I know there was a thread about this before but it has been locked...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM&feature=player_embedded#]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM&feature=player_embedded#
This i s very sad.
I live in the DC metro, and this hit the local news a little while back
For anyone who wants to read up -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystonia)
They don't really know what causes Dystonia, so it's hard to objectively lay the blame on anything.. though yes, it looks like the shot triggered it in her. I'm no vaccination conspiracy theorist.. it just sucks for this poor woman to have to be stuck with this condition
As the report said it just triggered an existing condition she already had, and she is that 1/1000000 that have a bad reaction.
Dont watch this remix.
if you laugh you go to hell for sure.
<link removed by poster>
sorry that was a bit far over the line
one in a million?
shit, you have a better chance having an adverse reaction to a prescription med.
Quote from: JEFF_H on October 22, 2009, 11:43:44 AM
Dont watch this remix.
if you laugh you go to hell for sure.
Walk It Out (Dystonia Remix) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gj5_PFbVo#normal)
Dude, the fact that people would actually make this heart-breaking clip into a music mix video is incomprehensibly insensitive and sick.
Very sad story. Hopefully some effective treatment will someday allow her a more normal life. Actually makes me wonder what her insurance situation is like. Her hubby is probably "locked-in" to his job for life, or fear losing coverage for her. Sucks. :(
Quote from: JEFF_H on October 22, 2009, 11:43:44 AM
Dont watch this remix.
if you laugh you go to hell for sure
That is horrible.
Why would you even further an insult like that?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on October 22, 2009, 11:52:35 AM
one in a million?
shit, you have a better chance having an adverse reaction to a prescription med.
where'd you get that stat?
Fox?
i think she's hot...
Imagine she'd be excellent in bed!
<------ going to hell
you guys are.... :-X
Quote from: cyrus buelton on October 22, 2009, 11:52:35 AM
one in a million?
shit, you have a better chance having an adverse reaction to a prescription med.
Immunizations ARE prescription medications. That's sort of like saying that motorcycles are more dangerous than Ducatis.
Quote from: Mr. Exact on October 22, 2009, 03:52:11 PM
Imagine she'd be excellent in bed!
<------ going to hell
Sad part is.....
I'm glad I was not the only one thinking that :-[
Don't worry about the going to hell part, I'll also be in that same line :)
Not only did I laugh, I shared it with friends.
We're so boned.
I guess its all fun and games unless you know the person or its a loved one or even if its you right ???
Quote from: ROBsS4R on October 22, 2009, 06:45:52 PM
I guess its all fun and games unless you know the person or its a loved one or even if its you right ???
thank you
Quote from: Mr. Exact on October 22, 2009, 03:52:11 PM
Imagine she'd be excellent in bed!
<------ going to hell
see you when you get here
Quote from: ROBsS4R on October 22, 2009, 06:45:52 PM
I guess its all fun and games unless you know the person or its a loved one or even if its you right ???
all fun aside......if i were in her shoes, i would not mind at all if strangers still thought i was hot/interesting/whatever
and im not trying to get out of purgatory by saying that...
Quote from: herm (not herb) on October 22, 2009, 06:52:27 PM
all fun aside......if i were in her shoes, i would not mind at all if strangers still thought i was hot/interesting/whatever
and im not trying to get out of purgatory by saying that...
On an objective level, I find the condition itself fascinating. She's fine when running, walking backward, etc, but trying to move or speak in a normal attitude leaves her at the mercy of her condition. Its almost as if it affects the most commonly used neural pathways, which would have seen the most use during the time frame immediately following her vaccination.
Even if she weren't cute, which she was before and her condition hasn't changed, I'd still find that aspect intriguing.
so,.....you're saying that when she is most active/excited/elevated whatever....
thats when you find her most interesting?
(http://flywithbats.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/what_the_make%20the%20beast%20with%20two%20backs.jpg)
sorry, couldnt resist
Ya'll didnt keep clicking the video links, she is getting worst. Her tougne is now paralyzed but even then she STILL ran an 8k in under an hour despite her condition.
and yea ill see you all in hell. And even if I were in her shoes. I wouldnt be depressed all day. Laugh it off and deal with it. Its the only way to deal with make the beast with two backsed up situations in life that you cant get out of.
