Ducati Monster Forum

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Check out the titanium frame & swingarm.  I like the custom made bodywork.  It looks lower on the frame which gives it an aggressive look.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/20may10_ncrleggera.htm (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/20may10_ncrleggera.htm)
The final bill: $140,000

Saw this bike in person. It's hawt!

Must have one.....checking lottery numbers............damn!!!!  :'(

Wow

I'm sure it's unbelievable to ride, and the BLING factor of this thing sets a new standard for a '10' on the 1 to 10 scale...

But $140K?!?  Uh...I'm out.  That's $ for a 916SPS, a 748R and a green-framed 73 SS750 with enough $ left over to build a garage to put them in.   [roll]

....and I would hardly call this bike "custom";  I mean, with a bolt-on fender and a coat of blue paint.  Come on.  I'd pull way more chicks and guidos standing next to the douchebag monster. :o

$140,000, titanium all over and you get plastic pee cups!?  :P

function first.

I like it , but 140k, come on.  drop the Titanium and its just a great looking bike at 1/4th the price. The tail is sweet.

140k is sort of inline with a custom chopper..

this thing has a custom hand built ti frame and swingarm, and also bodywork, also did you guys see these guys even made a new billet crank.. billet cranks? i didn't even think they could make that?.. damn

this bike belongs in tony stark's garage.

Titanium done be some expensive stuff.

People have been cutting cranks out of a billet of metal for a long long time.....

i think he's mistakenly thinking that billet means aluminum - billet simply means "machined from solid block", in this case billet steel, etc. No billet alu cranks out there.

Ok, lets say the thing is made out of 21k gold and diamonds, It's still a bike that will get smoked by a GSXR 1K. The whole custom chopper thing should be a thing of the past. When will people stop paying huge amounts of money for something thats slightly custom. Basically the design work is already done. Its not like they invented the wheel. Still anice bike though.

i doubt it gets smoked on the track by a gsxr 1k.

sure, in a straightline acceleration retard contest, it'll lose. like every ducati. especially a naked. But getting a bike under 300lbs and over 110hp is going to make it quite quick on a track.

such an apples to oranges comparison is stupid.  [bang]

1) It's not a chopper.

2) It's not always about speed, if it was, you wouldn't own the bike you do.

yes my mistake i did mistakenly assume that "billet" bc its normally used in connection with alum parts, had some sort of alum alloy crank.  but i guess you can machine a crank about of a billet stock of steel, but damn that has take a ton of time.

also remmeber mv agusta put out a limited edition f-4 a couple years ago that was 120k and it was basically just a normal f4 but with a lot of bling parts.

i give ncr credit they are great at marketing their "skills" of custom bikes and suchy.  their stuff may or may not be "worth" the price they are asking but then again is a ferrari really "worth" 250k new?  its all relative.  remember this is the only hypermotard of its type, so that alone may be "worth" the price of 140k to an individual who wants "the only" bike of its type.

I suppose they're showcasing their skills and products. It's an outrageous two wheeled advertisement.

Costs way too much for Joe Average, but cashed up customers might buy their stuff.

I really do like the 116hp/295 equation. A 90hp/360lb is a more realistic equation for my money.

Wow, I guess I stepped on a couple of your guy's nuts. I did'nt mean to tick anyone off, I'm just saying that  for 140K it better be the next best thing to sliced bread. :)

unless it's a slice of titanium bread it would even be close

wish I had stupid money though, imagine how little my 620 would weigh with the same setup and carbon fiber wheels

140 thousand dollars???!!. That's a brand new Desmosedicci and a Porsche cayman s! Some people are funny.

Not mine :)

Adding 20hp and removing 20kg (45lbs) from my Monster would make it a formidable street weapon.

Travman
How close is your bike getting to the NCR yardstick for power to weight ratio?

Cheers

$140,000 in the bike is probably using some IZ_ math.  It will end up on ebay for $50,000 some day, and still not sell, just like all the 100k choppers.


mitt

somebody on one of the palm frond islands will buy it at that price since its "prestigious" but not useless like a chopper.

I'm doing a lot of research on a lightweight bike..

Kamena did a 2v sbk chassis bike like I'm looking to build...

with no Ti frame
no ti spring
2 rotors that are NOT CMC
no carbon wheels

302 lbs.

And it isn't costing anywhere near 140k  [laugh] [laugh]

Kaemna ;)

http://kaemna.de/cms_en/tu_example.htm?&file=/cms_de/tu_example.htm?&ct=47 (http://kaemna.de/cms_en/tu_example.htm?&file=/cms_de/tu_example.htm?&ct=47)

I've got about $130,000 more to spend before I'm in that ballpark.  My bike is basically a stock bike with some suspension upgrades and some Carrozzeria wheels which save some weight.  The motor work hasn't been tested on a Dyno yet.  I'm hoping to see close to 100 hp, but there is no guarantee.

