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Title: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: fouramdesigns on February 24, 2010, 01:55:27 PM
Looking at adding a few items to my garage to aid in my rebuild. Wanted to get some opinions, thoughts on a few products.

ATV Jack- http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00950191000P?keyword=atv+jack (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00950191000P?keyword=atv+jack)
Compressor- http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00916762000P?mv=rr (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00916762000P?mv=rr)
Air wrench http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00918064000P?vName=Tools&cName=Air+Compressors+%26+Air+Tools&sName=Impact+Wrenches (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00918064000P?vName=Tools&cName=Air+Compressors+%26+Air+Tools&sName=Impact+Wrenches)
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: chris1044 on February 24, 2010, 02:59:11 PM
ATV jack: better to build a table our of ply wood and 2x4's with a wheel chauk/bike stands IMO.  Stands allow you to work on the engine when wheels are on/off, and you don't need to tie it down.  With an ATV jack, you need to tie it down with can be a pain - just personal experience.

Compressor: What do you want to do with it? How much use will it see at one time - aka die grinder/paint/etc?

Air impact wrench: How often do you plan to use it?  If not very often, and all you're doing is taking your tires/wheels off cars, get an Ingersoll IR231-C.  It's cheaper, will do everything you'll need, and is easy/cheap to rebuild (and won't wear out unless your a professional - I was, had it, used, and abused it for 10+ years and it still works just fine).  Not as light as the one you're looking at, though.  I've also got a high end snap on 1/2", but that was bought to do heavy stuff where it takes 350+ lb-ft to take the nut off (think heavy duty truck axles/suspension).
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: Mr Earl on February 24, 2010, 03:10:31 PM
I used to buy compressors for industrial use, and those Sears high-RPM compressors would burn up pretty quickly.  We'd get about 8-12 weeks of use (12 hours/day, 7 days/week) out of them.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: gage on February 24, 2010, 03:28:51 PM
You don't need any of that to take your bike apart and you'll probably do more harm than good putting an impact gun on things. THe only exception to that is if you plan to take your forks completely apart - you'll need an impact to seperate the cartridge from the fork lower.

For a stand look for a post by charlief he built a stand using plywood that stores flat and goes together without fasteners.

If you want to spend on tools buy yourself a full range of qaulity torque wrenches. I like CDI Torque products and figure about 600 bucks

Also get a high qaulity set of allen sockets avoid the ones with the ball ends

A set of GearWrench pivot allens will also come in handy

A hammer operated impact tool will also help get stuck bolts out - I have the same bike and didn't run into any though
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: Popeye the Sailor on February 24, 2010, 05:41:36 PM
What exactly, are you planning on doing to the bike?

Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: junior varsity on February 24, 2010, 05:46:46 PM
change the headlight fluid and muffler bearings. duh.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: He Man on February 24, 2010, 06:01:24 PM
If your going to buy a compressor for tool use. Intermittet use as in, a wrench here every 10 minutes once a month. that compressor is fine. but dont expect go work a whole day without it wanting to cry and possible break on sooner or later. they dont have much of a duty cycle. Especially since its OIL FREE. its going to be loud. and its going to suck.

Do yourself a favor and buy something that is oiled.

Those $300 impact guns, unless you use them all the time arent worth it. air tools are simple in design, and ive used my CH one that i bought in home depot for $25 for quiet some time now. Ill just lube and it works fine. Its good up to 250lb.fts, thats more than youll need for a lot of things.

And that car jack sucks. If i were you, and had the money and space, id save my money from buying those 2 items, and get an actual motorcycle stand from HF. Ive heard some good stuff about their stands. its about $400 or so.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: fouramdesigns on February 24, 2010, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: MrIncredible on February 24, 2010, 05:41:36 PM
What exactly, are you planning on doing to the bike?


tearing it all the way down.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: Popeye the Sailor on February 24, 2010, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: fouramdesigns on February 24, 2010, 06:04:53 PM
tearing it all the way down.

Okay, so that would be basic handtools and a case of beer.

Two cases if you're putting it back together.