Celebs Reach Out to Desiree Jennings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRm6L8xzP6E#normal)
Quote from: ducpainter on October 22, 2009, 03:21:08 PM
where'd you get that stat?
Fox?
Nah, I don't watch Fox.
1/1,000,000 is pretty long shot man.
I am willing to take that risk any day.
this is why i we don't get the shot, we get the mist.
about 1/10th the listed side effects.
i just get the flu and build up my immunity.
haven't die from it yet... and haven't had it in a decade or so...
her condition is terrible, but she is still very attractive, former professional cheerleader.
I wonder if she would be receiving such sympathy and support if such were not the case...
food for thought..
That's about the saddest thing that I've seen in a while.
Just about everyone where I work has gotten their flu shot, but I refuse. The things that are being pushed on people now are out of control. So many things go wrong and taking all of these shots for so called immunizations keeps our bodies from developing their own resistance to virus's.
I can't help but think that in 25-50 yrs people will be very ill due to injections that are skating by the FDA for so called "pandemics"....
either that or it'll be a case of:
(http://hhaka.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/i_am_legend_ver41.jpg)
^^Same here.
Her condition is awful beyond doubt, but how does anybody figure her condition has anything to do with a flu shot?
If she had not taken the flu shot would this still have happened.
We've got cases of polio and whooping cough and on and on coming back because people are subscribing all sorts of disease and autism to inoculations now.
Sorry, I just don't get it.
LA
Quote from: LA on October 23, 2009, 11:35:37 AM
Her condition is awful beyond doubt, but how does anybody figure her condition has anything to do with a flu shot?
If she had not taken the flu shot would this still have happened.
We've got cases of polio and whooping cough and on and on coming back because people are subscribing all sorts of disease and autism to inoculations now.
Sorry, I just don't get it.
LA
From a peripheral perspective is appears that something in the flu-shot served as the catalyst to evoke the Dystonia. The cause of Dystonia is unknown, which makes it really hard to understand how they can say that she was susceptible to it. Either way, there was something in the vaccine that caused her neurological system to go haywire - and even a blind person could see that that's bad. If she had not got the shot, she most likely would never have seen the development of her disorder.
To ellaborate on your comment about vaccines being attributed to new diseases, did you know that there's currently a massive lawsuit against the FDA for the fact that the FDA violated the law in its hasty approval of
four swine flu vaccines by
failing to scientifically determine neither the safety nor efficacy of the vaccines.
According to the lawsuit:
"In many cases the vaccine is being sent to clinics, pharmacies and other health establishments separately from the adjuvant chemical, leaving it up to each local vaccine retailer to properly mix the vaccine with the adjuvant, according to information provided by Turner. With hundreds of millions of Americans potentially being targeted with this vaccine, the potential for improper mixing, improper dosages, and human error is alarming."
I'm not an alarmist, but even this has my attention. Does this help your understanding? It means the FDA has blatantly abandoned medical science and violated its own regulations in approving not only these four vaccines, but the potentially deadly adjuvant chemicals as well. To date, the FDA has produced absolutely no scientific evidence documenting safety tests for any of these swine flu vaccines. There are no published studies, no records of any clinical trials, and no publicly-available paper trail demonstrating that any safety testing was done whatsoever.
I could go on but I think that this opens the door wide enough for some understanding or at least increased awareness.
There's tons of things I could go out and "file a lawsuit" about. Doesn't mean there is any merit to it.
Vaccines have done more good than any other medical advancement EVER.
Quote from: Mr. Exact on October 23, 2009, 12:22:34 PM
There's tons of things I could go out and "file a lawsuit" about. Doesn't mean there is any merit to it.
Vaccines have done more good than any other medical advancement EVER.