Durbahn is another that does the SBK 2V mix and superlight weight. BUT his site is offline. hope that doesn't mean anything bad.

edit: sorry stand corrected. it's a 4v 1098 and it's 305lbs WITH fuel  :o

[bow_down]

Pics, website. Please. (no oil or battery?)

http://durbahn.de/Web%201098.htm (http://durbahn.de/Web%201098.htm)

Does it explain the weight loss in there, and what they removed/added to get there?

Click on the 'flag' navigation on the left.

I did. I don't see where all the weight savings came from.

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V3-the Weight.

August 28/2008.

- incl. 2.5 Liters of Fuel    ( 2.5 x 0.74kg = 1.8 kg)
- fairing missing  ( Fairing is approx ~ 1.8 kg )

on the Scales ( inaccurate Bathroom Scales... the Bike might be a little more or a little less)
Front wheel 71.5 kg   -  158 lbs
Rear Wheel 64.5 kg    -  142 lbs

Total : 136 kg  , that's  300.22 lbs

When I calculated the weights of the Components for my rebuild in Winter 2007 and the weight savings I could "add" ( vs. my 999V2 ) and including the big open Q , which was the Frame weight ( I estimated the 1098 Frame weight 3.5 kg less than 999 ) I said to my buddies ( and maybe I've written it down here in this Web somewhere ) 136 kg is possible, including Engine Starter, Water and Oil, but without Fuel.


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Weights.

Ducati 1098 OEM : 196 kg including 15 Liters of Fuel.
15x 0.74 = 11.1 kg
196 -11,1 kg is 184.9 kg ( 408.16 lbs)

So 408 lbs is the wet weight of the OEM Ducati , without fuel.

So how to shave 108 lbs out of a OEM 1098 ?

It's not a secret, no mystery.

Check the rebuild Sections from 2007 on until today.

 


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A 1098 Semi-Hardcore rebuild weight Calculation:

Lets say I'd re-rebuild my V3 back to a level where it would have more Identity with a OEM 1098.
Of course each measurement would add weight, lets start.

- back to OEM SSSW Setup                                               + 2.8 kg
- back to OEM Alternator + Rectifier + Alternator-Cover          + 3.5 kg
- back to OEM Clutch ( or dry-slipper )                                 + 1.9 kg
- back to all OEM screws/Bolts/axles                                    + 3.8 kg
- back to normal Ti-Exhaust ( Acra or similar)                         + 2.2 kg
- back to OEM Tail with Subframe                                        + 6.1 kg
- back to std. Fueltank/Airbox/Air runner Setup                      + 7.3 kg
- back to OEM Battery                                                       + 2.0 kg
- back to OEM Brakediscs                                                   + 1.5 kg
- back to Ohlins Shock                                                       + 0.5 kg
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That's                                                                               31.6 kg  or  70 lbs

So we'd have then a 1098 with :

Real light Fork ( each Fork leg should not be more than 3.2 kg)
Ti-Exhaust
Light fairing, as mine
Mag or Carbon Wheels
Light Callipers ( Brembo GP Calipers which are~ 680 gr each )
Light Triple Clamps ( ~1550 gr )
No lights

The usual track rebuild. Such a 1098 should end up at 167 kg without Fuel.

Durbhan's work is really good...  I have some of his Honda stuff in my shop right now!  ;D

*poof*

i recently started digging through the their site and some very amazing products. lower mounted fuel cell, aluminum axles, subframes, bodywork. all very nice stuff especially the 2v sbk bike.

Hopefully my monster will be around 330 wet. Thats with no fancy wheels or any superlight parts.

That is also on a tight budget, and by tight I mean 1k for everything.

Now my bike wont make much more power than stock, but that comes later.

" Kamena did a 2v sbk chassis bike like I'm looking to build...

with no Ti frame
no ti spring
2 rotors that are NOT CMC
no carbon wheels

302 lbs "

Which bike is that?

http://kaemna.de/cms_en/tu_example.htm?&file=/cms_de/tu_example.htm?&ct=47 (http://kaemna.de/cms_en/tu_example.htm?&file=/cms_de/tu_example.htm?&ct=47)

Magnesium wheels...carbon fiber wheels...not much difference in $$.

That bike is very cool!!  [thumbsup]

OK, racebike.

My 1098 R is 363 lbs.dry.

Putting out between 175-180 rwhp .

99 lb.ft. of Torque, w, other than stock, Ti Exhaust and Race ECU , no other fancy aftermarket parts.

Dolph     :)

Have you actually weighed it, or are those Ducati's numbers?

Ducati also claims the new MTS1200s is 423 "dry", yet Cycle World weighed it at 475 lbs "dry". Seems the definition of dry varies quite a bit.  ;)

That's what she said.

bazinga

Ducati's numbers.

Although it feels very light when I push it around the garage.

Dolph      :)

I think Ducati finally converted to the same 'optimistic' weighing strategy as most everybody else.
Maybe they consider dry weight as shipping weight or something.
Quoting a weight without a battery seems pointless to me.

My S4 can weigh 270 lbs if I drop the motor out. Big deal.  [roll]

I consider 'dry' to be no fluids, specifically gas and engine/trans oil.
But all of the rest of the stuff is there.
Add gas and oil and ride away.