Ducati Monster Forum

A mid-sized Monster 796 is coming to the US.  It will be priced under $10,000 and will be officially announced in April.  Evidently the 1100 hasn't been selling as well as they hoped for.  Remember the S2R 800 was a great selling bike.  I guess they are hoping for more of the same.

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/22march10_Monster796toUS.htm (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/22march10_Monster796toUS.htm)

They're sending a 796 hypermotard too!

interesting. sigh. How long do you think before people start asking about a SSS conversion from it (a la hyper 796)?  [laugh]

real question is will they make this one a wet or a dry clutch?  if its like current trends unfortunately it will be a wet clutch, if they are smart they will make it a dry clutch and it will sell awesome

yeah, with a dry clutch the 1100 sales will really fall off, all go on sale, and then realize how handsome i am a give me an 1100 for free because noone wants them anymore.

Here's your answer:

"Although the 796 will have some budget aspects, it's still not an entry-level bike. The seat height will be the same 31.9 inches as the 1100 (the 696 is 30.3 inches), and it also gets the five-spoke Marchesini wheels and curvy single-sided swingarm from its big brother. The fork will likely be non-adjustable. Although the 796 motor in the Hypermotard makes just one more horse than the 696, that power comes on much sooner than the 696: the torque peak of 55.7 foot-pounds is at 6250 rpm (just a gear down from highway-cruising rev range), where 50.6 foot-pounds from the 696 appears at 7750 rpm. So the new Monster will take up a niche not seen since the Monster S2R 800 was dropped in 2008: lower pricing and less power than the 1100cc two-valve model, but not as basic or budget-oriented as the entry-level bike."

it's a good idea, the 800 slot is a great power band overall.  i'd like to see it with the fuel management system and head/valve changes in the 696.

I think they should have thrown in another 50cc on that bike it isn't going to be much of a difference from a 696 but the upgrade are nice.  Of course i understand the logic since they are just transplanting the Hyper 796 motor into it. I wouldn't be surprised if this actually hurts the 696 sales since there isn't much difference between the 2.  The 696 MSRP is at $9k so if the 796 is going to be under $10k the max it could be is a grand more.  What is a grand more in a loan or when your buying the bike of your dreams?  And with that grand you get more torque, a SSS, nicer wheels, what is not to like?!

watch them drop the prices on the 696 and then discontinue it after 1-2 years.

I was gonna say this is the beginniing of the end for the 696. No reason to buy one now.

if you look at it this way.

they keep the 796 at the higher seat height and if they do it with a dry clutch you will still have really new people and shorter riders taking the 696, on the basis of, "why spend the extra 1k on a noisy bike and not much more power and its higher too?".. so for that segment the new bike will not sell nad the 696 will have a place.

the 796 will sell to probably heavier riders or riders that want the dry clutch sound but may still be "newer riders" in the sense that they might not want the 1100 or can't afford the extra 2-3 k for it.

rmemeber they had the s2r800 and discontinued that, but kept the 695 and basically continued that to the 696, if anything past history has shown that the 796 may fail in the long run.  if anything if you guys think the 696 will die out that should have happend with the s2r800 adn that should have killed off the 695 but it didnt.

Why do you think it is going to be a dry clutch? I'd be really surprised if it was dry.

really i don't think it will be a dry clutch, i think they are moving to the wet clutches for all but the top end bikes.

but the oly reason i say its a dryclutch is that the original article said the 796 motor is used, 1100 frame is used and the switch gears i think were mentioned as being the same. so if that is the case i'm thinking it oculd be a dry clutch.
it would be good if ducati for once listened ot the owners that said "the s2r800 would be great if only if had a dry clutch"

It is the same motor as the hypermotard 796 i think it will be wet why not just make it easy and transplant the whole thing?

It'll be a wet clutch.  I'd bet your life on it.   ;)

I'm really trying to figure out Ducati's marketing moves.  They tried to get away from having too many overlapping options.  Now, they're back to it again.  

you are probably right, if i were to bet your life on it , i would say its a wet clutch bike.  its a shame but from what i hear the 848 dry clutch conversion will fit on practically any wet clutch bike.

