Ducati Monster Forum

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/19/ducati-officially-rolls-out-monster-796-monster-art-customizati/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/19/ducati-officially-rolls-out-monster-796-monster-art-customizati/)

Damned, they are releasing a new monster, looks better then the 696 (I just bought one in january) and they have a new Art Program for Monster.


Does anyone wanna buy my 696+??????   ;)

Derby!

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=36256.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=36256.0)

Either way, I wish they would give the option to keep the black frame....I'm kinda partial to it now on my 696.

And the megaphones stayed  [bang] i do like the style and the overall aesthetics but the headlight and pipe cross over just don't do it for me.  I bet u money the dealer who sold you the bike knew about the changes 
WTF is wrong with Ducati?

I did send yesterday a mail to my dealer, wondering what they will tell. I asked for a offer to take back my 696+ and sell a new 796 to me. I'll let you know what they will tell.

I've got to assume the 696 is on it's way out.  Isn't there like one horsepower difference between the two?

although the 796 will have some budget aspects, it's still not an entry-level bike. The seat height will be the same 31.9 inches as the 1100 (the 696 is 30.3 inches), and it also gets the five-spoke Marchesini wheels and curvy single-sided swingarm from its big brother. The fork will likely be non-adjustable. Although the 796 motor in the Hypermotard makes just one more horse than the 696, that power comes on much sooner than the 696: the torque peak of 55.7 foot-pounds is at 6250 rpm (just a gear down from highway-cruising rev range), where 50.6 foot-pounds from the 696 appears at 7750 rpm. So the new Monster will take up a niche not seen since the Monster S2R 800 was dropped in 2008: lower pricing and less power than the 1100cc two-valve model, but not as basic or budget-oriented as the entry-level bike.

And i think M696 = 80HP and M796 = 87HP

A beefier front fork would be lovely.

Define beefier. 

probably means stiffer... or better valving?

Q

Indeed. 

How can you tell from the bike description it needs to be stiffer?

I can tell from my 696.  It sounds like the suspension will be carried over.

Probably so.

Have you tried stiffer springs in your 696?  Stiffer forks are an easy fix.

+1.

cry baby owners.

I don't have a whole lot of knowledge in the specifics, but I had read that others had tried various solutions, but because of the stock 696 set-up, stiffer springs weren't an option.

No, cartridges and valve kit options are limited. Forks still have springs.

I've heard problems with cartridge upgrades and certain valving mods due to the build of the forks.  But springs shouldn't be an issue.

Contact Racetech or Traxxion Dynamics and inquire about springs.  They only run about $100 and well worth it. 

Thanks for the info!

I use Traxxion Dynamics a lot.  Give them a call and tell them what your issues are.  They'll point you in the right direction.

Have you measured your sag?  I'd start there to see how far off you are. 

I see they are going to put the exhaust butterfly on the 796 like the 1100 has.  Glad I found a 696 midpipe to replace my 1100 pipe before they made the change because now there will be more people looking for them.

I kinda liked the fact that the 696 had DSS, that made more of a choice and distinguished the 1100 from the 696 (of course I liked it better because I have a 1100).  And dang if they aren't going to put Marchesini wheels on it.  It really irritated me (and still does) that my 1100 came with Enkei wheels.  Not that they aren't good wheels but it's just more Japanese parts on my "Italian" motorcycle.

So now the "baby" monster will have a lot of the same features and almost the same HP numbers as it's "big brother".  Planned obsolescence?  Maybe the baby was loosing too many sales to the big boy.  And now the big boys sales might fall off so I wonder what changes are in store for the 1100?

Monster 1200 anyone?

still dont know why they dont go

696
+ 200cc
+ 300cc

now it's
696
+100cc
+300cc

seems too small of a displacement difference between the 696 and 796.
or even, kill the 696 and offer a low ride height option on the 796 and 1100

Agreed.



That sounds like a logical solution.

I think you have it backwards.  I think the 1100 was losing sales to the 696.

If the 1100 was selling better than the 696 where's the harm in that?  I'd rather sell more $12k bikes than $9k bikes.  

Given the 796 mimics the 1100, for less cash, it will rob sales from the 1100.  Which, if its selling better than the 696, is like shooting yourself in the foot.  You're talking someone out of a $12k bike to sell them something cheaper.

To me it only makes sense if the 696 was selling better.  This way you can get 696 buyers to cough out more $$$ for a step up.  Rather than give the 1100 buyers a reason to spend less money.....

any one know if any ducati single sided swing arm will fit on the 696? like maybe from an 848?

