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Just some shots of my recent experiences with drivers of the opposite sex.


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I actually do have a scratch on the sticker that shows the maximum weight for my trailer hitch and a small one on my license plate.
The Camry had to be hauled out on a flat bed (air bag deployed, fluids all over the road, bumper, hood, and fenders toast).

All of this happened over the course of two weeks.

didnt IZ already post a WTF about his wifes latest accident?

I know the kickstand being mounted to the aluminum engine cases isn't the greatest idea but did the owner of the 848 do to tear it off?

The woman driving the rented Dodge truck ran it over.  She was driving a rented truck because she totaled her car in an at fault accident two days earlier.

Are you being sexist Bob ?

Dolph       ;D

Women drivers......................................no survivors!  ;D [laugh]

You're lucky to be alive, and I am a sexist pig.

I totally agree! All of my previous girlfriends and my current one (and her sister!) are horrible drivers.

And yeah, that's a sweet bike. I hope she's paying for all of the damage she caused on it.

So why is Insurance historically cheaper for women than men?

http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/Are_Men_Better_Drivers_Than_Women/artid/259 (http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/Are_Men_Better_Drivers_Than_Women/artid/259)

Based upon information provided by consumers in the first half of 2008, Insurance.com reports that 68% of women have no traffic violations versus 64% of men.

Of those reporting violations, 30% of women have 1–3 traffic violations versus 33% of men, and 2% of women have 4+ traffic violations versus 3% of men.

The Official Numbers
According to TrafficSTATS, a risk analysis study by Carnegie Mellon for AAA in 2007, men have a 77% higher risk of dying in an accident compared to women. The study, using information from both the Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) and the National Household Travel Survey estimated fatalities per 100 million trips to be 14.61 for men and 6.53 for women. The total number of fatalities between 1999 and 2005 were 175,094 for men and 82,371 women.

According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), 14,512 male drivers died in 2007 compared to 5,865 female drivers, and even though there tend to be more male drivers on the road than females, the numbers strongly support the TrafficSTATS report.

i happen to be an excellent driver  ;)

there ARE women out there that can handle motorized vehicles.

i wonder...?

women are probably less aggressive drivers (assumption with not data to support)
women also seem to be less attentive drivers (a small amount of personal observation)
i would also speculate that aggressive drivers are more attentive drivers

however, despite being more attentive, aggressive drivers are probably more prone to (serious) accident, while less attentive drivers are more likely to have a lot of "Oops" accidents.

A widely accepted aphorism from my younger days was that women drivers, while not involved in as many accidents as men, caused more accidents. Anecdotal, not empirical, of course.

Men do seem to be more aggressive drivers. My theory is that differences in driving styles in dense traffic can lead to accidents (fast mixed with slow, etc).

Maybe the ins. rate difference is cause when men have an accident, it is a more serious one, due to speed, drinking, or recklessness.

And when women have an accident it is often in a parking lot, or garage, where it is poor judgement or distraction that causes the fender bender.

this would fit my experience in 20 years driving and knowing my wife (garage door frame) / mom (garage door frame) / sister (curb) / mother-in-law (side of house)  :)


mitt

Women drive fewer miles than men on average.

I'll agree that a lot of women aren't interested in cars or in being a good driver.  However, it is the seniors (both sexes) that frighten me!

 [laugh] Maybe I'm not very trusting, but everyone frightens me on the road. The U.S. doesn't do a very good job of teaching people to really drive beyond reading road signs and using the standard accoutrement on a vehicle.

 [popcorn]

<taking notes>

Agreed.  Although it would never happen, I think most drivers would benefit from taking the MSF course and getting their motorcycle license.   

Family Guy - Asian Driver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1hs546NH7A&feature=player_embedded#normal)


 ;D

My own experience points to women as being more inattentive. I think I've been involved in 6 accidents. In all but one of them the woman driving was cited. This includes turning left in front of my Monte Carlo, turning right across the  nose of my mom's Camry, changing lanes on the interstate during a snowstorm into my Passat front bumper, rear ending my S4R at a stoplight, and I don't even remember the others.
But none of em were Korean!
I definitely see a lot more female drivers on the cell phones, sending text messages and generally make the beast with two backsing about.

All car manufacturers need to install cell phone blocking devices that activate if the car is moving more than 5mph.

