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Gran Premio A-Style De Aragon

19 September 2010 (Times PST)

125ccWUP 23:40 - (Sun) 00:00
Moto2WUP 00:10 - 00:30
MotoGPWUP 00:40 - 01:00
125ccRAC 02:00
Moto2RAC 03:15
MotoGPRAC 05:00am


TV Schedule (Speed):

5:00am - MotoGP (live)
2:00pm - Moto2
3:00pm - MotoGP (repeat)

I see it on Speed at 6:00 AM PST.

???

(http://7mzdt.com/images/speed0919.jpg)

I set my DVR. That's what Comcast has.

who cares when its on..A-style baby

(http://www.funnymos.com/images/bad-logos/astyle.jpg)

FP1

1     26   Dani PEDROSA          1'50.506   
2     69   Nicky HAYDEN           1'50.917   0.411 / 0.411
3     99   Jorge LORENZO         1'50.928   0.422 / 0.011
4     27   Casey STONER          1'51.195   0.689 / 0.267
5     58   Marco SIMONCELLI    1'51.768   1.262 / 0.573
6     46   Valentino ROSSI        1'51.769   1.263 / 0.001
7     40   Hector BARBERA        1'51.792   1.286 / 0.023
8     4     Andrea DOVIZIOSO   1'51.845   1.339 / 0.053
9     5     Colin EDWARDS         1'52.027   1.521 / 0.182
10   11   Ben SPIES                 1'52.141   1.635 / 0.114
11   33   Marco MELANDRI       1'52.321   1.815 / 0.180
12   14   Randy DE PUNIET      1'52.340   1.834 / 0.019
13   41   Aleix ESPARGARO      1'52.752   2.246 / 0.412
14   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA       1'52.822   2.316 / 0.070
15   36   Mika KALLIO              1'53.190   2.684 / 0.368
16   7     Hiroshi AOYAMA         1'53.512   3.006 / 0.322

Who has an advantage on a track that no one knows?

The fast guys

I meant specifically. In any race at this point Lorenzo or Pedrosa, but this might be the race for a dark horse.

Define dark horse...

I don't think you're going to see Kallio or any of the guys at the dull end of the grid suddenly jump to the sharp end.

The guys at the top of the championship standings are there for a reason.

Why no Capirossi?

Those that consistently don't crack the top 10 are out.

finger surgery from his accident with Hayden from the last round...

FP2

Results:

Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff Diff Previous
1 27 Casey STONER DUCATI 2'01.710     
2 99 Jorge LORENZO YAMAHA 2'02.278 0.568 0.568
3 69 Nicky HAYDEN DUCATI 2'02.411 0.701 0.133
4 46 Valentino ROSSI YAMAHA 2'02.878 1.168 0.467
5 33 Marco MELANDRI HONDA 2'03.146 1.436 0.268
6 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO HONDA 2'03.754 2.044 0.608
7 14 Randy DE PUNIET HONDA 2'03.801 2.091 0.047
8 11 Ben SPIES YAMAHA 2'03.874 2.164 0.073
9 40 Hector BARBERA DUCATI 2'04.063 2.353 0.189
10 58 Marco SIMONCELLI HONDA 2'04.151 2.441 0.088
11 5 Colin EDWARDS YAMAHA 2'04.868 3.158 0.717
12 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SUZUKI 2'05.170 3.460 0.302
13 26 Dani PEDROSA HONDA 2'05.394 3.684 0.224
14 36 Mika KALLIO DUCATI 2'06.257 4.547 0.863
15 41 Aleix ESPARGARO DUCATI 2'07.133 5.423 0.876
16 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA HONDA 2'07.632 5.922 0.499


session was fully wet

i'd say the guys that recently rode the track using production-based bikes...

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=41964 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=41964)

i think pedro has also been there on a cbr recently.  and someone else a while ago.. nicky?

Rossi, Lorentho, Dovi...

Lincoln, Nixon, Roosevelt...

