Guess what?
I got two tickets. One for "face shield googles removed" 381-7
"mirror req rt side" 381
so yea. If people believe in karma I'm. Not sure what I'm doing to deserve this.
Quote from: He Man on September 08, 2009, 09:17:38 AM
Guess what?
I got two tickets. One for "face shield googles removed" 381-7
"mirror req rt side" 381
so yea. If people believe in karma I'm. Not sure what I'm doing to deserve this.
I'm not even gonna say it again. He'll, i'll even buy you the ticket for you to come out for the weekend.
clearly you are sticking out...for whatever reason.
maybe you should get your bike legal
and/or slow down if thats part of the problem.
Quote from: He Man on September 08, 2009, 09:17:38 AM
I got two tickets. One for "face shield googles removed" 381-7
"mirror req rt side" 381
so yea. If people believe in karma I'm. Not sure what I'm doing to deserve this.
Do you wear a full face helmet?? If so, the 381-7 is bullshit and the cop is either a complete moron or is just trying to buff up his quota (AND YES NYPD DO HAVE QUOTA IT HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY TESTIFIED TO)
NY DOT requires a mirror on the right side -- ANYTHING will do. Do you have ANYTHING?
If not, get the smallest possible lanesplitter or something and take a pic, then take it to court.
oh, ps it is "make the beast with two backs with an asian" week, didn't you know?
Use one of these...
(http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00wCIaHynzgRgTM/Metal-Dental-Mirror.jpg)
I'm on my friends phone so I can't really do the research. But I remember reading that nydot doesn't requere two mirrors just the left. What is 381-7 anyway. Oh I didn't post this but he tried to give me a ticket for modified headlights or some shit. He asked where I bought it and I I installed myself. He asked me if I wasmilitary cause I'm used to saying yes sir aye sir.
§ 381. Motorcycle equipment. 1. (a) Every motorcycle, driven upon the
public highways of this state, shall be provided with adequate brakes in
good working order and sufficient to control such motorcycle at all
times, when the same is in use, a suitable and adequate bell, horn or
other device for signaling, one red to amber stop lamp and shall,
whenever such motorcycle is being operated upon the public highways of
the state, display one lighted lamp in front and one on the rear, or,
when such motorcycle is operated with a passenger or other truck
attached to the side or front two such lamps on the front and one on the
rear; and in all cases the lamps on a motorcycle shall include a red
light visible from the rear. The rays of such rear lamp shall shine upon
the number plate carried on the rear of such motorcycle in such manner
as to render the numerals thereon visible for at least fifty feet in the
direction from which the motorcycle is proceeding. The light of the
front lamp or lamps shall be visible at least two hundred feet in the
direction in which the motorcycle is proceeding. Every such motorcycle
shall have a suitable muffler or device to prevent unnecessary noise
from exhaust gases, and the use of so-called "cut-outs" is prohibited.
(b) Driving a motorcycle without the display of one lighted lamp in
front and one on the rear, during a period other than from one-half hour
after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise, shall not be deemed to
constitute negligence or contributory negligence in any action or
proceeding arising out of the operation of such motorcycle.
(c) The provisions of this subdivision relating to the display of one
lighted lamp in front and one on the rear during a period other than
from one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise shall
not apply to a motorcycle, driven at a speed of less than twenty miles
per hour, owned by a municipality and used for the collection of parking
fees or the enforcement of parking regulations.
1-a. Every motorcycle registered in this state and manufactured or
assembled after January first, nineteen hundred seventy-one and
designated as a nineteen hundred seventy-one or subsequent year model
shall be equipped with brakes acting on the front as well as the rear
wheel.
2. No head lamp shall be used upon any motorcycle operated upon the
public highways of the state, unless such lamp is approved by the
commissioner or is equipped with a lens or other device approved by the
commissioner. Every such head lamp, lens or other device shall be
applied and adjusted in accordance with the requirements of the
certificate approving the use thereof. Every such head lamp shall be
firmly and substantially mounted on the motorcycle in such manner as to
allow the lamp to be properly and readily adjusted. Each reflector which
is used as a part of such head lamp shall have a polished silver or
glass reflecting surface, or a reflecting surface which gives candle
power intensity meeting the requirements of rules and regulations
established by the commissioner, and shall be substantially free from
dents, rust and other imperfections. The operator of every motorcycle
shall permit any policeman, police officer or other person exercising
police powers to inspect the equipment of such motorcycle and make such
tests as may be necessary to determine whether the provisions of this
section are being complied with. The commissioner may make reasonable
rules and regulations relative to lights on motorcycles and the approval
of the same which may be necessary to effectuate the foregoing
provisions of this section.