Paint and other things require additional tools.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: junior varsity on February 24, 2010, 07:18:28 PM
cordless, 'lectric impact wrench and call it a day. you'll be some lady's hero when you pull over to fix her flat tire and have the wheel off nascar pit fast.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: He Man on February 24, 2010, 07:54:51 PM
Quote from: ato memphis on February 24, 2010, 07:18:28 PM
cordless, 'lectric impact wrench and call it a day. you'll be some lady's hero when you pull over to fix her flat tire and have the wheel off nascar pit fast.

if your going electric, go lithium!!!!
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: Howley on February 25, 2010, 01:49:23 AM
I tore my bike down (to the engine and took the clutch right out) with basic tools, no impact wrench and no beer.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: ducpainter on February 25, 2010, 04:08:30 AM
Quote from: Howley on February 25, 2010, 01:49:23 AM
I tore my bike down (to the engine and took the clutch right out) with basic tools, no impact wrench and no beer.
You did it wrong. ;)
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: fouramdesigns on February 25, 2010, 04:23:05 AM
man I y'all crushed my Team Ellison pit team dreams. I was all excited about air compressors and such. Hey, good feedback, if  it's not needed, it's not needed. Rather put that money in the bike.


On another note, when I'm done, do insurance companies offer special coverage for customs bikes? So my investment will be fully protected? I think I've heard of such for classic and custom cars.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: ducpainter on February 25, 2010, 04:26:51 AM
Quote from: fouramdesigns on February 25, 2010, 04:23:05 AM
man I y'all crushed my Team Ellison pit team dreams. I was all excited about air compressors and such. Hey, good feedback, if  it's not needed, it's not needed. Rather put that money in the bike.


On another note, when I'm done, do insurance companies offer special coverage for customs bikes? So my investment will be fully protected? I think I've heard of such for classic and custom cars.
Yes.

They used to call it a stated value appraisal...don't know if that's changed.

Any licensed appraiser can write one for you. Save receipts. It will cost more than the average policy.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: junior varsity on February 25, 2010, 04:33:58 AM
Quote from: Howley on February 25, 2010, 01:49:23 AM
I tore my bike down (to the engine and took the clutch right out) with basic tools, no impact wrench and no beer.

you don't have to take the engine out of the bike to change the clutch, fyi. [laugh]
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: He Man on February 25, 2010, 04:47:42 AM
you dont need power tools.

$100 bucks in quality tools is enough to get most of hte bike apart. A socket sex, a Hex set, and a few special large size sockets.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: DucHead on February 25, 2010, 04:59:16 AM
I have an electric impact wrench from Harbor Freight.  I use it to remove the rear wheel nuts and the clutch nut.  I've had it for a few years, used it dozens of times (on my bikes and others) and it was less than $20.

That ATV jack is pretty much useless.  The only time I recall using mine was on a buddy's behemoth cruiser.
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: Punx Clever on February 25, 2010, 11:16:03 AM
What you really need:

A good torque wrench
A good set of sockets/ratchets (metric for the bike, metric and standard if you want to work on other things)
A full set of end wrenches
A set of combo box ends (the ones with different sizes on each end)
set of pliers
Set of allens (ball end are fine so long as they are on the long end of the wrench.  All the actual tightening should be done with a regular end)
A good vice with a set of soft and hard jaws
workbench and tool box
specialty tools as you run into the need for em
beer

That list will cover you to work on nearly everything you ever run into.  Everything else is just icing on the cake
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: Howley on February 26, 2010, 12:36:28 AM
Quote from: ato memphis on February 25, 2010, 04:33:58 AM
you don't have to take the engine out of the bike to change the clutch, fyi. [laugh]

Shit...
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: NorDog on February 26, 2010, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: He Man on February 25, 2010, 04:47:42 AM
you dont need power tools.

$100 bucks in quality tools is enough to get most of hte bike apart. A socket sex, a Hex set, and a few special large size sockets.

Socket sex AND special large sockets?  Dude, you're just bragging now.

[laugh]
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: Popeye the Sailor on February 26, 2010, 11:51:19 AM
Quote from: NorDog on February 26, 2010, 11:35:18 AM
Socket sex AND special large sockets?  Dude, you're just bragging now.

[laugh]

He Man thinks a 12 MM is large  :P
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: He Man on February 26, 2010, 12:07:37 PM
 [laugh]
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: fouramdesigns on February 26, 2010, 12:36:33 PM
I gotta 46mm  [moto]
Title: Re: Shop tools, you know, fun shit.
Post by: ellingly on February 26, 2010, 05:42:59 PM
I gotta 58mm. Undoes nuts on the end of Mazda rotaries :).