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1 Valentino Rossi Fiat Yamaha Yamaha 1:48.174
2 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda Honda 1:48.387
3 Jorge Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha Yamaha 1:48.474
4 Casey Stoner Ducati Marlboro Ducati 1:48.481
5 Ben Spies Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 1:49.302
6 Hiroshi Aoyama Interwetten Honda MotoGP Honda 1:49.357
7 Colin Edwards II Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 1:49.377
8 Hector Barbera Paginas Amarillas Aspar Ducati 1:49.544
9 Loris Capirossi Rizla Suzuki Suzuki 1:49.568
10 Marco Simoncelli San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1:49.581
11 Marco Melandri San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1:49.620
12 Alvaro Bautista Rizla Suzuki Suzuki 1:49.644
13 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Ducati 1:49.882
14 Randy De Puniet LCR Honda Honda 1:49.957
15 Aleix Espargaro Pramac Racing Ducati 1:50.158
16 Mika Kallio Pramac Racing Ducati 1:55.746


Honda's Dani Pedrosa crashed just a few minutes into the session and broke his left collarbone. With three races in three weekends and still a mathematical yet distant chance at the world title, Pedrosa's crash comes at a very bad time in the season.

Pedrosa's injury is described as "multiple fractures" of the collarbone, exacerbating a quick recovery.

Spies and Hayden suffered small crashes in the session with Spies landing hard on his elbow and Hayden binning after suffering a mechanical issue.

courtesy of http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101001b.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101001b.htm)

BTW...that is FP1

oh and while I am at it...Speed TV schedule for this round is as follows ( according to their website as of this posting)

Live broadcast is 2:00am EST for the GP race
SDD Broadcast of the GP race is 2:00pm EST
SDD Broadcast of the Moto2 race is 3:00pm EST

to be followed by WSBK Magny Cours finale round broadcasts for races 1 & 2 at 4:00pm EST and 5pm EST.

Psst...

Round 13 was at Aragon 2 weeks ago.

 ;)

thanks...my bad...updated...

I'm surprised no one has posted abour Pedrosa's accident and breaking his collarbone.

Nice to see Rossi back on top, if only for FP1

Well that sucks for Thumbelina. But it sucks more for Lorenzo. I wonder how long till the idiots start saying that he was "Gifted" the championship when all of his competition injured itself.

Apparently not very long.

[roll]

Update on Pedrosa:


http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101001a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101001a.htm)

1st post I mentioned it....or are you more saying in terms of just general comments?


I'll bet he already thinks it....he said something to that effect a couple/few months back when he said he hated winning the championship by default (loosely paraphrasing from when Rossi was out)...

and yes...it sucks for any rider to be hurt, regardless of whether liked or not...especially moreso in the incredibly shrinking grid that is MotoGP...I kinda wanted him to win and Jorge bin it so that Jorge had to earn it...

more of an update on Smurfy

returns to Spain for surgury and is out for Sepang as well

http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/01/pedrosa_returns_to_spain_for_surgery_out.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/01/pedrosa_returns_to_spain_for_surgery_out.html)

and a throttle glitch maybe the cause...

http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/01/throttle_glitch_cause_of_pedrosa_s_moteg.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/01/throttle_glitch_cause_of_pedrosa_s_moteg.html)

He has a history of throttle glitches.


http://www.vbox7.com/play:5c75f26f?r=google (http://www.vbox7.com/play:5c75f26f?r=google)

Crap, sleep for a couple hours and all the suspense goes out of the chase.  :P

Ow.

I figured he wouldn't make it through the season uninjured, but it still sucks.
Heal up quick, little guy.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/5041422189_76992b3118_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26339726@N03/5041422189/)

Borrowed from Crash http://www.crash.net/2010+motogp/large_picture/675169.html (http://www.crash.net/2010+motogp/large_picture/675169.html)

I'll be that guy.

Dani was closing hard on Jorge.

...and the fact that Ducati took the real bikes to Aragon didn't help.

