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Title: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: ducatiz on August 03, 2010, 05:27:52 AM
You have $10,000 to build your dream bike.

Post links to everything you purchase.

Yes, just $10,000.  Install labor is free, but paint, fabrication, engine work (i.e. head, crank, etc) work is not

You can buy any bike and customize it, but:

1.  It must be a Ducati.
2.  It can be any year or model.
3.  All parts must be commercially available or custom, but you have to post a link or info about the part(s).
4.  Must be either STREET or TRACK.
5.  Your starting bike should be as close to stock as possible.

the point is to show off what your "bike bucket" list is and what you'd do if you could.

JFF = just for fun



Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: ducatiz on August 03, 2010, 05:32:06 AM
This is the bike I would start with:

1997 900ss CR
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290458379467 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290458379467)

10,000 - 3,999 = 6000

SIL header
http://www.spareshack.com/products/230/900SS-carb-91-98-Sil-motor-Spaghetti-Style-Headers.php (http://www.spareshack.com/products/230/900SS-carb-91-98-Sil-motor-Spaghetti-Style-Headers.php)

6000- 915 = 4100

Sharkskinz mono seat ($250) plus pads ($180) plus paint (200) = $630
Raceparts rearsets ($150)
HC pistons ($650)
Heads ported and flowed with the SIL exhaust ($800)
Nichols flywheel $450?
Bucci alu clutch $500
SIL high mount CF cans $800


will finish later... :D

i think 10 grand was a lot to start with.. not much of a challenge.. maybe drop it to $5K?


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: Jaman on August 03, 2010, 07:03:41 AM
^^ it makes me a little sad to see a beauty like that with so few miles of enjoyment...

speaking of dreambikes with too few (s)miles...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-Ducati-996SPS-1134-Full-Ohlins-Mint-NO-RESERVE-/160461348490?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item255c3dde8a (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-Ducati-996SPS-1134-Full-Ohlins-Mint-NO-RESERVE-/160461348490?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item255c3dde8a)

and speaking of dreambikes for under $10k... http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=40704.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=40704.0)
 needs nuthin'. [thumbsup]


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: MotoCreations on August 03, 2010, 07:05:41 AM

Starting point: 1965 Ducati 250cc Scrambler -- $250

mods: remove and sell everything except for the engine and front/rear hubs ($244 to use elsewhere -- profit!)

build:

- motocreations 1934 Rudge frame but configured for Ducati single engine -- $1400 (mostly labor costs)
- motocreations girder fork w/shock and friction dampners -- $1800 (mostly labor / jigging to build)
- speedwell seat -- $145 (eBay)
- seat shock/spring -- $150 (eBay)
- rebuild Ducati engine with extensive mods (www.ducatiphoenix.com (http://) -- $1500)
- racing carb with velocity stack -- $400 (eBay)
- Buchanan relaced 21in wheels -- $800
- 21in Avon Speedway tires -- $300 (parts unlimited0
- re-line brake pads -- $55 (Tacoma Brake)
- reverse pull brake/clutch handles -- free (from Poland swapmeet)
- choke lever, decompression lever etc -- parts box
- custom headlight / taillight -- $800 (labor costs plus vintage lenses)
- motocreations aluminum fuel tank -- $1000
- custom fabricated rearsets / pegs (parts bin and some fabrication) -- $500
- cloth wiring - $200 (ask Stuart/FlightCycles)
- old fuse panel setup -- free (from UK swapmeet)
- steering dampner (friction) -- parts bin special with machined adjustment knob - $100
- paint -- leftover from a 1933 Alfa Romeo P3 racer (very dark red) -- free!
- sign painted graphics -- $500 (Dunn?)
- Ducati logos -- $600 (SeaCast in Seattle) to get cast in stainless and will enamel myself
- misc electrical -- $250
- steering tube bearings -- $125 (Tacoma Bearing & Screw)
- gauges -- custom made using vintage lens/faces  (myself)
- gauge cables -- $22

When done -- something that maybe Tazio Nuvolari (remember he was a famous motorcycle racer before becoming Italy's most famous racecar driver) might have ridden for the Scuderia Ferrari in @1935 and if powered by a Ducati racing engine.  Of course after building the first one the second one is easier and faster to build (and will be yellow or Ducati red and with a normal fork on it...)

Goal: to build something very different that is fun/unique and will get magazine coverage (already booked) for under $10K total outlay. 

Hint -- see signature below





Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: Ducatl on August 03, 2010, 11:39:21 AM
There are so many I'd like to do but here's one..

3-phase Carb model monster 750 selling everything but motor- $700?

