The new Porsche GT2 RS, 3020 pounds road ready, 620 horsepower. make the beast with two backs me that's crazy. :o
One please bar keep!
Why would that car need to be road ready? Why would you ever drive a car like that on the street? That is a race car. If it is driven off of the track it is a complete waste of engineering at best and a horrible mid-life crisis penis extender at worst.
If'n you can afford that car you can afford to spend some days learning to drive it properly in an environment that can handle that much car (hint: public roads ain't it).
sac
Whos to say that car wont see track time? You could also make that argument about the bikes we ride. S4R for the street? 1098 for the street? See where I'm going with this?
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 12, 2010, 08:26:20 AM
Whos to say that car wont see track time? You could also make that argument about the bikes we ride. S4R for the street? 1098 for the street? See where I'm going with this?
I see exactly where you're going. Every time I see a 1098 (or an R1, etc.) on the street I wonder why. No one is finding the limits of those bikes on the street. Its absurd. Those bikes are track machines. This car is a track machine. This technology is wasted on the street. But I guess it wins every bench race it ever enters.
sac
Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you to a point. A few years ago I was in a 996 series GT2 running it through the gears. Shifted into 3rd at about 90 in a straight line and it started fishtailing. Scared the poo outta me. A regular 911 Turbo will scare the crap outta most people too. You don't buy this type of car if you don't know how to drive one. Same as a 1098/R1 ect. Your right you will never be able to fully exploit that car on the street. But I could make that statement for any of the cars I work on. What bike do you ride? I have a M900. I don't think I should be riding it as hard as I do on the street but that doesn't stop me.
Quote from: SacDuc on May 12, 2010, 08:30:38 AM
I see exactly where you're going. Every time I see a 1098 (or an R1, etc.) on the street I wonder why. No one is finding the limits of those bikes on the street. Its absurd. Those bikes are track machines. This car is a track machine. This technology is wasted on the street. But I guess it wins every bench race it ever enters.
sac
we need to go for a ride..... and swap bikes [laugh]
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 12, 2010, 08:50:31 AM
Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you to a point. A few years ago I was in a 996 series GT2 running it through the gears. Shifted into 3rd at about 90 in a straight line and it started fishtailing. Scared the poo outta me. A regular 911 Turbo will scare the crap outta most people too. You don't buy this type of car if you don't know how to drive one. Same as a 1098/R1 ect. Your right you will never be able to fully exploit that car on the street. But I could make that statement for any of the cars I work on. What bike do you ride? I have a M900. I don't think I should be riding it as hard as I do on the street but that doesn't stop me.
I ride a little 620. Its as much as I need. I understand that some people need more than that. That's cool. I have no reverence for traffic laws and if people want to push limits of their bike on the street that's cool too. I hope they do it in a way that doesn't endanger others, but hey, have fun.
Here's what I find absurd: Cars and motorcycles bought for the street that CAN'T EVEN COME CLOSE to reaching their limits on the street. What is the point? I truly don't understand. Is it really just bragging rights and show off points one buys for all that money?
sac
Quote from: bobspapa on May 12, 2010, 08:51:54 AM
we need to go for a ride..... and swap bikes [laugh]
Why? So I can use about 50% of the bike underneath me? Its probably the suspension I would covet more than the power anyway.
sac
/we do need to go for a ride though! [thumbsup]
I like fast cars and bikes because I has a tiny penis. So sad. :'(
Quote from: SacDuc on May 12, 2010, 09:02:45 AM
Why? So I can use about 50% of the bike underneath me? Its probably the suspension I would covet more than the power anyway.
sac
/we do need to go for a ride though! [thumbsup]
[thumbsup] [moto]
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 12, 2010, 09:07:57 AM
I like fast cars and bikes because I has a tiny penis. So sad. :'(
Sigh. I'll try again.