+1
Also, lumping the H1N1 vaccine into a group with all other vaccines is a bit over the top. Flu vaccines really aren't that big of a deal from the perspective of should you get one or not. The majority of people who get the flu, even H1N1, do just fine, so the vaccine is voluntary.
Whooping cough, measles, etc. are a whole different animal...and should be vaccinated against.
Quote from: Monster Dave on October 23, 2009, 12:14:56 PM
To ellaborate on your comment about vaccines being attributed to new diseases, did you know that there's currently a massive lawsuit against the FDA for the fact that the FDA violated the law in its hasty approval of four swine flu vaccines by failing to scientifically determine neither the safety nor efficacy of the vaccines.
I could go on but I think that this opens the door wide enough for some understanding or at least increased awareness.
Here's a different perspective for you.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2010113336_swinevaccine22.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2010113336_swinevaccine22.html)
I don't plan on getting the H1N1 vaccine...but I never get flu shots.
Vaccines are necessary - believe me that for some situations, I do agree with that. At the same time, as much as I am willing to acknowledge that there's a necessity for them, you (the reader) must be humble enough to acknowledge that even if vaccines in general have helped that not all of them will do good and that there is a certain amount of accountability that gets overlooked in instances like this when proper procedures aren't followed (referring to the FDA lawsuit).
I certainly don't deny the advances of medicine are sometimes greatest when we fail and learn from trials, but that's the purpose of clinical trials. I know this first hand as I work for a clinical and translational science center. If this lawsuit is in fact valid, many people will be held responsible for any fatalities or late onset reactions caused by the vaccine.
All I'm suggesting is that we look before we leap.
;)
Quote from: Triple J on October 23, 2009, 12:28:48 PM
. . . so the vaccine is voluntary. . .
The government will see to that once they get their single payer system in place. It'll end up being get the flu shot or be fined.
Tin foil hats are fun to play with. :D
When we get the H1N1 in, it is mandatory for military members...
(http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/bestselling-mystery-thriller-2008/715-8.jpg)
cant say a agreed with everything (even most) of whats in the book.....but an interesting read regardless
Quote from: Mr. Exact on October 23, 2009, 02:47:30 PM
When we get the H1N1 in, it is mandatory for military members...
This was caused by the season flu shot not the H1N1 vaccine
I know that, it's mandatory as well. But, some people had brought up the H1N1...
Quote from: Mr. Exact on October 23, 2009, 02:47:30 PM
When we get the H1N1 in, it is mandatory for military members...
Healthcare workers too. It's "get the shot, or lose your job".
Quote from: blac9 on October 23, 2009, 03:56:46 PM
Healthcare workers too. It's "get the shot, or lose your job".
no it's not.
Dude... I couldn't finish that video. :-[
Quote from: cyrus buelton on October 23, 2009, 04:59:41 AM
Nah, I don't watch Fox.
1/1,000,000 is pretty long shot man.
I am willing to take that risk any day.
So where are you getting your numbers?
Quote from: Mr. Exact on October 23, 2009, 12:22:34 PM
There's tons of things I could go out and "file a lawsuit" about. Doesn't mean there is any merit to it.
Vaccines have done more good than any other medical advancement EVER.
Vaccines are destroying our society....
and I'm not talking about Polio, that was eradicated by a vaccine...that was developed over years of trials using stringent trials and the same procedures
I'm talking about a community that is trying to make our society 'sterile via vaccine' for no better reason than the profit of a make the beast with two backsing pharmaceutical company.
All you mothermake the beast with two backslers rag on me about being old...you'll all be lucky to live as long.
I suggest we go back to the immunization schedule I was subjected to...
I had a polio vaccine...and tetanus...I don't think I had any others because I had every single disease that all you people are trying to avoid...
and guess what...?
I didn't die...yet death or some disability by vaccine is acceptable?
I think you should get all of them...
twice.
And don't forget to inject your little girl with the same poison you think is so valuable.
Sorry Chris.
That's how strongly I disagree with your statement.