Jorge didn't have it sewn up until Dani was put out of commission.

I believe I read that people thought he hurt his leg. You can't see it from the picture below, but he supposedly got his leg caught under the bike.

The video showed his leg under the bike all the way through the gravel.

well that sucks  :(

and so much for this track being especially difficult for valentino's shoulder.  so far, anyway.

Ouch. I wonder if he also hurt his leg, but the collarbone is the reason he's out.

He was limping when he got up and walked to the barricade.

His left boot looked pretty shredded.

He was on a stretcher pretty shortly afterward.

what a strange year.  the guy who won wsbk and the guy who will 99.99% win motogp.. i mean, i respect them, i'm excited for them, they deserve it.. but i just don't care about either one of them.  yawn.

Sure he was, but let's face it, Dani was over 50 points behind. Considering the level of consistency of each rider it would have been severely implausible for Dani to pull it off.

Just look at the facts, Lorenzo has been on the podium in all but one race, which he finished fourth. This season alone he has more race wins than pedrosa in all his previous years combined.

Pedrosahas was hit or miss this season until after the middle of the championship. What happened to change that? The fact that Honda has been able to have stronger engines while yamaha has been forced to limit theirs to preserve them in case they were needed later on. It's stupid to talk about what ifs but I wouldve bet my bike that performance wouldve been much closer in the later rounds.

And yes, as you said, Ducati finally brought
a motorcycle to the races. This wouldve only hurt pedrosa's chances as he wouldve been forced to win just about every remaining race if he wanted to seriously contend for the crown. And let's face it, that would have been about as probable as Baylis returning to wsbk.

Racing is a fickle mistress, and championships aren't won only by winning the most races.

There are 5 races left and anything could happen.

Probable...nope.

I won't say he was gifted the title...but this takes all the pressure off.

Youreghey hardly had it locked up until now. ;)



Now we'll never know.

if dani hadn't hurt himself all george had to do was crash once, maybe get a bad start another time.  i realize it seems like he doesn't do that at all anymore, but it's not that far fetched...

the point structure makes this more possible than you'd initially think.


performance in previous seasons is irrelevant, really.


when the rules was announced, there was a lot of speculation that the engine rule would have an affect on the championship.


what pedrosa would've needed is directly related to how the end of jorge's season played out. dead engine/crash/poor finish/etc...

who had won the most races in 2006 when Nicky and his podium consistancy won him the championship? ( not aiming at you Nate with this, just helping firm up your point)


and the way the Yammy's seem to be going versus the Honda's , that scenario was looking to be a VERY likely situation...hell..it may still come to fruition regardless...

X-Rays were negative on his leg, just bad bruising down near his ankle.  I do like Pedrosa, so there I said it.

From watching FP1 on Motogp.com this morning, there is no way this was rider error.  Dani was virtually straight up when the bike started getting out of control while under braking.  Definately electronics problems that ended his season.  Its quite unfortunate, because I really believe Dani was going to make this championship tight, and he ends up finished because his bike malfunctioned.

the yamaha situation supposedly is not down to the engine rule but moreso because they have about come to the end of the development of that engine and are not throwing the dollars and minds at the project that honda is.  or, that honda and ducati are.

was discussed here. (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg771175#msg771175)

which I remember that also...but looking at the top speeds and the engibe usage of the 2 side by side, the Honda is looking to be a lot heartier for the usage of the entire season in camparo...that to me, regardless of the development cycle is as much a part of the game...

Pedrosa was never going to catch Lorenzo.  Lorenzo has put on a clinic this season about how to win a championship.  Get a big points lead and then just ride consistently and safely.  Make everyone chasing you go for broke every race.  They'll eventually fall down or have some other sort of DNF.  It's all about who succumbs to the pressure.  Lorenzo has clearly learned a lot from Rossi.

It works the other way round too.  If you're chasing someone down in the championship and they're feeling the heat, that's when they make mistakes.  (Ben v. Haga 2009). 


This.  ^

No, not really. Since we're speculating, we might as well do so based upon facts.

