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Thought this might be of general interest........

Nice bikes.  Premium priced.  I wonder why he is selling all of them?


mitt

i like that s2r800! there are some NICE bikes on there!!!

+1  That's a helluva deal for a Gran Canyon with all of the goodies.

Nice fleet! Does make you wonder why they're all up for sale though.

I'm keen to see what he's asking for his 2006 SC1000. THAT is a beautiful bike! Kooky Zard exhaust, alpina wheels, and a bunch of other super cool aftermarket parts. Can't find a good pic link though. :(

I'd looooooove to have that MH900. 

Wow.  I'm now wondering why he's selling them too.  Maybe a bit concerned as well?

That MH is indeed bangin'  [drool]  Hell, everything is!  You know they're all in tip top shape too.

Wow, all are very tastefully done bikes.  I'm in love with the ST4S.
(http://www.desmotimes.com/Images/ST4S/left_side.jpg)

If i didn't just buy my S2R 800, i'd buy that at that price no problem. Almost, ALMOST want to buy it and sell my stock S2R to be honest.

Don't get me wrong, these are probably some of the mintest bikes you can get used. But he's kinda pissing outside the bucket on some of these prices isn't he?

Man, if he wasn't LT Snyder, we'd be having an absolute field day about those prices.  But since he is, he gets a pass (in my book, at least).  That said, people may very well buy them at those prices because they're his and because they're all well-modded and well-kept.  I'm interested to see how many of them sell, how fast, and at what prices. 

As others have said, it's a really, really nice fleet.   [bow_down]

It would be nice if the photo link worked for me !

Dolph

I just want to see the rest of the bikes he has coming soon!

The bikes aren't worth 35% more just because he's LT Snyder. They are all clean examples that would/should fetch the high end of what each model is currently going for. His "don't make offers, I won't respond" BS will get him exactly what he asks for. No offers.

not sure of the other bikes but the s2r is priced extremely reasonably for the mods. I mean i just bought mine in near mint condition bone stock for roughly $6k, he wants $7k and for gods sakes it has 3k mag wheels on it :o

If LT is selling all those bikes you can bet there is a huge upset with his personal life and/or business.  The details are likely none of any of our business.  Anybody who buys any one of these bikes will be getting a good bike, no question.  He knows what he's doing and he knows he may not get what he's asking for but I bet he's already factored that into the equation.  Don't want to pay the price, then don't. No big deal. I don't think you'll find a better bike somewhere else for less.

True, I just checked the Hyper which is way overpriced.

I don't think all of his prices are way off.  The MH900 seems reasonable given all the bling that is thrown at the bike.  The SS1000 seems fairly priced as well.  What gets me is his refusal to accept any form of payment other than cash.  So, unless you happen to live in the greater Pensacola, Florida area, you are pretty much SOL on buying one of these bikes.  I hope the guy is doing O.K.   :-\

that s2r is gorgeous.  [drool]

I'm sure all of those bikes are top notch and well maintained. The real problem when trying to put a value on a heavily modified bike is you've reduced the population of individuals who want, appreciate, and also value those same modifications. I'm sure LT knows this and is not looking for a quick sell so he can afford to be selective.

I kinda want to agree - I've bought stuff from him, and have his 2V book, and respect him of course, but why does he always have to be so cranky? I mean he's just a plain straight up grouchy person. I love that yellow 900 though. I'd be too afraid to go and deal with him on it because he seems so unfriendly. His website is full of unfriendly disclaimers.

  He acts like he is the only one in NW FL who can work on a ducati, and anyone else isn't doing it right.  That, coupled with the "high and mighty" rant about how his sister needed money but he's never asked for anything or been helped by anyone was the last time I'd ever looked at his website or bought anything from him. 

I looked, I laughed, I'm always buying bikes but he's crazy  [laugh] [laugh]

OK, gotta ask... Who is LT Snyder?

He wrote the desmo maintenance books and runs desmotimes.

http://www.desmotimes.com/mpics.htm (http://www.desmotimes.com/mpics.htm)

OK.. just saw his site...

 :-\

Good luck selling for super double retail...

It is funny because every other person on this board rants about how you shouldn't get your money back for mods you put on your bike... then this dude lists a 95 monster for $9500?   [roll]

It ain't like Rossi owned these bikes.  

