Had it for two days and it sucks. not the worst flu ive ever had but sux nonetheless. anyone else go through this junk?
Quote from: rgramjet on November 03, 2009, 02:49:06 PM
Had it for two days and it sucks. not the worst flu ive ever had but sux nonetheless. anyone else go through this junk?
Back in the 70s...
No worse than any other junk. :-\
Thing is, it can kill you since is a mutation that mutates...
Quote from: M620D on November 03, 2009, 02:51:58 PM
Thing is, it can kill you since is a mutation that mutates...
Damn! that's heavy.........man.
LA
Quote from: LA on November 03, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
Damn! that's heavy.........man.
LA
Couple of communities have been quarantined in full due to this crap
My 15 y/o niece who HATES missing school and gets all A's has had it for almost two weeks. No overnight hospitalization but an IV at one point. Just started feeling well enough to sit at the dinner table this w/end when she started having severe stomach pains. Now she's got a 2" cyst on one of her ovaries. THIS is what it means to get kicked while you're down! Poor kid.
I hope everyone pulls out of it ok! Sounds horrible for most.
Quote from: M620D on November 03, 2009, 03:04:10 PM
Couple of communities have been quarantined in full due to this crap
Got any hard info to back that up? [roll]
The local news today admitted that H1N1 is no more deadly than any other severe strain of flu.
I saw it on tv so it must be true.
I wish these gullible morons would quit claiming they have Pig-Aids - or whatever media-hyped panic-demic they are selling this year - evertime they have the sniffles. Really, dumbass*? Really? Did your swinecoligist confirm that? You are poisoning and insulting our species with your pathetic cries for attention. Go die from a real disease. That is pretty much my take on it.
*general public, not you guys
cuz, really, I love you guys ;D
Quote from: krolik on November 03, 2009, 05:51:12 PM
Got any hard info to back that up? [roll]
Would have to find enewspaper's news to post it... the scientist who discovered the a-h1n1 gene works at the Gorgas Memorial Laboratory, this used to be a US Navy run lab for tropical deseases as a CDC branch... By the way, I'm in Panama...
G has had four patients die. No underlying health concerns.
A really disconcerting combination of death count, and calls to ignore the hype. That is what H1N1 is to me. I hope you get well soon rgramjet...
I have had a low grade fever since Sunday, a minor sore throat, and a nonproductive cough. My doc says it IS a virus, but NOT H1N1. If it were, I could not post here. I would be to sick.
Every illness now seems to be called bacon fever.
Rog's got the hieney...
Hope you're feeling better - co-worker's wife has got some flu thing going on... Do not want.
And thanks for that uplifting thought Stat...
See here's my thing, I don't know what to think. Should I get vaccinated or not? Are the vaccines doing more good than harm? With all the hype in both directions, I can't decide which decision would best serve my best interests.
I have heard of no major adverse reactions from this series of H1N1 vaccines.
Quote from: Mr. Exact on November 04, 2009, 08:13:24 AM
this series of H1N1 vaccines.
How do you know which series "this" one is though? (as a patient)
This series as opposed to the one that everyone refers to about the adverse effects (i.e. the stuff from the 80's)...
I was offered a free H1N1 vaccination from my doctor buddy but haven't decided yet whether or not to take it.
Quote from: Monster Dave on November 04, 2009, 08:10:34 AM
See here's my thing, I don't know what to think. Should I get vaccinated or not? Are the vaccines doing more good than harm? With all the hype in both directions, I can't decide which decision would best serve my best interests.
from wiki answers. [thumbsup]
The injected vaccine does not contain any live virus material.
However, the inhaled version, called Flumist, contains a live, attenuated virus.
They found a cat in Iowa infected with A-H1N1, this is how this s*** mutates...
Well, my wife and son got the vaccine today, so we'll see if there are any major side effects.
Quote from: Scotzman on November 04, 2009, 04:35:22 PM
Well, my wife and son got the vaccine today, so we'll see if there are any major side effects.
[popcorn]
Quote from: M620D on November 04, 2009, 02:23:15 PM
They found a cat in Iowa infected with A-H1N1, this is how this s*** mutates...
Ferrets can get H1N1 flu also.
Here's an interesting graphic from Flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4052849920/#in/pool-16135094@N00 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4052849920/#in/pool-16135094@N00)
...with sources cited.
