Ducati Monster Forum

Hi everyone,

So I've had my 696 for 2 years now, and recently I demo-ed an 1100S and fell in love.  My wife -- who is awesome for this reason: -- is telling me to go ahead and get it.  Money is not (completely) an object, and for the moment the 696 will be the wife's until she learns to ride and is ready to get something she actually wants.

So I'm gonna bite the bullet and make it happen.  But I'm looking for opinions on mods to do right off the bat:

1) Slip on Carbon Termi's with ECU and intake -- did this on the 696 and loved it.  The wife doesn't like the looks of the full race, any reason I should fight for that instead?
2) DP Slipper Clutch -- I'm used to the wet clutch on the 696 and don't want to get myself into trouble.  Thoughts?
3) ABS -- my feeling is that since it's not an "upgrade later" option, I should go ahead and do it now since it's safer and I often ride in the rain and in the crazy traffic that is New York City & Brooklyn.  Anyone want to argue me out of it and save some money?
4) Steering Damper -- Dealer says the DP damper is no good, they're going to look into an Ohlins one but they're not sure if they make it.  Any thoughts?
5) Clutch Slave -- Dealer showed me a nice black billet one that reduces clutch lever pressure by 25% but I can't remember the brand.  Should make sitting in traffic easier on the hand.
6) Some cosmetics -- Black billet reservoirs, DP low seat cause I'm short, Rizoma rear-sets [been coveting these for a long time and since I'm spending the money....], CRG lane splitters, etc.

So start the $0.02 everyone!  Comment on what I'm thinking already and if you have other suggestions, go for it!  Like I said, for the moment money's not the concern.  [coffee]

Thanks!
 [beer]

1. you can get the 696 midpipe and the Duc.EE from Motocreations to get rid of the flapper valve so no need to get the full termi setup.

2. EVR slipper?

3. ABS, yes.

4. Bitubo from Bellisimoto

5. was the clutch pull too much when you rode it?

6. If you're still too short when you get the DP low seat, you can buy the 696 rear shock clevis and pull the forks through a bit to get the height down to the 696 level.

Theres a few people on this boat...but, share the 696, and save the money on an 1100S (they arent exactly cheap) and get a slightly used SBK. [evil]

The 696 and m1100 are so similar, its like having 2 of the same bike really. Power yes, suspension, you can upgrade the 696.

now if ur set on the 1100

1) Get what your eye and wallet likes.
2) The 695 "slipper" isnt a real slipper, and when you ride a real ball and ramp slipper over the APTC you can feel a big difference in how it engages. That being said. I think its a waste in NYC. I rode my friends 749 with a slipper  for a week, you lose out on engine braking, and the clutch wears much faster. the Ducabike slipper is well priced and solidly built.
3)You dont need ABS, but its a nice luxary. Theres THOUSANDS of bikers riding the streets of NYC without em. Your better of learning honing your braking skills. Riding in the rain is doable without, and is safer, but it doesnt rain that much in NYC anyway, i commute in storming rain where you can barely have 30 feet visual. Just need to be confident in your skills. But it sure is a nice luxury!
4) I ordered a Bitbuo from Bellissimoto, waiting for it to get here anxiously. I think they have one for the 1100 for $400ish
5)It doenst reduce it by 25% for everyone. I think it makes it smoother, but easier? not really. some people think it does. There are small bore and big bore versions and it changes where it engages., and quite frankly if it aint broke dont fix.
6) learn to live with it. Im short too.


I really do like the 1100S though! I wish i had the dough to trade my bike up for it!

I'm a little unclear on what you're saying here.  At Corsa on Saturday I was talking to the parts guy and he said unless I spend $2k+ on an STM slipper I won't see much of a difference over the DP Slipper for the 1100s.  Is there a different one you're suggesting?  The Ducabike splipper is even cheaper than the DP one, should I look that route?  Also maybe I can hold off and get a slipper later, seems relatively easy to do... I've done a lot of work on cars and the 696 myself.

Thanks for the input!