The San Francisco Municipal Railway finds that their women drivers have a much lower accident rate than the male drivers.

I was just going to say something about the asian drivers. I'm always more careful when driving through China town. They seem to have a whole different philosophy about moving around and it doesn't mesh well with native drivers.

If were going to be discriminate against age and sex, then its only fair if i play the race card. Im an equal opportunists when making fun of people.

-Asian Women should be required to take the same classes as a Secret Service driver.
-Jewish Men should have a memory of them side swiping and kill people implanted so they never try to pass in the most retarded situations.
-Black Women should NOT be allowed to drive SUVs because they DO NOT care what they run over. Even if its a body.

Thats the top 3 for me.

gotta say, my top list for terrible drivers

1) grey hair, wrinkles, cant see over the dash past the steering wheel
2) teens...regardless of plumbing (although the aggressive vs. inattentive applies well to gender in this group)
3) professional drivers (OTR types) who should really just know better.

That's interesting, but not getting a ticket is not the definition of a good driver to me.  I will be god damned if I will am loath to accept the insurance industry's definition either.
But to address some of these points, men rarely get out of tickets for crying.  Case in point: recently, my wife and I got tickets within a day of each other for expired registration.  She also ran a stop sign, and didn't have a recent insurance card on her.

I got pulled over for one of HPDs monthly fundraising efforts, for going the same exact speed as everyone else around me.  I was cited for an array of things, including an infraction called "cracked winshield", which the officer could not be distracted from his fundraiser long enough to explain to me.  My wife was given a warning.  Didn't even have to cry.

Also, for that fatality rate info to be meaningful, we would have to know the circumstances - so, are male drivers killing themselves, does this count include passengers, who was at fault?  I think the intended audience of this study are the actuaries at the insurance companies who then take it, and add a 10% premium to men's insurance policies because they are more likely to die.

I think it would be fairly accurate to say that men tend to be more capable drivers that do stupid things more often, and women may not ever be as comfortable behind a wheel, but also drive like they aren't.

I don't know, I have been a professional racing instructor for several years and from my experience it has been about the same between bad men drivers and bad women drivers.....

Taken From Car-Accidents.com.....

Men are more than twice as likely to die in a car crash than women, consider the yearly statistics shown below. In fact, studies have shown as many as 73 percent of all people killed in car accidents are male. Since record keeping began: male fatalities significantly outweigh female fatalities. However men and women do not drive the same number of miles under the same conditions- men do about 60-65% more driving than women. Studies show that woman take shorter trips and female drivers have a greater number of minor crashes than do men. However men are still 70% more likely to be in a serious crash.

Car Crash Stats:
Persons Killed, by Sex: Male, Female in 2006
Male Drivers Killed    Female Drivers Killed
29,722                      12,747
     
Total Both Sexes: 42,469
173 Drivers Unknown Sex Not Included

What accounts for this disparity?

Some researchers believe the explanation is to be found hormones related to aggessiveness, others put more emphasis on data such as the measurebly greater alcohol use among men while driving.


What scares me is the unknown sex?

Just ask her about it in the morning dude.


Or don't drink so much.

I've known far more men to get into accidents than women.
That must prove that men are more accident prone!
Stupid male drivers....
/sarcasm

So the fatalities break down to 70/30, men/women.  But if men are driving >70% of the time (I am not sure how they are calculating total trips, but 65% of 50% is greater than 70%), then that seems to say women are actually more likely to be in a fatal crash when driving, but they are dying less often (as a percentage of total trips) since they don't drive as often.

As for unknown sex, I hope that is not because they couldn't identify the remains...blech.

I've known more men who were in serious wrecks, even single-vehicle. We're more likely to drive fast/take chances and end up seriously injured or dead.

Most of the women I know have been in at least one minor accident (parking lot speeds, or thereabouts) that they either didn't report, of refuse to admit was their own fault. ("The person backing out of the spot has the right of way, dammit!")

As far as insurance is concerned, I wouldn't trust their numbers without clarifying details. I had a professor in college who got dropped by his insurance company for being too "high risk." He filed 3 claims in the span of 2 calendar years.

1) His wife's car got hit while parked.

2) His daughter's car died on the highway and he used his insurance company's roadside assistance plan.

3) A tree limb fell on his car while it was parked in his driveway.