Mid size is always a good option for those that are starting, but feel that they will outgrow the 696. Those people just look at the CC's and not the actual HP.

totally different top management AND ownership now.

the HMT 796 is wet, and they will use the same powerplant down to the nuts. 

as far as the wet/dry issue, i am sure someone figured out that they sell the bikes wet and the nerds who want a dry clutch will buy a DP conversion kit (ala 848).  I bet it will show up in the next DP catalogue... (Fits all 796 models...)

Smarter to sell the wet clutch for noise laws and offer the dry clutch as an option that costs $$$. 

Oh thank god. I was hoping the trend of maximizing HP, cc and top speed was going to go the way of spinner rims and Hummers.

Dear motorcycle manufacturers: Less power, better handling!

sac

anyone want to buy my 696 dark? [roll]

Then after a couple more years they can bring out a new lower cc/lower spec'ed Monster called the 626 that really just has the same old 620 (618 cc) engine in it.  That way the Monster models can be more evenly spaced.  Perhaps the Monster 1100 will be moved up to a true 1123 cc's and that will put even more distance between it and the 796 (803 cc) Monster. 

I think this is a great move, i own a S2R 800 and really like it. I bought it purposely because of the wet ATPC for all my city commuting but wanted the S2R styling and not the 620.

Also while it will be another model i don't think it will be hard for ducati to build it, i would money it will be a cobbled together parts bin bike as they are already mentioning: 1100 chassis, lower spec suspension, probably wet ATPC clutch, 796 motor from hyper. I bet it won't be difficult at all and imo a smart move by ducati.

They are essentially reacting to consumer demand by filling a gap without increasing (dramatically) anyway production costs. Whether it cannabilizes 696 sales or not, they can always slow production on the 696 if the 796 is more popular.

win win

By the time my wife caves and lets me buy one, the 796 will be out!  I just like it for the height, as being a 6' 215lbs guy, I was worried the 696 was going to be a little cramped...

At that height, you might want to look at the baby Hyper instead.

I can't see the point of putting a dry clutch on it. Almost anyone who's a non duc owner knows shit about those clutches-I don't think it's a huge selling point.

I'd be more intereste din the 400 anyways.

in reality the 696 doesn't need to exist when this comes. the seat height is moot as all you need to do is change the rear shock mount and pull the forks through a bit or even use the shorter forks. they might even offer it as an option like BMW does for their bikes.

I would bet the 696 goes away after 1 year. the 796 comes down to the 696 price point and it allows them to justify lowering the price of the 1100 further away from the SF.

good strategy. the 1100 is needed, but it's priced too close to the SF, so sales are being robbed. the 796 is price too close to the 696 for both to exist for long

it should drop to a 596, the 796 is intended to be the middle weight monster. i ask you, where is the lightweight monster? the 696 is 80hp - where's the more "entry level" bike?

Not that much to figure out I think; the 1100 was priced to high. For some reason they can't/won't lower the price. Only option is is a lower spec'd  version.


Lowering is never gonna happen (imagine you just bought the year before). Probably price will stay the same over a couple of years while the SF will rise in price.

Sad outlook, but they just really f#! upped the pricing of the 1100.

+1

That would be a great monster line up! 400ish, 800ish and 1100ish. Perfect. Or do away with the 1100 and just have the monsters be the baby bikes. The Hyper, the race bikes should satisfy the hooligans and speed demons.

sac

or a supermono 424...

errr here we go down the ducati model lineup speculation road again.

As fun as that sounds, I like the Monster 1100 more than the Hyper 1100.

I would be all over a Monster 1100 dark for around 10k....Do that instead! 

they would have to lower the price point on the regular monster 1100 a bit first i think

say
Monsters
696... gone
796... 8995
1100 dark... 9995
1100 ... 10995
1100 S ... 12995

HM
796... 9495
1100... 11495
1100 SP... 13495

SS
796... 9995
1100... 11995
1100 SL... 13995

MTS
1200... 14995
1200 S... 18995

SF
1198... 14995
1198 S... 18995


SBK
848 dark... 12995
848... 13995
848 SPS... 15995
1198... 16995
1198 S... 21995
1198 S Corse... 24995
1198 R Corse... 39995

put the lowering option out there for the 796 models
the SS could easily use the Monster frame setup with minor changes
the 848 SPS is a limited edition with ohlins and slight changes