When I mentioned previous performances I was calling upon the consistency showed by both riders. Lorenzo has an race point average of 20.2 points while Pedrosa has 16.2.

While yes, Pedrosa has been getting stronger in the latter half of the season, if we take their race point averages from the middle of the season on (18.5 for Lorenzo, 22.5 for pedrosa), we come nowhere near the 56 points Pedrosa needs.

For Pedrosa to even have some sort of hope to win the championship, he needed to go balls out and try to win every single race left, putting himself in a crash prone situation. Lorenzo only needed consistent top 5 finishes, which he has shown he can do very easily. This situation makes it far more plausible for Pedrosa to crash than Lorenzo.

Another thing to consider is that Honda has been trying to squeeze every last HP out of their engines since the midpoint in the season to give Pedrobot the upper had while Yamaha has switched over to conservation mode and made theirs as durable and reliable as they can afford to. This again would suggest that if any of the two riders was going to have a mechanical, it would again be Pedrosa.

I still don't see how you guys can act like It was basically scripture that Pedrosa was going to catch up to Lorenzo.

Quoted for truth.

No one said that....well maybe zooom did. ;D

We just said Jorge didn't have a lock on it...that too much can happen.

Maybe Rossi would pay him the ultimate 'favor'...and do a Pedrosa on his team mate. [laugh]

CATCH UP...was looking very likely...beat him...I wouldn't have said that...


there ya go...LOL...I said it now...

but all it would have taken also, is Jorge to have a start or 2 from the back of the grid should his engine situation not pan out according to plan...that would have leveled the playing field a little bit also...

i don't even think it was likely.  i just think it was possible.  that, and shit almost always happens.

i think jorge is going to win.  i've thought that since Mugello.  i just liked that there was a possibility.  

i'm not... i was really just talking points on the table and the possibility that jorge had a bad weekend.

Lorenzo won 7 out of the first 10 races.
The other 3 0f those 10 races he finished 2nd.

Pedrosa had a 7th, 8th and a dnf in those 10.
He lost 53 points there.
Laguna finished his championship challenge.

And all this talk of an asterisk on Jorge's championship.
He's finished every f'n race so far, challenged for the win more often than he probably should have, and learned that 2nd is a lot better than kitty litter.
He deserves it.

Thank you. I thought I was the lone holdout for sense around here.

Where's fastwin, I mean RC51. He has some interesting opinions on Lorenzo. The only thing that seems to inspire his wrath more is Moto2

i don't think that anybody was saying it was LIKELY, merely a little more than mathematically possible given the number of races remaining.

look at it this way, a lorenzo dnf (for any reason, not necessarily a crash) could have eaten up nearly half the points deficit.

Well first he got the cake, now the icing. Yorgi can just cruise now.

Puig is gonna have a stroke if Lorenzo has to take another motor.

Lorenzo is having a similar year to Stoner in 07'.  Stoner was batshit fast and never went down, despite a career history of binning bikes like Jorge.  That's the way it goes sometimes.  Lorenzo has had one of those unbeatable years.  Who knows, next year Jorge might bin the bike again in 3-4 races, or the bike will drop off its pedestal. 

I do think Pedro was going to close the gap though.  I have a feeling Jorge is either going to take a 7th engine, or get stuck running tired engines.  I also feel Rossi's biggest motivation was to finish ahead of Jorge to help out Pedro.  Its all moot now.

While you do have a point, you have to consider that Stoner was on arguably the fastest bike on the grid (Even if it did only work for him) while this year the Yammyhammers have been consistently the  slowest on the paddock. Hell, even the customer Hondas and Suzukis have been faster than the factory Yamahas.

 I do feel like Lorenzo has better racecraft than stoner ever did, and is much stronger mentally, which is why i doubt he's gonna be broken by Rossi. If anything, the other way around.

