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Title: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: velocipede on October 12, 2010, 01:10:23 PM I'm curious for any of you who've got S4Rx/SFighter/Speed Triple/Anything else with 100+ horsepower and ride primarily on the street...when does that much power become useful. I've never owned anything with more than 80ish HP (My current GT1000), and, after 20,000 miles, that still seems plenty. It's easy to get the front wheel up (sometimes too easy!) and on the twisty roads I like, there's not really enough room to unleash the kind of power a S4Rs can do, and, of course, there's the whole "doing 100mph+ isn't good the for the license thing". For track days, I can see the appeal, but I don't really get it for the street. My curiosity isn't just abstract, though, as I have to admit the lure of those more powerful bikes is appealing [evil], I'm just not sure I'd really feel like the extra $$ for power I'd never use would be justified. Thoughts?
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Spidey on October 12, 2010, 01:13:51 PM Get on a Streetfighter or literbike or any bike with stupid amounts of power. Find an open road. Go WFO. Therein lie all the answers, young Jedi. [evil]
100+ hp . . . Useful? Only for tracking down cruise missles. Will it give you a stiffy? Absolutely. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: minnesotamonster on October 12, 2010, 01:31:24 PM Personally, I am much more comfortable commuting on my s4r than my wifes 600 simply because of the extra power. A quick turn of the wrist can quickly get me out of a dangerous situation I may not have been able to otherwise.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Buckethead on October 12, 2010, 01:52:17 PM To make up for the fact that I have a tiny penis.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: SacDuc on October 12, 2010, 01:54:42 PM Get on a Streetfighter or literbike or any bike with stupid amounts of power. Find an open road. Go WFO. Therein lie all the answers, young Jedi. [evil] 100+ hp . . . Useful? Only for tracking down cruise missles. Will it give you a stiffy? Absolutely. 100+ hp will indeed give you a stiffy. A tiny tiny little stiffy. But it will be rock hard. sac Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 12, 2010, 01:57:20 PM Other than speed, any sort of highway cruising or long distance riding pretty much necessitates a liter bike. The gearing will be much more comfortable for these settings. My 696 on the highway SUCKS.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ab on October 12, 2010, 02:14:11 PM I find that I am happy for my Triumph s3 HP compared to my Monster 620. I get smoked on the str8 always ofcourse by others and even on the twisty I catch up to those that can't turn/lean but still the other good riders, I can't catch up.
But with the 100+HP, I have a chance and do keep up with them or in sight. So I do appreciate the HP now. Yeah, on a str8 empty, road, as someone mention - get a good stiffy going for sure [thumbsup] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Rameses on October 12, 2010, 02:30:01 PM Why? Because too much is almost enough. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: speedknot on October 12, 2010, 03:19:21 PM To make up for the fact that I have a tiny penis. [clap] to all the 100+hp bike owners with penis envy.No inhibition and big balls wins. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Rufus120 on October 12, 2010, 03:44:29 PM Isn't bigger (more powerful) always better?
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Lars D on October 12, 2010, 03:47:03 PM Because 130 to 150 hp will move me around better than 80 will.
Bigger bikes usually come with better suspension and brakes . There may be a Superduke behind you. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ute on October 12, 2010, 03:48:11 PM My buddy with the bussa says its fun having an automatic ....he never has to shift ...just leave it in 1st arround town
also doing 300kph will give you a stiffy Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: GBusa on October 12, 2010, 04:04:17 PM Isn't bigger (more powerful) always better? Why yes! Yes it is ;D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: 671M900 on October 12, 2010, 04:17:51 PM This is motorcycling in the 21st century. If you're not wanting more hp, even if you're over 100hp, you aren't doing it right.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Bladecutter on October 12, 2010, 04:34:45 PM Other than speed, any sort of highway cruising or long distance riding pretty much necessitates a liter bike. The gearing will be much more comfortable for these settings. My 696 on the highway SUCKS. I don't know what highways you're riding on (you might be talking about the Autobahn, for all I know), but here in Colorado, where the highways are anywhere between 50 mph and 75 mph posted, the 696 scoots along with the greatest of ease. Should one decide to crack the throttle open, and watch the speedo climb, it gets up to 118 mph before it starts to struggle. Now granted, the S2R1k can do the exact same thing with even less effort, and the massive acceleration doesn't start to slack off until you're north of 130 mph, but that's what you get with 43% more displacement. Now, the 848, is a variable story, depending on what gear you're in at the time you decide to rip the throttle back, and accelerate from 50 mph up to arrest me, but please have mercy, Mr Officer, speeds. If you were in 6th gear, you accelerate at a nice relaxed rate, until you personally run out of balls, somewhere in the 140 mph to 160 mph range (the bike still has more balls than you). If you were in second gear, you are now bouncing off the rev limiter, at exactly 100 mph. And I really do mean that it takes exactly as long as it just took you to read that sentence. Why do you need that much power at your finger tips? Its not to get out of the way is something dangerous happens, as 90% of the dangers that happen would be better suited to you scrubbing off speed instead of piling on more. Its simply because it's damn fun to have that mush power and acceleration available, all the time, whenever you desire it. A car that accelerates just as quickly as an 848 cost significantly more. Heck, a car that can accelerate as quickly as the 696 is going to cost more than an 1198S does. Its all about finding what floats your boat, of course. Some of us need the extra power to get our boat cruising along. ;) BC. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 12, 2010, 04:54:16 PM I don't know what highways you're riding on (you might be talking about the Autobahn, for all I know), but here in Colorado, where the highways are anywhere between 50 mph and 75 mph posted, the 696 scoots along with the greatest of ease. Should one decide to crack the throttle open, and watch the speedo climb, it gets up to 118 mph before it starts to struggle. Now granted, the S2R1k can do the exact same thing with even less effort, and the massive acceleration doesn't start to slack off until you're north of 130 mph, but that's what you get with 43% more displacement. I cruise usually at 80-85 mph. With aftermarket exhaust and no baffles, cruising in 6th around 6k is INCREDIBLY LOUD. Add in a few hours of this noise and you will understand my point. Cruising at 80 with a top speed of 120, I am at nearly 70% of my bikes max speed. Riding at high-rpm makes the bike much more "jumpy." Do that for a few hours and let me know comfortable it is. When I ride the S2r1k Cruising at 80 in 6th is comfortable and smooth, and the motor is not working hard to keep me there. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: mstevens on October 12, 2010, 05:03:46 PM My Multi 1200S has 150HP in Sport and Touring modes.
Do I need that much HP? No. Am I competent to handle it? No. Why do I have it? I want it. The bike, I mean. I liked the features and ergonomics. I still would have bought it with less HP. I have to say ,though, that it's fun to feel my head being forced backward through my helmet when I twist the grip. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zarn02 on October 12, 2010, 05:06:52 PM Why 100+hp?
In the immortal words of some Budweiser marketing writer: "Why ask why?" Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 12, 2010, 06:10:26 PM Why 100+hp? In the immortal words of some Budweiser marketing writer: "Why ask why?" haha.... I'll be using this often when people question my insane ideas. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: twolanefun on October 12, 2010, 06:19:24 PM Ego, period, unless you are doing track days or a very large person. I like my M900 on the street way more than the S2R1000. The fun factor is a twisty road where you are bouncing between 60-80, in most states 20 or more over is reckless. The Monster is not for the Interstate I don't care how much power it has. The ST3 is a better bike for that, it isn't fun until you get up to about 80 and even going up 3 on the rear sprocket you are not in the sweet spot in 6th gear and mine is very light, exhaust, wheels, and a few other parts swapped out. I'm not a big guy 5'9", 190 lbs and GF weighs around 119 lbs. We are quite comfortable anywhere on the ST3 at any speed and yes we had on a track 2up. I remember a trip over to Ohio on nice twisty back roads, where one rider had a totally tricked out, performance S4R, high comp pistons, port work, exhaust etc.. large rider who had lost a lot of weight but maybe down to 230 lbs, another rider 5'8" or so 150Lbs on a pretty stock 620 right behind me all day and walking away from that S4R among other bikes. The new 796 maybe be the perfect bike for street riding IMHO, no one listens, gotta have HP - no you need to spend some money on rider training/track days and riding. Just some food for thought. - Gene
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: muskrat on October 12, 2010, 06:43:33 PM I don't answer why questions :P
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: cokey on October 12, 2010, 06:45:45 PM Same reason I daily drive a 600 hp neon... cuz I want to/can and its damn fun..
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zarn02 on October 12, 2010, 06:51:51 PM Ego, period, unless you are doing track days or a very large person. Way to implicitly indict everyone who rides anything with more power than you think they Really Need. [roll] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: fastwin on October 12, 2010, 07:16:42 PM As the saying goes: when too much is just enough. [thumbsup] Works for 4 wheel hot rodders as well as scooter riders. [clap] What's wrong with you? [bang] You sick or something?