Vin, you'd really wanna pay extra for a bike ridden by Rossi?!?   [laugh]

(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/images/rossi_crash_sepang_test_1.jpg)

(http://www.rossivalentino.co.uk/rossi3_crash.jpg)

(http://adeiwanst.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/rossi-crash.jpg)

(http://www.rossivalentino.co.uk/rossi1_crash.jpg)

(http://resources.motogp.com/files/images/xy/2006/MotoGP/n306906_156170_ROSSI+CRASH-1280x960-mar30.jpg._original.original.jpg)

(http://pix.crash.net/motorsport/360/381931.jpg)

(http://resources.motogp.com/files/images/xy/2007/MotoGP/QP2/n323902_196642_Valentino+ROSSI+crash+during+race._original.original.jpg)

I agree. The bikes are great but he is a person who happens to know how to work on a Ducati. He has no magical power he is just a good mechanic, who seems to be pissed off from time to time. I am willing to pay more for certain bikes, i paid a premium for my 03 M800 because it was my first Ducati that I sold and really really wanted it back so I paid what I had to to get it. It is special to me and me only, no one else here would  pay a dollar more than KBB but I did. I wanted it just like he does but he needs to realize he is nobody, and he makes himself out to be a jerk! my .02 ;D

Those are Dymag carbon/magnesium according to the description. Dymag carbon wheels are known for exploding at speed. The only carbon wheels to have are the BST. I've read quite a bit about the inferiority of Dymags. The Dymags take that bike back about 20 years at least with the looks alone, and with the inferior construction, are not the best choice. The rest of the bike is ok, but those Dymags would have to go.

Prices seem a bit all over. I can sorta get the ST4... but the 900 for $9500? Mine was $3000 less and had as much or more bling bits than that one. :(

Well, not like in the market.. so what's my opinion matter.

Good luck LT, I've got a number of items from him/his business over the years and it's always been good.

That MH900 is beautiful.
The PO of my S2R was a totally gorgeous creature that had it dealer serviced, I'll take that over LT any day.

I dunno. For me, it's not where the bike is serviced, but who services it.

A dealership is an entity with a number of people inside it that could be touching your bike. None of them know you. And it isn't theirs.

I'd much rather buy a bike from an individual that knows their stuff and lovingly maintained the bike.

Of course there's always owners who treat their bikes like crap. And there are some techs that are downright awesome that I'd be happy to bring my bike to any day of the week. But I feel like those are exceptions.


LT does have some high asking prices, but maybe he'll get his price? Then we can sell our bikes for more money. :)

I'm interested in the the ST4S, but I'm disappointed it doesn't have carbon fiber saddle bags or a titanium frame. 

Why do I just see Xs in the upper right corner of a box ?

Dolph      :)

WHEEEE! IMA DA TOOTH FAIRY!

I'll say this, I would absolutely love to buy his Monster 900, it would just have to be about $5,000 less.

You should see if he will haggle.  ;D

Ha! I think its best that he just knows where to find me, and if he really wants to sell, I would gladly purchase it for a fair price of around $4500. Honestly not many M900's anywhere, with any amount of mods are really worth much more than that (and certainly not in the $9500 range!)

Get it and put some BellissiMoto love into it! a new project once you someone gets lucky and gets your 1098!!!

on second thought, I REALLY hope you get a streetfighter and build that up! [drool]

Well I bough a set of new Surflex plates from LT.  Maybe I can say my Monster is an LT Snyder custom and raise the price to $17K!  [roll]

I find it weird that people are comparing the common used bike pricing.  Its not like L T is some random shmo.  I doubt many dealers can offer the level of tuning and care of their used bikes.

Plus, these bikes have been used to do his books.  Most have been torn down to the bolts and rebuilt with all the standard factory problems fixed.  How many used bikes off ebay can say that?

he is just a mechanic, there is noting special about his bikes at all. Anyone here coud build bikes to this quality, its bolt on stuff.

I agree, he is just a mechanic -- one that is very well regarded, published, and used his bikes for the teardown in his books.

I've met more than a few Ducati mechanics who recommended the DesmoTimes books for people to learn.  Moreover, he is directly involved with the community and writes, updates his books, and answers questions thru his website for free.  I am not saying other mechanics don't do stuff like this, but the only other mech I know of who offers this much (except hte pubs) is Chris at Ca-Cycleworks.  I look forward to the reaction when Chris offers one of his personal, maintained, and customised bikes for sale...

I have no connection with either guy, but I don't think it's fair to criticize him for not offering those bikes at typical market prices.  Buying a bike that's been torn down and built back up (and I assume not all of them) is a hell of a lot better than buying god-knows-what off of Ebay or Cycletrader or Craigslist or here and crossing your fingers that the guy didn't wheelie it every day and use piss instead of oil.

One common thing I keep hearing about Ducati mechanics (and several who sponsor this board) is that they are irritable, angry, etc.   

.... I can't imagine why...

I know of one other " Mechanic  " who builds race winning Ducatis and does custom work out of his Ducshop and and he charges his flat rate for his work.

He has National Class Championships to his credit and I'm talking about Mark Sutton.

But he will charge a fair price to you or the next person for the same work whether it be building a race engine , building up an engine or doing custom fabrication.

So I don't know why one guy named Snyder should command a premium to someone like Mark at the Ducshop.