You are more than welcome to disagree with me. BUT
Being in the business I am, I see that the general populous is at a greater risk that it has been in the past. To diseases that were either not as prevalent or didn't exist when you, or hell, even I was growing up.
Haley is currently up to date on the CDC's recommended immunizations, as is my older daughter, Amanda, and myself...
I had Rubella twice as a kid, got the flu every winter and then again in the spring. I am no worse for it.
I spent over 7 years in a ambulance full time and never have had the flu shot. I got exposed to everything and build up immunity. I had the flu in 1992, but not since.
I keep my tetanus current and that cover whooping cough also.
Quote from: Mr. Exact on October 23, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
You are more than welcome to disagree with me. BUT
Being in the business I am, I see that the general populous is at a greater risk that it has been in the past. To diseases that were either not as prevalent or didn't exist when you, or hell, even I was growing up.
from which diseases? Is it worth the risk of the vaccines? I think not.
measles mumps rubella and chicken pox are no more fatal to the majority of kids than they ever were.
We're being scammed.
I'm going to bow out because there is no way I am going to convince you and vice versa...
Quote from: Mr. Exact on October 23, 2009, 05:58:01 PM
I'm going to bow out because there is no way I am going to convince you and vice versa...
no one has to win. :-\
It's not about winning. Ideally, I want a healthier community. We have different beliefs on what is necessary to get there.
Quote from: Mr. Exact on October 23, 2009, 06:06:04 PM
It's not about winning. Ideally, I want a healthier community. We have different beliefs on what is necessary to get there.
That describes it pretty succinctly.
I'm starting to buy into the connection between flu shots and neurological disorders. My parents, being in their 60's starting getting yearly flu shots. My mother developed ALS (Lou Gerig's disease) and died at 64. I never heard of a possible connection until recently. Maybe it was a fluke thing and maybe it wasn't. I've read articles saying even if the flu shot triggered neurological disorders, the odds of it are obviously very, very small, and the odds of older people getting flu and dying are much much higher so it's worth it. But, I seriously don't know. My mother was in every other way healthy. I think she would have had a good chance against a flu virus. No one has had a chance to recover from ALS.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 23, 2009, 05:32:51 PM
I had a polio vaccine...and tetanus...I don't think I had any others because I had every single disease that all you people are trying to avoid...
I'm guessing you also had the small pox vaccine (I'm too young, barely)...and I agree with you for the most part.
They now immunize children for Hep B and chicken pox. WTF...they try to give Hep B to newborns still in the hospital. Why? When is a friggin' newborn going to be in contact with infected blood or semen. No thanks on that vaccine. I'm 36 and I don't have Hep B, neither does my wife, and neither of us were vaccinated. If our son wants to be a doctor, firefighter, nurse, police officer, etc. then he can get it then.
Chicken pox...give me a break...when I was a kid our parents would send us to whomever's house where someone had chicken pox so we would get it and be done. No one died from it...and now there's a vaccine. [roll] I finally got chicken pox when I was 17 from my girlfriend's 5 year old brother. It was no biggie...missed out on Spring Break that year. :'( No thanks on that vaccine as well.
My son will be born soon...and he won't be getting any vaccine that I didn't get.
This has gotten sort of away from vaccines and to treatment philosophies, so I'll put on my tinfoil hat and hop up on the soap box. We live in a society where health care is a for-profit business, and the profit side is doing very well. The providers know that if we are healthy, they can't sell their products so they market to us so we either think we are unhealthy, or are afraid that we will become unhealthy. They come up with treatments for things we didn't know we had (remember the ad campaign for restless leg syndrome?) or promote recreational drugs as 'treatment' (Viagra?) Our kids are all ADHD, clinically depressed or threatened with 'diseases'. They promote the hugely profitable but senseless use of antibiotics in cattle feed that only guarantees the prevalence of resistant bacteria, which in turn almost guarantees that if you are in the hospital you will come down with a nasty staph infection, that (guess what) requires more treatment. As our health care costs go up, our level of health goes down and it won't stop until we re-think the way we are treated.
