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From http://www.themotorreport.com.au/48751/motogp-ducati-rejects-rossi-2011-talk/ (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/48751/motogp-ducati-rejects-rossi-2011-talk/):

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I want the pic framed hanging on the wall of my garage!! [thumbsup] [clap] [bow_down]

One day....maybe.  [thumbsup]

I feel tingly in all the good places. 

not-a-photoshop... just surprising until you figure out why he's in red.  ;)

(http://resources.motogp.com/files/images/xy/2010/MotoGP/n505906_Rossi.ferrari.original.jpg)

It says "MotoGP" and "Ducati" on his jacket in the first picture.

well, yeah.  and?

I go very fast...

I win.

Any graphic artists care to comment? Look at the way his neck doesn't line up with the collar of the jacket. And the Sandisk, Alice & other Ducati-Marlboro-related logos.

(http://www.roadcarvin.com/sites/default/files/images/Casey_Stoner_05.preview.jpg)

How about the yellow hat? ;D

maybe i wasn't clear: yes, it is not a picture of him in ducati gear.  duh.  it's a pic from a ferrari test.

but if you don't notice the 1 ferrari logo at first it's easy to glance at that photo, and at the motogp logo at the bottom, and think holy crap valentino's in ducati stuff talking to ducati engineers.  that's all i was sayin'.

Either pic would give certain people fits ;D

except the ferrari pic is real and i don't see people having fits.

They might...in the sense that people don't want to see him go.

Nevermind.  I misunderstood your post.

rossi said last week that when he's done racing motorcycles, he'll be too old for f1...

i seriously doubt he'll leave motorcycles while he still has a championship in him.

I agree. But just the thought makes some people sad.

I think if Ferrari called him next week and said they had a full team for him...you know...he was 'the guy'

he'd be gone from motogp.

I'm usually wrong though so pay no attention.

I can't see him give up the chance to make Lorenzo his pregnant dog.  Lorenzo's not sufficiently broken yet--ala Max, Sete and even Casey--for Rossi to feel like his work is done in MotoGP.

Is he really like the rest of us? :P

...and FTR...

I don't think he's broken Casey either.

He didn't break Casey completely -- not like Max or Sete.  But he kicked him in the balls pretty good at Laguna, and I count Casey's last season and a half as the aftermath.  So I agree he's not completely broken.  Only time will tell.

If Casey can come back and win the championship in the next year or two, he'll have done something that no one else has done to Rossi, i.e., take the full Rossi treatment and still win.

I think Rossi will finish his career in motorcycles and then go off to do rallies, but he'll likely not do F1. It's too bad, I'd like to see him in there mixing it up, but I think he'll stay in MotoGP for another 4-5 years as long as he's competitive and by then he'll definitely be too old for F1 unless he was a fill in driver or something.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jan/100118-stonerintervi.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jan/100118-stonerintervi.htm)

check out the last question.  and then the answer, which is not an answer to the question.

get over it you dope.  there was no contact.  he had already passed you at that top and then and he risked binning it completely in the dirt in order to not hit you.  ...then you fell down all by yourself.  and you're still pregnant doging about it.

all that said, i have this feeling casey is going to be greased lightning fast this year.


back on topic, i agree about valentino.  i think he's not done make the beast with two backsing with lorenzo.  and i think there's a 50/50 chance he finishes his career on a red bike.  and, less of a factor but a factor all the same, i bet he wants to see what ben is up to in a year or so, esp when we all go back to 1000s.

It'll be interesting to see how the new long-bang motor on the D16 stacks up this year.

it'll be interesting just to see how many motors in general go BANG and blow up through the season...

True. One rider. One bike. 6 Motors.

BTW - Are they changing the flag-to-flag rule in light of the one-bike-per-rider rule? With two bikes per rider, you can pit and switch to a rain-prepped bike. With one bike, will they red-flag the race or will riders just pit and change tires, suspension, and other things NASCAR style?

to my knowledge there are no changes like that on the books.

...interesting how the new GP engine rules make WSBK the more tunable, mechanically adventurous series now (once you get past the production casts, blah blah)

I think they're definitely down to one bike per rider (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Rule+change+announcement+made+at+Jerez+press+conference). Just wondering how that's gonna be handled for wet races, given the luck they had with rain in 2009.

that what i meant: i don't know that there are any flag-to-flag changes

I thought they scrapped the 'one bike' thing.  ???

Paging Dr. Derby...

First off, there was contact at the bottom of the corkscrew....you might want to check your TiVO again, Rossi went into the dirt b/c he was too hot at the top of the corkscrew. I believe he made a mistake and pulled it out of his ass when it happened to stick.  Casey backed out slightly 'cause he saw Rossi was out of control(possibility of a crash), but there was definitely contact! 

That being said, it was one of the most spectacular passes in moto racing!  He definitely, was in Casey's head from that point on.


As I understand it, 6 motors in any # of chassis, so you can have wet/dry spare bike in the pit, but if you use it the motor counts towards the 6 you are allowed all season.

