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Moto Board => General Monster Forum => Topic started by: El Matador on August 31, 2010, 11:55:40 AM

Title: 9k MV?
Post by: El Matador on August 31, 2010, 11:55:40 AM
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/mv-agusta-f3-details/#more-13385 (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/mv-agusta-f3-details/#more-13385)

I hope it's not a Derby, but it probably is.

I've heard the info about the F3, but never in my wildest dreams expect it to be sub 10k. It looks like it has the potential to be an 848 killer.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: duccarlos on August 31, 2010, 12:08:08 PM
it looks and sounds sweet, but with little support on this side of the pond, who will service it?
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: El Matador on August 31, 2010, 12:26:59 PM
Quote from: duccarlos on August 31, 2010, 12:08:08 PM
it looks and sounds sweet, but with little support on this side of the pond, who will service it?

The problem really isn't the servicing, it's more the part availability. I know a Dallas rider that only got into ducs when he had to wait 4 months for a radiator. That's not to say I haven't been waiting 3 months for collets myself  [bang] [bang] [bang]
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: duccarlos on August 31, 2010, 12:38:21 PM
My point is that there's no support system put in place.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: El Matador on August 31, 2010, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: duccarlos on August 31, 2010, 12:38:21 PM
My point is that there's no support system put in place.

There's a couple of dealers in Texas and in California, which are probably gonna be their main markets anyways. Not ideal, but better than nothing.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Kopfjager on August 31, 2010, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: El Matador on August 31, 2010, 11:55:40 AM
It looks like it has the potential to be an 848 killer.

Where is it killing the 848?
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: arai_speed on August 31, 2010, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 31, 2010, 02:54:44 PM
Where is it killing the 848?

On price w/out a dout!


And if it follows the Daytona on performance, it could also kill it on the track.

>>> 2x2: 2009 Ducati 848 vs. 2009 Triumph Daytona 675 <<<< (http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_roadtest/comparison_tests_articles/archive/2x2_2009_ducati_848_vs._2009_triumph_daytona_675/2x2_3a_2009_ducati_848_vs._2009_triumph_daytona_675_page_2)
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Kopfjager on August 31, 2010, 04:06:16 PM
Quote from: arai_speed on August 31, 2010, 02:59:43 PM
On price w/out a dout!


And if it follows the Daytona on performance, it could also kill it on the track.

>>> 2x2: 2009 Ducati 848 vs. 2009 Triumph Daytona 675 <<<< (http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_roadtest/comparison_tests_articles/archive/2x2_2009_ducati_848_vs._2009_triumph_daytona_675/2x2_3a_2009_ducati_848_vs._2009_triumph_daytona_675_page_2)

I don't seem to notice any Triumphs here.  :D


http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm?year=2010&eid=2010011040&discipline=RR&class=DS&type=F&rnum=1&class_sort=DS (http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm?year=2010&eid=2010011040&discipline=RR&class=DS&type=F&rnum=1&class_sort=DS)
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Drunken Monkey on August 31, 2010, 04:52:47 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 31, 2010, 04:06:16 PM
I don't seem to notice any Triumphs here.  :D

True that, but none of those bikes has a stock suspension, I'll wager.

It's good that they test these bikes, as delivered. Hopefully Ducati will get the message and spend just a hair more attention to the bike's suspension and possibly give it a bit more mid-range.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: ducpainter on August 31, 2010, 04:56:25 PM
Quote from: El Matador on August 31, 2010, 12:26:59 PM
The problem really isn't the servicing, it's more the part availability. I know a Dallas rider that only got into ducs when he had to wait 4 months for a radiator. That's not to say I haven't been waiting 3 months for collets myself  [bang] [bang] [bang]
I got a side panel for an F4i in two days. :-\
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Kopfjager on August 31, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on August 31, 2010, 04:52:47 PM
True that, but none of those bikes has a stock suspension, I'll wager.

It's good that they test these bikes, as delivered. Hopefully Ducati will get the message and spend just a hair more attention to the bike's suspension and possibly give it a bit more mid-range.