Yeah, but in 07' the Ducati was leaps and bounds faster than anything out there, and again Stoner handled it perfectly while never crashing.  I agree Lorenzo is the best racer to come along since Rossi debuted ( probably going to be the next dominant force ), but the Yamaha's are so refined in the chassis department, they don't lose out despite being a bit slower.  The speed gap on most weekends isn't big enough to be considered a real handicap as it was in 07'.  They are slower yes, but in 07' it was magnified to a greater level.

Apparently, Ducatis are teh suck at Motegi.  Yamahas are not.

1. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1m 47.001s
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1m 47.055s
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 47.105s
4. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Fiat Yamaha Team 1m 47.206s
5. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 47.464s
6. Ben Spies USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 47.648s
7. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 1m 47.752s
8. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 47.914s
9. Alvaro Bautista ESP Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1m 48.002s
10. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1m 48.068s
11. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 48.182s
12. Marco Melandri ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 48.238s
13. Aleix Espargaro ESP Pramac Racing 1m 48.371s
14. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Interwetten Honda MotoGP 1m 48.396s
15. Hector Barbera ESP Paginas Amarillas Aspar 1m 48.535s
16. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 1m 49.480s

everybody seems to forget that they were also the only decent bike on good tires (bridgestones) while all the real competition was on a tire brand (michelin) that completely shit the bed.

Dovi on pole!

That's pretty ominous, I'd like to see him get a win.  [beer]

He said his race pace was looking good too, so we'll see how that shakes out.  He just needs to keeps clear of The Ben this time around, though I'd love to see a rehash of that battle from last round. 

That would be some good stuff.

Like Laverty/Sofuoglu.  [popcorn]

Would be nice to see him get a win, but I don't see him consistant enough over race distance to pull it off.  Lorenzo was just reeling off 47's in QP.  Dovi only had a couple, Rossi a bit more consistant, and Stoner his usual 8 laps or whatever he does with one good one.  I'd like to see him do it, but I think its unlikely.

Rossi vs. Lorenzo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was the greatest racing this year.  Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!

+1. Anyone else find it weird that for a race in Japan, there were visit Spain sponsor boards everywhere.

Great win for Casey. Rossi cut Yorgi's nuts off.  [clap] [clap]  [laugh]

WOW!!

 [clap] [clap] [clap]

Amazing riding by rossi. Anyone see hat happened to nicky? the onboard didnt show much

Awesome race. I hope Stoner keeps doing well and takes care of that bike and gets it ready for Rossi next year. I'm quite confident that Jorge is still the second best rider in the MotoGP and look forward to next year since I don't think he's a good enough developmental rider to make up for the loss of Furusawa, Rossi and Burgess. People have to face the fact that it was those three men made the bike what it is today. Lorenzo was gifted the result of incredible dedication by three of the greatest minds in racing ever. He's going to have a hard enough time keeping Ben behind him to be worried about winning a championship. I'm going to call it and say that just like Stoner this year is Jorge Lorenzo's fifteen minutes of fame.

As sad as it is to see Rossi struggle on a bum leg and shoulder I think at this point in his career it's good motivation. If he was considering retiring after last year I'm sure now it's the farthest thing from his mind. At least until he takes the Ducati to the top once again and solidifies his place as the greatest of all time.

No disrespect for Jorge, I've just been watching GP for long enough to have heard this all before. He's the next king, lol. The same thing was said about Pedrosa and Stoner.  [roll]

I'm a huge fan of Rossi, don't like Stoner much, but I do like Pedro.  That being said, Lorenzo is the best rider we've seen since Rossi joined the grid.  If you've been watching GP for "long enough" you should see he's clearly option "1a" when it comes to best racecraft in the field.

Lorenzo, while crash prone, had an amazing first couple seasons, despite commonly riding through heavy injuries.  Rossi will hang around a bit longer and could very well have another championship in him, but Lorenzo is nearing his abilities as a racer and arguably a better qualifier.  He also has the arrogance and youthful spirit that a certain man in bright yellow had when he entered the premier class.

Those of you with GP subscriptions make sure you watch Lorenzo's post race.