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: LA on October 12, 2010, 07:28:39 PM Same reason I daily drive a 600 hp neon... cuz I want to/can and its damn fun.. My 17 yo daughter has a really nice 280 HP neon and it's a gas, but 600? make the beast with two backs me! LA Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: geoffduc on October 12, 2010, 08:34:59 PM Two word's.....WHY NOT!!!!!!!!... ;) ;)
[coffee] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Raux on October 12, 2010, 09:19:33 PM Other than speed, any sort of highway cruising or long distance riding pretty much necessitates a liter bike. The gearing will be much more comfortable for these settings. My 696 on the highway SUCKS. what? I love doing 100mph on the 696. Hell I was doing 100mph for lengthy amounts of time this past weekend on the autobahn. oh and i always wear ear protection. gearing is the 15/45 and it loves those speeds. doesn't struggle to get there and has plenty of pull when i need to get out of the way of a random porsche flying up from behind. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 12, 2010, 09:32:00 PM what? I love doing 100mph on the 696. Hell I was doing 100mph for lengthy amounts of time this past weekend on the autobahn. oh and i always wear ear protection. gearing is the 15/45 and it loves those speeds. doesn't struggle to get there and has plenty of pull when i need to get out of the way of a random porsche flying up from behind. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE going 100+mph on the 696 (however, doing so may get you put in prison here) But riding for extended periods can get a bit unnerving. Something about the rpm's being so high get on my nerves after a while. I also use earplugs any time I'll be doing highway riding or long distance riding. You have stock gearing? I would have thought you dropped a tooth in the front after all the work you had done. Too be honest, now that I think about it, my 100+ dB exhaust may be at the source of this dilemma. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: slyfox on October 12, 2010, 10:24:50 PM Y?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz [moto] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: velocipede on October 13, 2010, 05:38:12 AM Awesome responses...like asking everyone in a methadone clinic "What's so great about drugs?" [laugh]
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Slide Panda on October 13, 2010, 05:42:55 AM yeah... good analogy.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducpainter on October 13, 2010, 05:45:22 AM I've had my monster for 10 years and always thought of it as the perfect street bike. Relatively comfortable for 300 mile days in the twisties with plenty of power for any circumstance.
My track bike for a long while was either the monster or a stock engined 750SS...pretty anemic. The 750 taught me how to ride the track better. Then I got a 996 for the track. Would I want a SBK for the street? No way... but I gotta tell ya... the monster is the bike that feels anemic now. ;D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: wbeck257 on October 13, 2010, 06:02:14 AM the two funnest street bikes i have put down 30 - 35hp.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 13, 2010, 08:19:07 AM After a 6 hour ride on my 1098 R I will tell you riding at 85 in a flash is down right F-U-N. ( about 178 RWHP ) I know it's illegal ........but I ride where enforcement is light and the roads are great ! I am always looking a 1/4 mile ahead of me when I can and when I'm hitting the corners at at least twice the posted speed it just feels right. Then there are the times when I just like to twist the throttle a bit and watch 125 mph come up so fast that I can hardly believe it. Usually there are several power wheelies involved when I twist the throttle and I'm always amazed when that front end comes up off the ground ....I feel like I'm getting ready to take flight. After 2 1/2 years of riding the " R " it just feels natural to power up and fly through the country side. It kind of reminds me of the pictures of a guy riding a " jet sled ." Even w, a full face Helmet and Visor down , my face still gets distorted as the bike tries to run out from under me. Power and speed are very addictive. I wouldn't have it any other way. Dolph (http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn198/DoubleEagle_photo/ride.gif) You sound exactly like an addict. ;D Literally, every line from this post justifies an addiction. NICE! Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: DucofWestwood on October 13, 2010, 08:59:15 AM because lane-splitting means you never have to slow down! ;D
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Blackout on October 13, 2010, 11:33:54 AM Why the hell not?!
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: SacDuc on October 13, 2010, 11:55:07 AM Why the hell not?! Because at no point during your street riding do the laws of physics allow you to utilize that much power. Because, unless you have been trained and have years of experience, that amount of acceleration can be deadly. Because if you want to get around that corner faster your money is better spent on lighter rotating mass and better suspension. Because you need 1000cc if you've maxed out a Japanese 600 on the street and you ride it so perfectly that you just can't get through that canyon any quicker (Hint: no you haven't.) Because you look like you are compensating. Because you will look that much sillier when a m750 making 65 hp is riding up your ass through the twisties. sac /there is a tiny percentage of riders who can actually utilize that much power //props to you if you are among them /// for everyone else, don't worry 150+ hp wins the bench race every time Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zooom on October 13, 2010, 12:42:10 PM I don't want a 150+ hp....but my current 72-ish hp Cagiva Gran Canyon tachs at 5K+ rpms when rolling on the highway at 75-80mph(and yes, some of that is due to gearing I am sure)....the replacement machine I have my eye on which is a reported 114 hp is more than enough to make that 75-80mph much more comfortable for those times I'll find myself in that zone....sure it'll have other benefits...but that is the huge + for me in that department.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Raux on October 13, 2010, 12:44:40 PM Don't get me wrong. I LOVE going 100+mph on the 696 (however, doing so may get you put in prison here) But riding for extended periods can get a bit unnerving. Something about the rpm's being so high get on my nerves after a while. I also use earplugs any time I'll be doing highway riding or long distance riding. the extra 500 or so rpm is why i went back to the 15t along with having the DP ECU and the singarm angle changed, it was the right move. I also added the Electraen (sp?) throttle cam. All together I have a smoother ride with lower rpms at high speed cruising and a top end I haven't touch yet... You have stock gearing? I would have thought you dropped a tooth in the front after all the work you had done. Too be honest, now that I think about it, my 100+ dB exhaust may be at the source of this dilemma. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: NorDog on October 13, 2010, 02:07:14 PM "100 HP on the street...why?"
Because I don't ride in the dirt. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Scotzman on October 13, 2010, 02:15:51 PM "100 HP on the street...why?" I don't know why this wasn't brought up earlier [beer]Because I don't ride in the dirt. The couple of days I had the SF while my 695 was being serviced, it was very nice to be in 4th or 5th at lower RPMS, vice 6th gear at 6k for freeway riding. Twisties on the SF, I'd still be in the hospital, so it depends on your definition of "street". Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: DucofWestwood on October 13, 2010, 02:36:55 PM The couple of days I had the SF while my 695 was being serviced wait ... are you saying you brought a 695 in for servicing and they gave you a StreetFighter as a loaner bike? who is your dealer? Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: muffinman on October 13, 2010, 02:39:52 PM /there is a tiny percentage of riders who can actually utilize that much power //props to you if you are among them /// for everyone else, don't worry 150+ hp wins the bench race every time ...so? If I was reasonable, I wouldn't have purchased a motorcycle in the first place ;D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: SacDuc on October 13, 2010, 03:36:20 PM ...so? If I was reasonable, I wouldn't have purchased a motorcycle in the first place ;D [laugh] Fair enough. sac Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Bladecutter on October 13, 2010, 04:42:49 PM I cruise usually at 80-85 mph. With aftermarket exhaust and no baffles, cruising in 6th around 6k is INCREDIBLY LOUD. Add in a few hours of this noise and you will understand my point. Well, who told you to mess up your bike for highway riding by changing the exhaust system, and probably the gearing, too? My gf's 696 is 100% stock, and will most likely live out its life that way. Same deal with my 848. We wear ear plugs on every ride, not just the highway jaunts. I lost more of my hearing than I wish I had due to not wearing ear plugs while riding, so I have to keep what's left. It also keeps the ringing down as much as possible using the plugs. Anyway, the 696 does 85 mph perfectly fine. Much better than the average motorcyclist can. For much longer than any human can, if you had a never ending tank of gas. Don't worry about the bike, it can do more than any of us can throw at it. As for the original question: Sure, my 848 is complete overkill for the street, but I love the way it looks, handles, sounds, and feels, as I zip around the city streets. Even if I'm not using 100% of the bike's abilities, I'm getting 100% of the possible enjoyment just riding it. If you can't understand that, then there's no hope for you ever understanding. BC. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: the_Journeyman on October 13, 2010, 05:18:46 PM Why 100+ HP? Better power wheelies out corners. [moto]
JM Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Scotzman on October 13, 2010, 08:05:28 PM wait ... are you saying you brought a 695 in for servicing and they gave you a StreetFighter as a loaner bike? who is your dealer? Dealer: Uhhh, we're sorry we didn't get to your bike today (walks through showroom), would you be okay with taking a streetfighter home?Me: Yaaa, I guess so. Had some chaffing from the ride home due to wetting myself. Moto Forza in San Diego Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 13, 2010, 08:10:12 PM Dealer: Uhhh, we're sorry we didn't get to your bike today (walks through showroom), would you be okay with taking a streetfighter home? Me: Yaaa, I guess so. Had some chaffing from the ride home due to wetting myself. Moto Forza in San Diego WTF Why does everyone else have an awesome dealer in their area... The three dealers I have worked with when asked about loaners, one after 3 weeks of holding my bike without even looking at it "absolutely no loaner bikes" Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Turf on October 13, 2010, 08:17:21 PM WTF Why does everyone else have an awesome dealer in their area... The three dealers I have worked with when asked about loaners, one after 3 weeks of holding my bike without even looking at it "absolutely no loaner bikes" possible loss to most dealerships are way to high Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: 671M900 on October 13, 2010, 08:38:17 PM At least you guys HAVE a Ducati dealer. [bang] [bang] [bang]
But that might be a blessing in disguise too... Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Scotzman on October 13, 2010, 09:19:21 PM At least you guys HAVE a Ducati dealer. [bang] [bang] [bang] The only way I could see this is because everytime I go by mine I have to go in and touch/smell stuff.But that might be a blessing in disguise too... Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Rufus120 on October 13, 2010, 09:57:55 PM Because at no point during your street riding do the laws of physics allow you to utilize that much power. Because, unless you have been trained and have years of experience, that amount of acceleration can be deadly. Because if you want to get around that corner faster your money is better spent on lighter rotating mass and better suspension. Because you need 1000cc if you've maxed out a Japanese 600 on the street and you ride it so perfectly that you just can't get through that canyon any quicker (Hint: no you haven't.) Because you look like you are compensating. Because you will look that much sillier when a m750 making 65 hp is riding up your ass through the twisties. sac /there is a tiny percentage of riders who can actually utilize that much power //props to you if you are among them /// for everyone else, don't worry 150+ hp wins the bench race every time There you go, trying to bring common sense into the conversation. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 13, 2010, 10:01:32 PM At least you guys HAVE a Ducati dealer. [bang] [bang] [bang] But that might be a blessing in disguise too... haha true.. To be honest the dealers have some nice people. The employees/tech guys are friendly and love to talk tech. The owners for some reason, are usually pricks... Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: sbrguy on October 13, 2010, 10:14:06 PM I think even Tamburini aka "the most awesome motorcycle designer ever" said in an interview that you don't need any more than 100hp on the street.