For filing so many claims in such a short time, he was classified as "high risk" and dropped. He's a tea-totaler with a PhD in accounting. He's not what I would call a "risk taker."

I think insurance companies believe that men (especially through the mid to late 20's or early 30's) are fueled by testosterone and ego and they base statistics and rates on that.  We also see many more male riders than female riders - another place where ego can take over.

Someone needs to add a poll to this thread ;D

Women or Men are worse Drivers
Women or Men are worse Riders

As far me what I have noticed using work as a small case study since I ride with many different people for lunch time runs it seems like if you were not born here your driving skill becomes increasingly worse.

But I do have to admit I have been with more women that there driving scares the shit out of me than men but I cant come to any conclusion with out a larger sampling I would say.

As someone who works in the insurance industry, I can tell you there is a lot of crap that makes no sense.  Especially now that that some companies have started using your credit score as an indication of how good a driver you are.  Some companies are also using risk modeling, which is similarly ridiculous.

when an insurance company refers to high risk, they are talking about the risk of lower profits.
nothing more.

For the sake of this discussion, could we describe (as a gross generality) male drivers as more reckless and females as more careless?

Except for those who've quoted statistics, most of the posts here ae based on our individual experiences and perceptions.

In my experience, btw, women riders seem as capable as men. There are less distractions when you're on a bike and a greater imperative to focus.

Just my opinion...

The bike is not mine but I was riding it.  I parked it and when I came back it was lying on its side.  Two witnesses came over and gave me a description of the driver, her plate number, and their contact info.  One of the witnesses said he was almost run over as she tried to flee the scene.  I called the cops and waited.  About a half hour later this girl approached me and said "I'm sorry.  I came back.  Do you want my information?".  I told her to give it to the police who would be there momentarily.  She started crying and said "But I didn't do it."  I said "You are sorry, you returned to the scene, you want to pay for the bike, but you didn't do it?  Well, you did do it and I have witnesses that saw you do it."  The police arrived and took a statement and told me she would like to settle it without insurance.  I called her with the estimate from the motorcycle shop (just under $8000) and she asked me to call her husband.  I called him six times over three days and he kept ducking my calls.  So, I went through her insurance.  She ended up fighting it and USAA insurance told me that they would side with her over my witnesses.  But, they were waiting for a phone call from the officer at the scene before they determine liability.  The following week USAA called me to say that they were going to pay for the damage.

Most of the cost is in replacing the engine cases.  They only come as a matched set from Ducati for the low price of $2800 and EVERYTHING (frame, swingarm, cylinders, side covers, clutch, alternator, etc.) needs to be removed to replace them.

I would say that that fits with my experience as well.

I think that, if anything, female moto riders are probably significantly safer riders than men. Given the same riding skill level, I perceive men as being much more likely to do something really stupid.

easy.

when you and the woman hop in the car to go somewhere, who drives?

women drive less, so they receive fewer tickets.

if it was examined as miles driven per ticket received, between the genders, I bet women would get fewer miles per ticket.

horrible joke time:

why couldn't hellen keller drive?





because she was a woman!!!

sorry in advance,.

I always thought it was because she was a raging communist.

I get driven around my my co-workers a lot, either for lunch or because I'm traveling for work.

If I had to make any kind of generalization it would be that engineers tend to make better drivers and scientists tend to make worse drivers.

The worst of them is a guy, he gets very distracted while driving and routinely stops across railroad tracks while waiting for a light, and thinks nothing of peeling out into a lane without checking for traffic.   My former boss once ran a red light at a major intersection while a few of us were in the car, and didn't even realize he had done it as he was too busy chatting.  I really try to avoid being in a car with either one of them.

The times I have been in accidents in my car:
- rear-ended, driver was 30-something male, we were merging into traffic and he was watching the traffic instead of what was in front of him
- rear-ended, driver was 16yo male on his way to school with his girlfriend in the car, I had been sitting at a light for a little while
- front-ended, driver was elderly male, didn't want to be in the Fastrak lane for the tollbooth on the bridge, didn't look behind him or listen to my honking when he decided to back up, luckily no damage
- rear-ended, driver was 50-something male, he passed out due to medication and ran into me, I had been sitting at a light for a little while
- rear-ended, driver was 40-something female, reading a newspaper while driving in stop and go traffic (I saw her reading in my mirror but we were on a ramp so there was nowhere I could go).

