Ducati Monster Forum

Hi,

I just start this thread because I´ve done some search in the forum but didn´t find what I´m loking for  ;D

So, I want a Radial Master Cylinder and after some time spend in the internet, I found these:
"Classic" Brembo´s
19X18
(http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/catalog/brembo_radial_master.jpg)

German "High-Tech" Magura
Radial 190 (option cyclinder diameter: 13, 16 and 20)
(http://www.spieglerusa.com/MaguraPage/images/190right.jpg)

Swedish "Ultra-tech" ISR
21-014
(http://www.isr-brakes.se/images/products/21-014-OA.jpg)
21-012
(http://www.isr-brakes.se/images/products/21-012.jpg)

Why I want it?
First for improve the brake feeling
Second for Design (form & function)

Where I apply it?
M696 pjfa Edition
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3694/dsc06445.jpg)

Where I use it?
Everywhere but circuit  [coffee]

If anyone want to give some options/feedback, I´ll be glad to know  [thumbsup]

The first on is good but is a cast one
The second i nicer and good i have one on the clutch side (it's a Spiegler but i think they are the same)
The third one i think is very big (to big) i did see those at a bikeshow last week and the are so big
And when you have the brakemaster you also need the clutch master because otherwise it looks silly

Thank´s for your feedback.
Yes, I also think CNC is better than forged  ;D
I also think the same about the size of the ISR.

I may have some great deal with a used Magura.

I have the Brembo "GP" radial forged 19x18 shown in the top. So does Kopfjager and Samsonite. It is fantastic.

Note that the Brembo is also available in Billet, but it is going to cost you a fortune. Check the Yoyodyne website.

I vote ISR with integrated master, they also come in black ;).

I also thing they are to big  ;D but thank´s for the info about the color.

Yes, a little fortune  [bow_down]


Great.

So, here a used Magura 190 Radial Master Cylinder. I think I´ll keep it  [popcorn]
(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/420/271020951.jpg)

I had some bad new today...
Seems like the Clutch MC from Magura doesn´t accept DOT oil so... bye bye the clutch to match with the brake  [bang]

I will try the Brake MC and then I will see if I keep it or switch to Brembo because Pazzo Racing doesn´t have levers for Magura  :'( and I like my Pazzo´s  [thumbsup]

What do you mean no DOT oil?

Which brake fluid does it not accept?

Maybe DOT 3 or 4...

Then you could use 5.1...?


Not likely that its hydraulic but doesn't take brake fluid. Are you seeing the "mineral oil only" master and missing the others?

http://www.spieglerusa.com/MaguraPage/ (http://www.spieglerusa.com/MaguraPage/)

pjfa,

you have to be more specific so that we can help regarding the fluid...

all or magura bicycle products used mineral oil, maybe that's what they call for for the clutch. 

Only Part No. 0020641 (12mm LH 195 model) states "Mineral Oil Only" so I would think that means other listed clutch master cylinders don't have such limitations.

The other options are: 0120643 (13mm LH 195 clutch); 0120437 (16mm LH 190 clutch); and 0120441 (13mm LH 190 clutch)

The 195 series is forged, looks like the forged brembo radial master.
The 190 series is billet, so you could pick either 16mm or 13mm and neither state a mineral oil limitation.


(Note: I'm just going by the Spiegler Catalog)

Hi All  [thumbsup]

Well... good news.
The last info was based from Portuguese importeur answer.

So, I´ve sent an e-mail to Magura (Germany) and they answer me:
the 190 works only with DOT. We haven´t another version from the 190.
 [bow_down]

Now, I´m officialy looking for a Radial 190 Clucth from Magura  ;D

Thank you for your support  [thumbsup]

Why not buy it from them since they answered your question?

Very good question... Maybe, they don't sell direct?
Well I got my hands on both masters from a 749, got em for $150.00[both], now I need to get the levers... No hurry here, first, need front suspension...

Spiegler USA certainly sells direct.