Sure.  But cutting into the 1100 and 696 sales by producing yet another model doesn't make any sense.  This is exactly the sort of model line up they were moving away from with the 695 (DSS), s2r (SSS w/ 800cc engine), s2r100 (the big air cooled), s4rs (water cooled).  Now it looks basically the same -- 696, 796, 1100, SF.    WTF, Ducati?

you can lift a 696 for $20

Exactly. Drop the bigger monsters and let the hyper and a smallish affordable SS or SBK fill the niche and be the transition for Ducati enthusiasts into the bigger bikes.

sac


/and give the rest of us pussies a cheap 400 to dick around on

The 400s are tax/licensing bikes.  Only sold where needed and not that great for hp:weight

I don't want a lot of power  :)

buy a yugo

eat soy.

On the other hand it offers a SSS but with 696 power...Wonder if it will weigh less or more than the 696?

I love these line-up debates. The problem Ducati have for the smaller bikes is the psychological $10k barrier in the US ... we are waaay past that in Australia.

I would tip the 796 will replace the 696 ... if they are going to try and keep both, they should try their luck with proper suspension on the 796 (and/or a dry clutch) - but that will probably bugger up the $10k cap.

Similarly the SF848 makes sense to a consumer but would likely stuff up all the bigger air cooled line-ups ... all the components are already there ... its just a matter of what they think will mean more bucks for them.

I wonder how many of "us" would actually go through with an upgrade/purchase if they offered the bike "we" all think they should build.

Exactly. My cock is big enough and I don't need to strap a 150hp rocket to the end of it. How about Ducati makes a truly entry level bike? There are Rebels and Ninja 250cc. Why not a m400? Light, easily lowered, and priced as an entry level bike. Would this really ruin the cache Ducati has for being the maker of $30k super bikes that go 11ty billion mph? The little monsters are the best selling bikes for Ducati after all. Why not pursue that end of the market more? Or would this actually cheapen the brand the same way those horrible C class cars cheapened Mercedes? I'm torn.

sac

/still hopes they go smaller instead of bigger

aren't SSS heavier and not as stiff / ridgid?

I wouldn't be able to answer if they are heavier or not? Someone care to chime in with some knowledge on this subject? On the other hand, I guess our exhaust will still fit this one too....

It's an inferior design.

But for people who aren't racing the ease of swapping a wheel on and off as well as the cool factor can not be overlooked!  If i'm not mistaken adjusting the chain is easier as well.

Ducati do make Monster 400s for the market in countries where there is a capacity-limited licensing scheme e.g. Japan and Singapore.  Ridden a 400 before, basically it's great as a beginner bike but as experience builds the urge to go faster and have more torque will lead to a decision to a bigger machine.  The 400s do not come with a dry clutch version, and the last few models in 2006 (I think) was fuel injected.  The 400s do not have an oil-cooler and has one front disc for braking.

Personally I think that 400 cc is a tad under-powered, it takes a while to move off from a stop line.  The 620 is a great balance, I think.

Cheers

Yeah, In racing those DSS are a real problem.  ;)  That's front, rear, fuel and rider. In case you missed it.


Vesrah Suzuki pit stop Barber 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHFspWYFTE#normal)

The M400s sold in Japan were just dumbed-down 620s.  The ONLY differences in the bikes were the piston/cylinders and crank, and a single rotor up front with a smaller brake master and a smaller rear wheel.

Despite the deletion of one front rotor and caliper, it was the same weight as the 620 with about 2/3rds the hp.

Based on that, I would call it a piece of shit.  It was underpowered, overweight and over sized.

Now, if you tell me that they are making a ground-up design with smaller (lighter) components and purpose built for a 400cc class bike, then I am interested.   Just throwing thinner pistons into the same weight frame/engine/swingarm just to get 400 cc isn't worth it.  You could just put a rev limiter on a 620 and be done with it.

My Euro-import 600SS came with a smaller swingarm, a smaller 2:1 header and single exhaust, and used the smaller engine case from the Pantah and early Monsters (clutch slave on the right side).  The single rotor, 4" rear wheel, and thinner forks combined to make a very light bike (they were about 360 lbs wet from the factory).  My bike was upgraded by the previous owner with a bunch of crazy features to lighten it further.