but then again he went and designed the MV Agusta F-4 that had at least 40hp more than 100 when it first came out, so who knows. maybe you get a really fast bike for the only reason that is logical. Because you have the financial means to do so. Any other reason is just smoke and mirrors. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zarn02 on October 13, 2010, 10:33:40 PM *sigh*
Every year engines advance and vehicles of all stripe gain more power (among other moves forward). Left to the "You don't need more than __HP for the street" crowd we'd all be puttering 'round with Model A's, or Royal Enfields, or what have you, because they had enough power to get you from point 'A' to point 'B', and that's all you need for the street. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: kopfjäger on October 13, 2010, 10:45:16 PM *sigh* Every year engines advance and vehicles of all stripe gain more power (among other moves forward). Left to the "You don't need more than __HP for the street" crowd we'd all be puttering 'round with Model A's, or Royal Enfields, or what have you, because they had enough power to get you from point 'A' to point 'B', and that's all you need for the street. ;) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: kopfjäger on October 13, 2010, 10:55:42 PM D@mn - what was the question? The question was, why don't I have a 250 Ninja. :D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: kopfjäger on October 13, 2010, 11:25:21 PM Oh yeah right - 'cause I'm not 11 years old anymore! 8) [thumbsup] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: He Man on October 14, 2010, 05:25:16 AM saw this thread a few days ago.
borrowed a 1098 yesterday and took it around town and let it rip on the back streets a bit. no real turning xpt for onramps n shit. go ride a 100+hp bike then come back. if you dont enjoy it then youre not a man. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 14, 2010, 09:04:08 AM go ride a 100+hp bike then come back. if you dont enjoy it then youre not a man. [beer] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Goat_Herder on October 14, 2010, 09:25:18 AM Q: 100 HP on the street...why?
A: up sell for more profit margin. plus people truely believe that they need that much power in a bike or car. Not a question of being a man or not. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: nicrosato on October 14, 2010, 09:38:37 AM Quote Q: 100 HP on the street...why? A: up sell for more profit margin. plus people truely believe that they need that much power in a bike or car. Not a question of being a man or not. +1. It's all about marketing and sales. I realize it's difficult for some people to accept, but there is an actual difference between riding on the street and riding on the track. It's the squid in all our brains that's probably the source of this confusion. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Desmo Demon on October 14, 2010, 09:39:02 AM I've been on the street for right at 200k miles over 17 years and I finally bought my first 100+ hp bike a few weeks ago and still have not ridden it. I've never needed 100+ hp on the street, but there have been a lot of times I really could have used it.
I do almost all my riding in the mountains, and my favorite bike is my ST2 with 83-hp at the crank (a little more now with some mild mods). I LOVE to freak the cr@p out of people when I'm up their tail end or passing them with my bagger and they have more HP than me, but......I can't tell you the number of times I can NOT safely pass someone clogging up the twisties and being an absolute aass because he's all over the road in the curves and nails it in the short straights. I've had some really nice runs ruined by aasshats who refuse to accept they are a moving roadblock. That extra HP can be really nice at times, but it sure isn't needed, per se. I know some people who, on a Ninja 250, can embarrass the heck out of some people with liter bikes. When we picked up the wife's R1 a few years ago, I rode it the first weekend we had it. I will honestly say it was such an awesome bike between handling, low-end torque, and the 100+ HP, that it was an absolute blast to ride. After that weekend, I almost sold my 748 to go buy an R1 like hers. With the silly things I do with less than 100 HP, including hitting 150-ish on the street with my 748 and out-running cops in the twisties on my ST2, 100+ HP will be well over the top and a whole lot more fun......I can't wait. This 150+ HP of my GSXR-1100 is going to be an orgasm of fun. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Desmo Demon on October 14, 2010, 10:00:16 AM there is an actual difference between riding on the street and riding on the track. So true....and perceptions are really funny. One person's butt-puckering, over-the-top speed and lean angle is another person's riding at 30% and cruising. I like to relate this with two examples. When I first met my wife, she was one of the smoothest and quickest riders around (I did not know this at the time). She was without a bike at the time and socializing at the local twisty-road hangout visiting with friends. A mutual friend had just done some mods to his bike and wanted her to take it up the road and see what she thought. I road along with her. I was amazed at how smooth she rode and had a difficult time keeping up with her. She was riding a borrowed SV650, borrowed helmet and gloves, and wearing a T-shirt and shorts and street shoes. After the run up the road, I complimented her on her riding and told her I would never ride that fast dressed the way she was. Her response? She laughed saying she was just cruising and taking it easy. The difference between our riding? I had 1" chicken strips on my tires and by this time, she'd worn holes through knee pucks and wore down footpegs. She truely was just cruising and taking it easy. The way I rode at that time, eight years ago, was "fast" to me, but these days, if I ride at that speed, I would rather go back home and get my Harley, because I can keep that pace on my big cruiser. The perception of speed, comfort zone, and safety margin are all determined by our riding ability. Even on my best day, I know that people like local racer Pete Freidland, who's been on a championship winning endurance racing team with Doug Polan, would think my current "fast" pace is a boring and a cruising pace for him. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: DucofWestwood on October 14, 2010, 02:07:09 PM Dealer: Uhhh, we're sorry we didn't get to your bike today (walks through showroom), would you be okay with taking a streetfighter home? Me: Yaaa, I guess so. Had some chaffing from the ride home due to wetting myself. Moto Forza in San Diego pardon the brief thread-jack, but that's just incredible. my dealer would have a nice hearty laugh if i proposed such a scenario. and i can't say i would blame them. you must have some good karma or something. hope you enjoyed it [thumbsup] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: He Man on October 14, 2010, 04:17:05 PM Q: 100 HP on the street...why? A: up sell for more profit margin. plus people truely believe that they need that much power in a bike or car. Not a question of being a man or not. Ever put ride 100+hp bike on the street? did you enjoy it? Was it fun? Its not a matter if you got the balls or not. its just a matter of being a MAN who likes to have fun. And if 100+hp is your idea of fun, then by the rights given to me by god, im going to exercise my damn right to ride a 100hp bike on the street and anyone whos going to try and stop me can kiss my ass. (not trying to be aggressive towards you, i just really had a blast on that 1098!!!) for the record, i think 100hp is the perfect amount of power for a bike. I wish the DS1000 pumped out 100RWHP. it would be the PERFECT bike. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducpainter on October 14, 2010, 04:53:24 PM Ever put ride 100+hp bike on the street? did you enjoy it? Was it fun? Its not a matter if you got the balls or not. its just a matter of being a MAN who likes to have fun. And if 100+hp is your idea of fun, then by the rights given to me by god, im going to exercise my damn right to ride a 100hp bike on the street and anyone whos going to try and stop me can kiss my ass. (not trying to be aggressive towards you, i just really had a blast on that 1098!!!) Boy...for the record, i think 100hp is the perfect amount of power for a bike. I wish the DS1000 pumped out 100RWHP. it would be the PERFECT bike. what do you know about being a man? Just sayin' ;D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: nicrosato on October 14, 2010, 05:01:40 PM Quote its just a matter of being a MAN who likes to have fun. ?? Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Porsche Monkey on October 14, 2010, 05:26:04 PM Boy... what do you know about being a man? Just sayin' ;D Ouch. that's harsh. Did you loose a wheel off your walker or something? ;D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducpainter on October 14, 2010, 05:30:13 PM Ouch. that's harsh. Did you loose a wheel off your walker or something? ;D Maybe it's harsh...come closer and I'll shov... :-*I just have a basic problem when someone with limited life experience starts telling people what makes a man. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Buckethead on October 14, 2010, 05:35:14 PM Ouch. that's harsh. Did you loose a wheel off your walker or something? ;D It caught on the doorjamb and his drink spilled. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Porsche Monkey on October 14, 2010, 05:41:32 PM Maybe it's harsh...come closer and I'll shov... :-* I just have a basic problem when someone with limited life experience starts telling people what makes a man. I was just giving you trouble. I know where you are coming from. [thumbsup] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Speeddog on October 14, 2010, 05:51:35 PM My S4 dynoed at just a shade over 100 at the rear wheel.