I also like fast cars and fast bikes. But why have more power than you could ever possibly use? What is the point of that?
sac
Its exciting. ;D
If you would like to complain I'm sure I could dig up some PCNA email addresses for you. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 12, 2010, 09:17:56 AM
Its exciting. ;D
If you would like to complain I'm sure I could dig up some PCNA email addresses for you. [thumbsup]
Ugh. [bang] I have no complaint. None whatsoever. With you or your porschey friends. At all. I'm just trying to understand why someone would buy something that is not capable of ever being used. I will go ahead and add this to my list of questions I've never been given a straight answer to from anyone, right below, "How is your life appreciably changed from one presidential administration to another?" and "Why does an omnibenevolent God allow his believers to suffer horribly?"
Why does someone need more power in a vehicle than is possible to ever use? A great mystery of our times.
sac
sac, i think your posts belong in NOGAS [thumbsup]
Quote from: herm (not herb) on May 12, 2010, 10:04:26 AM
sac, i think your posts belong in NOGAS [thumbsup]
Thanks for sharing, your input means a lot to me.
sac
/still doesn't answer my question
Quote from: SacDuc on May 12, 2010, 10:06:03 AM
Thanks for sharing, your input means a lot to me.
sac
/still doesn't answer my question
why?
because it's available.
nobody needs all that HP or cornering ability. they WANT it. they want it because it's there and they want to feel taht power at their fingertips so to speak. they want it so they can tell other people how much better they are because they have it and can afford it.
Quote from: Major Moose Humper on May 12, 2010, 10:16:13 AM
why?
because it's available.
nobody needs all that HP or cornering ability. they WANT it. they want it because it's there and they want to feel taht power at their fingertips so to speak. they want it so they can tell other people how much better they are because they have it and can afford it.
Ah. Hmmm. Okay then. I guess I kinda didn't want to believe that. I wonder if anyone would ever give that same explanation using "I" instead of "they."
Anywho, that car sure seems to be quite the piece of engineering and styling there. I can certainly appreciate that about it.
sac
Quote from: SacDuc on May 12, 2010, 10:23:51 AM
Ah. Hmmm. Okay then. I guess I kinda didn't want to believe that. I wonder if anyone would ever give that same explanation using "I" instead of "they."
Anywho, that car sure seems to be quite the piece of engineering and styling there. I can certainly appreciate that about it.
sac
yes i would exchange the 'they' for an 'i' but i can't afford the big toys just yet. ;D
Quote from: SacDuc on May 12, 2010, 10:23:51 AM
Ah. Hmmm. Okay then. I guess I kinda didn't want to believe that. I wonder if anyone would ever give that same explanation using "I" instead of "they."
Anywho, that car sure seems to be quite the piece of engineering and styling there. I can certainly appreciate that about it.
sac
Its okay, I still love you. ;D
Sac....lemmee ask you a question....in regards to more power than you'll ever need or use...
how much more capable is the potential of your computer over the amount of what you use it for?...why have the extra ability?
same question with a different medium...but it still applies.
He is riding a 620 which may be considered excessive when a 250 will do the job.
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 12, 2010, 11:22:48 AM
He is riding a 620 which may be considered excessive when a 250 will do the job.
especially if his 620 does 140mph!!!...LOL
Quote from: zooom on May 12, 2010, 11:18:36 AM
Sac....lemmee ask you a question....in regards to more power than you'll ever need or use...
how much more capable is the potential of your computer over the amount of what you use it for?...why have the extra ability?
same question with a different medium...but it still applies.
Am I speaking latin or something? I am not saying you should only have things as powerful as you currently have use for. AT ALL!! The question is about what is even possible to use. I could easily max out my computer by downloading a zillion songs and oddles of freeware and then stream a bunch video feeds while playing WoW or some shit.
As for my computer, I run a little lap top that I can't load down with a bunch of shit otherwise my drafting programs I actually use don't run at peak proficiency.
Getting a car or bike with so much power you'll never be able to use it is like buying a Cray Super Computer. Its senseless.