From the article (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Rule+change+announcement+made+at+Jerez+press+conference):

Subject to limitation in 2010 will be the amount of bikes in the garage, as from next season onwards there will be just one machine per rider. The minimum weight of the single bike will be 2kg more than permitted in the previous rules.

I'm hoping Derby chimes in with a quote from the 2010 rule book to see what the exact details are.

i'm not the one who needs to check his tivo. :)

the reverse angle replay clearly shows this.  casey lifted his knee and definitely made a correction, but there was no contact when rossi came back onto the pavement.


...unless you mean the contact casey made on the way up the hill before all this.  cuz there was contact there.  that must be what you meant.

;D

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/06/26/single_bike_rule_dropped_for_2010_dunlop.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/06/26/single_bike_rule_dropped_for_2010_dunlop.html)

Straight to the bone as usual, derb. Thanks for finding that!

I was hoping to see what Rossi would do on a Desmo, though now I assume it's the GP10 Stoner and Hayden will be on for 2010.  He's said in interviews that he's wanted to win on Italian machinery.  It's also been said of course that he'd be a natural in an F1 Ferrari; Mercedes has even brought him in for test rides.

On the topic of the Stoner/Rossi Laguna Seca standoff, thought I'd add this link for anyone who hasn't seen it:  Rossi-Stoner Laguna Seca 2008 battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfPM77TsGaA#noexternalembed-normal)

             

long been established.  the open question is what happens in 2011.

yes, I meant 2011 with a GP11, lost my train of thought.

I see Stoner's right forearm grazing Rossi's rear tail section.  The shots from behind in the above clip are too far away to tell.

Rossi passes on the dirt: greatest pass in racing
Everyone else: time penalty

Damn it, why do I get sucked into this stupid debate every time? [bang]

because there was no pass at all down there?  it had already happened.

I wonder how long into eternity this will be discussed... ;D

i know it seems like i'm perpetuating one of those retarded internet arguments.  it's just that, simply, the pass happened before the corkscrew.  there was no pass in the dirt and therefore nothing to penalize him for. 

i'm sure that had there been, 'even though it's valentino', he would have been penalized.  it's not like he hasn't been in the past when he actually did break some rules.

 -- and mentioning casey leaning on him going up the hill was just cheekiness.  yes there was contact, but it was just racin'.  stuff that happens all the time.  i thought that was a really strong move.

....don't let me hold you back.  ;D

I'll simply remember it as one of the most amazing things I ever saw not caring about who 'touched' whom or when the pass actually occurred.

It's my opinion that that was the day Rossi got into Stoners head.

That was the greatest pass ever...dirt or not.   [bow_down] But...does a pass before a turn count if you're too hot to make the turn?  [coffee] Who cares though...it's long over...and was still some GREAT racing.

I think Rossi was in Stoner's head, ala Biaggi or Sete, in 2008 after Laguna. Stoner crashed a couple times trying to stay ahead of Rossi later that year.

Last year Stoner just had health issues...which may have got into his head themselves. A lot of us were skeptical, but he came back super strong, so there we go. I think Phillip Island last year was the turning point for Stoner and his attitude. He dominated and rode the wheels off the Duc...with Rossi on his tail. Now I just think he is motivated by Rossi...not intimidated. [thumbsup]

I also think he'll be stoopid fast this year. But...can he race with Rossi.  ??? I don't think it's mental...just skill.

I hope the 6 engine rule doesn't make a difference in the championship.

it will.  already has.

How has it already?

for one, http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81001 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81001)

the GP bikes are now actually more constrained than WSBK engines.. i'm not saying they're less powerful etc, but they can be a lot less judicious with their tuning.

and of course, this 'cost cutting' move has cost everyone tons of money trying to develop an engine that will give the maximum and still last.

OTOH, it has served the purpose of bringing race technology to street engines.  They're talking about getting a lot of mileage out of an engine that revs to a billion RPM.  That'll be great for developing production bikes that do that same -- long life with high revs. 

agreed.  the R1 in my future appreciates this.  =)

but that is not, and shouldn't be, the point of GP.

Ya, all that makes sense. I was talking more apparent things though...like one of the aliens having to start at the back of the grid during the second half of the season because they used more than 6 engines.

How are crashes handled? What if you have an engine destroyed, or seriously damaged in a crash. Does that count towards the 6?

yup, it counts.

So Lorenzo will be a non-factor by Race 7?  ;D

That rule sucks.

I think the rule could make things really interesting in terms of strategery.  I'm taking a wait-n-see approach.

That said, I really pissed that they've disincentivized wheelies and burnouts on the cool-down lap.  Assholes.   >:(    ;D

DEPENDS...if they get to the 3rd race on that engine and it makes the distance...they could pull the pin and see what happens!!!

unless the engineers are really concerned about being able to tear apart an engine that made it through 3 races.. which i bet they would be.