Quote from: Triple J on October 23, 2009, 07:54:10 PM
I'm guessing you also had the small pox vaccine (I'm too young, barely)...and I agree with you for the most part.
They now immunize children for Hep B and chicken pox. WTF...they try to give Hep B to newborns still in the hospital. Why? When is a friggin' newborn going to be in contact with infected blood or semen. No thanks on that vaccine. I'm 36 and I don't have Hep B, neither does my wife, and neither of us were vaccinated. If our son wants to be a doctor, firefighter, nurse, police officer, etc. then he can get it then.
Chicken pox...give me a break...when I was a kid our parents would send us to whomever's house where someone had chicken pox so we would get it and be done. No one died from it...and now there's a vaccine. [roll] I finally got chicken pox when I was 17 from my girlfriend's 5 year old brother. It was no biggie...missed out on Spring Break that year. :'( No thanks on that vaccine as well.
My son will be born soon...and he won't be getting any vaccine that I didn't get.
You're right...I did get a small pox vaccine.
Are you going to home school your kids?
They won't get in to most school systems without the schedule recommended by the cdc.
And the infected blood and semen?...why from the very people that are caring for him in his first days of life. IMO it allows them to be sloppy with hygiene.
But do we make sure that health care people wash their hands?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We come up with another vaccine. [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
Quote from: ducpainter on October 24, 2009, 05:04:38 AM
Are you going to home school your kids?
They won't get in to most school systems without the schedule recommended by the cdc.
No, I won't home school. I don't think it will be a problem though as Seattle is pretty liberal. If not, I'll suddenly become very religious! ;)
He'll have the biggies covered, so there really won't be any reason for concern.
<::::: have not gotten a flu shot. do not plan on getting one...ever.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on October 24, 2009, 10:06:21 AM
<::::: have not gotten a flu shot. do not plan on getting one...ever.
same here....and never had the flu.
although if i were ever to work as an EMT or municiple FF, i probably would.
Quote from: angler on October 24, 2009, 09:58:20 AM
I've avoided chiming in here because I got warned last time I brought up the nanny state. We live in a nanny state completely obsessed with safety at all costs. People are chicken shit morons that can be sold just about anything in the name of safety. People that give up liberty for safety don't deserve either (bastardizing Ben, but likely wasn't his quote anyway) - a bit off topic, but not far.
I known several people that have gotten shingles from the chicken pox vaccine. Tell me that is a better result. I don't think so. There are so many links to current diseases/ailments from over vaccination/over treatment.
Bring on the apocalypse - you won't see this guy getting any flu shot. I don't give a shit if they decide to fine me. I don't give a shit if flu kills me. The day the gov't/business/insurance companies (soon they will all be the same - maybe are already) mandate what I do in this regard is the day I check out of this society.
<edited post - toned it down some>
Tone it down some more.
Quote from: angler on October 24, 2009, 12:16:43 PM
Gone - toned down enough?
That really wasn't necessary.
All you need to do is leave the political aspect of it out of your posting.
There's plenty wrong with the scenario on it's own merits without bringing that in to it.
Yaaaay!
It's officially a national emergency!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423/ns/health-cold_and_flu/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423/ns/health-cold_and_flu/)
I got a tequila shot
I'm ok with vaccines that have gotten rigorous clinical testing, but I'm not getting flu shots.
I have gotten HepB because I sometimes work with blood products in the lab, I wouldn't get it otherwise.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 23, 2009, 05:54:57 PMmeasles mumps rubella and chicken pox are no more fatal to the majority of kids than they ever were.
I disagree on rubella. It's mild to kids but very risky for pregnant women as it has a high chance of causing birth defects.
http://cerhr.niehs.nih.gov/common/rubella.html (http://cerhr.niehs.nih.gov/common/rubella.html)
QuoteRubella (German measles) is a mild childhood illness that poses a serious threat to the fetus, if the mother contracts the illness during pregnancy. More than 20,000 babies were born with birth defects during an outbreak of rubella in 1964-65. The same outbreak also resulted in at least 10,000 miscarriages and stillbirths.