I agree with He man, I don't think the slipper will do what u want it to. It's not going to act or feel like the 696. My friend just put one his s4r and said he wouldn't do it again. That being said if you've got money to burn go for it.  I also agree with him on the slave if it ain't broke don't fix it. You'll amaze your wife with your freakishly strong left hand.
 What I would do is have the suspension set up properly by someone like ducvet.

When I demo-ed the 1100S (stock) I managed to stall it out while down shifting and using engine braking when coming to a stop.  I'm kinda fearful of stalling it out going into a turn I've down shifted for... BUT if it isn't ultimately going to make that much of a difference then yeah I'll likely forget about it.  The shop guys told me it's going to take a while for the shocks to settle in -- 1k miles or so -- so to hold off on getting them adjusted till then.  I also weigh only about 130lbs, so the shocks are definitely going to need some adjustment hehe.

As far as the slave goes, if it's easy to do myself later then I'll hold off on getting it done.  I'm looking at getting them to install all the more pita mods cause they'll give me free labor with the sale.  But honestly I do love doing work myself, just don't want to do something that could be a danger if I don't get it right the first time.

The lower end Ducabike one is pretty simple in design. i think it was 5 or 6 bearing ramps.
the stock 749R slipper is just a 3 ramp non bearing type.
and the DP one is similar to the low end Ducabike unit.

If the 1100S comes with a slipper, its probably the same type as the 749R.

Now whats the difference between a $2k STM slipper and a $500 Ducabike? not sure, i know the higher end one slippers have 48T baskets and plates isntead of 12.

but in the end, if you dont ride hard or bang down gears, you shouldnt need a slipper, though on the performance mod section, its number 3 on my list, and i have one sitting on my shelf.

I dont know what youre thinking about how a slipper works, but if your going into a turn, the ONLY WAY youd stall the bike out is if your engine siezed, theres a big ass rod preventing your wheel from physically turning, or you lost fuel/air/spark.  or of course your not going fast enough, or if your in the city, you just need to work that clutch ;)

i would suggest get abs, why? because overall its probaby safer in wet weather and emergency situations.

unless you are truly an "expert" and truly great at braking and can do it instantly without thinking everytime in any conditions then you don't need abs, but my opinion is that most people, including myself, are not going to outperform ABS technology even in dry conditions.  sorry but i personally have a hard time believeing that "everyone" that says "practice until you are good" are really that good at emergency braking, maybe some are but the question is really "how good are you?, and is it worth the extra 1100$ or so for the option if it saves you 50 feet of braking?".

the other stuff is mostly all bling, taht won't have as much of a direct impact on rider safety as abs may.  sure a slipper clutch may save you or a steering damper may also in some situations but if choosing btwn all three i would say abs first, steering damper second and slipper 3rd, everything else you mentinoed though really nice is not "as necessary" as much as the other three things.

but hey i could be wrong, good luck.

Completely DARK!! 
 




;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

My first Ducati didn't have the slipper, but the 696 does. has it saved a little wheel hopping on downshifting, yes. could i have done it better and avoiding the hop by matching revs, yes. does one NEED a slipper on the street, no. not IMO. on the track when you are pushing it and want to get that last bit of speed on the straight away before that corner... sure.

ABS, definitely is a street gift of the gods. i wish i had it. wet roads, tractorss throwing dirt from the side roads, etc.

130lbs? the common saying is the bikes are set up for 160lb riders. so, some springs are in your future.
oh, and when you want to get rid of that stock ohlins spring on the rear... let me know ;)

Wow, lots to think about guys, thanks!

So I'm now leaning more against the slipper clutch.  I've been driving manual for a long time, and the bike now for 2 years as I said, and I have never downshifted without using the clutch - and never had a problem of any kind downshifting except for stalling the 1100s (which I honestly don't quite know what I did to cause that).  The 1100 clutch does grab a lot better than the (or *my* at least) 696 but I'm sure I can just get used to it.

I think the ABS and steering damper are musts.  And I'll likely do the clutch slave cause while I like hanving strong hands, I've got enough to be pissed about while sitting in traffic waiting for people to learn how to merge.  [bang]

As far as "DARK!!" goes.... Oh yes, without question!  I'm going to get the white model with the black trellis, then swap over my matte black tank panels from the 696 over to it -- the wife wants white on the 696 anyway.  And I'll be going for a black & gold color scheme with the beating red heart of the clutch.  And now that I'm saving the $1,100 on the slipper clutch, I can put that towards the overpriced but beautiful rizoma rear sets I've been coveting for a while.