So, if they can make an M400 that runs about 350-370 lbs from the factory and has ~40-45hp I say go for it.  Anything much heavier or lower hp and it's a dog.

Anyone remember the ill-fated Cagiva Mito500 design shown at the IMS and how everyone creamed themselves thinking of a single coming like that?  Oh well.

The Monster I always longed for would have been an S version (S4, S4R, etc.) with the 748R/749R motor.  I don't know why but I always thought the hopped up R version of the revier mid-sized engine would have been fun.

I had a 620 Monster and the SS1000. I was really sad to see the SS line up discontinued.  A proper sportbike with the traditional air cooled Ducati lump was just a gas to ride.

you and i both know that a ground-up design doesn't birth a cheap motorcycle. If they aren't take off components from the other bikes, there's little money savings because of tooling, etc. I will note that the new vacu-cast moldings for engine cases and such is making the new gen of bikes much lighter. The wet weight of the 1198 is a good 30lbs lighter wet than a GSXR-1000, and uses larger, superior rotors. (I believe its 300 to 330 still).

Might I suggest just looking for a good used S2R 1000?  It will be cheaper and have a better grade of suspension and brakes.  I'm 6', 220, and have no problem fitting on my S2R8.

Not exactly. The new Ducati SSS are supposedly lighter and more rigid than the last generation DSS (i.e. 999/749). Although, they probably could make a new DSS stiffer and lighter.

IMO for the street it doesn't matter anyway. The benefit of easy wheel removal and the ease of chain maintenance are key. I'd be hard pressed to buy another DSS bike after owning both DSS and SSS.

...and regarding the racing pit stop...who cares...I don't have a pit crew that follows me on rides, of hangs out in my garage.

Like the 696?
agreed

Ah. I was unaware. That does indeed suck. A lighter 400 would be pregnant dogin' but as you said, a complete retool for a new platform would weigh a light bike down with too big a price tag. Bummer.  :-\

sac

Call me a newb but all of my bikes have been dss, when removing the wheel on a sss, does the sprocket come off with the wheel?  Always wondered how the removal process would go since the rear stand is connected on the sprocket/chain side.  I must know....

sprocket stays on the swingarm on the left side

So in order to take off the sprocket, one must have to configure the stand to hold the other side of the wheel? 

just use a SSS stand.  it supports the bike thru the axle.  no problem.

A stand designed for SSS is used.  My Bulldog stand has interchangeable pins that insert into either side of the hollow rear axle.  Insert into left side if you want to remove the wheel, or insert into right side if you want to work on the chain and sprocket.

Thanks for clearing that up guys! 

it could be done.  like i said, take a look at the 96-98 600ss.  it is the lightest production 2-cyl bike Ducati has made to date.  it uses the same frame as the 900ss of the same years, but has a smaller swingarm, smaller rear wheel, smaller forks/triple, only one front rotor and a 2:1 exhaust.  it also uses the smaller pantah based engine, which i think is a bit lighter.

(if they had put in carbon fibre for all the fenders and fairings they could have dropped another couple of lbs, and with aftermarket wheels, forks, exhaust and some machining on the engine, another 20-40 lbs)

all they did was swap out components (and not for weight, but for price!)  i think the same could be done with a current model monster, but i'd still want at least a 600 cc engine in it.  the 696 is a fine place to start. 

the problem with sleeving the engine down to 400 cc is that smaller pistons mean thicker-walled cylinders (if you use the same crank case with the same holes).  that's the problem with the M400 -- 70.5 x 51, so it an oddball crank as well.


they could do it.  judicious use of existing stuff.  the biggest problem for such a bike is the engine, imho.  it would be MUCH nicer as a 400cc single, with engine size/weight to match.

Maybe. I'm not sure how rigid the 696 DSS is since it doesn't need to be all that rigid compared to the 1098 SSS, which is what all the current SSSs appear to be based on. But ya, presumably Ducati could make a new SBK DSS lighter and stiffer than a new SBK SSS.

would love to see how light the D16 swingarm is compared to the SBK

Raux,

Go find a 696 DSS swingarm and way it! is yours back on your bike yet?

i'll take a scale to the shop tomorrow.

