examining the internet and noting where parts may be had.

bolt on parts don't bother me. stretched swingarms do bother me. see also: ape hangers.

i would also like to see the yellow bikes and related posts moved to a seperate forum. [cheeky]

With the quote you included you showed my point.  He basically said if you bolt it on it is not a mod.  Any deviation from stock is a mod (modification) whether it is fabbed or bolt on.

In this case I would say then that we need separate boards for those who make their own tail chop kit and those who but the kits like the CW tailchop.

The ACC & MODS section fits them all and does a pretty good job describing what can be found there.

Everyone knows there is only one proper color for Italian sports machinery (cars/bikes), and that color is RED. So why not a sub-forum for the deviants that opt to be different. And whats with chrome, thats an American v-twin thing.

I can see the OP's point, but since this is the Accessories & Mods board, it does encompass both bolt-on kits and custom builds.  Since (IMO) it's a grey area between what's a bolt-on mod and a bolt-on that got modified it would be hard to distinguish some of the posts and some would be easy as pie to seperate...

And to address the thread-jack-ary that's arose:  I own a Blue/White Monster, a Green Monster and am building a Green/White SuperSport.  ;D

And I own a no-paint monster. Bare brushed and polished metal are the only true colors, as anything else is just more clothes on a naked bike  ;D

Ahem.

The OP does have a point. I'm wondering if we could / should make different topic icons for bolt-on vs. fab threads vs. question threads. Either that or install one of the tagging mods for the board so people could tag stories themselves.

Food for thought. Personally I like reading all the mod threads, but I can understand if folks are lazy don't want to.

ha.


I don't think that's necessary. Isn't that what the search is for, after all? I see that its not as cut and dry as a user is either browsing or they are looking for something specific. But there are some basic keywords for actual fabrication that a person could run through the search I think, if the original poster of the desired information gives a description.

but red IS faster.

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so...
where would I put this?
the housing and cover were personally machined, but the basket and pressure plate is bolt on!

A lot of the stock parts suck—period—especially if they are damaged. Aftermarket bolt-ons can fix that...

What's more purist: swapping out plastic for metal, or taking a hacksaw to the frame?

 [thumbsup]

One more thing to get in trouble for - not using the correct icon when you post lol

"vs." is short for versus, not ver <space> sus, so there should only be one period at the end of the abbreviation, rather than v.s., if a period is needed at all.

 [coffee]

v.s. versus vs. [bang]


v.s. = vertical scope  [puke]

heh. i thought i'd point that out since i found this thread funny/not-so-useful to begin with.

Enough with the thread jacks  [roll]

Glad someone said that.
I installed a "bolt on" full zard exhaust, and a set of rizoma rearsets at the same time. Together, it required a lot of ingenuity, a bit of cutting, some patience, some custom "bending", and a shit ton of elbow grease.

nothing like throwing on a clutch cover... but i'm sure that sometimes even that doesnt always go so smoothly...

Isn't that exactly what this board is for. When you find something that actually does bolt right on and preforms well, you pass on the info. When you find something that will work.....but, you ask if others have a better solution or if you come up with a better solution, you pass it on.

I come here looking for ideas or if I have an idea maybe there is a better way.

Zactly, I agree +1

This is exactly what i was going to point out, some 'bolt-ons' require some fabbing, even if it is minor it is still fabbing. Now if you are talking about premium fabricators, like Stu, norm, MotoCreations....etc....perhaps they should get their own board/category. Because as far as i am concerned, not many of us on the DMF fit into 'that^^' category...perhaps a showcase.

IMO i think the board category is fine, we all know where to find the info pertaining to a change in the original bike.

.....Mod....please move my post to the Tangerine Monsters only category with the other three deviants that didn't want yellow.