Fortunately both MrI and I consider each other to be a good driver, I think bad driving would have been a deal-breaker for either one of us.  He trusts me enough to sleep like a baby while I flog it through the twisties. ;) ;D

ever notice how women never think they are bad drivers?

FIFY

Most people "think" they are good drivers.

rofl

thanks

I'm a bad driver and admit it freely. ;D

Not that I know this for a fact but it seems to me here in DFW/TX that more women text while driving than men. Not that men don't do it but my personal observation is that a majority of women text and talk on cell phones more than men while driving. It irritates the s#@t out me because in my world driving should be your number one concern. Driving is not a secondary activity!

I guess it really doesn't matter to me what the gender is... get off the damn phone while driving!! I refuse to even answer my phone while driving or even make a call. No phone call is that damn important! I have even been called a freak for not using my phone while driving. My response is I'd rather be a freak to you than someone who just ran a stop sign, crashed my car and killed a young mother and her two kids while I was talking to your sorry ass on my cell phone! >:( It needs to be a law in every state that you cannot talk or text while driving. It's no different than driving while drunk... they are both major distractions!

How often do you hear of accident where a man was combing his hair, painting his nails, putting makeup on his face... Okay other than the SF Bay Area that is  ;D

yeah,...
pretty amazing that there is so much resistance to this.

Iz.... all the time, he just blames it on the wife

I've seen a guy driving while shaving.  With a straight razor. :o

Maybe he will cut his jugular vein so we don't need to worry about him anymore  ;)

[poke]Wwwwaaaaaaaaaaiiittt a minute. .

Didn't you just recently go to court and talk yourself out of a ticket/got a reduction?[/poke]

IT's very simple.

Women drive less than men and when in the car with their husband, most men drive.

moreover, ticket information is skewed because more women get out of tickets.  my wife has been pulled over 3 times for speeding and gotten off "with a warning" from a friendly cop.  i got pulled over once in the last 5 years going 42 in a 35 (wtf?) and got a ticket, and he did the whole walkaround to make sure there wasn't anything else he could nail me for.  (ticket was dismissed)

My thoughts exactly.  Also at play may be a higher level of confidence behind the wheel on the part of more men, where as women GENERALLY SPEAKING (my wife and a few of my female friends EXCLUDED) are less confident about operating a vehicle.  Driving style reflects confidence and dictates the likelyhood that a driver will find themselves in certain situations.  So more confident drivers will likely be more aggressive in certain traffic situations, which, given the laws of probability, will mean more eventual accidents.  In other words, let's not confuse confidence with lack of control.  I believe the really bad female drivers TEND to get into trouble due to a lack of control, where as the really bad male drivers get into trouble due to poor judgement.

Perhaps you notice the women because you're checking them out to see if they are hot?

 ^ Agree

Maybe the thread should be changed to "I don't ever want to get laid again"

Exhibit A:

Dusty gave me this to pass on...She's funny like that.

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd164/dustykitska/image003.jpg)

Myself:  I would text, shave, have sex or talk on the phone while driving... but I can't multi task. [roll]

Just kidding...except for the sex part  ;D

 [popcorn]


Women Drivers Compilation ( (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wT7zM8XgXQ#normal)

I have nothing to say concerning men vs. women drivers.

Because some of it has already been said, and I refuse to clarify which statements I'm referring to. ;)

As for Asians... living in Korea taught me that some stereotypes have a basis in reality. Holy crap! I got in a cab, and he proceeded to lay on the horn and make a left turn from the far right hand lane across about eight lanes.

Strangely, I only saw two or three accidents during my year there. I guess when everybody drives like a make the beast with two backstard you just learn to watch out for it. There were motorcycles on the sidewalks, too. [roll]

Austin Powers - Three Point Turn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLKR9tCiwvA#normal)

kopfjäger!!!

love it!

silentopinionatedbob

 [roll]

poke all you want, but it was my first speeding ticket,
and i've never been in an accident
or caused one  ;)

Mom and Dad, God rest there Souls.

Dad drove from the time he was 14 up until about 3 months before he died and he was a pretty good driver over that time frame as best I know.