Since I got it in early '03, there's only been a handful of times I've had the throttle cable tight and wishing for more. But those times, I didn't *need* more. I think a few folks here are liking the torque of a big motor, I can appreciate that. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: He Man on October 14, 2010, 07:42:44 PM Maybe it's harsh...come closer and I'll shov... :-* I just have a basic problem when someone with limited life experience starts telling people what makes a man. 8) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: koko64 on October 15, 2010, 12:52:07 AM Wish my M900 had 100hp...
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: billruiz on October 15, 2010, 01:43:10 AM I'm with Dolph. Seriously, no one NEEDS a motorcycle to get through life...we WANT motorcycles. Living in Florida doesn't give me the most opportunities to hone my riding skills, but if I get the chance to momentarily twist the loud handle to 11, I'll do it and enjoy it. If Ducati put an 1198 motor in a Streetfighter, I would tend to buy that model unless it were 10K over the 1098.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: 77south on October 15, 2010, 07:48:15 AM for the record, i think 100hp is the perfect amount of power for a bike. I wish the DS1000 pumped out 100RWHP. it would be the PERFECT bike. If you give NCR enough money that engine can crank out 116hp. http://www.ncrfactory.com/eng/html/11.00.shtml (http://www.ncrfactory.com/eng/html/11.00.shtml) or 130hp. [evil] http://www.ncrfactory.com/eng/html/21.00.shtml (http://www.ncrfactory.com/eng/html/21.00.shtml) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Desert Dust on October 16, 2010, 05:30:20 AM Some people say speed kills. [bang]
Others say speed wins. [thumbsup] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: nicrosato on October 16, 2010, 08:53:24 AM Quote Others say speed wins. Wins what, exactly? Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zarn02 on October 16, 2010, 09:21:55 AM Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Johnny5 on October 16, 2010, 09:55:40 AM Personally, I think right around 80 HP and between 50-60 ft lbs of torque is exactly the perfect amount for the street. YMMV. My only problem with 100+ HP land speed missiles is that too many squids by them and drive like idiots making my insurance go up... lol
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zarn02 on October 16, 2010, 10:13:35 AM I think 100hp is a pretty arbitrary place to draw the line, and says more about how our brains are centered around base-10 finger counting than anything about bikes. [coffee]
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Raux on October 16, 2010, 10:43:12 AM it think it's more a power to weight ratio
100hp on a sub 400 lb bike is pretty significant 100hp on a 800 lb cruiser... meager Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Johnny5 on October 16, 2010, 10:56:41 AM it think it's more a power to weight ratio That's true, 80 HP and 50-60 ft lbs at 400 lbs weight is perfect for me... and not to go off topic... but that subframe on your bike looks fantastic. That bike is absolutely gorgeous.100hp on a sub 400 lb bike is pretty significant 100hp on a 800 lb cruiser... meager Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Raux on October 16, 2010, 11:05:18 AM That's true, 80 HP and 50-60 ft lbs at 400 lbs weight is perfect for me... and not to go off topic... but that subframe on your bike looks fantastic. That bike is absolutely gorgeous. thanks. I think Ducati should do all the subframes like that... smooth and painted to match the main frame Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Buckethead on October 16, 2010, 11:08:47 AM I think 100hp is a pretty arbitrary place to draw the line, and says more about how our brains are centered around base-10 finger counting than anything about bikes. [coffee] Aaaaahahahahaha. Too true. But "One hundred horsepower" rolls off the tongue better than "Seventy four point five seven kilowatts." Hmm... now there's a target to shoot for: 100 kW. [coffee] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Raux on October 16, 2010, 11:13:10 AM Aaaaahahahahaha. Too true. But "One hundred horsepower" rolls off the tongue better than "Seventy four point five seven kilowatts." Hmm... now there's a target to shoot for: 100 kW. [coffee] 1.21 gigawatts :o Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Buckethead on October 16, 2010, 11:23:33 AM 1.21 gigawatts :o <begin thread descent into absurdity> There's NO reason for that much power on the street. I mean, really. Even if your tires could take it, you'd never go faster than 88 mph. Hell, you can do that on a 40 hp M620. [coffee] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Johnny5 on October 16, 2010, 11:48:30 AM Run for it Marty!!!
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Desert Dust on October 16, 2010, 12:43:59 PM 100 ponies is just fine. It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
[laugh] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Porsche Monkey on October 16, 2010, 01:48:44 PM 100hp on the street? Its for when 140mph on your 620 isn't enough.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Johnny5 on October 16, 2010, 03:43:07 PM 100hp on the street? Its for when 140mph on your 620 isn't enough. Haha wait I know this reference, it's from the guy with the Capirex on that other site... lolTitle: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Porsche Monkey on October 17, 2010, 07:42:47 PM Haha wait I know this reference, it's from the guy with the Capirex on that other site... lol [thumbsup]Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: koko64 on October 17, 2010, 09:12:55 PM 90-100hp and 70-80 ft/lbs in a 365 lb bike. Just right.
Hey, that sounds like a tuned and lightened 1100 DS. :D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: fastwin on October 18, 2010, 06:49:37 AM My Hayabusa is my sport touring bike. It's got Yosh slip ons and a PC5. My old Busa set up in a similar fashion put 160+hp at the rear wheel. Of course it's also as heavy as a battle ship. I don't care about top speed or max horsepower. I just want monster (pun intended!) mid range. When I'm on a weekend ride on twisty roads in Arkansas and there's a RV pulling a boat with 6+ cars behind it going 25mph on my favorite tarmac I want all that hp and torque to squirt around them right now! Happiness is never having to down shift! ;D No, I don't "need" 160+ horsepower but it sure helps make those boat pulling RVs and logging trucks disappear in the mirror! [thumbsup] Which is nice. [bacon]
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: akmnstr on October 18, 2010, 07:06:43 AM 100+ HP allows me to make annoying cages disappear simply by rotating my right wrist. Imagine what it would be like if
you could make annoying coworkers disappear by rotating you right wrist. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Desert Dust on October 18, 2010, 02:55:19 PM ^^^Amen! [thumbsup]^^^
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: the_Journeyman on October 18, 2010, 02:59:22 PM On the other hand, I feel better about my 62HP and 80HP Ducs and feel better about riding the 58HP Hawk my wife has. I'm probably fastest on the Hawk.
JM Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Raux on October 18, 2010, 09:40:27 PM 180 + RWHP helps when you're chasing a Lambo Murcielago, a Porche 911 Turbo and Lamborghini Gallardo through the hills yesterday ! Dolph [evil] ok you win. that is the BEST reason for HP Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: matt922 on October 18, 2010, 09:42:05 PM 180 + RWHP helps when you're chasing a Lambo Murcielago, a Porche 911 Turbo and Lamborghini Gallardo through the hills yesterday ! ... in soviet russia, 180whp chases you! :oDolph [evil] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: LA on October 22, 2010, 06:09:02 PM Why a hundred HP?
Because 99 isn't quite enough. LA Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducatiz on October 22, 2010, 06:11:33 PM Why? Because too much is almost enough. Thank you, Mae West. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Popeye the Sailor on October 23, 2010, 05:05:12 AM Why a hundred HP? Because 99 isn't quite enough. LA I've got 99 problems.... Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 23, 2010, 08:29:38 AM I've got 99 problems.... ....but a pregnant dog ain't one. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: LMT on October 23, 2010, 03:24:22 PM Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Turf on October 23, 2010, 03:31:06 PM ? 99 PROBLEMS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwoM5fLITfk#normal) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: He Man on October 23, 2010, 03:34:11 PM Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Turf on October 23, 2010, 03:45:22 PM what country you from? it's just the crazy 40 somethings we'll be just as lost when they make 'Asia' references ;D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: LMT on October 23, 2010, 04:04:31 PM what country you from? I am 46 year old white woman and mostly listen to NPR. Never heard of the song. :) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Turf on October 23, 2010, 04:07:36 PM I am 46 year old white woman and mostly listen to NPR. Never heard of the song. :) I heart Wiretap /threadjack not that this thread was going anywhere Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 23, 2010, 04:17:04 PM I heart Wiretap /threadjack not that this thread was going anywhere :-X Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducpainter on October 23, 2010, 04:22:13 PM I heart Wiretap /threadjack not that this thread was going anywhere pretty much. Time for the lock?Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Buckethead on October 23, 2010, 05:06:57 PM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
...okay. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducpainter on October 23, 2010, 05:15:38 PM Bring it back then... :-*
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Porsche Monkey on October 23, 2010, 06:21:44 PM Rode an 848 today. The over 100 horsepower was very satisfying. The riding position wasn't. :P
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: poseur on October 23, 2010, 08:56:57 PM I cruise usually at 80-85 mph. Oh really? In what country and on what roads? I don't see how that's possible anywhere in California. Not for any extended period time anyway. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: kopfjäger on October 23, 2010, 09:06:02 PM Oh really? In what country and on what roads? I don't see how that's possible anywhere in California. Not for any extended period time anyway. Remember he is awesome. [laugh] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 23, 2010, 09:07:17 PM Oh really? In what country and on what roads? I don't see how that's possible anywhere in California. Not for any extended period time anyway. USA PA, try RT81. 2 hours of high speed riding with no problems. Now I don't ride these roads for "fun" riding in a straight line is boring, I go fast to make the ride short as possible. Remember he is awesome. [laugh] 8)Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: koko64 on October 23, 2010, 09:52:09 PM Saw OZ MCN mag quote the new ZX10R as having 209hp (at the crank I think).