Thanks again all and keep it coming if you have any other thoughts!

about that rear spring ;)

Oh right hehe.  When the wife starts riding the 696 exclusively and not riding 2-up with me then I'll change the spring and we'll talk  [beer]

Make sure u pick up a rearstand. I wish I got one when I first picked the bike up. A 14 tooth front sprocket wouldn't hurt either.
  Congrats on your bike. I love my S

Is a steering damper really necessary?  I haven't felt even the slightest shake in my 1100, though maybe I'm not riding it as hard as others?

As for a slipper clutch, I love the sound of the engine braking on my Monster - wouldn't be the same without it!

My two cents, CDN...

+1 on engine braking!!!!!!!!!!!!

  I've never felt the need for a damper. I've had a couple of slappers and was able to recover, more like I let the bike recover itself. Then again I've never had a really bad life or death high speed slapper. Is $400 to $600 worth it for peace of mind? Maybe, Plus they look the balls.

Alrighty.... after some researching and more researching... I have a question about the dry clutch (seems to be my biggest ??? about the 1100 over the 696):

Since I sadly spend an ungodly amount of my time in traffic [bang] are there any concerns with having a dry clutch?  Should I focus on getting it well ventilated regardless of noise/rain?  If so, certainly I'll need to get some stainless steel springs and a vented cover; should I also get a vent-improving pressure plate or anything else?  I'd like to reduce wear as much as reasonably possible and I'd also like to prevent any kind of burning-out that might happen from having to slip the clutch in 1st while crawling along at 5mph.

So I guess the point is: help me get the best clutch for a bike that rarely moves while running [roll]

Thanks guys, you've all been really big helps!  Getting anxious to go to the dealer and get this thing on order!

... ugh I'm starting to annoy myself in my own thread by posting so many times...

How do you feel about that 14T sprocket?  They mentioned it at the dealer and certainly it's a cheap mod, but I kinda put it on the back burner because I did it on my 696.  It really helped the 696 around town giving me better power at lower speeds BUT it really made the 696 a bear when cruising around 65-75mph... just seemed to have to work too damn hard to stay there.  The 1100 already has much more ft-lbs down low but if it makes a huge difference (as much as it did on the 696) maybe I should go ahead and do it since most of my time is commuting between Brooklyn and Manhattan.

I like mine, it smoothed the lower end out. I think it's a good bang for your buck mod.
 
I can't comment on a vent-improving pressure plate. I'd just get the cover and plate you like the best.

IMHO Duc.EE + 696 midpipe does clean up the clumsy flapper valve, but I dont think it can be considered as equivalent to the Termi full system.

I've never felt the need for one either.

+1 Exact same experiences and thoughts here too.  

But ABS?  I've never had a bike (or even ridden a bike) with ABS, but I can see the potential safety advantages, plus its not something you can add later if you felt the need..... sooooooo.... I think I'd probably tick that box.

Heavier clutch action than 696?  Most are, it's not a big issue - I dont notice it at all any more.

IMHO a 14T front sprocket is the most improvement for the money that you'll ever do, snappier off the mark (less need to slip the clutch in 1st while crawling along at 5mph), less snatchy in the mid-range and all you lose is a little theoretical top speed.  

Steering Damper - twice if i had it, it would of saved my ass from crashing
ABS- not needed, but it is defintely a luxary. Good point on the fact that its not easy to add it afterwords. Again i dont think you need it all that much, but it is a very very nice luxury.

A slipper clutch wont make your bike sound any different, your still going to get engine braking, but any excess power that will make your engine jump even higher, will cause the clutch drum to run up the ramps and free up the plates.