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About 25 percent of babies whose mothers contract rubella during the first trimester of pregnancy are born with one or more birth defects which, together, are referred to as congenital rubella syndrome. These birth defects include eye defects (resulting in vision loss or blindness), hearing loss, heart defects, mental retardation and, less frequently, cerebral palsy.
Quote from: somegirl on October 24, 2009, 03:37:12 PM
I'm ok with vaccines that have gotten rigorous clinical testing, but I'm not getting flu shots.
I have gotten HepB because I sometimes work with blood products in the lab, I wouldn't get it otherwise.
I disagree on rubella. It's mild to kids but very risky for pregnant women as it has a high chance of causing birth defects.
http://cerhr.niehs.nih.gov/common/rubella.html (http://cerhr.niehs.nih.gov/common/rubella.html)
That's fine.
If you don't get rubella as a child and want to have children, get vaccinated before you think of getting pregnant.
Problem solved.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 24, 2009, 03:47:18 PM
That's fine.
If you don't get rubella as a child and want to have children, get vaccinated before you think of getting pregnant.
Problem solved.
Works for people who actually plan pregnancies. ;)
Quote from: somegirl on October 24, 2009, 03:51:59 PM
Works for people who actually plan pregnancies. ;)
What did women do before all the miraculous immunizations?
Quote from: ducpainter on October 24, 2009, 04:07:43 PM
What did women do before all the miraculous immunizations?
They died while birthing.
:(
Quote from: alfisti on October 24, 2009, 04:39:35 PM
They died while birthing.
:(
Women still do occasionally which is really unfortunate.
Which immunization stops that?
Quote from: ducpainter on October 24, 2009, 04:45:59 PM
Women still do occasionally which is really unfortunate.
Which immunization stops that?
getting one of the principles fixed should do the trick.
unfortunately, that creates a whole other issue....
Quote from: ducpainter on October 24, 2009, 04:45:59 PM
Women still do occasionally which is really unfortunate.
Which immunization stops that?
The... child... birth... vaccine?
Quote from: ducpainter on October 24, 2009, 04:07:43 PM
What did women do before all the miraculous immunizations?
They had a higher chance of having a child with health issues.
I would agree that at least it would make sense just to give it to girls as they reach puberty.
Quote from: alfisti on October 24, 2009, 04:48:52 PMThe... child... birth... vaccine?
[laugh] [laugh] If someone invented that they would be loved and hated.
So many have it all figured out. Here's to you. [wine]
I'd love to know what it is supposed to be in the vaccine that triggered the debilitating milady this young woman suffers from.
What else are we/she exposed to on an everyday basis? Methyl Mercury in our air from coal fired power plants? It's in fatty fish we eat too. Carbon monoxide? It's everywhere. Toluene and xylene and even small amounts of benzene? It's in our gasoline and we breath it as we fuel our cars. Food additives? In everything we eat. We live in a sea of "hazardous substances" too numerous to list. One could go on and on and not run out of physical and chemical insults we all endure form living in this world on a daily basis.
Was a threshold reached in this poor woman's case of something else than what was in that flu shot? We don't know.
There's just no ...... no make the beast with two backsing way to say that the flu shot was responsible for her case. Correctly applied epidemiology may tell the tale about this and other "shots" in the future. Did you take statistics? They made me.
Otherwise healthy kids have been dying from H1N1 flu much like many of the 1918 swine flu patients - not the old and very young maybe?
This is VERY early in the season for so much flu. It could get real bad. I hope not.
Dog help us if an avian virus that NOBODY has any immunity to hits us. Could make the black death look good.
Do what you think is right for yourself and your family. I will take the shots and will have my children do so also - if they get here on time.
As always YRMV. Best of luck to you and yours. [coffee]
LA
Well said.
But tHen, I'm part of the evil healthcare eStablishment.
Quote from: swampduc on October 24, 2009, 06:39:51 PM
Well said.
But tHen, I'm part of the evil healthcare eStablishment.
Why yes... yes you are. :P
Nate,
Do you get vaccines for your animals?