2-a. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate on the public
highways of the state any motorcycle manufactured or assembled after
October first, nineteen hundred sixty-eight and designated as a nineteen
hundred sixty-nine or subsequent year model unless such motorcycle is
equipped with the lamps required by this section, which lamps shall be
of a type, design and construction approved by the commissioner.
3. Except as hereinafter provided, only a white or yellow light shall
be displayed upon a motorcycle so as to be visible from a point directly
in front of the vehicle. Any color light, except blue, may be displayed,
so as to be visible from a point directly in front of the vehicle, on a
police vehicle or on a motorcycle operated by a sheriff or regular
deputy sheriff when engaged in the performance of duty as a police
officer. Any color light, including blue, may be displayed, so as to be
visible from a point directly in front of the vehicle, on a motorcycle
operated by a chief or assistant chief of a fire department, a county or
deputy county fire coordinator, or a county or assistant county fire
marshal. A blue light may be displayed upon a motorcycle, so as to be
visible from a point directly in front of the vehicle, when operated by
an active volunteer member of a fire department or company duly
authorized as hereinafter provided, and while such vehicle is in use for
fire or other emergency service. No volunteer fireman shall be permitted
to display a blue light upon a motorcycle as hereinbefore provided
except while actually enroute to the scene of a fire or other emergency
requiring his services and unless he shall be an active volunteer member
of a fire department or company and shall have been authorized in
writing to so display a blue light by the chief of the fire department
or company of which he is a member, which authorization shall be subject
to revocation at any time by the chief who issued the same, or his
successor in office.
4. Every motorcycle shall have at least one adequate red reflector
securely attached to the rear. Such reflector may be a part of the rear
lamp. No reflector shall be deemed adequate within the meaning of this
subdivision unless it is of a size and type approved by the
commissioner, and unless it is so designed, located and maintained as to
be visible for at least two hundred feet when opposed by a motor vehicle
displaying lawful undimmed headlights at night on an unlighted highway.
The provisions of this subdivision with respect to reflectors shall be
applicable, both day and night, whenever the motorcycle is on a public
highway.
5. No person shall operate on a public highway a motorcycle on which
the handle bars or grips are more than the height of the operator's
shoulders.
6. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate or ride upon a
motorcycle unless he wears a protective helmet of a type which meets the
requirements set forth in section 571.218 of the federal motor vehicle
safety standards as may from time to time be amended. The commissioner
is hereby authorized and directed to adopt regulations for helmets which
are consistent with the requirements as specified in section 571.218 of
the federal motor vehicle safety standards as may from time to time be
amended. The police authorities of a city, town or village may issue a
permit exempting members of organizations sponsoring or conducting
parades or other public exhibitions from the provisions of this
subdivision while such members are participating in such parades or
other public exhibitions.
7. It shall be unlawful, on and after January first, nineteen hundred
sixty-seven, for any person to operate a motorcycle unless he wears
goggles or a face shield of a type approved by the commissioner. The
commissioner is hereby authorized and empowered to adopt and amend
regulations covering types of goggles and face shields and the
specifications therefor and to establish and maintain a list of approved
goggles and face shields which meet the specifications as established
hereunder.
8. It shall be unlawful to operate on any public highway in this state
any motorcycle registered in this state which is equipped with a wind
screen, unless such wind screen meets the specifications established
therefor by the commissioner. The commissioner is hereby authorized to
adopt and amend regulations covering types of wind screens and
specifications therefor.
9. It shall be unlawful to sell, offer for sale or distribute any
goggles or face shields for use by the operators of motorcycles unless
they are of a type and specification approved by the commissioner and
appear on the list of approved devices maintained by the commissioner.
9-a. It shall be unlawful to sell, offer for sale or distribute any
protective helmets for use by the operators or passengers of motorcycles
unless they are consistent with the regulations of the commissioner as
provided in subdivision six of this section and within the requirements
specified in section 571.218 of the federal motor vehicle safety
standards as may from time to time be amended.
10. It shall be unlawful after July first, nineteen hundred
sixty-seven to operate on any public highway in this state any
motorcycle registered in this state, unless such motorcycle is equipped
with a rear view mirror which shall be adjusted so that the operator of
such motorcycle shall have a clear view of the road and condition of
traffic behind such motorcycle.
11. No person shall operate a motorcycle on any highway which is: (1)
not equipped with a muffler to prevent excessive or unusual noise; (2)
equipped with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other
original internal parts have been removed or altered; (3) equipped with
an exhaust device without internal baffles, known as "straight pipes";
or (4) equipped with an exhaust system that has been modified in a
manner that will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of
such vehicle above that emitted by the exhaust system originally
installed on the vehicle.
