http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/mv-agusta-f3-details/#more-13385 (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/mv-agusta-f3-details/#more-13385)
I hope it's not a Derby, but it probably is.
I've heard the info about the F3, but never in my wildest dreams expect it to be sub 10k. It looks like it has the potential to be an 848 killer.
it looks and sounds sweet, but with little support on this side of the pond, who will service it?
Quote from: duccarlos on August 31, 2010, 12:08:08 PM
it looks and sounds sweet, but with little support on this side of the pond, who will service it?
The problem really isn't the servicing, it's more the part availability. I know a Dallas rider that only got into ducs when he had to wait 4 months for a radiator. That's not to say I haven't been waiting 3 months for collets myself [bang] [bang] [bang]
My point is that there's no support system put in place.
Quote from: duccarlos on August 31, 2010, 12:38:21 PM
My point is that there's no support system put in place.
There's a couple of dealers in Texas and in California, which are probably gonna be their main markets anyways. Not ideal, but better than nothing.
Quote from: El Matador on August 31, 2010, 11:55:40 AM
It looks like it has the potential to be an 848 killer.
Where is it killing the 848?
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 31, 2010, 02:54:44 PM
Where is it killing the 848?
On price w/out a dout!
And if it follows the Daytona on performance, it could also kill it on the track.
>>> 2x2: 2009 Ducati 848 vs. 2009 Triumph Daytona 675 <<<< (http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_roadtest/comparison_tests_articles/archive/2x2_2009_ducati_848_vs._2009_triumph_daytona_675/2x2_3a_2009_ducati_848_vs._2009_triumph_daytona_675_page_2)
Quote from: arai_speed on August 31, 2010, 02:59:43 PM
On price w/out a dout!
And if it follows the Daytona on performance, it could also kill it on the track.
>>> 2x2: 2009 Ducati 848 vs. 2009 Triumph Daytona 675 <<<< (http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_roadtest/comparison_tests_articles/archive/2x2_2009_ducati_848_vs._2009_triumph_daytona_675/2x2_3a_2009_ducati_848_vs._2009_triumph_daytona_675_page_2)
I don't seem to notice any Triumphs here. :D
http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm?year=2010&eid=2010011040&discipline=RR&class=DS&type=F&rnum=1&class_sort=DS (http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm?year=2010&eid=2010011040&discipline=RR&class=DS&type=F&rnum=1&class_sort=DS)
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 31, 2010, 04:06:16 PM
I don't seem to notice any Triumphs here. :D
True that, but none of those bikes has a stock suspension, I'll wager.
It's good that they test these bikes, as delivered. Hopefully Ducati will get the message and spend just a hair more attention to the bike's suspension and possibly give it a bit more mid-range.
Quote from: El Matador on August 31, 2010, 12:26:59 PM
The problem really isn't the servicing, it's more the part availability. I know a Dallas rider that only got into ducs when he had to wait 4 months for a radiator. That's not to say I haven't been waiting 3 months for collets myself [bang] [bang] [bang]
I got a side panel for an F4i in two days. :-\
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on August 31, 2010, 04:52:47 PM
True that, but none of those bikes has a stock suspension, I'll wager.
It's good that they test these bikes, as delivered. Hopefully Ducati will get the message and spend just a hair more attention to the bike's suspension and possibly give it a bit more mid-range.
What about the EVO? Did they upgrade anything there?
The rear 3/4 view looks beautiful. I assume that is just F4 bodywork thrown on a test mule. I wonder if the body work will stay the same or if they will give the F3 it's own identity. The brakes look nice especially for a bike with a sub-$10K price. I wonder if these are the monoblocks?
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/mv-agusta-f3-spy-photos/2011-mv-agusta-f3-spy-shot-1.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 31, 2010, 04:06:16 PM
I don't seem to notice any Triumphs here. :D
http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm?year=2010&eid=2010011040&discipline=RR&class=DS&type=F&rnum=1&class_sort=DS (http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm?year=2010&eid=2010011040&discipline=RR&class=DS&type=F&rnum=1&class_sort=DS)
One need only to look in the right place:
http://www.worldsbk.com/en/teams-e-riders/ssp/2010.html (http://www.worldsbk.com/en/teams-e-riders/ssp/2010.html)
[beer]
Quote from: arai_speed on August 31, 2010, 06:41:29 PM
One need only to look in the right place:
http://www.worldsbk.com/en/teams-e-riders/ssp/2010.html (http://www.worldsbk.com/en/teams-e-riders/ssp/2010.html)
[beer]
Touche. We need to find a series where they are both on the track together.
it would be cool if mv were to make a lower priced bike, sure they are the true "elite" exclusive bikes around and they provie it with the 125k bike they made a few years ago but the company is really dying if they don't figure out a way to get more money somehow.
we can say they may downgrade their image by making a 600 style bike but then again bmw seems to be making a killing with the 1000rr in the first year and that was just as big a jump for them in a way.
they could just make a 675 that is a touch more expensive than the ducati 848 and they will label it as the "premium" that they are charginng for the brand just like bmw is for the 1000rr and its not hurting their sales.
just hope they make the bike good looking i wouldn't mind it being just a carbon copy of the f4 but with 3 pipes coming out the back.