I don't believe he ever wrecked a car and in the 52 years that I was with him he got only 1 traffic ticket and that was on a Holiday weekend when we were on our way home late at night on a lonely stretch of road , a  [leo] pulled us over and said Dad was going over the speed limit.

Mom on the other hand always scared me when she was driving because she didn't act like she really was in control of the car.

Mom had several incidents where she backed into things or skinned the paint off the side of the car but she always drove like she was in a hurry. Like her mind was always on something other than driving.

My Dad would never let Mom drive if we went on a vacation somewhere and we drove. Even if Dad had been driving for 8 hours and we only had 2 hours to go .

Never did Mom drive when Dad was in the car.I saw it once and I thought it was going to end in divorce, never after that.

I've always trusted girlfriends to drive but I never felt comfortable being in a car when my Mom was behind the wheel.

Dolph      :)

Hey I just posted pictures of the aftermath of the three women who drove into the side of my office, ran over my motorcycle, and crashed into the back of my Hummer, in a span of two weeks. 


I didn't offer opinion or start a rant.  The thread took on a life of its own.  Besides any woman who belongs to a Ducati forum is bound to be a great driver.

If it wasn't for bad luck...........

Sorry to hear about all the misfortune that has befallen you Bob.

Hope your Karma changes pretty quick.

I don't know if I'd get out of bed in the morning .

I think they are out to get you .

Any of them EX s ?

Dolph        [evil]

my heart sank when i saw this... that could very possibly be my bike one day. i pray that it wont be but i have horrible luck.
but on a side note... how much you want for your exhaust?

About 8 years ago, I was driving on the NJ Turnpike.. Minding my own business..  traffic was light and I was going about 70.

There was a minivan about 5-6 car lengths ahead of me in the middle lane, I was in the left lane.

All of a sudden, minivan -- going about 65-70 -- decides to make a 90 deg left turn, or whatever approximation a minivan could do.

I slam on my brakes, but my poor 740 couldn't do it.  The minivan slams into the middle barrier -- straight on -- sitting completely perpendicular to the roadway and I impact at about 40-45 mph. Not horrible.

After eating the airbag, I get out to make sure the driver didn't have a heart attack.  Why else would a car make a left 90 deg turn on the turnpike???

Nope.

Just a stupid girl, still talking on her cel phone.

It's not for sale.  The bike is getting fixed. 

what if it got ran over again? Would you consider it badluck and sell it for cheap?



i dont drive for the simple fact that i dont have a car, but i have my licnese and know how to drive and feel comfortable driving, jsut not in the city...so what i say, might just sound pretty stupid.

but a 90 degree left turn at 65mph...ins that a whole freaking turns of the steering wheel? how the make the beast with two backs do you pull that off?

that video brought back memories.  A friend's girlfriend came over to our apt, and there was a full car width between a parked car and our grill, which was beside our apt building.  She tried to navigate into the spot, and ended up pinching the grill against the building, but instead of stopping, she punched it and scrapped every panel on the passenger side of her car.

 [laugh]

 mitt

One time I was trying to parallel park in a tight left-side spot (one-way street) in San Francisco.

My boyfriend at the time, who was from the UK, told me he'd park the car for me.  I figured he was used to parking on that side, so why not. 

I got out of the car and stood there watching him park.   When he finished, I told him that if I knew he was going to "park by feel" I would have just done it myself. [roll]

He was flabbergasted, had no idea he hit bumpers several times. [laugh]

Not this one.  I have 260k+ on my '99 Cherokee. Bought it with 3k on it in '01.    ;D

One of my best driving moments was with an OEM car we had for product development.  Saab 9-3 turbo convertible we were contenting.  Was with two very polished (that night) girlfriends.  We took it to a neighboring resort town on Lake Michigan, found a spot on the main street, prime spot, perfect parallel parking within a matter of 2 seconds with a half dozen husbands/fathers of 3+ licking their dripping ice cream cones while their wives shopped for knicknacks and the ankle biters fought over who-knows-what.

Touch a button, the 9-3 top becomes erect goes up in another 2 seconds, we stroll away and their ice cream is MELTING on the sidewalk.....


 [evil]

Dammit Herb!  No, I didn't and don't jinx it!!

she said that she was cut off and made an emergency "turn" and oversteered.

I was behind her.  Paying attention.  She must have been cut off by a fly or a cicada.