He is seriously butthurt about that battle.   [thumbsup]

Man that was awesome!!!

[laugh] [clap]

Wow

now thats a race !!!!!


LorenTHOe    suck my arrows

I listened to it in Spanish...what a whinger. 

Ahhh!!  Where is the post interview?!  What was said?  I was on the edge of my seat watching those last few laps.  Prior to that, I was saying to my wife that I didn't like that area under the bridge because it seems pretty dangerous if someone went off.  Isn't that where they were bumping?



Hey Stinkie.."Visit Spain" must be a GP sponsor this year.  It seems like they were all over Indy too, no?!

Rossi said he'd never win another GP...oops, sorry, that was the first spaniard he did that to. ;D

I would like to listen to this. It would definitely affect my endearment towards him.

Rossi = Eslick?  ;D

http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=268617 (http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=268617)
 
;D



(for reference:  http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=267899 (http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=267899))

I guess they didn't watch the WSBK race.

It was "Rubbing is racing" day in motorcycle racing. Funny thing is that in both cases it was by teammates.

Lorenzo can suck my balls.  [thumbsdown]

That was a great race (for 3rd anyway)!  [thumbsup]

Rossi again shows he's still a force.  [bow_down] [bow_down]

I haven't heard/read Lorenzo's whining, but I think it's great the Rossi/Lorenzo drama is heating up. Next year should be very interesting!  ;D

Lorenzo quote:

"The show is great for the people to enjoy and the business of motorcycle racing, it's fantastic, but when you are a rider who is on a MotoGP bike which gets up to 300 km/h in the straight and 180-200 km/h in the corners and you are feeling the other rider touch you it's not a great feeling or a good emotion because you know you are putting your life at risk," said Lorenzo in the attached video interview. "The three or four moves I made on Valentino I felt were correct and fair. On the other hand his moves were legal but on the limit, from my point of view. We have seen the way he likes to fight, it happened before with Gibernau, then with Stoner, and now with me. Maybe in the future his rivals will get a little bit mad and we will act like he usually does!"

Lorenzo complained that Rossi snapped Lorenzo's bra between classes and that it hoit him vewy vewy badwy.  Then Yamaha said that even though Rossi didn't get detention, he should be nicer to Lorenzo, who's been havin' a rough time lately, having just got his period and suffering through a bad case of acne. 

If Lorenzo's so concerned about the championship, how 'bout he doesn't try to pass Rossi in the last two laps?  What the make the beast with two backs did he expect to happen?  I watched it over and over again.  Rossi's moves--while aggressive--were fine.  If Lorenzo expects people just to pregnant dog up every time he puts a move on them, he's going to have to recalibrate his thinkin'.   

heheheh

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/163911/1/yamaha_rossi_was_too_aggressive.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/163911/1/yamaha_rossi_was_too_aggressive.html)

I thought there were no team orders in Yamaha.

"don't put your teammate at risk" is hardly a team order.

If both riders were coming back next year nothing would have been said IMO.

His teammate was at risk when he climbed on a bike that morning.

This is just to soothe Yourgheys butthurt feelings.

Would Lorenzo get the same "order"? It was best said earlier, he could have just let Rossi go. He had no way to fight for second. His ego was hurt and he wanted to make a point.

You don't want to make the beast with two backs with the doctor.
Valentino Rossi - Lorenzo - Guido Meda - Motegi 2010.mp4 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5FJ58b7FukY#normal)
(http://motogpworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/rossilorenzo1-500x318.jpg)

That announcer was definitely german.

I wonder if Rossi told him to suck it.  Telling competitive riders that they are "too aggressive" and to lay off other same manufacturer riders is lame.  If there aren't direct team orders, I don't see this little conversation changing anything.  If Rossi has the same position in Sepang, I think he'll stick it under Lorenzo's fairing once again.  Jorge would do the same thing, he just didn't happen to come out on top.

Magic 8-ball says Rossi is *definitely* not going to test the Duc at Valencia.  [laugh]

Probably one of the few cases where Rossi didn't think it through.