Yes, the 1100 is the one that is slow to move: Why not just spend a few more $ and have the streetfighter? Its got much more power, and a more committed riding position which goes well with the additional power. That's been the way the consumers have viewed the two.

Exactly.  Or get an 848. 

When the first S4R (996 version) came out my dealer had 2 of the for well over a year.  Couldn't get rid of them.  Nobody wanted to spend $13k on a Monster.  That's SBK money. 

I ended up grabbing one of them for a song they were so desperate to get rid of it. 

Might find some answers here:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=15976.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=15976.0)

Same thing here.

a m said:


I looked at a Streetfighter; in fact came close to buying one.  Then I remembered/came to my senses; I always liked the look of an air cooled naked MUCH better than water cooled.  Too much plumbing on a water cooled to be naked.  And, to paraphrase what someone said in another post; I don't need to attach a 150 hp rocket to my penis to make it bigger.  The 1100 has enough scat to get me from corner to corner.  IMO, the 796 will be too similar to the 1100.

That is exactly the point.  The 1100 isn't selling as well as the 696.  So they are offering 1100 style at a cheaper price point to coax 696 buyers into spending more $$$. 

I think it'll do fine, and I think that they'll intentionally make less 1100's since they aren't as commonly purchased as Streetfighters or 696's.

I still want a streetfighter 848... ;D

I'm glad they released the 796, makes me have a serious think about trading my Daytona. My first bike was an S2R 800, it was a great bike, a really nice balance and easy to ride.

I'm still crying because I can't afford a Streetfighter.  Damn I love that bike!   [bang]

 [thumbsup] on the Streetfighter 848... I would instantly sell the 695 for that.
I dont need a 696 in the lineup, they probably wanna drop it next year...lets see

From all the articles I have read, It is correct to say that the 1100 monster is not selling as well as the 696. The economy might have something to do with that.  I too think they will just reduce production of the 1100 but I don't think they will kill it. There is still a market for those who want adjustable forks, dry clutch, and + 8hp.

As for the 696, they still need something to call an entry level bike. What they should do, and I hope they do, but most probably wont, is drop the price 1G. The 600 and 620 were their best selling bikes ever, being entry level and price appealing. They were like the gateway drug to Ducati motorcycling.

I always thought my next bike would be the 696, but the 796 with its sss and wheels seem really, really nice...

                                                                     [bow_down]


I may even spring for that Corsa or Sport 100 kit...

I received today a offer for swapping my 696+ (bought it this year, only 1.600 km) for a 796. I need to pay a surplus about 1.600 euros. I'm not sure what I gonna do, I will regret when I don't do it but on the other hand its 1.600 euros and that's a lot of money.  ???

Ouch!  That does seem like a lot!

Look at it this way. The 796 is roughly $1000 or (800 euros) more anyway. All you have to ask yourself is, in the four months of ownership and the mileage you put on it, is that worth the other 800 euros.

With at least 1000 miles or 1600km on it, I would guess that is a good deal. You loss 800 euros the moment you rode off the lot, anyway.... Unless I read you wrong and you only have one mile on your 696.

well let's look at that.
you have had the bike for less than a year, rode it 1600km.
the base price is $1000 dollars or a little more. or about 700 euro.

so you are really only being charged about 900 euro for your use of the 696 over the last months and km's.
you could ONLY get that deal with a Ducati. any other bike and you'd be wayyyyyy more out of pocket.

EDIT: too fast for me. I was searchignfor the exact price difference but couldn't find it

My Kung-Fu is better than yours...
 
;D


On my computers dashboard there is a convenient little conversion widget. I use it a lot. Widgets are neat...

The US dealerships just got the price list for the 796.  $10,360 + tax.

This seems to be a bit high. It would have made more sense to drop the 696 1000 and price the 796 at 9499.

yeah but tell me where you are getting a .80 euro to 1 dollar exchange rate... i need some of that

According to ducatiusa the base MSRP for the 796 is $9,995 USD.

http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/en/bikes/index.jhtml;jsessionid=Z1XPBJ50F3Y1ECRNCB2SFEYKFUIHUIV3 (http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/en/bikes/index.jhtml;jsessionid=Z1XPBJ50F3Y1ECRNCB2SFEYKFUIHUIV3)

when I buy 696+ new it cost 8.500 euro and 796 will cost 9.100 euro. The difference is 600 euro, so they charging me 1.000 euros for 1700 km driving with my 696.

that.s .59 euro per km. and 1000 euros for how long you have had it, for the wear and tear.
personally, i don't think that's a bad usage charge. try pulling that off with a car. or even a honda motorcycle

796 is ordered, not sure when it arrives in Belgium, but I'll post some pics when I have him

Great choice, congrats! [thumbsup]