It's too bad, she was cute, but I am partial to desi chicks.  I was furious.  My 740 was totaled, which I am sure her insurance company wasn't happy about.  it was only 2 years old and still under warranty.  i didn't drive THAT much, I think I had 9k miles on it. 

i see shitty drivers of all races and genders.

i tend to judge more by what state the plate is from than anything around my area.

NJ drivers suck, CT drivers can't figure out what the hell they want to do, what lane they should be in, or what speed they want to go. NYC drivers are just plain aggressive and rude. PA drivers tend to be indignant about their mistakes.


on the gender based thing, i get cut off by more women, and forced over by more men.

and i HAVE to sleep when kathy is driving. i refuse to talk to her because she keeps making dumb mistakes because she isn't paying attn. she realizes she's an awful driver, hates driving, and refuses to do anything about it. i offer to drive allt he time, but she says no. ???

dont forget canadian drivers...
i cringe whenever i see quebec plates near me on the road.

how do you know they are NYC drivers and not Albany/upstaters passing thru?  There is onthing on the plate to indicate county/city....

It's not just you...

They usually show up in rear view out of no where too!!

They think the I-89 in VT is their personal autobahn between Montreal and Boston.  

WA drivers are the worst. Here's an example:

http://www.werealotlikeyou.com/ (http://www.werealotlikeyou.com/)

Lick on Northwest Profile #4...then "Watch TV Ad". Completely true!  [laugh]

Actually, pretty much all of their ads are true.  [laugh]

because it was you!  [cheeky]


ok, it was a generalization within a generalization.

i guess just because they are in the northern NJ, NYC, southern CT area and have NY plates, they aren't neccesarily from NYC.

Women drivers have lower insurance rates than men because a women has never got a BJ while driving
 [laugh]

I was rear-ended at a stoplight while on the bike.
and then heard the engine rev, and got hit again (harder)
she said when she realized she had hit me she panicked and hit the gas pedal instead of the brake.  [bang]
lucky i wasnt killed

my wife is a safer rider and driver than i am. she takes fewer risks
but she is terrified to drive in the snow/ice and i always have to drive skiing and whatnot.

Living in the north east for just over a year now, I have to agree...

It's even worse when the plates are on a Semi.  Find someplace else to be when you run into them on 93/495 & such...

 

Easy, just look at the bumpers.

now see, if KnightofNi had said that I would have folded...

only a true new yorker knows that

if you have a car in NYC that has clean bumpers, it's either a brand new car or a tourist.

Not if you have one of these!

http://www.bumperbully.com/ (http://www.bumperbully.com/)

That being said, I have never and will never drive the F150 there. Where the hell would I park it?

i drove my truck down there last fall, had no trouble parking (which was a bit of a surprise)
and to be fair, it was brooklyn, not NYC

i have the bumper badger and still managed to get the corners mangled up from assmake the beast with two backss who can't park. 

yeah you might as well compare Bangor and Manhattan.  Totally different.  Not many high rises in Brooklyn.

I was flagging traffic for 5 hours day, and did a little study.

Several times during the day a vehicle failed to follow the simple instructions that I was giving them. Either STOP on one side, or SLOW on the other. The failure to stop was the big error, resulting in a few near head on collisions.

For reference, the instruction was givin by a 6'5" white male wearing blue jeans, white shirt, and a very yellow reflective vest on -- in the mist of several large trucks blocking the road w/ strobes on. I had a big sign, on it, about the size of a normal stop sign it was red, and read "STOP".

11 people failed to stop.
3 eldery women.
1 eldery man.
1 male.
6 women.

2 of the women were applying make up.
3 were on their cellphone.
1 was just in her own little world.


so chew the results how you want..

and the 1 male was staring at the honkers on the girl sitting in the passenger seat...

not going to lie. If it wasnt for brembos, id have bent rim and fork bender by running my bike into the rear of a van once cause i was doing that. Girls jogging with some BATs. ;D

Brooklyn is a borough of NYC.


When I lived in Brooklyn people would say they were going to the city when they went to Manhattan and say they were going to Long Island when they drove to Nassau county.  I actually had to show life long residents of NYC a map to prove that Brooklyn and Queens were part of Long Island and that Brooklyn was in fact part of "the city".

