so I went to go put my front end back together today with my new 999 forks (courtesy of Taftonomos) I put everything together and found out that my spacer is too long so it doesnt allow the axle to go far enough in to line up the adjustment holes.
So I have 3 different spacers.
1 -30mm
1-12.5mm
1-16.5mm
My goal is to get a total of 24-25mm
as I see it my options are
A- Cut down the 30mm spacer
B- Cut down one of the other two and use them together
C- Buy a completely new spacer somewhere
D- use the 16.5mm spacer and buy some washers
I've found some washers at Mcmaster and they're about 10 bucks for 5, but havent found a source for the spacers themselves.
My questions are:
What is the best material to use for the spacer?
Are there materials I should avoid?
What would be the most cost effective solution?
Anything I'm missing/Not taking into account?
what axel are you using?
Hollow from an S4R
I know motowheels has billet machined spacers (not on the web site) that they include with the OZ wheels they sell for specific applications.
For an example; I installed those OZ wheels on a SC, and black billet spacers for both sides and the rotors were supplied.
I've got a 999 spacer, part #71311973A, says it's for an '03.
It's 21mm long, 25mm ID, 35mm OD.
If you *really* need 25mm, cut down the 30mm one.
Multiple spacers, or worse yet, multiple washers, are a royal PITA.
Quote from: Speeddog on May 22, 2010, 02:18:30 PM
I've got a 999 spacer, part #71311973A, says it's for an '03.
It's 21mm long, 25mm ID, 35mm OD.
If you *really* need 25mm, cut down the 30mm one.
Multiple spacers, or worse yet, multiple washers, are a royal PITA.
Hmmm....is this spacer one are you willing to part with? I'd be a lot happier going with OEM than jerry-riggin it.
Also, I put an extra "thanks" in the box so I put C/O Nick on it [thumbsup]
Yah, I'll part with it, no sweat.
I'm not sure it's the *right* spacer for your mix of parts, as the 999's had the 5-bolt front wheels, and I'm assuming you're using the S4 front wheel.
I'VE got 05 m1000 rims on it right now with full floating rotors :-) I'll checkthe bolt pattern this evening
yea, the 05 M1000 rim i've got on there is a 6 bolt pattern. I'm new to swapping forks so how does this impact what I have? I thought that I could just slide everything together?
I've got everything bolted up, except the wheel isnt dead center and the access for the lower adjustment isnt lining up with the hole for the axle
just did the 999 fork swap on my s2r800.
the 999 rotors stock have an offset of 5mm. your monster has an offset of ZERO, unless you changed that when messing with your rotors. What this means is that you will need to either space your rotors 5mm further out from their current location in regards to the wheel, or space your calipers 5mm closer.
I chose to space the calipers IN, as the 5mm thick washers with a 2cm outer diameter, and 1cm inner diameter were easy to produce. I also chose to get longer (and fancier) caliper bolts, as i was not comfortable with amount of thread in the caliper with the stock bolts.
As far as axle spacers go, i used my stock wheel, axle, and spacers. I had a 999 axle and spacers, but they were nowhere NEAR working out. I still need to drill holes in my axle for the compression adjustment. If you are using the same wheel, axle, and spacers as before you swapped forks, everything should still work, not sure why they aren't. The forks are the same distance apart, and the axle is the same as before, and the wheel is the same as before, so it should work fine.
the ONLY thing that i can think of, is you put your wheel in there backwards (wrong rotation). This would cause an off center wheel even if the axle and spacers were in there correctly.
The wheel thing was my first thought, but I triple checked everything. Im not using the same axle/spacers as before because I had a GSX-R front end so it's not quite compatible.
I got an S4R axle and it came with a 30mm spacer which doesnt allow the axle to travel far enough through. I thought I was going to need spacers but i think my wheels have some already from the GSXR swap. there are some pictures in this album of the space between the rotor and the wheel
http://gallery.me.com/afakhori#100500 (http://gallery.me.com/afakhori#100500)
let me know what you think. It seems like there is a 5-6mm spacer on either side of the wheel
(http://gallery.me.com/afakhori/100500/DSC_0029/web.jpg?ver=12747327220001)
Nothing wrong there. [laugh]
How wide are those fork bottoms where the axle goes through?
And are they symmetrical about the fork leg centerline?
do the part numbers for the S4R and S2R1000 axles match up?
if not, that axle might not be the direct fit axle for your wheel.
i believe the S4R axle is the same as the 999 axle, and is the only monster axle not compatible directly with all other monsters...
the S2R1000 (and 800) have a different axle... and spacers.
i could also be entirely mistaken...
can you snap a shot of your axle and spacers alone?
Quote from: corey on May 24, 2010, 05:46:11 PM
do the part numbers for the S4R and S2R1000 axles match up?
if not, that axle might not be the direct fit axle for your wheel.
i believe the S4R axle is the same as the 999 axle, and is the only monster axle not compatible directly with all other monsters...
the S2R1000 (and 800) have a different axle... and spacers.
i could also be entirely mistaken...
can you snap a shot of your axle and spacers alone?
Pretty sure most monsters pre S4RT/S w/ the 25mm axles are the same...+/- holes and finish.
Not sure about S4RT/S, 696, 796, and 1100 though.
Quote from: Speeddog on May 24, 2010, 01:20:55 PM
How wide are those fork bottoms where the axle goes through?