But I'm talking to a wall at this point. I give up. Bigger is always better. Always. I'll go slap a booster rocket on my ass now. I'll never ignite it but I'll still tell everybody I'm the fastest.
sac
I have a bigger booster rocket. With termis. ;D
Quote from: SacDuc on May 12, 2010, 11:42:38 AM
Am I speaking latin or something? Bigger is always better. Always. I'll go slap a booster rocket on my ass now. I'll never ignite it but I'll still tell everybody I'm the fastest.
sac
I want video!!!
and in terms of what you are saying...I get where you are going...but you cn say the same thing about our ordinary cars as well as the supercars that we spotlight here...the fastest road in the USA is a legal 75mph???....what car with more than 4 cylinders is necessary then?....yes, I take the point to an extreme but to illustrate moreso what you are asking...your 620 is more than you need on the street, any street....a 125 or a 250 is more than sufficient legally speaking....
but this is America and bigger is better and faster is better and more is better....we live in excess with no real reason as to why...but we create alot of things that are answers to questions that are never asked in the name of excess....
Quote from: zooom on May 12, 2010, 11:52:22 AM
I want video!!!
and in terms of what you are saying...I get where you are going...but you cn say the same thing about our ordinary cars as well as the supercars that we spotlight here...the fastest road in the USA is a legal 75mph???....what car with more than 4 cylinders is necessary then?....yes, I take the point to an extreme but to illustrate moreso what you are asking...your 620 is more than you need on the street, any street....a 125 or a 250 is more than sufficient legally speaking....
but this is America and bigger is better and faster is better and more is better....we live in excess with no real reason as to why...but we create alot of things that are answers to questions that are never asked in the name of excess....
Who said anything about the law? make the beast with two backs speed limits. I've already addressed that. How about riding/driving ability? How about the the laws of physics? You simply can't use that car to it's potential on the street. That being the case, my original question stands, why would this car ever need to be street legal. Its a race car and belongs on the track with a skilled driver in it. I noticed the promotional video is on a track. Why do you suppose that is?
And I don't think the 620 is more than is needed on the streets. We all know riders good enough to find the limits of a 620 on the street (insert your concerns about how safe that is here). Hell even I've found the top speed on the thing (a bit shy of 140 if I recall ;) ) Of course I have a long way to go to find the end of what it can do in corner. But I'm sure I can get there. At that point I'll get a bigger bike with better suspension.
sac
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 12, 2010, 11:50:00 AM
I have a bigger booster rocket. With termis. ;D
[laugh]
SacDuc is a communist and wants to regulate what we buy.
someone arrest him!
Part of the attraction is broadcasting to everyone around you that yes, you are better than them.
Everyone already recognizes my superiority, so I will not need to buy this Porsche.
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 12, 2010, 07:34:14 AM
The new Porsche GT2 RS, 3020 pounds road ready, 620 horsepower...
eh, it still looks like every other porsche [coffee]
How about $140M for this?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/No._5%2C_1948.jpg/175px-No._5%2C_1948.jpg)
David Geffen sold it for that much.
I wouldn't hang it on my wall if someone *gave* it to me.
Since we are talking about outside the law then what's to say someone wont push it to its limit on public roads? What if someone wants a car they can drive to the track, kick ass, then drive home?
Quote from: Speeddog on May 12, 2010, 12:26:13 PM
How about $140M for this?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/No._5%2C_1948.jpg/175px-No._5%2C_1948.jpg)
David Geffen sold it for that much.
I wouldn't hang it on my wall if someone *gave* it to me.
Looks slow. No aerodynamics whatsoever.
Red is faster, anyway.
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 12, 2010, 12:30:48 PM
What if someone wants a car they can drive to the track, kick ass, then drive home?
;D
Precisely my plan for my Mustang. Can't afford the exotic stuff I lust after, so I must improvise.
A person can put a shitload of power to the ground on drag radials. ;)
Quote from: SacDuc on May 12, 2010, 09:42:54 AM
I'm just trying to understand why someone would buy something that is not capable of ever being used.
Because they can. I wouldn't waste much time trying to figure it out.