 [laugh] [clap] [beer]

Pedro, Dovi, Lorenzo, Rossi, Hayden.

DePuniet may have been out there recently as well. 

Did Rossi pack it in for the season?

FP3 results

1 Casey Stoner Ducati Marlboro Ducati 1:50.115
2 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Honda 1:50.452
3 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Ducati 1:50.675
4 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda Honda 1:50.724
5 Jorge Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha Yamaha 1:50.764
6 Ben Spies Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 1:50.843
7 Randy De Puniet LCR Honda Honda 1:50.986
8 Colin Edwards II Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 1:51.242
9 Marco Simoncelli San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1:51.397
10 Marco Melandri San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1:51.444
11 Valentino Rossi Fiat Yamaha Yamaha 1:51.588
12 Hiroshi Aoyama Interwetten Honda MotoGP Honda 1:51.642
13 Hector Barbera Paginas Amarillas Aspar Ducati 1:51.654
14 Alvaro Bautista Rizla Suzuki Suzuki 1:51.833
15 Aleix Espargaro Pramac Racing Ducati 1:51.962
16 Mika Kallio Pramac Racing Ducati 1:52.141

dry session

Pole

1 Casey Stoner Ducati Marlboro Ducati 1:48.942
2 Jorge Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha Yamaha 1:49.251
3 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Honda 1:49.343
4 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Ducati 1:49.506
5 Ben Spies Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 1:49.565
6 Randy De Puniet LCR Honda Honda 1:49.952
7 Valentino Rossi Fiat Yamaha Yamaha 1:50.017
8 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda Honda 1:50.046
9 Marco Simoncelli San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1:50.088
10 Hector Barbera Paginas Amarillas Aspar Ducati 1:50.323
11 Colin Edwards II Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 1:50.440
12 Alvaro Bautista Rizla Suzuki Suzuki 1:50.523
13 Aleix Espargaro Pramac Racing Ducati 1:50.537
14 Marco Melandri San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1:50.580
15 Hiroshi Aoyama Interwetten Honda MotoGP Honda 1:50.836
16 Mika Kallio Pramac Racing Ducati 1:51.490

make the beast with two backs YEAH!!! way to go nicky. The shot of the riders eiting the corner with the large stone wall behind them was amazing!

So speed channel has the race listed to start at 6am this morning live and I wake up early on Sunday no less to see Neck-car?

Then I check the MotoGP page thinking that maybe the race was postponed only to find that it's already over?

 [bang] [bang]

what happened to Dovi?
I was loving the battle between him and Spies and then looking away for a moment only see Spies cross the finish.

I'm Pissed...I think speed channel showed it at 7 a.m. central time and comcast has it showing at being on at 8 a.m. central time.  I missed the whole race as well.  I don't know whether to be pissed at Comcast or Speed.   >:(

Speed just about always shows it at 8am EST. It should be on again at 5pm EST.

Tell me about it. I honestly hardly watch television. All I ask is to be able to watch some good racing in the early morning before my wife and daughter wake up in peace and quiet, lol. Guess not.  :'(

I had to watch it with the sound off because there is a cranky 15yr old sleeping on the couch.  [cheeky]

My DVR correctly caught it at 8am EDT just as listed.

Great race!! Nice job to Nicky and Casey.


I think they said his shoulder was really bothering him and he just wasn't able to push it and get any speed on the new track.

I have one of those around - screw him - I pay the mortgage so I make the rules.

I'd tell your teenager to go sleep on the lawn or get a job and pay the bills.

He ran wide and tossed it trying to get around The Ben on the outside... according to The Ben.

Finally a decent race!

Good job by Stoner...he was riding the wheels off that thing to stay ahead of Pedrobot. His mini tank slapper mid way thru the race was crazy!  [bow_down] :o

Awesome showing by Nicky!!!!  [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] Great set-up on Lorenzo!

...and my DirecTV guide showed it correctly at 5am this morning.  ???

