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Title: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: ducatiz on January 30, 2010, 11:30:14 AM
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=345397 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=345397)

He tests Suzuki chain orings (new ones) with exposures to various fluids people use to clean chains.

WD40, gas, kerosene, chain lube, carb cleaner, brake fluid, etc etc

It's a very good exposure test design.

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Title: Re: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: battlecry on January 30, 2010, 11:49:59 AM

Great post Ducatiz. 

I clean my chains overnight in ATF.  I suspect it is pretty benign to seals and orings, but I've never tested it like you.

Gosh, good thing my DCOEs have fiber gaskets!
Title: Re: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: ducatiz on January 30, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: battlecry on January 30, 2010, 11:49:59 AM
Great post Ducatiz. 

I clean my chains overnight in ATF.  I suspect it is pretty benign to seals and orings, but I've never tested it like you.

Gosh, good thing my DCOEs have fiber gaskets!

ITS NOT MY TEST!  I just found it while lurking on advrider. 

I'd like to see one on the effects on grease, but that might be much harder to do for a home-tester.  It certainly puts to rest the criticisms about WD40, but I was shocked to see the effect on them by kerosene.  Carb cleaner and gas, hell yeah, but I thought kerosene would be more benign.  I wish he'd tested diesel too that's another fav.
Title: Re: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: Slide Panda on January 30, 2010, 12:26:38 PM
Great find. Thanks for sharing 'tiz.  I need to lurk more on ADV. Obviously keep that carb clean the hell away from your orings... jebus.

Title: Re: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: NAKID on January 30, 2010, 12:37:56 PM
Awesome! Glad I use WD-40 for my chain cleaning...
Title: Re: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: He Man on January 30, 2010, 10:42:16 PM
check out bean clean.

its biodegradable,  dissolves in water, smells like hamburgers if you forget to wash it off, and is safe for rubbers such as o rings.

Specifically designed to clean moto chains that use orings, but good for many other things.
Title: Re: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: Privateer on January 31, 2010, 12:23:09 PM
isn't WD40 mostly kerosene? 
and which is better, orings swelling or shrinking?
Title: Re: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: Schwanger on January 31, 2010, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on January 30, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
I thought kerosene would be more benign.

The change is size was only 0.001" on cross section dia and 0.005" on the OD.  I would say that's a negligible change.
Title: Re: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: ducatiz on January 31, 2010, 01:52:27 PM
duh..

i misread the chart in my haste and saw the gasoline numbers.. 

kerosene looks just fine.

Title: Re: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: Spidey on January 31, 2010, 02:09:06 PM
I still wonder about the long terms effects of using WD40 as a cleaner and lube.  And about how using WD40 as a cleaner followed by Chain Wax affects the ability of the chain wax to stick.   I also wonder why Faceman had such a stupid paintjob on his Corvette while the kinda-similar A-Team van paintjob rocked my world. 

Interesting 'lil study.  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Actual tests on chain Orings with various fluids
Post by: COP TZR on January 31, 2010, 05:22:47 PM
Great posting!!!  I am a WD-40 user just to clean the chain.  I use an o-ring safe chain lubricant for lubing it.  Chains last a long time for me.