100 hp and 75ft/lb of torque would therefore make for a usable and civilized street bike. I reckon Travman and Unge should get that in the end. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Povidius on October 23, 2010, 11:24:29 PM Oh really? In what country and on what roads? I don't see how that's possible anywhere in California. Not for any extended period time anyway. Carpool lane on the 405. I average 80/85 all the time (cars move at that speed, too). Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: He Man on October 24, 2010, 08:32:13 PM make the beast with two backs im in NYC and im doing 80/85. even though the speed limit is 55 state wide here, ive never seen a cop give u shit on 6 lane highway.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: sbrguy on October 24, 2010, 09:52:38 PM finally rode a friends 06 cbr1000rr with 145hp stock bike, and i have to say i completely don't understand why people buy sport bikes if you live in a congested dc area or suburbs.
the position is not what i would say is conducive to comfort, for the track its great but for everyday riding it sucks, eithe rthat or i'm getting too old. lol and the power of an inline 4 with that hp is completely useless i was going 80 and it was simple and the bike was only in 2nd or 3rd gear out of 6 and it wasn't even going above 7k rpm and peak hp is at 12k.. wtf? wow is all i can say if you have the roads to actually use this thing more power to you, i personally don't see how its very useful at all except in very sparse areas if even there and the track. taht being said i see why the monsters and naked bikes are so popular they are just comfortable for everyday use. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Scotzman on October 25, 2010, 06:46:00 AM Oh really? In what country and on what roads? I don't see how that's possible anywhere in California. Not for any extended period time anyway. Up and down I15 through San Diego and Riverside counties I set the cruise around 85.Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: derby on October 25, 2010, 07:11:42 AM Oh really? In what country and on what roads? I don't see how that's possible anywhere in California. Not for any extended period time anyway. seriously? just about every freeway in the los angeles area "cruises" at 80-85mph (when it's not rush hour). Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: derby on October 25, 2010, 07:13:05 AM I think 100hp is a pretty arbitrary place to draw the line, and says more about how our brains are centered around base-10 finger counting than anything about bikes. [coffee] you're right.. and since we're just being arbitrary, gimme 200hp. [evil] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducpainter on October 25, 2010, 07:15:00 AM seriously? just about every freeway in the los angeles area "cruises" at 80-85mph (when it's not rush hour). pretty similar on the interstates out this way too.Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 25, 2010, 08:13:30 AM pretty similar on the interstates out this way too. I think the speed limits needs to be raised (maybe just for bikes :P). On I-81 in some areas posted limit is 55 and traffic is moving at 80-85 because 55 is just too damn low for a major highway. Doing 85 in a 55 would be a mandatory license suspension and 6+ points on driving record. Though, I wonder if the limits were raised to 80mph would people cruise 100+, in which case having 100+ horsepower would be warranted, if not necessary. ;) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: NorDog on October 25, 2010, 09:37:21 AM When the traffic does flow on the highways here in LA it is often traffic averaging at least 70mph regardless of the actual speed limit and regardless of the level of congestion.
I may not be able to run a wide open throttle in 6th gear, but that power is such that it delivers a sufficient burst of speed while in 3rd or 4th gear while trying to dodge asshat drivers who would otherwise run over me without knowing. It's not like you can look at a dyno chart and say, "Yeah all this in the middle is good, but all this power beyond here is too much. Cut the power at the top, but leave it in the middle." Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Desmo Demon on October 25, 2010, 12:48:33 PM Since the conversation has slid in the direction of superslabbing it on the Interstate.....if you want to have fun on a bike on the Interstate, ride I-40 between Knoxville, TN and Asheville, NC. You don't even have to speed that much to have some fun. ;)
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Buckethead on October 25, 2010, 01:16:13 PM ...and then hop off at Asheville and continue north on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducatiz on October 25, 2010, 03:08:29 PM It's not like you can look at a dyno chart and say, "Yeah all this in the middle is good, but all this power beyond here is too much. Cut the power at the top, but leave it in the middle." governor. ahem. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Buckethead on October 25, 2010, 05:26:33 PM Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: NorDog on October 25, 2010, 06:07:22 PM governor. ahem. Well yeah, there are artificial ways to impose speed restrictions, if you're into that sort of thing. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Preisker on October 27, 2010, 08:10:56 PM Have you ever ridden a ZX-10 or R-1 or CBR1000RR? Can you say, "150 mph roll on?" I know you can. Those things will do 100 in first.
But why you ask? It's like cocaine. A little is good. More is better. Too much is just right. Oh yeah, Carlin at SB Ducati let me ride a Multi 1200S. Probably the most fun I've ever had on a streetbike. After all, you don't have to ride it wide open. You just motor along and pull wheelies at will, without much effort at all. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: poseur on October 27, 2010, 08:12:42 PM I have lots of roads in S.C and S. Eastern , Ohio where I can cruise 85 mph Seriously? That's unbelievable. Well, good luck with that. And be careful. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: kopfjäger on October 27, 2010, 08:30:46 PM Because 180+ is a bit much.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 27, 2010, 09:29:48 PM Because 180+ is you meant this right? ;DTitle: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: poseur on October 28, 2010, 07:39:06 AM What's so unbelievable about that ? It's unbelievable that you haven't been caught and had your bike confiscated. Keep it up and it's only a matter of time. With most states' budgets being what they are, they're bound to go for the low hanging fruit that is traffic tickets. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: NorDog on October 28, 2010, 07:58:03 AM It's unbelievable that you haven't been caught and had your bike confiscated. Keep it up and it's only a matter of time. With most states' budgets being what they are, they're bound to go for the low hanging fruit that is traffic tickets. Hey, quit sounding like someone's mother. [cheeky] There are many places I've ridden where just staying slightly ahead of the flow of traffic easily puts you at 80 - 85 mph. And for me, I would rather run the risk of a ticket that be on a bike in SoCal highway traffic with a lane position static in relation to all the cars and trucks. The former is rare; the latter a recipe for human road pizza. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zooom on October 28, 2010, 08:19:10 AM make the beast with two backs im in NYC and im doing 80/85. even though the speed limit is 55 state wide here, ive never seen a cop give u shit on 6 lane highway. you must ride with these guys... http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/08/new-yorks-fastest-2/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/08/new-yorks-fastest-2/) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: SacDuc on October 28, 2010, 08:46:11 AM Have you ever ridden a ZX-10 or R-1 or CBR1000RR? Can you say, "150 mph roll on?" I know you can. Those things will do 100 in first. But why you ask? It's like cocaine. A little is good. More is better. Too much is just right. Oh yeah, Carlin at SB Ducati let me ride a Multi 1200S. Probably the most fun I've ever had on a streetbike. After all, you don't have to ride it wide open. You just motor along and pull wheelies at will, without much effort at all. Here's the thing about that . . . I actually like shifting. I think it is a part of the motorcycle riding experience. I ride a 620 and when doing the 30-80mph twisties that are in abundance around here I'm using my clutch friggin' constantly. Much more than even with my 750. I think I would miss that challenge of setting my gear/speed/revs correctly before entering a corner. Its difficult on a 620 to come into a corner with enough speed and still have power left to pull out of it. Its fun to laugh at my self when I go screaming through a tight corner and then get on the throttle and have nothing there. If I want to go faster I'll just have to use better judgment next time. I'm damned and determined to max out my 620 on the road before I get a bigger bike. Some basic mods will help me go faster, but really, the only way I'm going to keep up with bigger bikes in the corners is to become a better rider. I feel like having unlimited power is taking a short cut. As the saying goes, "I would rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow." sac Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 28, 2010, 09:09:01 AM you must ride with these guys... http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/08/new-yorks-fastest-2/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/08/new-yorks-fastest-2/) Just read that article, what a bunch of make the beast with two backsing retards.. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zooom on October 28, 2010, 09:21:05 AM Just read that article, what a bunch of make the beast with two backsing retards.. yup.... Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Raux on October 28, 2010, 09:40:36 AM I think they bring a whole new attitude to the bike than others.