Now I argue with the pizza guys in San Diego who ask me if I want cheese on my pizza.
The menu reads:
1. pizza
2. pepperoni pizza
3. supreme pizza

"give me a pizza"
"what kind?"
"plain"
"do you want cheese?"
"do you sell pizza here without cheese?"
"no"
"then why do you ask me if I want cheese?"
"I need to know what you want on your pizza"
"ok, give me a flour, water, yeast, tomato, and cheese pizza and don't spit on it"

Were you born and raised in NYC?

Everyone here refers to Manhattan as "the city"

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]


i miss being able to say "give me a slice" and they just know it's a piece of pizza and not something else.

i was in san diego and had a similar situation -- "give me a slice" and the guy says "of what?"

the spirit of Andrew "Dice" Clay took over and I think I said something like "wunna dem tings youse got right dere, and no fromunda cheese onnit"

oh parking and driving in nyc isn't that bad.
i once drove a f-350 dulley w/ a 40' car trailer in time square and the tunnel..

cops weren't happy w/ that choice..

Doooood.

Driving in Manhattan is AWESOME!

There are SOOOOOOOOOOO many ways to die.

Sewer gas explosion while you're stopped on top of a man-hole: DEAD!

Scaffolding collapses on your car: DEAD!

Fung Wa bus catches on fire and barrels into you: DEAD!

Suicidal day trader hurls himself off of the 35th floor and lands on your car: BOTH DEAD!

It's a gamble. Every. Time.

Don't you just LOVE the Fung Wa buses? [bang]

Lived on 43rd & 10th on the 44th floor for 2 yrs:  Still feel dead.  ;D

the sewer explosions don't happen much anymore, except in brooklyn..  there is a lot more shit in brooklyn

scaffolding only seems to kill old folks and union guys (who reappear as alive after family's been paid death benes)

no suicidal traders.. well, one jumped out of hte roosevelt hotel when i was walking to work one day, but that was on madison ave at 45th.. and he hit the pavement..

Fung Wa buses... well... make the beast with two backs them.. make the beast with two backs all of them...

Guess which Gender didnt know how to use the merge lane today and decided to push me to the shoulder of the road  ;)

metrosexual...?

http://cbs5.com/watercooler/950.drivers.exam.2.1295881.html (http://cbs5.com/watercooler/950.drivers.exam.2.1295881.html)

Woman Passes Driver's Test On 950th Try

i see the same thing in philly.
then again i see alof of NJ plates (that are all bashed up) on cars with messed up bumpers. not all of them are from north jersey. this i know because i am in southern NJ mostly.


i also drove into and parked in manhattan (chinatown most often) in an F150 long bed with an extended cab and didn't get any bumper scrapes or fenders dings.

the only time i had an issue was in williamsburg trying to move into my new apt. jackhole parked me in as i was unloading my mattress and bed pieces out of the tailgate.  [laugh]


also, i dont' want to be a true new yorker. i lived there long enough to learn my way around and to realize that i only want to visit.


i only saw scaffolding fall once. though i did see several windows break out of high rises as i was riding beneath them. (bicycle)

i tried to avoid anything that had asian writing on the side of it.

You'd think that she would have seen every possible question on the test and memorized by that point!

I'm sorry, if it takes you that many times to pass it and you still only get the MINIMUM score, maybe it's a sign...

Don't be sorry .... that is well beyond a sign. Any person in that situation shouldn't be allowed to walk near a road let alone drive on one. If you don't have the mental aptitude to score 60% on a simple (assumed) exam during 949 attempts what chance do you have of driving without causing havoc (read: killing people).

Here's another bad one:

Woman caused 2 fatal accidents at the same intersection...7 years apart.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,1,26266665-948,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,1,26266665-948,00.html)

Hey! I remember that story back when it was her 900th try! Daaang! Kinda makes me curious how her actual behind the wheel skills are. Paper and asphalt are two totally different things.

I recently saw a story on the news that said scientist think that poor driving is genetic.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/health/your_health&id=7090031 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/health/your_health&id=7090031)
Doesn't say anything about sex though.

Bad sex might be genetic too...

That could explain why traffic moves so slow.