IMO, this Monster 796 isn't a question of "can" they build it, it's a question of "should" they build it.  If Ducati continues to offer the M1100 bikes (with the higher-spec "EVO" engines), they're still going to be comparison shopped against the Streetfighter - introducing the 796 doesn't change this scenario.

If this bike hits the US showrooms at less than $10k, the 796's biggest competition is the 696 on the other side of the showroom.  Seems like an up-rated (higher-HP) 696 with higher-spec suspension would have been a better product-positioning move at this price point.  Even if it actually displaces 796cc, I'd call it a 696s or 696r, rather than confuse the portfolio by adding the "mid-range" 796 bike.

So, I guess my solution is to call this bike the 696s.   [laugh]  Should be interesting to see how this is ultimately marketed.

My $.02

The 836 Monster. 40cc's bigger than the 796 motor. That would be your better bet at having a middle-weight monster. HP around 90 would put you squarely between the 696 (80) and the 1100 (95+whatever evo makes)

I like your idea, that type of marketing would be a better way to put it.

Bingo!

That is what I was trying to say ... my uncertainty (being an Aussie) was whether they could get it to market for under your magical $10k in the US. Slightly over will actually improve the spread but may hurt sales.

The other problem you have (as I was alluding to) was that existing owners (read: those in the know) would undersatnd the reason for such a machine and the cost differential ... but how many would upgrade? The main issue is that the 696 and/or the 796/696S would still be viewed (especially in the huge US market) as an entry level bike ... and as such a higher level of suspension, better torque curve and potential a slightly lesser weight are not selling points - a SSS on the other hand may well be.

just for comparison, the S2R (800) sold for $8495

A 2006 CBR600 was $9,499

A 2010 CBR600 is $11,199

So $8,499 vs $9,999 isn't too unexpected.  If I recall, the S2R 800 didn't have adjustable levers either.

or suspenders, right?

no, mine came with a fine set of braces.

adjustable spoons?

I like that idea... and I like the idea of the bike

This new bike is hot. i'm diggin it. no mods necessary as far as im concerned. ;)

Forget the M796.......and the M1100 for that matter.

M900 EVO is where it's at. 

 

I dont know what they would have to do with the lineup but Ill tell you I would be interested :)

Its going to have to use some interesting number scheme. The 900 and 906/907 have been used. In the spirit of the 696/796, the 996 has already been used up. So has 916.

While we may be running out of options, could it be a 926? 936? 896?

they will start using revision numbers, like software.

996 REV A

Or maybe we'll see abbreviated numbers, like simply M9

Or names..  I think the Paso was a great name for a bike, honoring a great rider.

the Rosi
the Stoni
the Capi
the Haydi

etc

then they can go with the great DUCATI riders, so no Rossi
but name them like the MH900e
so the CS900
or NH848

Paso (Pasolini) rode MV Agusta

I'd take a Rossi edition. It'll be interesting what scheme he'll use when he's racing here to finish his career and top AGO's #.

but weren't ducati and mv part of the cagiva empire at the time?

Ducati was but not MV.  MV was not bought until '97, a year after Cagiva sold Ducati to TPG.

WTF I'm pissed!!! I was looking as an s2r 800 because of the sss but got a 696 for the new factor. this was LAST WEEK!!! Now I could have had both!!!! I am going to explode with rage right now.

Anyone want to buy an 09 696 white 8k miles!!! Owned by me for 1 week.

yeah one of the reasons i did a lot of research before buying.
but... figure this, just wait for the first person to wreck their 796, pick up the motor and swingarm, everything else is the same.

yea, I love my bike but considering I paid way below what the bike was worth I could probably trade it in for a new 796 and be have about the same amount of money invested...

Or just wait to outgrow the 696 and man up to the 1100s...

you see Raux, "just when I think you couldn't be any stupider, you go and do something like this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!"
that sounds like a plan to me! why did i not think of that.

Dumb and Dumber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnkefjCES-4#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

...A reason to trade up.  The lack of a SSS is the only down-side to the 696 for me.  Not as purty.

It´s online  [thumbsup]
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8303/m796.png)
http://www.ducati.com/bikes/monster/796/index.do (http://www.ducati.com/bikes/monster/796/index.do)

Great paint scheme! I go nuts for the Corse SBKs

I like the color choices and I like how they blacked some more out.