And are they symmetrical about the fork leg centerline?
They are both 2 5/8" wide and seem to be symmetrical.
Quote from: corey on May 24, 2010, 05:46:11 PM
can you snap a shot of your axle and spacers alone?
I'll have snapshots up tomorrow Am
this is the shot from the ebay auction i got it from
(http://i.ebayimg.com/05/%21BpSLRCwBGk%7E$%28KGrHqQH-DIEuWvcrU8zBLqrLt7SGw%7E%7E_12.JPG)
out of curiosity, have you tried using your GSXR axle and spacers? does everything fit bolted up that way?
Quote from: corey on May 25, 2010, 04:00:53 PM
out of curiosity, have you tried using your GSXR axle and spacers? does everything fit bolted up that way?
i tried, but the large side of the gsxr axle wont fit through the larger side of the 999 fork :-\
Have you tried mocking up the axle and spacer with out the wheel, and taking measurements (vs the width of the wheel bearings) to determine where the problem is?
It will not be 100% exact due to the fork legs not being settled properly, but may shed some light on which part is "REALLY" the problem.
2 5/8" is 66.7mm.
They're likely 66mm wide.
OEM Monster forks are ~44mm wide.
So, a spacer that's ~11mm shorter should work.
That'd put it at roughly 19mm.
Lots of ASSuming in the above.....
Quote from: DarkStaR on May 25, 2010, 04:37:20 PM
Have you tried mocking up the axle and spacer with out the wheel, and taking measurements (vs the width of the wheel bearings) to determine where the problem is?
It will not be 100% exact due to the fork legs not being settled properly, but may shed some light on which part is "REALLY" the problem.
Thats a good idea, I'll hoist everything up and do a mock up without the wheel. First I'll measure where it ends now, and where it is without the wheel. then i should get a pretty good idea of what it should be.
Quote from: Speeddog on May 25, 2010, 05:20:21 PM
2 5/8" is 66.7mm.
They're likely 66mm wide.
OEM Monster forks are ~44mm wide.
So, a spacer that's ~11mm shorter should work.
That'd put it at roughly 19mm.
Lots of ASSuming in the above.....
Well Nick I'd prefer to leave your ASSuming out of the forks.....or is it the forks out of your ASS [cheeky]
I'll have a better idea tomorrow but your rough numbers seem to make sense. Hopefully you're off by two mm and I can just use that 21mm spacer you've got so I dont have to pay somebody a ridiculous amount of money to mill this one down. Thanks for all the help everyone - the bike is coming together and I'm super excited to get back on the road!
i'm still dumbfounded.... my 999 forks went right on with my stock axle, spacers, and wheel.
Quote from: corey on May 24, 2010, 08:19:36 AM
just did the 999 fork swap on my s2r800.
the 999 rotors stock have an offset of 5mm. your monster has an offset of ZERO, unless you changed that when messing with your rotors. What this means is that you will need to either space your rotors 5mm further out from their current location in regards to the wheel, or space your calipers 5mm closer.
I chose to space the calipers IN, as the 5mm thick washers with a 2cm outer diameter, and 1cm inner diameter were easy to produce. I also chose to get longer (and fancier) caliper bolts, as i was not comfortable with amount of thread in the caliper with the stock bolts.
does this mean you did a 5mm thick spacer for each caliper? because i think that might be where my problem is. The spacers for me are on my wheel. so if i took those spacers out and spaced the calipers in, I should have the clearance for the axle and the calipers should line up right with the rotors.
I'll know more when i get a chance to get to the bike and mock up the axle without the wheel (prolly about 2-ish hours)
Quote from: djrashonal on May 26, 2010, 09:03:54 AM
does this mean you did a 5mm thick spacer for each caliper? because i think that might be where my problem is. The spacers for me are on my wheel. so if i took those spacers out and spaced the calipers in, I should have the clearance for the axle and the calipers should line up right with the rotors.
I'll know more when i get a chance to get to the bike and mock up the axle without the wheel (prolly about 2-ish hours)
yes. between the caliper and the caliper mount on the fork-bottom i have installed a 5mm spacer. effectively, it's a 5mm thick washer. 2cm outer diameter, 1cm inner diameter, 5mm thick. Two on each side, one for each bolt. 316 stainless, but that's just because it was available.
it will move your calipers 5mm closer to the wheel.
i am unsure if rotor spacing affects axle spacing.
OK so I measured how far the axle was spaced with the wheel on and where it was spaced when correctly placed over the holes with the wheel off
Wheel on: 4mm protruding on the brake side and 10mm on the clutch side
Wheel off correctly placed over holes: 2.5mm protruding on the brake side and 12mm on the clutch side
this leads me to believe that I need 2-3mm to make everything line up. I don't know if I have any play with the fork legs, or if i tighten them down in place if the axle will shift or it applying pressure to the fork legs could cause damage.
http://gallery.me.com/afakhori/100508 (http://gallery.me.com/afakhori/100508)
This gallery is new pics as of late last night/this morning. I snapped a few pics of the wheel and which way I had it going. the side that says "Front wheel" on it with the Red Grease around the bearing is the side the was facing the brake side. The bearing on the other side is recessed a bit (seen in the Pictures) and is facing the clutch side. If I flip that around the axle will go in far enough and everything will line up, but if I do then my tire will be backwards. Is that how it's supposed to be? or is that recess made for the spacer?