A dry clutch...dont worry about overheating, venting or whatever, just ride it. But dont expect much life out of a citylife bike if you ride hard in the city. I only get about 10-15k miles on my clutch because of the way i ride. I like to excerise my 1000DS motor in the city. [evil]

So here's my game plan

2010 1100S w/ABS in White (w/ black trellis) with:
Termi Carbon Slip ons
Rizoma rearsets w/pass pegs
Lowered Seat
Rizoma Billet Reserviors
Clutch Slave Cyl [unless someone can tell me why easier clutch pull is a bad thing?]
Speedymoto Sliders
14T Sprocket
Competition Werkes Fender Elim
CRG Lanesplit Mirrors
Rizoma Lux Grips (Black & Gold)

Gonna do the clutch plate & cover too but I haven't decided what combo yet so I'll do it myself later.  The wife wants white & black on her 696, so I'm going to swap my tank panels with it to get matte black on the 1100s.

Annnnd here's a photoshop mock up:
(http://www.theatresm.com/1100SBlackDucModChain.jpg)

I'm not sure about the red chain... it's an expensive piece of bling, but if I do go with the open clutch cover, the plate will be red and I think it looks awesome.  Thoughts?

seriously try to pick up a 696 midpipe and by the motocreations DUC.EE to get rid of the flapper valve.
not a full system like Ung said, but still opens it up.

Yeah I'll likely give it a shot.  Why did they put that valve in there anyway?

noise emissions

Woohoo it's ordered!  Gotta get it shipped to the dealer in Manhattan from Maryland or something like that.

Anyone on here have an ABS Monster?  I'm looking at replacing the levers right away but I'm seeing a lot of places saying "These levers are not suitable for the ABS version"... anyone know what's up with that?

Can't wait!!!!  ;D

Thinking about getting the Podium Racing EVO III levers:
(http://www.bellissimoto.com/images/6507-0024-12.jpg)

Any FHE around here?

if u swap chains let me know, ill buy that chain off you.

congrats!

Magnesium Swingarm baby!!!   [evil] [evil] [evil] [evil]

(http://bellissimoto.com/images/monster_sssarm_1200.jpg)

(http://bellissimoto.com/images/monster_1200_LH.jpg)

Oh man... if I seriously had a crap ton of money, I'd get Magnesium engine cases & the swing arm and it'd be very awesome.  For the moment I'll stick with what I've got.  

How about we talk about those exhausts though.... cause... wow... I'd just need the headers and the cans, I'll get the Duc.EE so's not to need a new ECU... what we talkin??


The chain has been relegated to the "down the road" bin.  But certainly I'll let you know if it happens!!  [beer]


And for giggles... here's the most recent photoshop update... gone more gold & less red... and well see if you can spot the other difference...
(http://www.theatresm.com/1100SBlackDucMod.jpg)

Trust me I hear you loud and clear on the swingarm (I don't even have one on my bike yet!).

Anyhow when it comes to exhausts I would have to consider the: Arrow, FMF, or Comp Werkes to be my favorites on this bike.

Alrighty this is where I sit, any feedback before ordering is greatly appreciated:

1) EVR Slipper w EVR hardware kit

2) SpeedyMoto Tall Boy Clip Ons and top tripple - i like the looks of these over the Swatts

3) Podium Racing EVO III levers

4) Not planning on the Bitubo damper yet... I dont particularly like the placement.  Anyone have Kyle racing's Ohlins side mount damper?

5) Duc.EE

6) G2 Trottle Tamer... Any FHE around here?  Seems like a help in low speed city riding.

(http://www.theatresm.com/1100SBlackDucModDarmah.jpg)
 

No opinion - other than I probably wouldnt bother at all.
I've tried both.  I agree the Speedymoto Tallboys look nicer than Swatts, but I found the Swatts a better option in the end.  You might find this interesting (although some of it relates to 696, the setup for M1100 is exactly the same) >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=21407.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=21407.0)
With what else?  I have a spare 696 flapperless midpipe available if you're interested......

Let's chat about the midpipe.

For the Swatts I need to move the headlight yeah?  I read through the whole thread but never got clear about that or how to do it.  Someone should make a howto :-)

Those bikes of yours are beautiful btw....!

Looks a little like my bike
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_bZubCm3TvTE/S4B8ru1Fq3I/AAAAAAAAHsU/utcY2LaayWw/s720/IMG_0123.JPG)

Ung - if you guys don't work on a deal on the mid-pipe, let me know.

