Just heard on NPR: VA possibly exposed over 1800 Vets to both HIV and hep-b simply from trying to get access dental care??!! Really? REALLY?? These guys volunteered to put their lives on the line in serving our country and get exposed to life threatening illnesses because some make the beast with two backs is too lazy to take the time and clean medical equipment correctly?
Sorry, but I'm pretty heated right now.
Just one more reason why I no longer have any desire to stay in the military long enough to gain these benefits...
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 01, 2010, 01:56:20 AM
Just heard on NPR: VA possibly exposed over 1800 Vets to both HIV and hep-b simply from trying to get access dental care??!! Really? REALLY?? These guys volunteered to put their lives on the line in serving our country and get exposed to life threatening illnesses because some make the beast with two backs is too lazy to take the time and clean medical equipment correctly?
Sorry, but I'm pretty heated right now.
Just one more reason why I no longer have any desire to stay in the military long enough to gain these benefits...
Government Managed Healthcare...coming soon to a neighborhood near you
I just wanted to post before this gets locked. :)
I hate to say it...but the VA has been screwed up like this for years....ask a 'Nam vet who sufferes through the VA for Agent Orange treatments or any vet that has to endure the hoops of BS oriented around PTSD issues....the VA has a level of Beauracracy that is almost equal to that of Capitol Hill itself that seems to to be SNAFU naturally.
Quote from: The Architect on July 01, 2010, 02:38:30 AM
I just wanted to post before this gets locked. :)
I think people can discuss the issue in the news secifically without getting into political arguments so we'll see how it progresses....
but I originally thought the politics forum could work too so clearly I overestimate...
Quote from: Statler on July 01, 2010, 03:39:03 AM
I think people can discuss the issue in the news secifically without getting into political arguments so we'll see how it progresses....
but I originally thought the politics forum could work too so clearly I overestimate...
From The Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce
CYNIC, n.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
Nothing like that could ever happen here in the Civilised World, where healthcare is available to all >> http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/dr-jayant-patel-guilty-of-manslaughter-20100623-yyft.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/dr-jayant-patel-guilty-of-manslaughter-20100623-yyft.html)
Quote from: Statler on July 01, 2010, 03:39:03 AM
I think people can discuss the issue in the news secifically without getting into political arguments so we'll see how it progresses....
but I originally thought the politics forum could work too so clearly I overestimate...
I seem to recall some nameless individual propose a week long Politics thread for every Ciggie DP enjoys from here on out.......whatever happened to that particularly brilliant idea?
Quote from: RAT900 on July 01, 2010, 02:35:26 AM
Government Managed Healthcare...coming soon to a neighborhood near you
its already here its called Medicare. if you don't like gov managed healthcare stop Medicare first.
Quote from: sbrguy on July 01, 2010, 04:40:37 AM
its already here its called Medicare. if you don't like gov managed healthcare stop Medicare first.
that's as likely to happen as it is to see anything serious moneywise from Social Security by the time I get anywhere near close to retiring....LOL
oh wait...I won't have to worry about that since the world is ending in 2012!...LOL
Quote from: sbrguy on July 01, 2010, 04:40:37 AM
its already here its called Medicare. if you don't like gov managed healthcare stop Medicare first.
good point...a marvelous program
Didn't the big VA Hospital in DC have some severe issues a few years back?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 01, 2010, 05:09:16 AM
Didn't the big VA Hospital in DC have some severe issues a few years back?
you mean the one that is now closed off of North Capitol ( which name I can't remember), or the Hospital that is in process of closing ( Walter Reed ), or something at Bethesda Naval?
Quote from: zooom on July 01, 2010, 05:16:14 AM
you mean the one that is now closed off of North Capitol ( which name I can't remember), or the Hospital that is in process of closing ( Walter Reed ), or something at Bethesda Naval?
Walter Reid..........that's it.
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 01, 2010, 01:56:20 AM
Just heard on NPR: VA possibly exposed over 1800 Vets to both HIV and hep-b simply from trying to get access dental care??!! Really? REALLY?? These guys volunteered to put their lives on the line in serving our country and get exposed to life threatening illnesses because some make the beast with two backs is too lazy to take the time and clean medical equipment correctly?
Sorry, but I'm pretty heated right now.
Just one more reason why I no longer have any desire to stay in the military long enough to gain these benefits...
:-\
they will send out an email to every employee and then it will disaper......
its sad, but true...i see it happen all the time.....they will be up our butts in the whole hospital for like a week to clean and people will inspect and then leave...