Here's the big version of just the graphic (no sources cited):
http://tinyurl.com/ylm9mk5 (http://tinyurl.com/ylm9mk5)
Seems we ought to be all up in arms about HIV, TB, and malaria, and really not all that interested in H1N1, which is so far about as deadly as leprosy, and far less nasty for the afflicted living.
Admittedly the numbers are changing as flu season progresses, but the chart's still an interesting one. Me, I'll take flu over leprosy any day, thanks!
[popcorn]
the scariest thing about that cart is the skull graphic
from the CDC website
Every year in the United States, on average:
* 5% to 20% of the population gets the flu;
* more than 200,000 people are hospitalized from flu-related complications; and
* about 36,000 people die from flu-related causes.
I know that with all the pressure to get this shot, Ive gotten suspicious and put on my govt conspiracy tin foil hat. I'm running the other way on this.
Besides based on My past experience every time I get a flu shot, I get sick. I don't get sick most years left alone from the shot.
HR handed out h1n1 pamphlets yesterday at our corporate offices [roll]
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on November 06, 2009, 12:57:29 AM
HR handed out h1n1 pamphlets yesterday at our corporate offices [roll]
My point exactly.
It is officially the worst flu Ive ever had. Get the shot or misted.
I finally got shot yesterday - the hospital got only tiny amounts of vaccine and shot nurses first. Doctors are lower on the totem pole, but apparently that doesn't mean that if there's a "flu emergency" I get to stay home...
My wife's 48, healthy, and not a healthcare worker, so is low-priority. She's a former virologist and definitely planning to get shot when they let her stand in front of the squad. My kid's 14 and supposedly high priority for getting vaccinated, but the pediatricians only have very small amounts of the vaccine so are reserving it for immunocompromised kids.
For those who say they "get sick" in years they've been vaccinated, the point of the annual trivalent vaccine has nothing to do with not "getting sick." It has everything to do with developing immunity against the 3 specific influenza strains in that year's vaccine.
Unless you've had virology studies done to confirm that a) you actually had influenza, not just some other crappy miserable syndrome and b) the strain of virus you had was in that year's vaccine, you have no reason whatsoever to say that the vaccination hasn't worked for you. This would be like saying that wearing a helmet on your bike was useless because you twisted your ankle falling down the stairs. Saying that you've avoided the 'flu despite not having had the vaccination is like claiming that you don't need the helmet because you avoided injuring your ankle on the stairs after not wearing it on the bike.
Quote from: mstevens on November 07, 2009, 10:57:22 AM
For those who say they "get sick" in years they've been vaccinated, the point of the annual trivalent vaccine has nothing to do with not "getting sick." It has everything to do with developing immunity against the 3 specific influenza strains in that year's vaccine.
Unless you've had virology studies done to confirm that a) you actually had influenza, not just some other crappy miserable syndrome and b) the strain of virus you had was in that year's vaccine, you have no reason whatsoever to say that the vaccination hasn't worked for you. This would be like saying that wearing a helmet on your bike was useless because you twisted your ankle falling down the stairs. Saying that you've avoided the 'flu despite not having had the vaccination is like claiming that you don't need the helmet because you avoided injuring your ankle on the stairs after not wearing it on the bike.
+1
I try to explain that to people every year, some people just can't be convinced...
guess i have been lucky for 39 years then. no flu or flu shot in that time.
Quote from: herm (not herb) on November 07, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
guess i have been lucky for 39 years then. no flu or flu shot in that time.
Luck would really be the only explanation.
Just curious: how can you possibly know that you've never had an influenza infection? Many cases are essentially indistinguishable from a "cold."
Quote from: mstevens on November 07, 2009, 03:46:27 PM
Luck would really be the only explanation.
Just curious: how can you possibly know that you've never had an influenza infection? Many cases are essentially indistinguishable from a "cold."
Or he's blessed with a really good immune system and seems to take good care of himself.
Quote from: mstevens on November 07, 2009, 03:46:27 PM
Luck would really be the only explanation.
Just curious: how can you possibly know that you've never had an influenza infection? Many cases are essentially indistinguishable from a "cold."
right you are doc...
i guess all i can say is that i have never been diagnosed with, nor suffered from, the "flu"
Quote from: Scotzman on November 04, 2009, 04:35:22 PM
Well, my wife and son got the vaccine today, so we'll see if there are any major side effects.
It's been a few days and no side effects yet, so I guess everything is good to go.
Quote from: herm (not herb) on November 07, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
guess i have been lucky for 39 years then. no flu or flu shot in that time.
