Radial Master Cylinder - or the art of braking

[pjfa]

Hi,

I just start this thread because I've done some search in the forum but didn't find what I'm loking for  

So, I want a Radial Master Cylinder and after some time spend in the internet, I found these:
"Classic" Brembo's
19X18


German "High-Tech" Magura
Radial 190 (option cyclinder diameter: 13, 16 and 20)


Swedish "Ultra-tech" ISR
21-014

21-012


Why I want it?
First for improve the brake feeling
Second for Design (form & function)

Where I apply it?
M696 pjfa Edition


Where I use it?
Everywhere but circuit  

If anyone want to give some options/feedback, I'll be glad to know  

[supertjeduc]

The first on is good but is a cast one
The second i nicer and good i have one on the clutch side (it's a Spiegler but i think they are the same)
The third one i think is very big (to big) i did see those at a bikeshow last week and the are so big
And when you have the brakemaster you also need the clutch master because otherwise it looks silly

[pjfa]

The first on is good but is a cast one
The second i nicer and good i have one on the clutch side (it's a Spiegler but i think they are the same)
The third one i think is very big (to big) i did see those at a bikeshow last week and the are so big
And when you have the brakemaster you also need the clutch master because otherwise it looks silly

Thank's for your feedback.
Yes, I also think CNC is better than forged 
I also think the same about the size of the ISR.

I may have some great deal with a used Magura.

[junior varsity]

I have the Brembo "GP" radial forged 19x18 shown in the top. So does Kopfjager and Samsonite. It is fantastic.

[junior varsity]

Note that the Brembo is also available in Billet, but it is going to cost you a fortune. Check the Yoyodyne website.

[Ducatl]

I vote ISR with integrated master, they also come in black .

[pjfa]

I vote ISR with integrated master, they also come in black .

I also thing they are to big   but thank's for the info about the color.

Note that the Brembo is also available in Billet, but it is going to cost you a fortune. Check the Yoyodyne website.

Yes, a little fortune  

I have the Brembo "GP" radial forged 19x18 shown in the top. So does Kopfjager and Samsonite. It is fantastic.

Great.

So, here a used Magura 190 Radial Master Cylinder. I think I'll keep it  

[pjfa]

I had some bad new today...
Seems like the Clutch MC from Magura doesn't accept DOT oil so... bye bye the clutch to match with the brake  

I will try the Brake MC and then I will see if I keep it or switch to Brembo because Pazzo Racing doesn't have levers for Magura   and I like my Pazzo's  

[junior varsity]

What do you mean no DOT oil?

Which brake fluid does it not accept?

[DarkMonster620]

What do you mean no DOT oil?

Which brake fluid does it not accept?

Maybe DOT 3 or 4...

[junior varsity]

Then you could use 5.1...?


Not likely that its hydraulic but doesn't take brake fluid. Are you seeing the "mineral oil only" master and missing the others?

http://www.spieglerusa.com/MaguraPage/

[DarkMonster620]

pjfa,

you have to be more specific so that we can help regarding the fluid...

[aaronb]

all or magura bicycle products used mineral oil, maybe that's what they call for for the clutch. 

[junior varsity]

Only Part No. 0020641 (12mm LH 195 model) states "Mineral Oil Only" so I would think that means other listed clutch master cylinders don't have such limitations.

The other options are: 0120643 (13mm LH 195 clutch); 0120437 (16mm LH 190 clutch); and 0120441 (13mm LH 190 clutch)

The 195 series is forged, looks like the forged brembo radial master.
The 190 series is billet, so you could pick either 16mm or 13mm and neither state a mineral oil limitation.


(Note: I'm just going by the Spiegler Catalog)

[pjfa]

Hi All 

Well... good news.
The last info was based from Portuguese importeur answer.

So, I've sent an e-mail to Magura (Germany) and they answer me:
the 190 works only with DOT. We haven't another version from the 190.


Now, I'm officialy looking for a Radial 190 Clucth from Magura 

Thank you for your support