Custom superlow hardtail trellis frame with single upper tube until rear wheel and round tube continuous axle plates like acme choppers, really tight fitment and clearances, built for skinny rear wheel - $1200

Custom tapered-tube style girder fork- $1000

Penske shock for fork- $600

Twin alloy tanks, 1 gas/1 electric - $1500

Custom 40 spoke 4.5" front hub drilled for single 5 bolt rotor, SS spokes and 18" alloy wheel- $500

Custom 18" 40 spoke 4.5" rear with sportster drum/sprocket combo- $300

Single Brembo race rotor- $300

Single 1098 caliper- $150

ISR master- $400

top clamp with integrated bars and internal throttle- $400

custom foot clutch with suicide shift- $200

Custom a123 battery- $100

Firestone replica rubber- $300

Custom Ribbed rear fender with small integrated tail light- $300

Custom solo seat with small shock and linkage- $200

Crime Scene Choppers Rapide headlight- $300

Misc wiring/lines- $200

Vintage carbs- $250

Paint/coat with the last $1000





Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: He Man on August 03, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
2004 749S Crashed ~$800 thats the buyback price for my friends crashed 749S. Engine has been blueprinted and balanced already, includes Ducabike Slipper clutch and a bunch of other rashed up parts that are still good. But most of it will be sold off to help offset the budget.

and since ducatiz is doing 15,000 im doing $15,000 too...  [evil]

This is actually what im going to do with it since im on an actual $2500 budget...
1098 forks + calipers - $800
Aluminum subframe - $350
ECU Flash (guages are destroyed) - $400
FP Racing Levers - $165
Nose fairing frame- $150
Armored Bodies fairing - $650
Total $2515 Which is right where i am at as far as budget goes.... now what else would i do with the rest of my $11,685?

Berringer Rotors Cast Iron $1050
http://www.bellissimoto.com/BeringerRotorsandKits.html (http://www.bellissimoto.com/BeringerRotorsandKits.html)

GPR steering Damper $500
http://www.bellissimoto.com/GPRDampers.html (http://www.bellissimoto.com/GPRDampers.html)

Woodcraft Rearsets $350
http://www.bellissimoto.com/WoodcraftRearsets.html (http://www.bellissimoto.com/WoodcraftRearsets.html)

Matris F05-R 1098 Fork Kit $1300
http://www.bellissimoto.com/MatrisForkKits.html (http://www.bellissimoto.com/MatrisForkKits.html)

Matris M05-R shock $1500

Kyle Racing Throttle Tube $100
http://www.shop.kyleusa.com/product.sc?productId=252&categoryId=58 (http://www.shop.kyleusa.com/product.sc?productId=252&categoryId=58)

Quat D SS exhaust $1350+800 (will get a custom header with it, maybe $800 bucks for the header?
http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1219 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1219)|749%2F999%20%20Superbike&productID=4761&showDetail=1&categoryID=668|749%2F999%20Exhaust&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168|European%20Motorcycle%20Parts

Kyle Racing 30mm Triples (yea it says 1098 but they also make them for 749, if not MW has them too) $850
http://www.shop.kyleusa.com/product.sc?productId=304&categoryId=58 (http://www.shop.kyleusa.com/product.sc?productId=304&categoryId=58)


This leaves me at $7800 bucks total and $3885 to spend, so it ends up either as Carbon Fiber wheels or a bunch of tires... if we are playing with $10000, that only leaves me with $2200 which in that case, I would use it on trackdays and tires. Carbon Fiber wheels can eat my dust. 

BST Carbon FIber wheels (yes for 1098 also, but thye make htem for 999) $3500
http://www.bellissimoto.com/BSTWheels.html (http://www.bellissimoto.com/BSTWheels.html)


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: ducatiz on August 03, 2010, 02:28:03 PM
It is cool how people spend for their dream bike


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: MotoCreations on August 03, 2010, 04:21:17 PM
It is cool how people spend for their dream bike


with budgets of under $10K (or $15K)

If price was no object -- the extra Desmosedichi engine needs a custom chromoly chassis, restyled carbonfiber bodywork and a few other additions... and a slightly difference "stance/attitude adjustment" in my opinion. Can you say "DesmoDevil-sedichi"... [evil]  (too bad the engine isn't actually mine)


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: ducatiz on August 03, 2010, 04:30:38 PM
with budgets of under $10K (or $15K)

If price was no object -- the extra Desmosedichi engine needs a custom chromoly chassis, restyled carbonfiber bodywork and a few other additions... and a slightly difference "stance/attitude adjustment" in my opinion. Can you say "DesmoDevil-sedichi"... [evil]  (too bad the engine isn't actually mine)

having a limited budget makes it more interesting because people have to make choices.

what's more important?  or what does one THINK is more important?



Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: He Man on August 04, 2010, 05:18:13 PM
depends on how your economic situation looks.

I dont have a lot of money, in fact ive never been as broke as I am today. And owning a ducati doesnt help for sure. which is why i do most of my own things, so i cant justify spending $350 on rizoma levers, when FP racing levers are half the price and function the same. If you have a budget to spend, spend it on something that is worth spending on..suspension, not NCR clutch covers that are over priced [evil]

if you want to drop the price down to 5k, then just delete everything i spent on shit i wouldnt buy anyway cause i cant afford it. and stic kwith


749S $800
actual mods, or really parts i have to replace because they no longer work $2500
remaining $1700 would be enough to pay for a years worth of trackday expenses + tires.