They are criminals, organized crime types. It's a life choice. The bikes, are just like anything else in their life, to the extreme. They aren't poseurs, they're the real deal. Retards? no. they are smart, they are calcuated. I like their attitudes towards the half-helmet, t-shirted rider. I like that they know when and where to do it with minimal danger to others Do I respect them? No. Do I respect their riding ability? Yes Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 28, 2010, 09:57:43 AM I think they bring a whole new attitude to the bike than others. They are criminals, organized crime types. It's a life choice. The bikes, are just like anything else in their life, to the extreme. They aren't poseurs, they're the real deal. Retards? no. they are smart, they are calcuated. I like their attitudes towards the half-helmet, t-shirted rider. I like that they know when and where to do it with minimal danger to others Do I respect them? No. Do I respect their riding ability? Yes Then we can reach a consensus on then being smart-retards? Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: matt922 on October 28, 2010, 10:04:47 AM It's unbelievable that you haven't been caught and had your bike confiscated. Keep it up and it's only a matter of time. With most states' budgets being what they are, they're bound to go for the low hanging fruit that is traffic tickets. cool your jets broseph We ride motorcycles. Motorcycles are toys. Toys are a thing to enjoy. If he can enjoy it safely at his discretion, so be it. It wont be my 1098R that he wads up, its his, and i really doubt he'd want to do that. If you can enjoy accelerating to 85 and not any faster, that's great, have fun. annnd, Who gets tickets when the cops can't catch up? [evil] [laugh] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 28, 2010, 10:20:26 AM cool your jets broseph We ride motorcycles. Motorcycles are toys. Toys are a thing to enjoy. If he can enjoy it safely at his discretion, so be it. It wont be my 1098R that he wads up, its his, and i really doubt he'd want to do that. If you can enjoy accelerating to 85 and not any faster, that's great, have fun. annnd, Who gets tickets when the cops can't catch up? [evil] [laugh] I dislike the word "toy" to describe a motorcycle. Like a firearm, a bike will kill you if not respected. Though I can't think of another word to describe how bikes are used....fun-machine? ;D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: derby on October 28, 2010, 10:49:45 AM cool your jets broseph We ride motorcycles. Motorcycles are toys. Toys are a thing to enjoy. If he can enjoy it safely at his discretion, so be it. It wont be my 1098R that he wads up, its his, and i really doubt he'd want to do that. If you can enjoy accelerating to 85 and not any faster, that's great, have fun. annnd, Who gets tickets when the cops can't catch up? [evil] [laugh] this is a very "american" point of view. everywhere else in the world, they're (primary) transportation. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducatiz on October 28, 2010, 11:00:13 AM Sure, elsewhere they pay 10 bucks for a gallon gas.
Except in the oil countries, they drive lambos and bentleys. Why is that? Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zooom on October 28, 2010, 11:28:58 AM I dislike the word "toy" to describe a motorcycle. Like a firearm, a bike will kill you if not respected. Though I can't think of another word to describe how bikes are used....fun-machine? ;D RECREATIONAL! Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: SacDuc on October 28, 2010, 12:16:19 PM Just so I have this straight let me recap: Having 11ty billion horse power is awesome! *Reads about NY's Fastest* But if you actually use it you are a total retard! :-\ sac Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 28, 2010, 12:55:00 PM Just so I have this straight let me recap: Having 11ty billion horse power is awesome! *Reads about NY's Fastest* But if you actually use it you are a total retard! :-\ sac Doing what these folks do IS STUPID. Racing 180mph on public streets every damn night of the week is not an intelligent thing. Is anyone on here condoning organized competitive street racing in an urban area? I don't think so... It's putting many people at risk. Going WOT on your bike on the open road or tearing up some twisties is a LOT different than what these NY riders are doing. I dont think Dolph goes out every damn day and races TOP SPEED for miles (actually he probably does) but not through a metropolitan area at 140+ mph, and probably not while racing other riders to make sure "he's the fastest." (dolph might be a bad example for this) ;D Am I making sense now? Hell, the article even talks about riders dying while racing at night balls out. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: NorDog on October 28, 2010, 01:23:18 PM 180 mph on public roads is really stupid. Trust me. I speak from first hand experience, and was fortunate to live to tell about it. Unfortunately, my beloved Monster 620 Capirex is still impounded.
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: derby on October 28, 2010, 01:25:52 PM 180 mph on public roads is really stupid. Trust me. I speak from first hand experience, and was fortunate to live to tell about it. Unfortunately, my beloved Monster 620 Capirex is still impounded. i see what you did there. ;D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: SacDuc on October 28, 2010, 01:27:48 PM Veloce-Fino, unless I'm misunderstanding, you just illustrated my point: it is really cool to have the power so long as you don't use it. So why not own a different bike with less hp? sac Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: NorDog on October 28, 2010, 01:29:27 PM Veloce-Fino, unless I'm misunderstanding, you just illustrated my point: it is really cool to have the power so long as you don't use it. So why not own a different bike with less hp? sac Isn't that like saying I shouldn't own a gun if I don't want to walk down the street shooting OVER the heads of pedestrians? Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: SacDuc on October 28, 2010, 01:34:32 PM Isn't that like saying I shouldn't own a gun if I don't want to walk down the street shooting OVER the heads of pedestrians? No. Its like saying that you shouldn't sleep in tank for personal protection when a couple of dogs and a .45 will do the trick. If you are sleeping in a tank for personal protection and you're in Baghdad or Kabul I could understand. If you are in suburban Iowa I would say that its a bit of over kill. sac Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 28, 2010, 01:36:27 PM Isn't that like saying I shouldn't own a gun if I don't want to walk down the street shooting OVER the heads of pedestrians? I like this metaphor. Sac, Who draws the line? What is enough, too much, too little. You can't answer this. With time comes progress. Better, more powerful bikes are inevitable. Just a few years ago there were no 100+ hp street bikes. Based on what you are saying no one should have upgraded because it is not necessary or appropriate for the street. Apply your thinking to anything and see what I mean. Why have nice homes, fast cars, big tv's? None of them are required or needed. We do because we can, and that's reason enough. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: NorDog on October 28, 2010, 01:37:00 PM No. Its like saying that you shouldn't sleep in tank for personal protection when a couple of dogs and a .45 will do the trick. If you are sleeping in a tank for personal protection and you're in Baghdad or Kabul I could understand. If you are in suburban Iowa I would say that its a bit of over kill. sac Not having been to Iowa, I'll take your word for it. :) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: sbrguy on October 28, 2010, 01:48:36 PM Retards? no. they are smart, they are calcuated. I like their attitudes towards the half-helmet, t-shirted rider. I like that they know when and where to do it with minimal danger to others Do I respect them? No. Do I respect their riding ability? Yes i would say they definitely know how to ride, and try to do it so that it minimizes effects on others by their gear and such and slowing down when appraoaching cars. heck double eagle rides just as fast on his routes in all likelihood and we accept him here. remember its all a matter of degree you have people here saying they want 150hp bikes bc they can have it and we have people here saying 90 mph on a highway i ok, but at the saem time you will have others say that is too fast or too much. in this case everyone here bc they dont' ride 180 all the time are saying this is too much in this article, its again a matter of degree, to their friends 180 sin't that much anymore. the main diff is they guys def have a thug attitude with the whole "i'll beat you up if you say you are faster" and such that is where the immatturity come out. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: SacDuc on October 28, 2010, 02:02:46 PM I like this metaphor. Sac, Who draws the line? What is enough, too much, too little. You can't answer this. With time comes progress. Better, more powerful bikes are inevitable. Just a few years ago there were no 100+ hp street bikes. Based on what you are saying no one should have upgraded because it is not necessary or appropriate for the street. Apply your thinking to anything and see what I mean. Why have nice homes, fast cars, big tv's? None of them are required or needed. We do because we can, and that's reason enough. Oh I'm not saying that very powerful 100+ hp bikes shouldn't be available. You want one? Have at it. Enjoy. But there is a line that is drawn. Its drawn by the laws of physics. My question is this, why own a bike you will never find the limits of? What's the point? Other than bench racing. And if you are going to find the limits of a 150hp ass rocket on the street aren't you just like the NY Fastest guys? That is all. sac Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: NorDog on October 28, 2010, 02:55:54 PM "My question is this, why own a bike you will never find the limits of? What's the point?"
Enjoyment. Are you saying that a rider has no point in owning a motorcycle if he doesn't possess this skills to use the motorcycle to the limits of it technical capacity? If so, you've just regulated me to the Buell Blast. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducatiz on October 28, 2010, 03:41:38 PM I'm good with that. Everyone should have a skills qualifying test for the class of vehicle they are permitted to drive.
For bikes those classes should be <25hp, <60hp, <100hp, >100hp, and trike. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Popeye the Sailor on October 28, 2010, 04:02:46 PM Meh, I've ridden all sorts of bikes, some with stupid power, which was....useless. It was just a crutch, really.