12. No person shall operate a motorcycle on any highway which is
equipped with an exhaust device that is intentionally designed to allow
for the internal baffling to be fully or partially removed or
interchangeable. This subdivision shall not apply to a motorcycle
manufactured or assembled prior to nineteen hundred seventy-nine or a
motorcycle registered as a limited use vehicle or an all terrain vehicle
pursuant to article forty-eight-A or forty-eight-B of this chapter.
13. A violation of any of the provisions of this section shall be
punishable by a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars or by
imprisonment for not exceeding thirty days, or by both such fine and
imprisonment.
Quote from: He Man on September 08, 2009, 09:51:58 AM
I'm on my friends phone so I can't really do the research. But I remember reading that nydot doesn't requere two mirrors just the left. What is 381-7 anyway. Oh I didn't post this but he tried to give me a ticket for modified headlights or some shit. He asked where I bought it and I I installed myself. He asked me if I wasmilitary cause I'm used to saying yes sir aye sir.
What exactly was on your head and face when you were ticketed?
mitt
I actually got pulled over about 100 yards from my house last week for not having my face shield all the way down. Dude was nice and even thanked me for wearing full gear. Checked my registration ran my license and off I went.
Said he could have given me a ticket even though it was more than halfway down.
If you have sunglasses on and the visor open, is that worth a ticket?
10. It shall be unlawful after July first, nineteen hundred
sixty-seven to operate on any public highway in this state any
motorcycle registered in this state, unless such motorcycle is equipped
with a rear view mirror which shall be adjusted so that the operator of
such motorcycle shall have a clear view of the road and condition of
traffic behind such motorcycle.
Doesn't say 2 rear view mirrors just a mirror
Are your sunglasses rated buy a governing safety body? That's basically what the statute requires...
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 08, 2009, 12:10:52 PM
If you have sunglasses on and the visor open, is that worth a ticket?
yes, unless the glasses are DOT rated
the "list" that the state commissioner maintains has one entry "Any DOT rated goggles or visor"
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 08, 2009, 12:10:52 PM
If you have sunglasses on and the visor open, is that worth a ticket?
No, it was a tinted shield and was at dusk which is why I had it open. As long as you have eye protection your gravy.
Cop didn't mention DOT ratings for eye protection.
12. No person shall operate a motorcycle on any highway which is
equipped with an exhaust device that is intentionally designed to allow
for the internal baffling to be fully or partially removed or
interchangeable. This subdivision shall not apply to a motorcycle
manufactured or assembled prior to nineteen hundred seventy-nine or a
motorcycle registered as a limited use vehicle or an all terrain vehicle
pursuant to article forty-eight-A or forty-eight-B of this chapter.
does this mean ALLL aftermarket exhausts that have a removeable baffle are illegal...
If you dont live in NYC, none of this applies. Its not a federal law.
I had my visor open all the way at the stop light and closed it half way and when he pulled me over, i stopped the bike. took the keys out droped them, got off the bike and put my hands up to chest level to show him i had nothing in my hands until he came over and started release a mouthful of bullshit on me.
To the few people who are leos and say they like courteous people, this cop litteraly said, verbatum...
"You have to have your visor down when you ride" Aye sir
"Your right mirror is missing. Is this a stock headlight, if not ,did you install it?" Stock sir.
"License registration" aye sir
3 mins later, i got 2 tickets.
What about the Highway Patrol that left me sitting in the make the beast with two backsing rain for 30 mins and gave me 2 tickets?
Quote from: herm on September 08, 2009, 09:34:25 AM
clearly you are sticking out...for whatever reason.
maybe you should get your bike legal
and/or slow down if thats part of the problem.
I dont know what i am doing to attract this kind of bullshit. My bike is perfectly legal minus the exahust, which isnt that loud, and ive never gotten a ticket for it. And I dont even get a chance to speed in the city, so thats not the problem either, and if i was, i should get a speeding ticket. not BULLSHIT ticket. Ill accept blame for ANY ticket thats actually my fault (doesnt mean i wont fight it). That includes speeding, lane splitting, or wreckless driving.
It doesnt help that when i went to leave, a dog took a shit on my tire and i had to kick it away otherwise i run over it.
Yea, i dont know wtf i'm doing wrong to anyone, but karma is taking a major shit on me.
Quote from: He Man on September 08, 2009, 09:17:38 AM
I got two tickets. One for "face shield googles removed" 381-7
"mirror req rt side" 381
so yea. If people believe in karma I'm. Not sure what I'm doing to deserve this.
a quick read of the statutes that statler posted shows the second citation is bs. only one mirror is required, and the statute does not specify which side. moreover, if he only put "381" for the statute cite, then it may fail for ambiguity since that doesn't refer to a mirror at all.
which stands its ground? the violation citation or the written discretion?