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: Javamoose on August 04, 2010, 06:48:42 PM
Done (http://www.ducatiusa.com/bikes/monster/796/index.do). I would be happy.  [moto]


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: Travman on August 05, 2010, 04:10:08 PM
I haven't priced it out, but my dream bike would something similar to this Radical Ducati.

Superbike frame
S2R swingarm
Air-cooled engine
V-Rod headlight
Custom bodywork
Custom Exhaust
(http://blog.radicalducati.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/imola19.jpg)

I've got a hunch that it would be hard to keep it under $10K, but maybe I could do it by finding the parts cheap enough over a period of time and staying away from the high dollar stuff like the Ohlins shock. 


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: ducatiz on August 06, 2010, 05:18:07 AM
For 10k?


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: ducatiz on August 06, 2010, 05:49:35 AM

No. But knowing of the existence of this motorcycle precludes me from dreaming of others.

I can delete the post if it doesn't fit in the thread.

sac

whole point is what can you do for 10 grand...not what can you go out and buy from someone else..  [roll]


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: SacDuc on August 06, 2010, 05:57:10 AM
whole point is what can you do for 10 grand...not what can you go out and buy from someone else..  [roll]


Okay dude. Chill a bit, no need to get all eye rolly on me. I'll delete the previous posts. No worries.  [beer]

sac


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: Triple J on August 06, 2010, 06:07:56 AM
I'd start with my existing 748 trackbike since I couldn't make anything I'd consider a "dream" Ducati for $10K, unless the bike was free.

It would be track only, as any dream Ducati should be made for the track IMO.

'02 748S: Free  ;D
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/JJGeo/IMG_1268.jpg)

Pierobon 748 F02 Frame: ~$4,500
http://www.pierobonframes.com/foto.asp?foto=pf009&nFoto=1&pag=1 (http://www.pierobonframes.com/foto.asp?foto=pf009&nFoto=1&pag=1)

OZ Forged Aluminum Wheelset: ~$1,864
http://tinyurl.com/284cj3q (http://tinyurl.com/284cj3q)

Aluminum Subframe: $475
http://tinyurl.com/2co39ea (http://tinyurl.com/2co39ea)

Speedymoto Adj. Clip-Ons: $225
http://tinyurl.com/2dm6wp6 (http://tinyurl.com/2dm6wp6)

Motowheels Billet Aluminum 30mm Offset Triple Clamp Set: $800
http://tinyurl.com/25kmgpg (http://tinyurl.com/25kmgpg)

ETI Kevlar Fuel Cell: $1,270
http://tinyurl.com/29s9xdd (http://tinyurl.com/29s9xdd)

Paint: $866

All install would be done by me.

No motor work since the 748 is fast enough for me, aspecially given the tracks within a 15 hour drive. Miller is the only one where more power would be nice, and that's only down the front straight.

This should significanty lighten the bike, and also significantly improve its handling.  [thumbsup]





Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: Spidey on August 06, 2010, 06:41:56 AM
Mine is really, really boring and not the least bit custom. 

Used Ducati 916 (pre-1988).   Red.  With full Termi system.  In near stock condition and in good shape for $6-7K. 
Resprung/valved front+rear suspension.
Open clutch cover.
Aftermarket pressure plate.
Depending on how the lever fits, maybe some CRG or pazzo levers.
New rubber.

And that's it -- my dream bike.  I guess I *could* add bits here and there but that's not really part of my dream.


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: MadDuck on August 06, 2010, 06:43:59 AM
Under $10K?  That would have been my old 98 Monster 900 that I bought for $3500., put a ton of goodies on which would have brought it up to nearly 10K. Rode it and worked on it for 3 years and then sold for $4,000.   [laugh] [laugh]

Actually for that money I think I would get some sort of 996/998 and do some good engine work to it and some suspension work. That'd probably would bust the limit right there.  :(


Title: Re: JFF: Dream bike challenge
Post by: Travman on August 06, 2010, 08:52:02 AM
For 10k?
I really have no idea?  Check out Theo's (Taftnomonos) 2V Superbike project.  I don't know what his budget is, but I know he plans on making some money back by selling the 999R motor that he no longer needs.  Maybe he will weigh in.  He is saving money by just using the 999 tank and tail section instead of buying something European and expensive.  I wouldn't have to start with a 999R.  I could save by starting with a 749 trackbike that still had a title.  I know the DS1000 motor Theo is using probably cost 3-4K.  So I could use a 900 to save some money.  Cool Motogadget type guages can be expensive so I'd try to use something stock.  
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=37734.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=37734.0)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/TheoAftonomos/2V%20SBK/DSC_0416.jpg)


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