Having spent a lot of time on some less powerful bikes, I've gotten much smoother, carry corner speed better, and have acquired some moderate level of skill. I'm guessing Nate on a 250 with a leaky fork would be faster'n most of us. I understand buying the nicer bike because of the nicer suspension bits, but I think the power is overrated. I'd rather drop the coin on some formal training, which would make you faster on *any* bike, as opposed to the straights. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: NorDog on October 28, 2010, 04:23:18 PM I'm good with that. Everyone should have a skills qualifying test for the class of vehicle they are permitted to drive. For bikes those classes should be <25hp, <60hp, <100hp, >100hp, and trike. Yeah, but a passing qualifying test for a class of vehicle is not the same thing as possessing the skills to use a motorcycle of given class to the limits of its technical capacity. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: matt922 on October 28, 2010, 04:54:52 PM this is a very "american" point of view. everywhere else in the world, they're (primary) transportation. Primary when the weather is nice, sure, but its still a big boy toy/recreational/leisure item. If you ride a bike to "save money", i've got some land i want to sell you, especially if you use a tire that wears like a pilot power (pretty much negates any savings you will have) Which leads to why everyone else in the world owns a small displacement bike. Small engine = low power = small/cheap tires = 2x the savings over a ~45mpg bike. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Porsche Monkey on October 28, 2010, 04:58:41 PM Meh, I've ridden all sorts of bikes, some with stupid power, which was....useless. It was just a crutch, really. Having spent a lot of time on some less powerful bikes, I've gotten much smoother, carry corner speed better, and have acquired some moderate level of skill. I'm guessing Nate on a 250 with a leaky fork would be faster'n most of us. I understand buying the nicer bike because of the nicer suspension bits, but I think the power is overrated. I'd rather drop the coin on some formal training, which would make you faster on *any* bike, as opposed to the straights. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: LoneStar on October 28, 2010, 05:25:23 PM i have had many different bikes over the years and rode the hell out of them on the street.
i always got a bigger displacement on the next bike. but, honestly, they got less and less fun the more horsepower i got. i even reached the point where i bought a 2005 yamaha r1. while one of the most beautiful sportbikes produced by the japanese, i got utterly bored with it on the street and it sat for 2 and a half years. then i finally tracked it in 2009 and found it to be brilliant in it's element -- zipping lite speed between each corner to be carved with laser precision. amazing bike. my 2009 monster has hipped me to how much fun a low HP, high torque, super-light bike is on the street. i will never go back to a high-hp sportbike on the street. ever. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: fastwin on October 28, 2010, 05:43:51 PM OK, first off, you'd better live in Texas if your board name is LoneStar! [laugh]
And secondly, my 160hp+ Hayabusa is around to make up for all my manly shortcomings. ;D [thumbsup] [bacon] [moto] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Goat_Herder on October 28, 2010, 10:32:48 PM So I guess this whole "100+ HP on street" argument is just like having loud pipes - it's totally unnecessary but it sure is nice to have. Any more HP, the rider wouldn't be able to fit his head in a helmet. ;)
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducatiz on October 29, 2010, 03:22:59 AM Yeah, but a passing qualifying test for a class of vehicle is not the same thing as possessing the skills to use a motorcycle of given class to the limits of its technical capacity. You qualify for the Trike only. :P Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Statler on October 29, 2010, 06:31:53 AM For most people maybe over 100 RWHP is too much ( for them to beable to properly exploit the potential of that power ). For others 170+ RWHP might just make them pee their pants. ( so it's waaayyyyy ttttooooooooooooo much for them to even comprehend getting on one of the snarling beasts ). For those of us who aren't afraid of it and can handle it ( so far ) it's a f*cking blast ! :) Dolph In the Spring of '07 I also fell in love w/ a Ducati S4Rs , a bike the likes of I'd never ridden. I promply crashed it the second day I had it tryinfg to keep up w/ a group of 5 seasoned road racers. My next crash came on a day when I really just didn't feel like riding but went anyway. I was riding slower than usual, generally it's "balls to the wall ", and on an unfamiliar road just kinda taking in the sights and smells and a hairpin curve caught me off guard and I stopped right at the edge of a ditch bit I went over the bars into the ditch. Didn't get hurt and neither did the bike except for some scuffs on the barend . The worst crash most of you who have been on this Forum for awhile know about and that involved me playing road racer as usual on the back roads in the "Hills " where I love to go like the wind. This particular road I hadn't been on in the direction I was going since last Fall and it is nothing but blind up and down curves. I came out of a small valley and cracked the throttle , noticed two people and a bike off the side off the road as I crested the hill and there it was ,a sharp almost 90 degree lefthander going away from me. I was into the center of the curve at 50-70 mph and the next thing I remember I was in this little ditch filled w/ water and mud. The mud stopped the bike almost instantly and I went smashing into a hillside and ended up w/ 4 broken ribs, a punctured lung , a contusion to my right shoulder and alot of soft tissue damage( was fully geared up) . That happened in early April and I just rode for the 1st time 3 days ago. Did I think I was going to crash when I was riding at times well over 100 mph in the hills ? I rode last riding season with very little fear. I honed my Road Racing skills in the Hocking Hills and Wayne National Forest where the traffic is light and the Police are few and far between. Never have I ridden so hard or so fast . It felt great to be in control of the bike . I knew what to do in almost any situation I could think of except like a Deer walking right out in front of me or a vehicle pulling out of a hidden driveway and not looking before they did. But I was willing to take those chances . Nov.15, '09 changed all that. A " Hillbilly " tried to take me out with his pickup and almost killed me. I haven't recovered yet from the injuries of that day when he signaled a left turn , turned left 3/4s and then stopped for a reason he told the Trooper " I heard him coming and I just froze." He saw me coming because he pulled part way out in front of me coming and set there for a few seconds and then he decided to pull out and go up the road about 30 yards and signal a left hand turn. I had slowed down but as he turned down this road to the left I accelerated and then he stopped. My only choice at this time was to pass between his rear and some grass growing off a 3 foot slope along side the road. My S4Rs went air born , turned over on it's right side , and came down on top of me in the middle of the road where we slid about 300 feet. I was knocked out . My Shoei X-ll split 6 inches from behind my right ear at the base straight up. I don't remember a thing from the time I started to pass by the truck. until I came to starring at the sky with people looking down at me telling me not to move the EMS was on the way. I was transported to the nearest Hospital and from there to the Ohio State Trauma center because the X-rays ans CT-Scans looked like I had a broken back. I did break 7 Ribs on the right side, snapped Tendons in 2 Fingers of my left hand ( which are still not healed ) ,Tore ligaments and Tendons in my Right Ankle, , Dislocated my left Sternoclavicular joint, had severe Whip Lash, broke part of the T5 vertebrae, badly bruised left Knee, Hip, Crushed right Elbow, ,broken right big Toe, Road Rash on right Knee and Elbow. ,and left Shoulder that is messed up but doesn't show anything on MRI. Plus developed a staff infection of my right Calf that required Surgery and 5 days in the Hospital and months to clear up. how much more having fun and handling it can your body take, Dolph? Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: SacDuc on October 29, 2010, 07:23:41 AM I think you are coping out to a degree sac. Having a " bigger bike " doesn't short cut one's learning ability to carve twities . What it does is once you learn HOW to properly enter and exit a corner you can twist the trottle in the apex of the corner and feel the rush of the bike 's torque ( in this case let's use my 1098 R since it has 99 lb, ft, of torque. ). Instant wheelie or " explosion of power " depending on how hard I twist and what gear I'm in. TOO MUCH ....is better than ....not enough. Dolph :) You're probably right. And certainly, to a degree, having 150hp under me scares me. I guess its possible that my riding will improve to the point where I'm getting everything I can out of a little monster and decide to up grade. Or maybe I'll go the other direction and see if I can make an even slower bike, perhaps a 250, get around those corners fast enough to make me happy. But I think having 150hp is a cop out for a lot of people as well. Perhaps not you, but people who are under skilled for the bike. We've all been behind guys that walk liter bikes through the corners, blow past you on the straights and then talk about how fast they are at the next stop. Each to there own. Some of us like brunettes, some like blonds. I think a more constructive debate could be formed around the question, "Should riding a 125cc scooter around a DMV parking lot license you to ride a 150hp SBK?" I vote in favor of the tiered system so many other countries have. I don't think it will happen though. sac Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zooom on October 29, 2010, 07:29:33 AM how much more having fun and handling it can your body take, Dolph? [clap] I believe in tennis terms...that would be what you'de call....an ACE! [popcorn] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: swampduc on October 29, 2010, 08:38:07 AM I know full well that I don't use all 160+ hp that my 1098 makes. I barely use the 120+ hp that the 996 makes. However, I DO use the torque, and with both bikes, I much prefer the suspension quality and ergonomics vs, say, a Monster. The longer wheelbase and stiffer frame vs a Monster also make a sbk feel much more stable, and the increased confidence that gives me allows me to ride harder and faster than I otherwise would.