I think it was Comcast that screwed up. Anyway, I was screaming for Nicky to pass Lorenzo for the last quarter of that race. It was a good race.

Wow great race ...way to go Nicky ...i was screaming too !!!

Thanks guys for the heads up on the speed screw up this morning ..bev and charlie both had it screwed

It looks like the hard work on fixing the Desmo's handling problems is finally paying off.

From MotoGP.com

Stoner has struggled with front end problems this season on his Desmosedici GP10 but in qualifying he set a blistering pace. The 24 year-old was the only rider under 1’49” at 0.309s quicker than closest rival Jorge Lorenzo, and explained that the modifications made to his machine had enabled him to feel more comfortable when pushing for faster lap times.

“We've been trying different things for the last few weekends to try and get the bike more competitive without making really big progress but it looks like we might have found something here,” said Stoner.

“We've changed the weight distribution a little bit and it has given me more grip and confidence. Maybe it's just the fact the bike suits this place but either way we've got to be happy to be back on pole for the first time since Qatar. I also like riding at new circuits – when you haven't already done a million laps around a place it's always refreshing.”

Full article here:
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Ducati+review+Aragon+day+one (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Ducati+review+Aragon+day+one)

Forgot to mention...great battle between Spies and Dovi. It was fun watching Spies hold him off.  [thumbsup]

http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?p=3218977#post3218977 (http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?p=3218977#post3218977)

Originally Posted by HadBen

In his text to me after the race, Ben said "my brake hand is smoked".

MAYBE BOTH...I covered my ass and just recorded the later in the afternoon broadcast and went riding...

anyways...great race...and Nicky is too damn polite...


isn't that what racing is about Nicky?...do what it takes to get ahead of your opponent...within reason...and that was a nice clean pass in my opinion...Jorge would have done the exact same thing given the chance...hell..most of the paddock would have...

The Spies Dovi thing was awesome...hell...I love this track...it was some GREAT race viewing and racing...although, I think I would fall asleep on my track bike going down that straight...otherwise...what an excellent track...I hope they keep returning to that circuit!!!

Moto2....Wholly wow is Elias "The Man"...gets knocked going into turn 1...keeps from spilling and works his way from 14th to 4th....amazing ride..moreso than Ianonne's IMHO...that boy checked out though.....

I was more screaming at Nicky to pass Lorenzo already. He is just not aggressive at all.

^^^  I'm glad to hear I wasn't the only one yelling at the TV. 

that's a matter of perspective. if he didn't feel he was able to gap him after the pass, he made it when it counted. if he'd passed him earlier, it woulda given jorge more opportunities to "gather it up" and repass him before the flag.

How can you not scream at the TV when you see a guy tip-toeing around the track. That bike was setup to be pushing for 2nd, but he got all caught up behind Lorenzo.

I thought Hayden did a great job.  [thumbsup] He passed Lorenzo when it mattered and made it stick...with what was a fairly aggressive pass. If him and Lorenzo would have been mixing it up earlier, then it is likely that Spies and Dovi would have caught them, turning a 2-way battle into a 4-way one. Waiting until the end was a good move IMO.

I don't know about second...Perdrobot was flying and gapped Lorenzo and Hayden. He almost caught Stoner, but Stoner was riding the wheels off that thing trying to stay ahead. He gapped Pedro at the end, but I think part of that might have been Pedro accepting second to keep it on 2 wheels.

Might also have been Pedro shagging the tires. Someone was saying the Ducs with their new setup were easier on the tires around Aragon.

Tiptoeing?  Seriously?  [bang]

Pedrosa mentioned in the post race that the Honda used tires pretty fast there.

Sure...blame the bike ;D

Stoner will fit in nicely there [laugh]

You don't agree that he has to be more aggressive? He has the skills to be up there and he had a faster bike. He caught up to Lorenzo and sat there for at least 8 laps before making his move.

I think he did a good job.

Even a faster bike doesn't make someone like Lorenzo easy to pass.