Bike looks great.  However, from what I can see it uses the same Showa 43mm forks as the 696.  I hope that's not the case and I'm wrong.

There are a lot of nice color choices on the site too, i like it.

Like the S2R 800, they will probably ship it with the crappy suspension. This is the beginning of the end for the 696.

this bike is a serious jelousy maker.

is it just me, or is the shock NOT the same as the 796 Hyper, aka, SSS conversion for 696?????!?

the 696 and 1100 monster and soon i guess the 796 share the same shock setup. the HM does not.
to do the 696 conversion to SSS you'll need an 1100 or 796 donor.

how can you be sure?
oh well, im pissed i didn't get this version, but being unemployed now, had i waited i wouldn't even be in a position to get a bike, at all. Im glad i grabbed one when i could. 696 all the way baby!

drool at IOM78 version.

well looks like they did it.. they made the bike i was looking for, and hopefullythe dry clutch conversion can be put on this bike.

i may have to hit the dealer soon to check this out.

pretty likely it can be done. may take some work.

The difference in the new cases may cause problems, that's my only thought without looking at parts fiches.

:o :o :o That's one purty looking bike!

would look better with the black frame.

 I better ditch my 696 before it's discontinued and the market gets flooded with them. I love the new 796 color selection, especially the black with red frame  :D , but I'll wait till the colors reach the 1100s before I buy.

Then you should look into the Second Skin promotion.

For my riding purposes that bike would be FANTASTIC!!!! But as always my complaint with these newer bikes... STUPID AIR INTAKES ON THE TANK!!!! UGH!!!

Not to kick you while you're down, but I got a laugh out of this post when I looked at your user name.

not actually on the tank, technically speaking, they are visible through the tank covers/skins. I quite like that they found a somewhat unintrusive way to get the monster series intakes closer to the superbikes (which use "ram air" ducting to the front of the bike, inlets typically on the sides just below the headlights.   

The tank on the new Monster lineup is significantly better than the old tanks for several reasons, one of which is the ease of replacement. Its not just about changing the colors, though the debut of the new DP tank skins like the IOM78, Imola 72, Darmah, Pantah, etc are available for all newer Monster bikes... The big kicker is that if you have ever had a dreaded "Monster Tank Ding" or a more serious crash, a replacement Monster tank can cost you well over $1,600.00. Ouch. A repairable tank could be repaired and repainted for, typically, between $450-850.00, meanwhile, you are tankless while the work is done, and thus riding that bike is not possible.  Enter the new tank design - get some rash, pull the single piece that is damaged and replace or repair it, continue riding in the meantime. Its a solution to a very frequent problem we've had over the years as Monster owners.

Now, if you just cosmetically/aesthetically don't like the intakes on the tank, well that's purely subjective. I don't like cast subframes, but it is what it is, and the features on the bike vastly outweigh the negatives with some of the aesthetic choices I would have made differently.

Shoot, this thing comes with 87 hp out of the box. Easily 90+ with the DP pipes and chip. The new 803cc Ducati motor is a beast, and weighs nothing. I'm looking forward to demoing one in the near future, though I anticipate the arrival of new Multistradas to dealerships to substantially overshadow the new 796.

The red frame limits the color choices.  For example the orange, purple and yellow clash horribly with the red frame.  Red frames can only be used with red, white, silver, or some combination paint jobs that have some of these colors. 

I think this would be my favorite choice color scheme choice if I could have a black frame.  Maybe silver or blue from the color scheme would work on the frame too, but definitely not red.
(http://www.ducati.com/cms-web/upl/MediaGalleries/37/MediaGallery_37981/M%20796_10S_LM-Ducati-Sport-100_C01S%20%5B1920x1280%5D.jpg) 

It looks like the seat is now flatter, which may be a good thing for most male riders.

Anyone know when these hit stores??

Having bought a 696 a few weeks ago I'm a bit pissed. Then again I could never have afforded this new to begin with. Looks like i"ll be hunting for a 796 on the used market in a year or 2

edit* Where can we purchase those new color skins!! they are just what I have been waiting for.

finally got to see the color ranges on a computer, they are nice updates of the classic color designs.

wonder how many of them they will sell?  you are right the yellow with the red frame does sort of clash, that is a shame, but oh well.  that is my color. lol

At your local dealer is the best place to get pricing and availability dates. The Second Skin program gets a new Monster purchaser (1100, iirc) a second set of skins along with what's on the bike.