Quote from: herm (not herb) on November 07, 2009, 05:32:53 PM
right you are doc...
i guess all i can say is that i have never been diagnosed with, nor suffered from, the "flu"
same here.
i've never had a flu shot, or the "flu" [thumbsup]
I welcome the flu
I could use a lil time off from work
Quote from: bobspapa on November 07, 2009, 08:05:51 PM
I welcome the flu
I could use a lil time off from work
jeeeez.... already? [laugh]
how many sick days you have at the new job?
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on November 07, 2009, 08:09:27 PM
jeeeez.... already? [laugh]
how many sick days you have at the new job?
like 10 minutes [laugh]
I can send you a couple of scratch and sniffs!
;D
Quote from: mstevens on November 07, 2009, 10:57:22 AM
Unless you've had virology studies done to confirm that a) you actually had influenza, not just some other crappy miserable syndrome and b) the strain of virus you had was in that year's vaccine, you have no reason whatsoever to say that the vaccination hasn't worked for you. This would be like saying that wearing a helmet on your bike was useless because you twisted your ankle falling down the stairs. Saying that you've avoided the 'flu despite not having had the vaccination is like claiming that you don't need the helmet because you avoided injuring your ankle on the stairs after not wearing it on the bike.
I agree with your B point, It
is playing the Odds, and I know that. But I also know that my chances of getting sick after getting a flu shot are 100% instead of just 1 in 3 by not getting it. I have not gone to confirm what it is that is making me sick, but in the 8 times i have had a flu shot, I have been sick 8 times within 2 days or less. That means i'm sick, bad headach, weak, fever, green snot, the works. So I'm just going by experience.
Quote from: mstevens on November 07, 2009, 03:46:27 PM
Luck would really be the only explanation.
Just curious: how can you possibly know that you've never had an influenza infection? Many cases are essentially indistinguishable from a "cold."
If they're indistinguishable from a "cold" why get an immunization?
Is our population that weak that cold like diseases require immunization?
this guy fears no pig aids. h1n1 is seriously overhyped...ive had numerous coworkers get it, ive so far been fine, and they're symtoms were no worse than any normal flu. [roll]
Two weeks ago I said the same thing.....maybe I jinxed myself. My tune has changed.
Quote from: rgramjet on November 08, 2009, 05:52:56 PM
Two weeks ago I said the same thing.....maybe I jinxed myself. My tune has changed.
Sorry dude. If your not too weak to type. Tell us more about how your feeling.
Im coming around finally! Last week I had 3 hard boiled eggs and a Nutri Grain bar. Nausea sucks. Tried to drink as much water/Gatorade as possible. Hard to keep anything down.
This felt like a cold in the beginning, sore throat, occasional cough, no big deal....
My 7 year old son, Patient 0 in my house, started something Halloween morning. By 3pm, he decided he couldnt go trick or treating, Thats SICK for a seven year old!! He had spikey fevers all day Sunday and a dry hacking cough. Took him to doc on Monday.
Tested him and said he has the H1N1, great.... Monday night, I got the chills and a nasty fever to add to my sore throat, swollen glands and dry cough.
The ferocity and non productivity of the cough is the most frustrating part of this flu stuff. My ribs/chest felt like a couple of hippies were spinning around on my midsection. Phlegm didnt start showing up untl Saturday night.
Unlike a cold, this hasnt cleared and gone away like the typical last day. Damn cough is still there. Going to see doc tomorrow so she can listen to the lungs.....its always good to go to the doc, shes Hawt!
Took my 3.5 year old twins to the doc today. Theyve been sick too. Doc said to watch out for secondary infection ie pneumonia, sinus or even ear infections.
These secondary infections can gain a foothold fast and cause serious problems because of the weakened immune system.
Be well!
Quote from: rgramjet on November 09, 2009, 09:26:18 AM
Took my 3.5 year old twins to the doc today. Theyve been sick too. Doc said to watch out for secondary infection ie pneumonia, sinus or even ear infections.
These secondary infections can gain a foothold fast and cause serious problems because of the weakened immune system.
Be well!
Take care of those little ones. Hope all of you are better soon.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 08, 2009, 04:09:17 PM
If they're indistinguishable from a "cold" why get an immunization?
Is our population that weak that cold like diseases require immunization?
Some influenza episodes in some people (especially those with strong immunity) can be very mild and hard to distinguish from other viral infections such as "colds." The same virus in a different person might be extremely serious.