What about the EVO? Did they upgrade anything there?
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Travman on August 31, 2010, 05:08:55 PM
The rear 3/4 view looks beautiful.  I assume that is just F4 bodywork thrown on a test mule.  I wonder if the body work will stay the same or if they will give the F3 it's own identity.  The brakes look nice especially for a bike with a sub-$10K price.  I wonder if these are the monoblocks?
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/mv-agusta-f3-spy-photos/2011-mv-agusta-f3-spy-shot-1.jpg)

Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: arai_speed on August 31, 2010, 06:41:29 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 31, 2010, 04:06:16 PM
I don't seem to notice any Triumphs here.  :D


http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm?year=2010&eid=2010011040&discipline=RR&class=DS&type=F&rnum=1&class_sort=DS (http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm?year=2010&eid=2010011040&discipline=RR&class=DS&type=F&rnum=1&class_sort=DS)

One need only to look in the right place:

http://www.worldsbk.com/en/teams-e-riders/ssp/2010.html (http://www.worldsbk.com/en/teams-e-riders/ssp/2010.html)

[beer]
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Kopfjager on August 31, 2010, 06:46:03 PM
Quote from: arai_speed on August 31, 2010, 06:41:29 PM
One need only to look in the right place:

http://www.worldsbk.com/en/teams-e-riders/ssp/2010.html (http://www.worldsbk.com/en/teams-e-riders/ssp/2010.html)

[beer]

Touche. We need to find a series where they are both on the track together.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: sbrguy on August 31, 2010, 07:10:00 PM
it would be cool if mv were to make a lower priced bike, sure they are the true "elite" exclusive bikes around and they provie it with the 125k bike they made a few years ago but the company is really dying if they don't figure out a way to get more money somehow.

we can say they may downgrade their image by making a 600 style bike but then again bmw seems to be making a killing with the 1000rr in the first year and that was just as big a jump for them in a way.

they could just make a 675 that is a touch more expensive than the ducati 848 and they will label it as the "premium" that they are charginng for the brand just like bmw is for the 1000rr and its not hurting their sales.

just hope they make the bike good looking i wouldn't mind it being just a carbon copy of the f4 but with 3 pipes coming out the back.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: psycledelic on August 31, 2010, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: duccarlos on August 31, 2010, 12:08:08 PM
it looks and sounds sweet, but with little support on this side of the pond, who will service it?
Harley Davidson, of course.  Oh, uh, never mind!
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Drunken Monkey on September 01, 2010, 07:13:52 AM
Tamburini has retired, so I'm not holding my breath for a bike as beautiful as the f4
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: El Matador on September 01, 2010, 07:18:39 AM
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on September 01, 2010, 07:13:52 AM
Tamburini has retired, so I'm not holding my breath for a bike as beautiful as the f4


The F3 has been in the works for at least 4 years. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a hand in it.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Porsche Monkey on September 01, 2010, 08:49:23 AM
MV please build this bike  [bow_down]
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: iRam on September 01, 2010, 09:08:58 AM
looking forward to seeing leaked(purposely) photos of the 3 cylinder baby brutale.  ;D
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: DRKWNG on September 01, 2010, 03:37:35 PM
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 31, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
What about the EVO? Did they upgrade anything there?

The Evo has a number of upgrades over the previous 848s.  First off, it comes with the DP race cams and a slight bump in compression, both of which add up to a touch more power.  Now for the con though; it actually brings the power in at a slightly higher point in the rev range, so those looking for more grunt or a punchier mid than the older 848 might be a touch disappointed.  Also, the Evo comes with the monoblocks from the 10/1198 as well as a frame mounted steering damper (same frame as the big brother).

I used to have a 675 Daytona (an '08 model) and will say now that I REALLY regret letting it go.  I haven't owned an 848, but have spent a fair amount of time riding them, both with stock and highly upgraded suspension.  The 848 does have a touch more scoot to it, but given the two bikes to equally competent riders and I think you would find them neck 'n neck almost anywhere.

I'm really eager to see if this new MV makes its way over here.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: muskrat on September 01, 2010, 04:42:25 PM
 [drool]
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Airborne on September 01, 2010, 05:00:24 PM
I don't see the lack of support structure as that much of a problem, especially for MV. Any person who is willing to pay a premium for an MV knows this. There are plenty of resources online to find parts too. mvagusta.net is just like the DMF and bikes are always getting parted out there. It will be no problem finding parts down the line. I bet you can go on there right now and find complete engines for sale for both the 750, 910 and 1078.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: corey on September 01, 2010, 05:34:20 PM
if it's a cheaper alternative to the 848, without being japanese... count me in.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Kopfjager on September 01, 2010, 05:41:54 PM
Quote from: corey on September 01, 2010, 05:34:20 PM
if it's a cheaper alternative to the 848, without being japanese... count me in.