Quote from: bobspapa on May 12, 2010, 08:51:54 AM
we need to go for a ride..... and swap bikes [laugh]
Okay! [thumbsup]
Meet Sac and me in Santa Maria on the way up to DIMBY... [evil]
Just say'n... :-*
[bacon]
If I could afford it, I'd absolutely own such a thing and absolutely occasionally do stupid things with it on the street that I'd be called a moron for doing. Every vehicle I've ever owned I've seen the top speed of at least once and found out where the limits are. Not on a daily or even monthly basis mind you but when the evil itch rose up high enough in my brain and overpowered my higher brain functions causing me to do dumb but fun things. Having such a car at my disposal would be no different and I've lost my license in a far less impressive car, at least in that one I could hold my head high and be proud that I'm a moron.
Published top speed is 205 but it will do faster. Ive seen footage of a gps verified 214 on an 04. I also had a customer that would routinely hit 210 indicated with more to go. Saddens me to say that my customer would do this on public west Texas highways.
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 12, 2010, 04:40:17 PM
Published top speed is 205 but it will do faster. Ive seen footage of a gps verified 214 on an 04. I also had a customer that would routinely hit 210 indicated with more to go. Saddens me to say that my customer would do this on public west Texas highways.
That would probably be enough for me to break my string of see top speeds on my vehicles.
Although easily remedied by bringing it to an appropriate venue. [thumbsup]
At upper 140's the scenery goes by amazing fast, 200+ on anywhere but some huge oval test track must be absolutely sick.
What kind of speed you think it'd achieve somewhere like the Maxton Mile?
A mile enough length to get close to top end?
It'll get you close but I don't think you'll top out.
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 12, 2010, 05:03:19 PM
It'll get you close but I don't think you'll top out.
Doesn't matter, not likely to own one anytime soon anyway. [cheeky]
Quote from: lethe on May 12, 2010, 04:49:41 PM
That would probably be enough for me to break my string of see top speeds on my vehicles.
Although easily remedied by bringing it to an appropriate venue. [thumbsup]
At upper 140's the scenery goes by amazing fast, 200+ on anywhere but some huge oval test track must be absolutely sick.
What kind of speed you think it'd achieve somewhere like the Maxton Mile?
A mile enough length to get close to top end?
476 should give you a logn enough stretch. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Major Moose Humper on May 12, 2010, 05:40:08 PM
476 should give you a logn enough stretch. [thumbsup]
plenty of long enough stretches around but smooth enough for 200+?
Doubt it would take much to launch way off track at that speed. :P
Quote from: lethe on May 12, 2010, 05:43:39 PM
plenty of long enough stretches around but smooth enough for 200+?
Doubt it would take much to launch way off track at that speed. :P
it's the smoothest pa road i know of lol
Hey SacDuc,
I live out here in Colorado, and own a lowly '98 Porsche Boxster, which is a distant relative of that GT2, but I've had the honor of chasing those things around High Plains Raceway on countless occasions last year in my Boxster, along with other cars that are even more over the top.
Heck, at one track day last year, someone bought a Ferrari F430C, and drove it straight from the dealer to the track, and we all got to see the guy go around for half an hour straight with the Track Pro, and learn how to safely push the envelope of the car, little by little. That car is just awe-inspiring to listen to, and being passed by one at speed is glorious.
So you know what?
I have no problem at all with someone owning a car like the Porsche GT2, or the Ferrari F430's, or anything else, and I really don't mind them driving it on the street. It makes me wish I had the means to upgrade even just to a newer Boxster. It doesn't even need to be an S or a Spyder. Just the basic 2.9 will be fine for me.
I hope that I get the means to own one of these cars myself before they become illegal to drive on the street.
As for why it should be a track only vehicle, why should it?
If it meets emissions and safety standards, its none of our business trying to say that it doesn't belong on the street, in the hands of mere mortals.
Maybe things are just that different here in Colorado where there are great roads to drive cars on and test the handling and braking capabilities, and then the next day, go to a racetrack, and get your drift on, both in complete safety, with the world's biggest case of permagrin known to Americans...