Or maybe he'll do it again and get fired. ;D

I didn't see the Indy race. Must be a Dorna thing.  ???

I thought the testing at Valencia was already out b/c Rossi was going to have surgery on his shoulder.   ???

I read somewhere where he said he'd wait till after testing because his recovery would be 2 months and he'd still have time.

Like Nick said...he didn't do his chances of Yamaha letting him test any favors.

Yeah, that's for sure.


For some reason I was thinking I'd seen that he was going to skip the last two races in order to have the surgery early so he could make sure he had time to recover.  Not sure what I'm thinking of.   ???



eta: I knew I wasn't crazy.  I can't find the article I read before, but this one's similar.  I'm not sure why, but I thought it was already a done deal, not that he was just considering it.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/163537/1/gardner_tells_rossi_go_for_surgery_now.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/163537/1/gardner_tells_rossi_go_for_surgery_now.html)

...“There is no implication of wrongdoing [by Rossi], otherwise Race Direction would have intervened....

now...that being said...if Jorge banged fairings with Rossi and situations were reversed...I think we'd be hearing different things...

I also think that if it were any rider against "not their own teamate"...we wouldn't be hearing much of a whince at all about this whole thing....

Ok, so I finally read the transcripts. Talk about you guys playing something up. The dude basically says that he feels that Rossi's moves were a little on the limit and threatens that next time he's gonna pay him with the same coin. I see no whining?  ???

"The show is great for the people to enjoy and the business of motorcycle racing, it's fantastic, but when you are a rider who is on a MotoGP bike which gets up to 300 km/h in the straight and 180-200 km/h in the corners and you are feeling the other rider touch you it's not a great feeling or a good emotion because you know you are putting your life at risk," said Lorenzo in the attached video interview. "The three or four moves I made on Valentino I felt were correct and fair. On the other hand his moves were legal but on the limit, from my point of view. We have seen the way he likes to fight, it happened before with Gibernau, then with Stoner, and now with me. Maybe in the future his rivals will get a little bit mad and we will act like he usually does!"

I'm the first one to say that someone is acting like a little pregnant dog, even riders I support. Hell, Stoner lost me as a fan because of all his complaining; but I really don't see any whining on this one. Stoner would still be crying about it. And you guys seem to forget the hissy fit Rossi threw a couple of years back about Elias.



To the guys that are complaining about the 125 stuff. There is a difference between rubbing fairings at 80 - 120mph and doing it at 160-200 mph. I think that probably has something to do with it.

And, not to burst anyone's OMG ROSSI FTW LOL moment, but Rossi was riding on an upgraded shiny new engine while Lorenzo was on the oldest and most tired engine he's raced on. IIRC the commentators were saying that Rossi's straight line speed was 6kph faster than Lorenzo's, that's not inconsequential.



Agreed.

I actually think the whole thing was awesome, regardless of outcome.

Damn straight. I certainly hope he does  ;D

That was his choice.

Not really. He only has on engine left. It would've been pretty stupid to use it up at Motegi. That's like saying "Shooting yourself in the crotch is your choice", yes, technically it is, but no one is gonna do it.

I don't think he really has much to worry about. Besides a very slim mathematical chance his title is pretty academic at this point like you've said. I read he did try the engine.

Truth is your boy has lost a little 'something' lately, and I don't say that to try to diminish his talent.

He still has lots to learn about racecraft IMO though...

After all...he's your age and some things are enhanced by advanced age. ;D

Yup, that something is called horsepower.

I do agree about the racecraft though. I only think he's gonna get better.

And you just have to bring the age thing up dontcha?  ;) It stings a little to see him living out my dream while I'm stuck in school  :P

and you figure...if Rossi is going to go have surgery and take the last 2 races off to do it...why not start to burn up that new engine in the home of your current employer and use it up before you go out...

It's called bullshit... :P

His motor wasn't an issue in the races he won.

Pure horsepower doesn't win races.