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 01, 2010, 05:09:16 AM
Didn't the big VA Hospital in DC have some severe issues a few years back?
awhile back...i believe people were getting Hep C from uncleaned equipment as well...or something of that sort...or something....
My father-in-law gets good care through the VA. He had cancer from exposure to Agent Orange, as well as diabetes. He has no complaints.
Quote from: rgramjet on July 01, 2010, 04:15:47 AM
I seem to recall some nameless individual propose a week long Politics thread for every Ciggie DP enjoys from here on out.......whatever happened to that particularly brilliant idea?
Was it a crack smoking redneck carpenter? ;D
Mighta been.....
Just trying to help a brother out. ;D
We starting today? Each ciggie=1 week??
Quote from: rgramjet on July 01, 2010, 01:35:28 PM
Mighta been.....
Just trying to help a brother out. ;D
We starting today? Each ciggie=1 week??
Nope...
We could though...you just gave me renewed incentive. ;)
[keep in mind the other flounders would ban you anyway. ;D]
I think they would see the Greater Good of such an arrangement.......they seem like a reasonable bunch! [thumbsup]
Quote from: rgramjet on July 01, 2010, 01:46:15 PM
I think they would see the Greater Good of such an arrangement.......they seem like a reasonable bunch! [thumbsup]
Most of them are...
I could use the VA but after the absolute shit that they have put my grandfather through, I would choose the county run general hospital that takes food stamps or crack rocks in trade for exams and will take hookers for most other procedures they do.
I think it all depends on who you see and your attitude in the VA. Take for example my friend Neill who passed away 2 years ago. He was blown up in a helicopter in vietnam, literally blown up. He did 3 tours and had decorations up the ying yang. He lived and walked with the use of canes from 1969 till 2008 because of the VA care for him. He fathered 3 lovely kids and had a great wife. He rode a motorcyle but fell of often. The VA gave him life after his injuries. The shrapnel went up through his feet his legs his pelvis and his spine. There were still bits in him the could not remove due to it would sever his spinal cord. He was in the VA flat on his back for over a year.He received world class care here in Portland Oregon.Maybe he just had a great team he saw I don't know. There is nothing wrong with govt managed healthcare. It is the docs, nurses and staff that make the decisions anyway. I had private ins for 20 years and some companies were nightmares to deal with. My daughter almost died due to some stupid doctor giving her the wrong meds for seeizures. I told them her symptons and he ignored me. I took her back 3 times as she was going into anaflxic shock and the make the beast with two backs stil said "nothing wrong". I took her to the emergency room instead and a great nurse said thats a reaction to meds what is she on ? I told her she made a call, and within a day my daughter was better. It all depends on the doctor. Don't blame everything on the govt, democrat or republican. That is not fair.
i used to pregnant dog about the VA too. still do. and while it has definitely had some major screw ups/ horror stories and bureaucratic nightmares, it was recently pointed out to me that the press never covers all of the good that the agency does.
so, not saying its perfect.....but willing to consider the other side of the coin.
Quote from: herm on July 02, 2010, 01:02:36 PM
i used to pregnant dog about the VA too. still do. and while it has definitely had some major screw ups/ horror stories and bureaucratic nightmares, it was recently pointed out to me that the press never covers all of the good that the agency does.
so, not saying its perfect.....but willing to consider the other side of the coin.
Oh believe me, I understand the concept behind the ratings. Bad press sells, so that is what the press sells to us.
I just can't get over the fact that so many people were put at risk of being exposed to HIV simple because some of the dental techs did not want to clean the equipment to spec.
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 02, 2010, 06:39:18 PM
I just can't get over the fact that so many people were put at risk of being exposed to HIV simple because some of the dental techs did not want to clean the equipment to spec.
Then that would be on the Active Duty personnel working that job, not necessarily the VA. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 02, 2010, 06:43:00 PM
Then that would be on the Active Duty personnel working that job, not necessarily the VA. ;)
from what i saw the doctors and dentists on active duty were pretty bad too. but that was about 20 years ago.
Quote from: ngk12 on July 02, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
from what i saw the doctors and dentists on active duty were pretty bad too. but that was about 20 years ago.
That could be anywhere. ;)
so the consenus is dont blame the govt.Good. In China they sometimes clean the needles between patients.
Quote from: badgalbetty on July 03, 2010, 08:38:51 PM
so the consenus is dont blame the govt.Good. In China they sometimes clean the needles between patients.
i don't think that is/was the consensus. everyone knows the VA has had some spectacular make the beast with two backs ups. few people however, are honest enough/generous enough to allow for all the good the agency does, despite the bureaucracy.