There are lots of frail, old people. There are frail, young people, too. Add in the frail, immunocompromised people (from diseases, medications, etc.) and you've got a lot of people who can be killed by otherwise minor illnesses. They catch those from others who have not been immunized. Since their immune systems aren't up to snuff, getting vaccinated might not work very well for them. It might not work at all. For some immunizations, it may not be safe for an immunocompromised person to get it at all.
Immunization is only partly for the person immunized - it's primarily for the "herd." Only when a significant percentage of people are immunized does immunization really work very well.
When my daughter was getting chemotherapy, it was really only safe for her to be around people who had been immunized against everything available or who had already had all the childhood illnesses. Stuff that would have been an inconvenience for them could have killed her.
That's what immunization is actually for.
so, its kinda like taking one for the team?
Quote from: mstevens on November 09, 2009, 01:47:02 PM
Some influenza episodes in some people (especially those with strong immunity) can be very mild and hard to distinguish from other viral infections such as "colds." The same virus in a different person might be extremely serious.
There are lots of frail, old people. There are frail, young people, too. Add in the frail, immunocompromised people (from diseases, medications, etc.) and you've got a lot of people who can be killed by otherwise minor illnesses. They catch those from others who have not been immunized. Since their immune systems aren't up to snuff, getting vaccinated might not work very well for them. It might not work at all. For some immunizations, it may not be safe for an immunocompromised person to get it at all.
Immunization is only partly for the person immunized - it's primarily for the "herd." Only when a significant percentage of people are immunized does immunization really work very well.
When my daughter was getting chemotherapy, it was really only safe for her to be around people who had been immunized against everything available or who had already had all the childhood illnesses. Stuff that would have been an inconvenience for them could have killed her.
That's what immunization is actually for.
I'm gonna back away this time out of respect for you Mark...
I just don't think we're on the right track with our penchant to have a sterilized society.
Im definitely Immunocompromised.....Ive got three little walking talking nose picking petri dishes that follow me everywhere...ya'll would be too!
Quote from: ducpainter on November 09, 2009, 02:12:42 PM
I just don't think we're on the right track with our penchant to have a sterilized society.
Blast, cant believe Im doing this but.......
+1
Antibacterial soap will be our downfall!
This one is tough. I agree with DP, and yet G has now seen this bug kill healthy people. Her job and my job mean very very high exposure. Sniffles and cough no matter how bad my family can rough it out and deal no problem....if there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I don't like playing numbers game with my family about risk/benefit....but that's what we all individually have to decide.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 09, 2009, 02:12:42 PM
I'm gonna back away this time out of respect for you Mark...
I just don't think we're on the right track with our penchant to have a sterilized society.
No need to back away - I agree that we're on the wrong track in trying to sterilize life. I also suspect like rgramjet that antibacterial soap might well eventually be our downfall.
I just have a problem with infectious diseases that people don't have to catch. We've eradicated smallpox (which was what vaccination was invented for in the first place). We've diminished infectious poliomyelitis, yellow fever, typhus, and a number of other things that had our grandparents, and in some cases our parents, quaking in their boots. Influenza once killed off a significant percentage of the world population in just a few years. I very seriously doubt this current incarnation is capable of doing that, but I can do my part to minimize spread by getting immunized. Yes, we have tough-to-treat bacterial infections but most bacterial infections can be treated. Viral infections are almost completely untreatable, so prevention is practically the only thing to do.
As Statler indirectly points out, I'm not actually in a high-risk group at 48. Sure, I'm almost guaranteed to get exposed and quite likely to get sick, but I'm not at all likely to become seriously ill. For whatever reason (cytokine storm?) it's the otherwise young, healthy people with really strong immune systems that seem to be at highest risk from this H1N1/09, just as seemed to be the case in 1918 where the case fatality rate was over 2.5%. It would surely suck if a college student came to see me when I had the 'flu, got sick and croaked as a result. It would also suck if I brought it home to my kid and he croaked. So, I get immunized.
its a conspiracy (http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/population_control/population_control.htm)
disclaimer-no political opinions or beliefs were involved in the posting of this link
Quote from: herm (not herb) on November 09, 2009, 05:20:34 PM
its a conspiracy (http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/population_control/population_control.htm)
disclaimer-no political opinions or beliefs were involved in the posting of this link
One word....
WOW!
Quote from: Mr. Exact on November 09, 2009, 05:36:03 PM
One word....
WOW!
What's the connection between the global conspiracy and World of Warcraft?
Hahahaha!
Not W.O.W.
WOW...
Quote from: Mr. Exact on November 10, 2009, 04:40:47 AM
Hahahaha!