You said it... Spiegler USA
At times, European companies, don't sell direct to customers, they prefer to do it via 'distribuitors' or 'authorized resellers'... Just ask Rizoma, they wont sell direct.

I'm confused, they may ship international...

Think he's in Portugal... For Germany and German companies, that's not international any more...

The ISR master cylinder is the best I've ever used... I like it better than the billet radials from Brembo!

My current setup.

Switches integrated into clutch...
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2463/3806210724_8849e322f7_b.jpg)

Brake master...
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2563/3963838040_437d40ed5f_b.jpg)

Rider's view (I took the second switch button out since I wasn't using it)...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3527/3963821856_f6bb604b4d_b.jpg)

And a shot of the mono bloc calipers for good measure...
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2543/3963008987_7e3da25cf2_b.jpg)

no kill switch?

It's above the two buttons. That's also how the power to the bike is turned on. No key or anything else.

I've never quite understood the need for a billet or aftermarket clutch MC.  Anthony, does it make a difference on the track?  Cuz while I'm sure it helps with clutch feel, but I've never been a good enough rider to need such precise clutch control (other than during race starts, which I suck at).  

BTW, aren't those 6 pistons overkill on a 675?

The clutch is just a cable clutch perch with adjustable lever (about $160 so it's not like buying a hydraulic duc lever). This thing is 10x as precise as the original cable clutch so it does help in the fact that there is no sloppy clutch work, but it doesn't make me any faster. The brake is a different story though!

For Ducati the ISR hydraulic clutch it does help incredibly as it reduces the pull by 25% or more depending where you adjust the leverage point (that is on the 14mm version). To me that is a big help... and if you subtract the price of a slave cylinder and adjustable lever you are paying very little for a billet master cylinder that is tremendously more precise and adjustable than the stock setup.

The 6 piston calipers are over a pound lighter than stock ON EACH SIDE! That is a huge loss of unsprung mass. The stopping power is outrageous as well (which is what I like). The stock setup from Triumph is weak in my opinion.

So are these things necessary? No... but I do enjoy them as they make me more comfortable when I ride and when I'm comfortable I'm smooth and when I'm smooth I'm fast (relatively speaking).

1 1b each side of unsprung weight?  Holy crap!  I was asking more about the need for 6 piston v. a 4 piston set-up, but that weight loss is just awesome. 

Interesting pt re the billet clutch master for a Duc's hydraulic system and the associated cost.  I never thought of it as a substitute for a slave cylinder and adjustable lever, but that's a good way of looking at it (and justifying adding more bling.   ;D) 

BTW, this is OT, but I love the 1098R build.   [thumbsup] 

Hi Folks,

Yes, in Europe almost each country have a representative.
Only a few sell direct parts to final customer.

I get the MC, is the 20mm  [thumbsup]
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8117/dsc00987j.jpg)

Now, I will need some time to mount it in my M696 pjfa Edition  [coffee]

@ Desmoworks - nice piece of Art, a real sculpture you´ve got there  [thumbsup]

headhunter,
from where do you get your avatars......they do look good great!!!
yeap, your nick kopfjaeger means headhunter, but, you knew that... [beer]

he's a ninja

jajaja...How ya doing Nate?...I'm sanding like crazy dowm here....On Sunday I'll do the headlight bezel...

Chilly. ;D

Hi
Brembo is it
and look to Folding Lever is his and get with nice Lever Color and Logo. Is good Quality and price.
Lever (to Original pump)(http://www.igt-parts.de/bilder/variationen/gross/2214.jpg)
http://www.igt-parts.de/Radial-Brake-Master-Cylinder-IRC-19x18 (http://www.igt-parts.de/Radial-Brake-Master-Cylinder-IRC-19x18)
Radial pump Billet (http://www.igt-parts.de/bilder/produkte/gross/173_2.jpg)
The pump get with the self Lever Color and Logo to Radial Master Cylinder

Nice Look Dream

is it possible to get the black nipple separately from the master cylinder ???
if so where ??

Dan..