Quote from: duccarlos on August 31, 2010, 12:08:08 PM
it looks and sounds sweet, but with little support on this side of the pond, who will service it?
Harley Davidson, of course. Oh, uh, never mind!
Tamburini has retired, so I'm not holding my breath for a bike as beautiful as the f4
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on September 01, 2010, 07:13:52 AM
Tamburini has retired, so I'm not holding my breath for a bike as beautiful as the f4
The F3 has been in the works for at least 4 years. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a hand in it.
MV please build this bike [bow_down]
looking forward to seeing leaked(purposely) photos of the 3 cylinder baby brutale. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 31, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
What about the EVO? Did they upgrade anything there?
The Evo has a number of upgrades over the previous 848s. First off, it comes with the DP race cams and a slight bump in compression, both of which add up to a touch more power. Now for the con though; it actually brings the power in at a slightly higher point in the rev range, so those looking for more grunt or a punchier mid than the older 848 might be a touch disappointed. Also, the Evo comes with the monoblocks from the 10/1198 as well as a frame mounted steering damper (same frame as the big brother).
I used to have a 675 Daytona (an '08 model) and will say now that I REALLY regret letting it go. I haven't owned an 848, but have spent a fair amount of time riding them, both with stock and highly upgraded suspension. The 848 does have a touch more scoot to it, but given the two bikes to equally competent riders and I think you would find them neck 'n neck almost anywhere.
I'm really eager to see if this new MV makes its way over here.
[drool]
I don't see the lack of support structure as that much of a problem, especially for MV. Any person who is willing to pay a premium for an MV knows this. There are plenty of resources online to find parts too. mvagusta.net is just like the DMF and bikes are always getting parted out there. It will be no problem finding parts down the line. I bet you can go on there right now and find complete engines for sale for both the 750, 910 and 1078.
if it's a cheaper alternative to the 848, without being japanese... count me in.
Quote from: corey on September 01, 2010, 05:34:20 PM
if it's a cheaper alternative to the 848, without being japanese... count me in.
Yeah, MV is known for cheap bikes. :D
Quote from: corey on September 01, 2010, 05:34:20 PM
if it's a cheaper alternative to the 848, without being japanese... count me in.
Go take a look at the Daytona. They started using a fair number of "race kit" internal parts as part of the stock configuration with the '09 model year transition. They are seriously competent bikes, and all for about 10K brand new.
I'm planning on getting one. I LOVED my last Triumph 675... 3 cylinder engines are fantastic. Sound great, good power... just fun.
Our local Duc shop also sells MVs.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 01, 2010, 03:37:35 PM
The Evo has a number of upgrades over the previous 848s.
There's an 848s??
Quote from: Airborne on September 01, 2010, 05:00:24 PM
Any person who is willing to pay a premium for an MV knows this. There are plenty of resources online to find parts too. mvagusta.net is just like the DMF and bikes are always getting parted out there. It will be no problem finding parts down the line. I bet you can go on there right now and find complete engines for sale for both the 750, 910 and 1078.
Any person that is paying a premium for any bike also expect a certain amount of support. Getting on a website trying to find parts from parted bikes is no way to support a product.
Quote from: Porsche Monkey on September 02, 2010, 03:32:31 AM
Our local Duc shop also sells MVs.
That's much better, but how hard is it for them to get parts from the factory? I know that Ducati had some mayor issues back in the day getting parts out. I did not personally have to suffer through these times, but I know many people with more patience than I do having to wait months.
So, is this this the Daytona motor? Based on it? There are not many 675cc triples out there, so it seems unlikely to be coincidental.
Quote from: corey on September 01, 2010, 05:34:20 PM
if it's a cheaper alternative to the 848, without being japanese... count me in.
The only one I've had experience with so far was far from dependable. Not impressed.
Quote from: il d00d on September 02, 2010, 06:47:30 AM
So, is this this the Daytona motor? Based on it? There are not many 675cc triples out there, so it seems unlikely to be coincidental.
I believe it is 675 due to race org regulations... they are not using a Triumph motor.
is that the under 700cc reg for which you guys are destroking an 848
Quote from: Raux on September 03, 2010, 07:30:45 AM
is that the under 700cc reg for which you guys are destroking an 848
No, I'm doing sub-700cc to club race (lightweight) with SV650s [thumbsup]
The classes the MV fits in have the following displacement allowances.
4 cylinders: 600cc
3 cylinders: 675cc
2 cylinders: 850cc
ah so
so the 848 already races in that class.
Quote from: Raux on September 03, 2010, 08:26:48 AM
ah so
so the 848 already races in that class.
Yeah, 848 is in the same class as the 675 - same as all the Japanese 600s as well.