Not W.O.W.
WOW...
Dang it! I know there's a connection between The Global Conspiracy(R) and W.O.W. (as there is with literally everything else) and was hoping I'd finally get an explanation. Guess not. Of course, that's just another example of T.G.C. in action!
My wife and kid have elevated risk factors. I'd like to get them immunized. As a public school teacher, I'm sure to get exposed. I put a hand sanitizer pump in my classroom as a first line of defense. High school kids STILL leave their dirty tissues on the desks and floors. It's pretty gross and irresponsible.
The plot thickens.....went to the doc today, turns out I have pneumonia......greaatttttt.
Quote from: rgramjet on November 10, 2009, 10:54:16 AM
The plot thickens.....went to the doc today, turns out I have pneumonia......greaatttttt.
Sorry to hear, hope you get better soon. :-\
Quote from: mstevens on November 09, 2009, 04:44:40 PM
No need to back away - I agree that we're on the wrong track in trying to sterilize life. I also suspect like rgramjet that antibacterial soap might well eventually be our downfall.
I just have a problem with infectious diseases that people don't have to catch. We've eradicated smallpox (which was what vaccination was invented for in the first place). We've diminished infectious poliomyelitis, yellow fever, typhus, and a number of other things that had our grandparents, and in some cases our parents, quaking in their boots. Influenza once killed off a significant percentage of the world population in just a few years. I very seriously doubt this current incarnation is capable of doing that, but I can do my part to minimize spread by getting immunized. Yes, we have tough-to-treat bacterial infections but most bacterial infections can be treated. Viral infections are almost completely untreatable, so prevention is practically the only thing to do.
As Statler indirectly points out, I'm not actually in a high-risk group at 48. Sure, I'm almost guaranteed to get exposed and quite likely to get sick, but I'm not at all likely to become seriously ill. For whatever reason (cytokine storm?) it's the otherwise young, healthy people with really strong immune systems that seem to be at highest risk from this H1N1/09, just as seemed to be the case in 1918 where the case fatality rate was over 2.5%. It would surely suck if a college student came to see me when I had the 'flu, got sick and croaked as a result. It would also suck if I brought it home to my kid and he croaked. So, I get immunized.
I just found someone that can explain my thinking better than I can...kind of long.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/vaccination-a-conversatio_b_358578.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/vaccination-a-conversatio_b_358578.html)
Man I wish Bill Maher would go on Adderall and read a John Updike novel.....that guy is painfully all over the place...
Not disagreeing with his message, just that it could have been covered in 4 substantive paragraphs. I felt like I was reading a 10 graders essay with a 1,500 word minimum.
Quote from: rgramjet on November 18, 2009, 12:30:56 PM
Man I wish Bill Maher would go on Adderall and read a John Updike novel.....that guy is painfully all over the place...
Not disagreeing with his message, just that it could have been covered in 4 substantive paragraphs. I felt like I was reading a 10 graders essay with a 1,500 word minimum.
I'd be at the other extreme...and you wouldn't know what I thought.
can't please everyone. ;D
A neighbors 40yo son just died of it, no pre-existing conditions.
:'(
mitt
Quote from: mitt on November 18, 2009, 01:37:58 PM
A neighbors 40yo son just died of it, no pre-existing conditions.
:'(
mitt
Sorry to hear.
Pneumonia or a different secondary infection?
Sorry to hear about your neighbor.....
It was my wife's old neighborhood, I didn't know him, but I know the mother. He basically caught it, and within a week, he couldn't breath, went to the hospital, went on a respirator, and never came off it.
mitt
Quote from: herm (not herb) on November 09, 2009, 05:20:34 PM
its a conspiracy (http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/population_control/population_control.htm)
disclaimer-no political opinions or beliefs were involved in the posting of this link
what are "terminator seeds" and where can i get some....
Not to be gross, but the mucous is totally different from a regular cold...I can see where it could unknowingly build up to a point where clearing it would be very difficult....
My friend's 25 y/o nephew who also has severe cerebral palsy now has h1n1. Not looking good for him. :'(
Quote from: Stella on November 19, 2009, 10:35:35 AM
My friend's 25 y/o nephew who also has severe cerebral palsy now has h1n1. Not looking good for him. :'(
Thats pretty crazy! Hope it works out well for him. I was told by my Dr that it's attacking younger, healthier people because they havent been as exposed to the various flu strains as older people have. I had it and it knocked me down for a long weekend with a nasty cough to follow