All the Ducati riders had the same horsepower in '07, '08, and this year yet Stoner was the only one that could use it, and even he couldn't lately.

It's never as simple as it appears.

Lorenzo was whining...just like Stoner did after Laguna. Same thing. Stoner got over it, and so will Lorenzo. As long as Lorenzo doesn't make a habit out of it (like Stoner) then who cares. Rossi whined about Elias as well.


Lorenzo hasn't been less dominating recently only due to horsepower. My guess is he is riding a tad more conservative since he knows he has the championship in the bag if he just finishes the races in a decent position. I think he just got caught up with racing Rossi this past race, because it's Rossi.

as the owner of a preeminent racing publication likes to say, "racers race."

once again, took me days to watch the damn race.  stupid kids.

WOW.  that was fun.  :)



exactly.  contracts are already signed.  this was just yamaha showing some marketing allegiance to the dude they now owe millions of dollars to.



i don't think so at all.  if the situation had been reversed i'd put money on rossi sitting there post-race with a great big smile on his face, talking about how much fun the battle was.

and once again, it's like george doesn't remember his 250 days.  just shut up and take home your title.  maybe you and stoner can start a new time-trials-only series.

 [laugh] [clap] [clap] [clap]

Or go race in F1, where you have to give way to someone who is faster instead of actually racing past them.  :D

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 I do feel like Lorenzo has better racecraft than stoner ever did, and is much stronger mentally, which is why i doubt he's gonna be broken by Rossi. If anything, the other way around.
[/quote] Ive been reading all your pregnant doging and moaning about Stoner (through this and other posts and not just by you) and on this one I just had to speak up, are you for make the beast with two backsing for real, better race craft? where the make the beast with two backs did do you get that from? metally stronger, what a load of bullshit.
Don 

Rossi broke him last week, crushed his soul would be a better term. When he didn't get "let by" he folded.

And then cried because he was all butthurt because of it. I am a Rossi fanboy. I won't deny it. I was giving Lorenzo his props right up until reading the transcript of his post rce interview. I'm sorry but what a little pregnant dog. Boo Hoo....I got sand in my vagina because Valentino wouldn't let me by.

Let's try to look at this from another perspective...

You're the Ducati team boss and you are watching the race...your new rider starting next year just let the new golden child from his previous team ride right by him without a fight...maybe the investment wasn't that sound...
Instead you watch your new guy soundly and firmly smack the ass of the douchey upstart that pushed the man who made Yamaha what it is today (with the help of Burgess and Furasawa) out and see that you made a great investment in a rider who still has a ton of fight left in him and refuses to roll over and lick the balls of the douches that hung him out to dry.

Honda did it to him...and now Yamaha. History will repeat itself and the make the beast with two backss over at yamaha will be standing there lookin' like a fool with their pants fallin' down.

Wish I knew who you calling full of shit. ;D

Love this thread!  Almost as entertaining as the actual event.   [thumbsup] 

So many thoughts on that one moment. 

Someone needs to remind George it's racing not a Sunday drive.  I'm sure he's pissed.  You kind of have to give him a little credit though, he's kept his whining to minimum.  It could have been worse.  Ask Cassey.

I've tried to dislike Rossi but it's hard.  The man shows up to race.  He doesn't show up to come in eight because the sun was in his eyes or let his team mate by because he's a whinny baby. 

Good for Rossi.  At lunch time he should go take George's milk.  Then George can join Cassy in the principle's office to tell on Rossi.  Do they have bullying rules in motogp, yet? 


You're make a boat load of money!  Show up and race!  Do the best you can.  If I wanted drama I'd watch daytime soaps! 

I think that MotoGP guys today are accustomed to a certain etiquette that was not there some years ago. Only a few riders remember the days of limited electronics where moves like the ones Rossi pulled on Jorge meant the difference between the victory wheelie or pounding your tank. I would hate to call Rossi old school, but I think that most of us would do good to look back at those races earlier this decade.