Oh man, I know.  Your bike is beautiful!  I didn't mean to copy but we both agree it's a good combo - Gotta do something with those gold forks!! Rizoma thinks so too using black&gold 1100s for publicity.  I'm going with flat black tanks and some other touches (Darmah skins!) hopefully to set it apart...

The bike looks great. I don`t see anything about getting the suspension dialed in for you. Bring it to ECS and let them do their magic on it.

haha... I didn't mean for it to sound that way, copy away.  I think you have good tatse  ;)

I saw some other black/gold combos on these forums I stole cues from, plus when you talk about plug and play parts there are only so many options.  I love the flat black, and those Darmah skins are great. 

I'd love to get my suspension dialed in more.  I've played around a bit but I wish I knew of a professional in the Charlotte or DC area's.  Where is ECS?  I'm 6'2" 220 so a little dialing is needed.

Yes and no.  For the Speedymoto toptriple you will find that the upper mounting points for the headlight force the headlight to be mounted slightly further away from (forward of) the forks, resulting in the need to space out the lower mounts to match.  Happily, doing so alleviates any issues with mounting either Swatts or Speedy Tallboys as far as space behind the headlight bezel is concerned.  As bigjilm discovered, headlight mounting position vs clipons becomes a trickier proposition when running the stock top triple.  Here's his write up >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=35967.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=35967.0) << The other issue is that Swatts are no longer in production.....
I thought that this was a reasonable explanation of "how to" >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=21407.msg447867#msg447867 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=21407.msg447867#msg447867)
Send me a PM and we'll talk.....
Thanks man  :).

Ahhh!   I've been looking all over with no luck.  Are the Woodcraft 3" risers the replacement?  They *kind of* look the same.  Also it looks like the SpeedyMoto top tripple is out of stock everywhere... are they redesigning it?  Sounds like the perfect solution since I wanted to go that route with clip ons anyway.

Thanks for the help!  Check your PM's!

i highly recommend the apex riser clip ons. they can get you about 2 1/4" rise. the woodcrafts are not 3" dispite what they say. its more like 2

Oooh haven't heard of those before!  Anyone with FHE on these?
http://www.apexmfg.com/riser.htm (http://www.apexmfg.com/riser.htm)

i've yet to put them on, but i picked up the sport classic raised clip ons from Ducati Performance. they are pretty tall.

monsterparts.com has the best price, but there is  a bunch of them that are mixed (53mm and 50mm clip on). so if u get it from someone personal like jeff@mparts then have him open it to make sure.

i just bought my 2nd pair and returned the first because of htis. i think they are a great set, very similar to my cyclecats. but adjustible x10. cheap too. and cheap to replace the clip on tube. (if u havent realize my occuring theme of cheap to buy, cheap/easy to replace and durable) lol

Thats normal - they're perpetually out of stock.  Took me over two months to get mine.

Question:

Part 1)
Is it possible to ceramic coat the 1100 exhaust with the flapper gate in the midpipe or do I need to replace it with a 696 midpipe?

Part 2)
Has anyone put the 1100 flapper midpipe on a 696?  If I need to, I'm thinking about just swapping the midpipes between my 696 & the 1100.  Aside from hindering the 696 exhaust, any negatives?

Part 2)
AFAIK nobody has done so. Why would anybody want to place an ugly, clumsy obstruction where currently there aint?  Although since both dennisd and I have successfully fitted 696 midpipe to 1100 >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28586.msg638477#msg638477 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28586.msg638477#msg638477) << I guess the 1100 midpipe would fit on a 696 if you have both and want to simply move the flappiness from one bike to the other.

Part 1)
I guess its... possible to ceramic coat the 1100 midpipe with the flapper in situ - although if you do it will never again function as a flapper should the need arise to return it to stock for some unforeseen reason.  My whole reason for researching the fitment of 696 midpipe to 1100 was for exactly that purpose, so that I could have the whole thing ceramic coated (to alleviate some o' that under seat heat).

i've only ridden on a superbike with an EVR slipper - and it was fantastic. Thanks for the guys at AMS "proving it was better" when I challenged them.