Yeah, MV is known for cheap bikes.  :D
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: DRKWNG on September 01, 2010, 05:42:08 PM
Quote from: corey on September 01, 2010, 05:34:20 PM
if it's a cheaper alternative to the 848, without being japanese... count me in.

Go take a look at the Daytona.  They started using a fair number of "race kit" internal parts as part of the stock configuration with the '09 model year transition.  They are seriously competent bikes, and all for about 10K brand new.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: desmoworks on September 01, 2010, 05:42:21 PM
I'm planning on getting one. I LOVED my last Triumph 675... 3 cylinder engines are fantastic. Sound great, good power... just fun.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Porsche Monkey on September 02, 2010, 03:32:31 AM
Our local Duc shop also sells MVs.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: duccarlos on September 02, 2010, 04:14:59 AM
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 01, 2010, 03:37:35 PM
The Evo has a number of upgrades over the previous 848s. 

There's an 848s??

Quote from: Airborne on September 01, 2010, 05:00:24 PM
Any person who is willing to pay a premium for an MV knows this. There are plenty of resources online to find parts too. mvagusta.net is just like the DMF and bikes are always getting parted out there. It will be no problem finding parts down the line. I bet you can go on there right now and find complete engines for sale for both the 750, 910 and 1078.

Any person that is paying a premium for any bike also expect a certain amount of support. Getting on a website trying to find parts from parted bikes is no way to support a product.

Quote from: Porsche Monkey on September 02, 2010, 03:32:31 AM
Our local Duc shop also sells MVs.

That's much better, but how hard is it for them to get parts from the factory? I know that Ducati had some mayor issues back in the day getting parts out. I did not personally have to suffer through these times, but I know many people with more patience than I do having to wait months.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: il d00d on September 02, 2010, 06:47:30 AM
So, is this this the Daytona motor?  Based on it?  There are not many 675cc triples out there, so it seems unlikely to be coincidental.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Triple J on September 02, 2010, 07:33:07 AM
Quote from: duccarlos on September 02, 2010, 04:14:59 AM
There's an 848s??


I think he meant plural.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Popeye the Sailor on September 02, 2010, 08:15:15 AM
Quote from: corey on September 01, 2010, 05:34:20 PM
if it's a cheaper alternative to the 848, without being japanese... count me in.

The only one I've had experience with so far was far from dependable. Not impressed.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: DRKWNG on September 02, 2010, 12:16:27 PM
Quote from: duccarlos on September 02, 2010, 04:14:59 AM
There's an 848s??
Quote from: Triple J on September 02, 2010, 07:33:07 AM
I think he meant plural.

Yep.  848s, not an 848S
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: desmoworks on September 03, 2010, 06:06:37 AM
Quote from: il d00d on September 02, 2010, 06:47:30 AM
So, is this this the Daytona motor?  Based on it?  There are not many 675cc triples out there, so it seems unlikely to be coincidental.

I believe it is 675 due to race org regulations... they are not using a Triumph motor.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Raux on September 03, 2010, 07:30:45 AM
is that the under 700cc reg for which you guys are destroking an 848
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: desmoworks on September 03, 2010, 08:09:17 AM
Quote from: Raux on September 03, 2010, 07:30:45 AM
is that the under 700cc reg for which you guys are destroking an 848

No, I'm doing sub-700cc to club race (lightweight) with SV650s  [thumbsup]

The classes the MV fits in have the following displacement allowances.

4 cylinders: 600cc
3 cylinders: 675cc
2 cylinders: 850cc
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: Raux on September 03, 2010, 08:26:48 AM
ah so

so the 848 already races in that class.
Title: Re: 9k MV?
Post by: desmoworks on September 03, 2010, 08:28:22 AM
Quote from: Raux on September 03, 2010, 08:26:48 AM
ah so

so the 848 already races in that class.

Yeah, 848 is in the same class as the 675 - same as all the Japanese 600s as well.