I gotta good one :D
My wife, bless her the beautiful thing she is decided a number of years ago to clean out the
Explorer. She vacuumed it out and cleaned it all out etc. Well she decided she would pull the
car forward a little so she could reach the back of the car with the vacuum.
Instead of getting in, she thought she would just start it up and put it in gear and roll it forward.
So she does this. She goes to press the brake pedel and realizes that at 9 months PREGNANT
her belly is in the way and can't press the brake pedel. So the car rolls forward another 10 feet
into the stairs and railing of the deck. Crunch. No one got hurt except for the deck.  [laugh] [bang]
I still tease her about that. To be honest she's had one speeding ticket and never wrecked anything.
I one the other hand, well we just won't go there. ;)

so as i came out for my lunch break, and start walking towards my bike this is what i see...
(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq261/hades300zx/busted2.jpg)

(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq261/hades300zx/busted4.jpg)

apparently someone backed into my bike in a bad attempt to parrallel park.
i pray that the forks and frame are still straight and not bent in anyway

(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq261/hades300zx/busted6.jpg)

notice how far they pushed the bike backwards before they stopped and of corse the kickstand bent and cracked the oilpan.

(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq261/hades300zx/busted5.jpg)

well i guess i should be thankfull that the bike didnt fall completly over. but the worst part is that whoever did hit me just fricken left with out saying anything so i am stuck paying the deductable... bastards !!!


well at least the towtruck driver was nice and new what he was doing.

(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq261/hades300zx/BUSTED8.jpg)

Oh, dude, that's just not right.  :'(

Dude, cracked engine case is big time work, that sucks.  It will be a big bill to fix right.

mitt

i swear to god, seeing shit like that pisses me off so much. ive been a victim of bump and run over 4 times in the past year alone.

the last guy someone got the plate number and i made out with a few grand.

If i installed a camera on my bike that took videos of it parked in low quality to my left and right. id be rich right now sueing them in court.

FIFY [cheeky]

wheres the angry face smiley oh wait htere it is  >:(

no like you!!!!

my wife is such a bad driver I've been considering sending her to a  $1,000 driving school.

If we're anywhere she's never been, she drives dangerously slow.  Highway interchanges, she's afraid she's going to fly off at 15mph.  White knuckles the steering wheel most of the time, oblivious to pretty much everything.  

It's weird she was fine when we started dating and then all of a sudden one day something snapped and now she drives like a grandmother.

mine is just the opposite.  when we met, she drove carefully and deliberately -- not slow, but always the speed limit.  now she drives like a 16 yo boy with a shitty attitude.  speeds all the time, cuts people off, refuses to let mergers into traffic (speeds up), the whole 9 yards. 

Wow, NEVER park your bike on the street.  Buy an alarm and find a better place to park.  I like to ride everywhere I go, and I plan for extra time to hunt down a place to park that is NEVER on the street.   Your story is unfortunately all to common.

if your going to commute daily, dont bother owning a nice bike. Save the poor 848 and get a beater bike. Sv650, Older monster is quite nice. Thats what my Monster is to me now. S2R1k beater bike.

the worse part is that it was a closed street and only the sub contractors that i was working with are allowed to park anywhere near the vicinity.  for the first 3 days i was parking on the side walk right next to where i was working, but in that day they where painting all the parking lines with a spray gun and the operator told me that unless i wanted school bus yellow overspray all over my bike i really should move it up wind from where they would be working... i should have went with the school bus yellow.  [bang] 

I once parked my bicycle on the sidewalk (locked to a post) and a meter maid backed into it and pancaked the rear wheel. [roll]

So what you're saying is women pick lousy places to park, too?

If it gets too expensive try Marine Tex (http://www.marinetex.com) Used it once to repair a hole in the case about the size of a fifty cent piece on a CR480. It held for two years before it was sold. Don't know how long after that, but two years! gettin on the gas, Jumps, whoops, trips to the car wash, top end rebuild, all that stuff.

<threadjack> My S2R1K isnt a beater bike. But then again its the only bike I own.  ;D </threadjack>

Sorry to hear about the asshat that hit your bike. I was at a party with some friends and a girl mentioned she had hit a car and didnt leave a note.  [bang] After explaining that someone had recently hit my car and left me with a $1200 repair, I informed her that she was a waste of skin. She left the party crying. Hopefully she went to put a note on the car.  ;D I felt bad I made her cry... ok not really.

I was pissed about my car. I dont even want to think about if someone did it to my bike.