Dolph      :)

Not trying to enter the argument (hey, they're his bikes and have loads of cool stuff -- priced heavy, but w/e) - but, Chris sold his MH900e last year for quite a good price and it was his personal bike  [thumbsup]

I've observed Chris sell several of his bikes. All for reasonable prices.

+1, I've seen Chris Kelley's bikes go for realistic numbers as well, and he's not perpetually grumpy.

I've met LT...and gone for a ride with him.

I didn't find him grumpy at all. :-\

2 grumpies make a good time?

I don't think so...

but a fair amount of time has passed since it happened.

So it's possible.

That S2R8 is sick!

I don't think you could buy all the mods for $7000.

It's like buying mods, and getting a free bike to put them on.

I would not buy anything from LT Snyder again. I had a bad experience. His attitude is terrible and he thinks he is God himself and thinks he is the only one who is busy and works hard. I read his for sale ads and his snooty attitude makes me want to throw up. Will sell only to Ducatisti? oh really. There are plenty of normally priced Ducati's for sale, I do not understand why he thinks his are worth more money.

Amen brother. I completely agree with you. Also, part of the fun of owning a bike is wrenching on it and customizinbg it my self.

I've e-mailed him about his SC twice ... Waiting to find out what he wants for it  ;D

Cheers,
Adam

Expect some rude, sarcastic reply when he does answer. Do not even dare to call him because he is far to busy to mess with a phone.  [roll]

His SC is gorgeous, and he doesn't have an ad listed yet - I e-mailed him 3 weeks ago asking when it would be listed, and again the other night asking if he has a price in mind.

Hopefully I'll hear from him at some point ...

Cheers,
Adam

I don't get the shitty comments about LT.

He has supported the Ducati community, and NO ONE has any complaint about his work that I know of.

When someone sells all their bikes, it is usually because something bad is going on.  And if he's asking too much for you?  Well, move on.   Plenty of bikes around to buy.  His prices are high by market standards if you are merely comparing prices off Ebay, but how many of those bikes sat in their garage for the last year and never had a maintenance interval done?  Versus being owned by a real mechanic who used them for his books?  How much extra is that level of care and maintenance worth?

I just can't believe the level of acrimony.  I've dealt with LT several times over the last 6-7 years and every time he's been professional.

I can certainly understand vendors in this market being cranky now and then, given the pissy and childish responses here...

Not sure if this was directed towards me, but I was just pointing out that I was trying to buy one of his bikes and didn't get a response. 

Cheers,
Adam

Buying a bike because a mechanic owned it is naive. I have done that in the past and have alway's been let down. I would prefer to buy the bike that sat in the garage unridden and unserviced. I would much rather do it all myself. That is just me.

Now, about the "Childish" comment. Everyone works hard and has responsibilities including myself. The last thing I need, want or will put up with is a snarky attitude from someone I am spending money with. He makes it sound like he is doing me a favor buy selling me parts. I asked him a legit question about his pricing and got the most sarcastic, rediculous email reply back stating that our business together is done. This after I just over $400 with him the previous week. Completely rediculous. I will not deal with someone like that. There are plenty of nice, professional people in the industry who will treat me with respect and gladly take my money.

that's not the point.  plenty of mechanics around.  not many of them have published maintenance manuals with photos of the teardowns.


i totally respect this part.  if he acted pissy with you, fine.  i don't know what went down.  but step back a second and ask yourself why a ducati mechanic is selling all the bikes he owns.  if you had some kind of job requiring you to own some things, what would it take to make you sell it all off?

LT has been a stand up guy for the Ducati community and has gobs of satisfied customers.  if i lived nearby, i would have him do my bike teardowns.  i do some, but don't have the time anymore (trucking them to Paxinos from DC is a b-i-t-c-h)

give the guy some slack.  everyone has a bad day, week or even year sometimes.  you gotta judge people on more than one phone call.

I hear you and do respect your opinion. I am not trying to argue with you at all. I personally will not buy anything from him anymore because of the way he treated me. Trying to figure out why he selling all his stuff and giving him slack because of it is not my problem. It's a 2 way street. Maybe he should consider what is going on in my life and the last thing i needed was his crap. He did not because it is not his problem and I doubt he would care at all if there was a bad reason why I had to sell my stuff all at once.

Again, I respect your opinion and really do not want to argue here with anyone. Have a great day!

If you think LT's bikes are over priced the solution is easy.  Don't buy any.  Someone else will or won't. 

Someone else will drink the Kool-Aide

Yup.  And end up with a top notch bike!

Say's who?

everyone who has ever had him work on a bike or checked out his bikes in person.

everyone.

Oh ok since everyone says it you're right

Yup!   [thumbsup]

The less people know the more they think he is a God. The more you learn how to work on your own bikes the less you think he is a God. He's not doing anything that anybody else can do to their own bikes.