I was given a ticket stating my bike is black when it was silver. But the judge decided that the color of the motorcycle doesn't matter...
Maybe Karma has something so unbelievably kick ass in store for you that it needs to shit on you as a pre-emptive way of balancing things out. ???
I'd buy a lottery ticket if I were you.
Quote from: alfisti on September 08, 2009, 12:39:16 PM
Maybe Karma has something so unbelievably kick ass in store for you that it needs to shit on you as a pre-emptive way of balancing things out. ???
I'd buy a lottery ticket if I were you.
Karma isnt preemptive...well not that i know of.
Quote from: He Man on September 08, 2009, 12:42:50 PM
Karma isnt preemptive...well not that i know of.
Wishful thinking...
Quote from: alfisti on September 08, 2009, 12:44:13 PM
Wishful thinking...
shouldnt it be the opposite???
The tickets have some minor errors in it.
One ticket states a "VEH. TYPE 1" the other says "VEH.TYPE 3"
The cops hand writing is SO out of wack, he might of been scared to give me these tickets, thats very true if hes just trying to fill is quota. Cause he was IN AND OUT.
from
"http://hdforums.com/forum/the-motorcycle-activist/243189-nyc-check-points-today-a-need-advice.html"
"1) it seems pretty important that the operator of a motorcycle needs to constantly evaluate and re-evaluate how s/he uses his/her equipment, depending on safety, visibility, road conditions, weather, etc. And if NYC effectively causes there to be the ubiquitous closure of shields, its simply unsafe and inconsistent with the law and the purpose of the law."
My visor was up for that momment in time because it was frigging hot.
Anyone been to court for these things?
by hot you mean the humidity fogged the shield and since you were going at a slow speed cracking it open a little bit did not move enough air to defog?
yes
ah...too bad....fogging would be a real safety issue and would mean you realy had to raise the shield to operate the vehicle safely.
;)
what? ;D
even then, its up to the judge to decide whats what? I'm glad that he gave me two tickets because one of them shows how full of shit the cop is, and maybe the judge will realize hes make the beast with two backsing retarded.
dude, ease up. I was giving some lighthearted advice about some possible defenses if you fight it. Lay off the cop bashing, please. Discussing legal issues around a ticket is one thing. trashing officers is the out of bounds stuff for the forum.
Quote from: He Man on September 08, 2009, 12:39:00 PM
which stands its ground? the violation citation or the written discretion?
I was given a ticket stating my bike is black when it was silver. But the judge decided that the color of the motorcycle doesn't matter...
the "mir req rt side 381" is bullshit
if you have one mirror on the left in NY you are fine.
NYC does not have different laws from NYS DOT. sec 381.xx requires ONE mirror and the general interp is that this is for the left side, but the statute doesn't specify.
:-X
d*mn man!!
Quote from: He Man on September 08, 2009, 12:42:50 PM
Karma isnt preemptive...well not that i know of.
Yeah, and it also doesn't apply to this lifetime. You were apparently a bad person in your last life and are paying for it now. On the plus side, the next one might turn out okay. ;)
Seems like you do have some ability to fight it, though, so that's a plus. Hope it goes well for ya.
+1
but then again..........I pregnant dog about Ohio constantly.
But I have a well paying job, wife is in school, employed, and work is paying for it....... so moving is just not an option now..
Derby'ed - to derby something
IZ'ed - taking IZ_ photographs or getting nailed
He Man'ed - to get a buttload of tickets.
Ill do my usual thing and delay the bejesus about of the tickets.
BTW i spent $20 on mega millions today. lol
Quote from: He Man on September 08, 2009, 07:46:13 PM
Derby'ed - to derby something
IZ'ed - taking IZ_ photographs or getting nailed
He Man'ed - to get a buttload of tickets.
Ill do my usual thing and delay the bejesus about of the tickets.
BTW i spent $20 on mega millions today. lol
You're forgetting to Matador: To make it rain incessantly
Why cant you make it rain cocaine. Id bag that shit up like a crackhead and sell sell sell!!!
Quote from: He Man on September 08, 2009, 07:46:13 PM
Derby'ed - to derby something
IZ'ed - taking IZ_ photographs or getting nailed
He Man'ed - to get a buttload of tickets.
You can't make yourself a term on the board. Kinda of like nicknaming yourself.
Some other tool had way more tickets then you anyway.
Quote from: hbliam on September 08, 2009, 09:27:27 PM
You can't make yourself a term on the board. Kinda of like nicknaming yourself.
Some other tool had way more tickets then you anyway.
to ab is the term you're looking for I believe. ;D
Quote from: hbliam on September 08, 2009, 09:27:27 PM
Some other tool had way more tickets then you anyway.
That's not very nice.
^^ It's hilarious though.