Nicky obviously felt he didn't have the lap times to pull away from Jorge and if he made the move too early he'd have to do the work all over, or even lose the podium if Lorenzo moved on him in the last corner.

Plus, watch the cam from Lorenzo's bike looking back at Hayden. A turn or two before he passed Lorenzo, Hayden almost lost it...looked like he momentarily lost the front end.

I don't think he was tiptoeing.

Finally a decent race to watch.  Whew.  That said, watching the lightest guy on the track on the fastest bike pass the slowest bike on the track down a straightaway isn't that fun. 

The Ben is an absolute DEMON on the brakes.  He talked about it last year, but it was pretty epic to watch.  I woulda liked to see him stay in touch with Nicky and George.  Man, looking at the top speeds lap by lap, his bike was the suck.

Did anyone catch Stoner lose the front and then pick it up when showed that one slow speed HD pass?  He's a lunatic.  He does that on virtually every turn.

Nicky's pass was excellent.  I don't entirely buy Jorge's excuse that he didn't fight back because of the championship.  Nicky just parked it in front of him on the racing line and didn't give him an option.  Awesome.  To be sure, if Jorge coulda fought back, he might have decided not to.  But Nicky didn't give him the chance.

I didn't see RDP's crash, but the still pic I saw of if looked G-narly.  Apparently, he's alright.

Stoner's stand up was the best I've seen since Hopper left GP and started racing minibikes again. 

Honda's gonna have quite a package of riders next year with both Douchebot and Stoner.

I tend to agree. Sitting on Jorge until the end was good race craft. Just sit and follow and let Jorge burn up his tires trying to stay away. Nicky's not dumb. I think he knew that if he passed early that would only give Jorge many chances to return the favor. Like Nicky said, "No more fourths!" I think it was well executed. [thumbsup] [moto]

On paper, that should be the team to beat.

5 days later, finally watched this thing... wow!  great race!

i don't think nick was tip toeing in the least.  awesome move at the right place.

...and how are people confused when the race was?  nevermind it's in the thread title and first post, look at the schedule.  set up your dvr for series or keywords, not times.

that 2 laps to go outbraking move by ben on the back straight... daaamn.  i think some aussie guy taught him to brake that deep.

Has anyone seen any footage of Dovi decking it?

Curious what happened....

Didn't see it but he claims he highsided in the last corner trying to make a move on Ben in a motogp interview.

Here ya go, Nick. 

Mini Moto High Side Crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7m7EUSIoNc#normal)

i'm still annoyed by this..  >:( ;D

if you spend an entire race parked behind someone only to pass them in the last or next to last corner, esp if you take the last podium spot doing it, that's not lack of aggression.  that's racecraft.  you also really wear the guy down mentally by being within striking distance lap after lap after lap.. valentino practically invented that tactic.

and nicky's no dummy.  he knows that if he passes jorge and then gives him a couple laps to do something about it, he's probably going to. 

calm down bro...

they're not picking on your Ben. ;D

=)

i agree that we don't see that enough from nick.. so he should get credit where credit's due.

...no way is he going to out-brake ben tho   [cheeky]

Both of them rode good races.

They were smart about it and got the best possible position from their work. [thumbsup]

When Rossi does this it's a pass for first. If he's claying his way through the field, then he'll be passing guys left and right (if he has the bike and body for it). I understand the move and how he set him up. All I'm saying is that he had a better bike and he should be confident enough to pass the guy and expect to put a gap on him.

I can arrange for you to race yourghey...

let me know how your tactics work. :-*

X-Box doesn't count ;D

Awesome pass from Nicky, I was really happy to see him on the podium; and I agree, he put it on at exactly the right time.

it's really pissing me off that the Yamahas are so down on power to conserve the engines. They've gotta figure something out, Lorenzo seemed really frustrated.

Good.  Don't count your cigars and booze yet my man.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86815 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86815)

"kind of a backyard move"   [laugh]

Nicky has a way with words. ;D

Boomhauer King Of The Hill Season 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGA1a4nyVs#normal)