BC.
It's clearly a carbon non-offset for the GT3 Hybrid they're building. Keep up the good work Stuttgart.
Quote from: Bladecutter on May 12, 2010, 06:24:10 PM
Hey SacDuc,
I live out here in Colorado, and own a lowly '98 Porsche Boxster, which is a distant relative of that GT2, but I've had the honor of chasing those things around High Plains Raceway on countless occasions last year in my Boxster, along with other cars that are even more over the top.
Heck, at one track day last year, someone bought a Ferrari F430C, and drove it straight from the dealer to the track, and we all got to see the guy go around for half an hour straight with the Track Pro, and learn how to safely push the envelope of the car, little by little. That car is just awe-inspiring to listen to, and being passed by one at speed is glorious.
So you know what?
I have no problem at all with someone owning a car like the Porsche GT2, or the Ferrari F430's, or anything else, and I really don't mind them driving it on the street. It makes me wish I had the means to upgrade even just to a newer Boxster. It doesn't even need to be an S or a Spyder. Just the basic 2.9 will be fine for me.
I hope that I get the means to own one of these cars myself before they become illegal to drive on the street.
As for why it should be a track only vehicle, why should it?
If it meets emissions and safety standards, its none of our business trying to say that it doesn't belong on the street, in the hands of mere mortals.
Maybe things are just that different here in Colorado where there are great roads to drive cars on and test the handling and braking capabilities, and then the next day, go to a racetrack, and get your drift on, both in complete safety, with the world's biggest case of permagrin known to Americans...
BC.
Yes. There are no good roads in California or race tracks. Wow. [roll]
Quote from: Jobu on May 12, 2010, 08:59:28 PM
Yes. There are no good roads in California or race tracks. Wow. [roll]
Point being?
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 12, 2010, 09:00:49 PM
Point being?
I guess you have to point things out for some people. Sorry man.
Quote from: Bladecutter on May 12, 2010, 06:24:10 PM
snip...
Maybe things are just that different here in Colorado where there are great roads to drive cars on and test the handling and braking capabilities, and then the next day, go to a racetrack, and get your drift on, both in complete safety, with the world's biggest case of permagrin known to Americans...
BC.
oh [roll]
If I could afford it, damn straight I'd get one. Just like we all bought a Ducati instead of a Yamahonkowazuki. We could afford it and wanted something different to set us apart right?
A 50cc Spree is all we NEED to get around, but that's not much fun is it [moto]
Quote from: vwboomer on May 12, 2010, 09:25:55 PM
If I could afford it, damn straight I'd get one. Just like we all bought a Ducati instead of a Yamahonkowazuki.
Who won WSBK last year?
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 12, 2010, 09:33:28 PM
Who won WSBK last year?
Spies. What's your point? ;D
I like this trailer better. [evil]
The new 911 GT2 RS: Awe. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1PNlZajtWM&feature=player_embedded#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
Quote from: SacDuc on May 12, 2010, 09:42:54 AM
Ugh. [bang] I have no complaint. None whatsoever. With you or your porschey friends. At all. I'm just trying to understand why someone would buy something that is not capable of ever being used. I will go ahead and add this to my list of questions I've never been given a straight answer to from anyone, right below, "How is your life appreciably changed from one presidential administration to another?" and "Why does an omnibenevolent God allow his believers to suffer horribly?"
Why does someone need more power in a vehicle than is possible to ever use? A great mystery of our times.
sac
sac,
I've been buying cars that I could never tap into the capability that is there for the taking and the 1098-R and the S 1000 RR I'll never ride them to there potential ......but every now and then I find a straight stretch of road w, no traffic and I can wind them out ( not the RR yet since it's not broken in ) in the 1st 3 or 4 gears and that gives me a hell of a thrill.
0-135 is pretty thrilling especially when it happens in about 6 seconds.
I don't need the other 50 mph.
Dolph :)