I would also hate to call him old school...BUT...he has ridden a 500 and knows from whence the heritage came and has a much better understanding of those days from long ago moreso than Jorge, Casey, and Dani for sure...not saying that the newer class of GP rider bred from the 250 realms can't understand...but I think they have detached themselves from whence they came and have not the bridge of understanding like the old class does...you ask Colin, Loris, Val, and maybe even to a small extent Nicky...you get a different feel....

This vid was pulled, anyone have another?

i think that jorge if he wants to get put rossi in his place should turn the tables and intimidate him in the next race.  if he already has the championship lined up and practically done he should basically do the stuff rossi does to him and basically run him off the track. 

the only way that rossi will ever back off of intimidating jorge will be if jorge shows him he is just as willing to crash to win a race and take both of them out  as rossi is. 

i think this has worked with pedrosa, pedrosa showed he is willing to crash a teamate for a win, ie, nicky and him and notice that rossi only on occasion has pulled the intimidation stuff with pedro but not nearly as much as gorge.

Doesn't have it in him to do that.

Stoner won.

I just think this is because Rossi hasn't really had the opportunity when it mattered. Pedrosa either jumps in the lead and leaves everyone, or he crashes trying to do so. I can't remember seeing any really good race battles with Pedrobot...the ones I remember he always ends up blowing a turn and getting passed comfortably.

The only one I can remember is when he and Lorenzo went at it earlier this year.  I remember being surprised that douchebot could actually race. 

didn't rossi or lorenzo bang bikes with pedro last yaer and pedro was pissed about that afterwards?  

if i was rossi i wouldn't try that stuff with pedro, afterall pedro is like him, he'll take out his own teamate that is ready to win a championship.  i'm sure pedro would have no problem taking out another guy from another team.

i know all of this "intimidation" stuff is all easier said than done, but its obvious that at this elite level there are guys that are willing to take those risks with intimidation to win races and get in other racer's heads and play mind games.  Rossi obviously being the master of this game in motogp.

you think he meant to do that?

It takes two to tango...

sorry, should have clarified: sbrguy, do you think that pedro took out nicky @ estoril intentionally?

And to add..... I've said it before on this topic, but go back and watch the race.  Nicky loses the front and almost takes out Pedro on a similar maneuver just a few laps before the famous incident.  He saved the bike, but it could have easily gone the other way.  Its just racing.  Crashes are just part of it.

Agreed, no one goes into a corner thinking that he will take the other rider out. He's probably thinking that he can squeeze into that small space. The aggressive riders are those that do that on a consistent basis. Pedro has not pulled those moves in a long time. Rossi seems to do once a season. He pulled it off in Laguna against Stoner and Motegi against Lorenzo. I don't see Stoner trying to bang with Rossi any more.

Don't forget Gibernau.  Rossi also took out Melandri from behind once (2006, I think?).

sete really made that look worse than it was... he could've very easily stayed on track and fought rossi for the position. it might not have changed anything, but he basically rode straight off track after rossi touched him.

I don't remember Rossi pulling one of these last year, but he was pretty much in control of the championship from the beginning of the season.

Maybe he was drawing the foul.

SPEED had this race on again last night.  F'n awesome.   [thumbsup]  I'd actually forgotten which race it was where Rossi and Lorenzo bashed fairings, so I got all excited when I realized which race I was watching.  So rad.  

And right before it, SPEED had Aragon on as well, which was where Dovi showed Spies what happens when you twist a Honda throttle and Spies responded by showing Dovi how to use the brakes.   Werd.

The off season sucks balls, but those were two good races even as repeats (well, two good finishes at least).

 [thumbsup]

double  [thumbsup]

that was some unreal riding.

What time did you see them?  They're listed as Fridays at 3AM on the east coast.... :P

Sounds right.  I think they were on at 11pm and midnight.  I just stumbled onto 'em.

They're both on my dvr.

Seems the box doesn't forget about racing in the off season.

 [thumbsup]

season passes are a wonderful thing.

There's some more GP and WSBK races coming on this week on SPEED.