I have no time to read through 5 pages of babble. I would definitely tap that ass.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on October 26, 2009, 12:23:53 PM
Nate,
Do you get vaccines for your animals?
Hmm, I think all he's got is a herd of barn cats
and im pretty sure they're on their own ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 26, 2009, 03:20:15 PM
Hmm, I think all he's got is a herd of barn cats
and im pretty sure they're on their own ;)
no, he has "fisher" cats as well.
he vaccinates them with regular doses of barn cat.
seems to keep everything in equilibrium...
Quote from: cyrus buelton on October 26, 2009, 12:23:53 PM
Nate,
Do you get vaccines for your animals?
I get them rabies vaccines...if they live long enough for their first trip to the vet...which would be for neutering. Usually they get eaten by some larger critter before that happens.
I never said I don't believe in
useful vaccines...ie smallpox...polio...tetanus...do they even do polio any more?
I just don't think that vaccines for childhood diseases that are pretty much harmless to children are anything but an attempt to sterilize our society, which is stupid, and put money in the pockets of the drug companies. We should figure out a way to assure every kid gets them and builds immunities the natural way. I also think that vaccinating a newborn is criminal...yet every hospital will push hepB before the kid is 12 hours old. [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
I think everyone should do what they want...this is just what I think.
If any one wants to know why I'm so vocal on this topic, pm me. I might even tell you.
Yes, they still vaccinate against polio, but it's not what you got as a kid. In the 80's and 90's it was OPV (oral polio vaccine) the stuff that tasted like bubble gum. After they discovered there was a chance that you could develop polio from the vaccine (about 1 in 100,000) they switched to IPV (inactivated polio vaccine) which is a shot again...
When I was little, I remember getting the polio vaccine on a sugar cube. We all lined up at school and at the cube.
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on October 26, 2009, 05:50:39 PM
When I was little, I remember getting the polio vaccine on a sugar cube. We all lined up at school and at the cube.
You sure that was vaccine on that sugar cube?
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/hypnotoad72/Acid-Trip-3.jpg)
;D
Quote from: alfisti on October 26, 2009, 05:53:34 PM
You sure that was vaccine on that sugar cube?
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/hypnotoad72/Acid-Trip-3.jpg)
;D
Good Day Sunshine With Lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcM_6PzkAts#normal)
Quote from: alfisti on October 26, 2009, 05:53:34 PM
You sure that was vaccine on that sugar cube?
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/hypnotoad72/Acid-Trip-3.jpg)
;D
looks familiar. That was a vaccine I had in college?
;D
Quote from: swampduc on October 26, 2009, 06:20:07 PM
looks familiar. That was a vaccine I had in college?
;D
You didn't go to Alfred University, did you?
;)
Quote from: alfisti on October 26, 2009, 05:53:34 PM
You sure that was vaccine on that sugar cube?
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/hypnotoad72/Acid-Trip-3.jpg)
;D
whooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Quote from: ducatiz on October 26, 2009, 06:35:12 PM
whooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Yea, I saw something like that after takin a vitamin B-12 tab doused with 25 and watched the Allman Bros. perform a whole concert on an Idlewild South album cover. I heard someone say Yellow sunshine. ;D
LA
I work with a guy who refuses to give any of his four children shots.
He gets by through the school system by using religious beliefs are against it.
not sure how that works, but he claims it does.
Quote from: LA on October 26, 2009, 08:43:51 PM
Yea, I saw something like that after takin a vitamin B-12 tab doused with 25 and watched the Allman Bros. perform a whole concert on an Idlewild South album cover. I heard someone say Yellow sunshine. ;D
LA
Allmans, Dead, Widespread Panic - vaccines help a lot ;D
Quote from: LA on October 26, 2009, 08:43:51 PM
Yea, I saw something like that after takin a vitamin B-12 tab doused with 25 and watched the Allman Bros. perform a whole concert on an Idlewild South album cover. I heard someone say Yellow orange sunshine. ;D
LA
fixed it.