Again, droolin' at you, IOM78 skins.

IOM78 is nice but that Ducati Corse is SEXY. the way the white on the tank panels tracks onto the seat cowl. SEXY.

the seat has been redesigned to give the some room where it was needed.   ;D

Should start seeing them in about a month or so

I'm Glad you didn't bet my life on it.

In case nobody went to the spec sheet to check it out.

APTC clutch
The APTC ‘wet’ clutch gives a ‘slipper’ type action that prevents destabilizing of the rear-end under aggressive down-shifting and also gives the extra benefit of a super-light feel at the lever, a great benefit in stop-start city traffic or during longer journeys. The 21-plate oil-bath clutch (11 friction and 10 steel) represents a power-enhancing weight reduction over the ‘dry’ system as well as having a quieter operation and requiring less maintenance.

Yeah that is a wet clutch.....same clutch from the 695/696

749 was the last of the sub-900 cc OEM dry clutches, iirc. And was dry because it was a part of the sbk lineup.  Because the 796 = 803cc, which is less than 900, one must assume it is wet. (If it is above 900cc, you can't assume anything any more. Some DS1000 are wet, new multi 1200 is wet, etc)

High res photos of new Logomania

 http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/v/main/news/2011-ducati-monster-796/ (http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/v/main/news/2011-ducati-monster-796/)


My Three Favs. which would look best on a black frame 696!!

(http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/d/235526-2/M+796_10S_LM-Ducati-Corse_C01S+_1920x1280_.jpg)
(http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/d/235527-2/M+796_10S_LM-Ducati-Mach-1_C01S+_1920x1280_.jpg)
(http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/d/235560-2/M+796_10S_LM-IOM78_C01S+_1920x1280_.jpg)

IOM has green, which I think would clash with the black frame, but perhaps not.

I think I'm sold on the Ducati Corse ( top picture )

It's just damn cool looking. With a black frame it will give that semi blacked out look with a splash of color.

Rad, I thought this was just going to end up being a rumor. It looks so much better with the foot peg holders black.

I know the 696 and 1100 had the multiple frame colors when they were first introduced. Is there any chance they will add a black frame option for the 796?

doesn't look like it.


Body Colour (frame/wheel)
Red (red / back) - Arctic white silk (red / back) - Diamond black silk (red / back) - Monster Art colours (red / back)

i want those foot holders for my 696. If anyone gets a 796 and LOVES silver, let me know

I just don't get Ducati anymore. The marketing department must still be out to lunch.  Price will be higher and no real change from the 696 aside from the swing arm.

I don't get it either.  I can't see them keeping both.

How about a bigger motor with more torque. It also has a higher seat height, not that that should be more money, but it's an improvement if you have long legs. And the subframe is black, that saves the time and cost of removing and painting it.

The torque profile on this will make it ride significantly different than the 696. Its not just the #'s, but where it makes it. A chart with the bike would be helpful to show you how the power is made, which would give you far more insight beyond the 1-2hp and 4-7ftlbs

A chart would be nice. 4-7ftlbs is a pretty big deal, especially if it comes on lower. And it could be more than that with some mods.

all the subframes are black

Well maybe I'm not up on the latest, but I seem to recall the 696 as looking like this.

(http://www.motovit.com/blog/Ducati_Monster_696/Ducati_Monster_696_4.jpg)

ha ha ha nope. They are all black. though, that makes me think ducati had this idea, then changed them to black, and forgot to change the pillion footrest arms.

That is an early preproduction picture.  When Ducati first leaked pictures of the new Monster 696 there was a lot of negative feedback about the cast frame.  People said it looked disjointed, like the bike was designed by two people not in the same room.  It was too late to change the design of the frame, but they did make sure the cast rear frame was black so as to minimize the look of the cast frame.

Just got the official email
http://www.ducati.com/bikes/monster/796/index.do (http://www.ducati.com/bikes/monster/796/index.do)

Yeah, we had about 15 pages on how ugly that looked.