It's no different than upgrading the suspension from Showa to Ohlins. Do any of us here actually max out the capabilities of the Showa suspension on, say, the 1098? Probably not, so I don't need a suspension upgrade. But since I went to R/T forks and TTX shock, I ride with improved confidence, and therefore, I ride better and faster. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: MadDuck on October 29, 2010, 08:51:44 AM I know full well that I don't use all 160+ hp that my 1098 makes. I barely use the 120+ hp that the 996 makes. However, I DO use the torque, and with both bikes, I much prefer the suspension quality and ergonomics vs, say, a Monster. The longer wheelbase and stiffer frame vs a Monster also make a sbk feel much more stable, and the increased confidence that gives me allows me to ride harder and faster than I otherwise would. It's no different than upgrading the suspension from Showa to Ohlins. Do any of us here actually max out the capabilities of the Showa suspension on, say, the 1098? Probably not, so I don't need a suspension upgrade. But since I went to R/T forks and TTX shock, I ride with improved confidence, and therefore, I ride better and faster. And there you have it..... My old 999 was a bear to ride but still fun. My current 848 is down a bit on power yet I get to use more of the power & torque and with the all the Ohlins upgrades it has transformed my riding. I have way more fun on the 848 because I'm not fighting it as much as the 999. But I still miss the seemingly effortless power characteristics of the 999. Just recently I've had the chance to take a Streetfighter out for a couple of spins. Yahoo! I don't have to use all the available power to have fun but it sure was fun anyway. All of this is actually pretty funny because I can remember when the first Honda CB750s came out and we were in awe of the power difference between that and a Bonnie 650. [laugh] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: NorDog on October 29, 2010, 10:06:08 AM You qualify for the Trike only. :P (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4OYGjUrdllo/SUJvZNFrrAI/AAAAAAAANZQ/RhFDGZcy7Qc/s400/Big+Wheel+Races+%C2%BB+The+UberReview_1229090601769.png) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Autohag on October 29, 2010, 10:22:31 AM I vote in favor of the tiered system so many other countries have. I don't think it will happen though. We shouldn't mess with natural selection by implementing a tiered system. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: He Man on October 29, 2010, 11:40:18 AM my friend took his 1098 out today for some commuting. He said he nearly shit his pants. its too much power to be riding on normal streets, said he doenst even know about how it would work when u get to twistys and the track... [laugh]
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: arai_speed on October 29, 2010, 11:54:56 AM Don't most 600cc sport bikes make over 100HP now a days?
Personally I like the torque that comes along w/a bigger bike - the feeling of acceleration coming out of turn is just amazing! Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Triple J on October 29, 2010, 12:37:24 PM my friend took his 1098 out today for some commuting. He said he nearly shit his pants. its too much power to be riding on normal streets, said he doenst even know about how it would work when u get to twistys and the track... [laugh] Tell him your S2R is much more suited to those tasks...and you'll trade him! Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Popeye the Sailor on October 29, 2010, 01:37:55 PM how much more having fun and handling it can your body take, Dolph? Bully. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: He Man on October 29, 2010, 05:27:17 PM Tell him your S2R is much more suited to those tasks...and you'll trade him! ahaha. I like that idea!!!! though i already shat cookies after riding that bike and mixing up shift patterns. (mines GP) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Preisker on October 29, 2010, 05:30:24 PM Here's the thing about that . . . I actually like shifting. I think it is a part of the motorcycle riding experience. I ride a 620 and when doing the 30-80mph twisties that are in abundance around here I'm using my clutch friggin' constantly. Much more than even with my 750. I think I would miss that challenge of setting my gear/speed/revs correctly before entering a corner. Its difficult on a 620 to come into a corner with enough speed and still have power left to pull out of it. Its fun to laugh at my self when I go screaming through a tight corner and then get on the throttle and have nothing there. If I want to go faster I'll just have to use better judgment next time. I'm damned and determined to max out my 620 on the road before I get a bigger bike. Some basic mods will help me go faster, but really, the only way I'm going to keep up with bigger bikes in the corners is to become a better rider. I feel like having unlimited power is taking a short cut. As the saying goes, "I would rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow." sac Well Sac, you've got yourself convinced. Myself, this Duc, the S4, is the 37th out of 39 bikes that I've actually owned. It's not over 100 hp, true dyno numbers, is 95hp, and 67 lb ft of torque, or as Jeremy on Top Gear would say, "67 Torques". As long as the road doesn't open up too much, it runs with most anything. If there is much of a straight coming up, I'll get motored on. I know a couple of SV650s that just flat out get it on, and they are faster than your 620, which is more or less considered a starter bike. They will keep up with the big bores, until the road speeds get up there. Over 100 or so. The S4 keeps up until 120, more or less, then I'm beating on it pretty hard. It will still turn under a lot of people when things tighten up, except for those damn Supermotos. But hey, have fun. That's what it's all about. I know some big bore riders that will kill a rear tire in one afternoon of hooning. My bike gets a little more mileage out of the rears than the big power bikes, but it still eats them. Little bikes are pretty good on tires actually. When I had an SV, it got great tire mileage. I wish I still had it, real fun bike to ride. I wish I had one of everything. Right now, I'm working a trade for a ZX-10, for my YZ450F and some cash. That's what I really NEED, a 190mph bike. Yeah, that's the ticket. Or, if I can sell it, I've got another line on a 10,000 mile ZX-12 that went an honest 198 at Bonneville, he rode it out and back after that run, from Ca, and it's less than $4000. I just might consign my YZ if I can't come to an agreement for the ZX-10, which only has 5100 miles on it. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: LoneStar on October 29, 2010, 08:13:57 PM I'm sure if you were to look at the data from Casey Stoners' GP bike that he hardly uses 100 of his 200+ horsepower in the corners. All those horses are used compressing time on the straights between each corner.
I assure those of you who are riding too high and too fast on confidence on the street will be in for a shock when the moment occurs that something goes wrong. People say that things slow down all of a sudden. I think that's true for the split second when you realize your fate and, if youre lucky enough to remember all the oh-shit thoughts you have at that moment. But, I can assure you from experience that you are desensitized to the speed while you're flowing through the corners. It's only when you run off the street/track or need to stop quickly when you realize how blazingly fast you are actually going. It's only after you hit the pavement and roll and roll and roll.... And roll and roll and roll seeing sky .. Pavement .. Sky ... Pavement repeatedly that you finally know how fast you were going. That has happened to me on the track. No guardrails or squared off curbs to hit. I swear I never want to be in this situation on the street. 50HP can easily put you in that situation. Using all of 100+ horsepower on the street is ludacrist. I hope to see you at the track. A place where you really get to toe the line, challenge yourself to learn the character of your bike and build a relationship of trust and respect for it. Sounds strange but there is a reason why Rossi kneels next to his bike and holds it's footpeg. If you don't respect it, it will surely ask you to leave ... (Keith Code) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: He Man on October 29, 2010, 08:40:05 PM If you ride a bike to "save money", i've got some land i want to sell you, Million of people do it everyday brother. <- me included. Ive got 12,000 miles on my rear Pilot Road 2ct tire. 3 trackdays. It avgs 35mpg in shitty NYC traffic. and saves me a lot of time and misery of waiting on the train... Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Popeye the Sailor on October 29, 2010, 08:41:58 PM After all that has transpired over the past couple of years , I'd say I doin' pretty good to be able to go out and ride like hell for 5 hours ( w, 5 minute breaks evry 30-40- miles ) riding hard. At age 61 I doubt my body can take too many more crashes like I've endured before I won't be riding. I feel like I don't have that many years of fast riding left so I'm going to try and get as much out of it while I still can. Riding fast has taught me a lot about HOW TO ride FAST. Judging how fast I can enter a corner , how much lean my tires will go and still have good traction in a corner, knowing braking distances for setting up corners, knowing that I can't let my focus leave the road in front of me for even a second, being aware of everything in my panorama of vision, Deer, falling trees, vehicles pulling out of hidden lanes or driveways, on coming traffic from as far away as possible, a quick glance in my rearview mirrors every so often, and body postion. If you went to the track 3 times a week for 5 hours at a time , I think you would improve your riding skills markedly. In the past 2 months of cooler weather I have been able to ride 3 times a week and my " track " is a 160 mile loop of familar roads ridden in different stretches but all familar and all ridden " hard. " I think by riding these same roads so many times at speed I know the corners ...but make no mistake....there is plenty of danger at high speed. Gravel, Deer, traffic, a blowout, [leo], a mechanical malfunction, a mental error, .....but a lot of that can be thought of as FEAR and if you are afraid....you have no business getting on a bike. Confidence and putting my faith in the Lord to bring me and my bike home safely allows me to go ride hard. Dolph (http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn198/DoubleEagle_photo/ride.gif) I hope you don't hurt any one else next time you crash. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducatiz on October 30, 2010, 02:23:16 AM (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4OYGjUrdllo/SUJvZNFrrAI/AAAAAAAANZQ/RhFDGZcy7Qc/s400/Big+Wheel+Races+%C2%BB+The+UberReview_1229090601769.png) >:( (http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/Custom/honda_goldwing_trike.jpg) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Preisker on October 30, 2010, 09:27:11 AM ??? Insurance is cheaper. Registration is cheaper. Trips to the gas station are way cheaper. The cost of tires negates all of this??? A lot of that depends on how old you are, how many tickets you've got, and how you ride. I get 3000 miles out of a rear tire, it really doesn't matter which one, pretty much 3000 miles out of anything. Right now, there is a Pirelli Diablo Superbike slick on there that someone gave me, that has about 1500 miles on it and is about toast. But the stick is unbelievable coming out of corners, it was fun while it lasted. I'm 48, going on 49, and still act like I'm 18. My insurance for the Duc and the KZ1000 is about $400/year. That is having been licensed since I was 16 to ride a motorcycle. I can't imagine what a 20 year old with a 2 year license would pay for something bigger than a Ninja 250. As far as riding to save money, gas mileage is so-so, about 30ish. My 900RR got real close to 50. Tires are about $150 to $200, I tend to buy what is on sale. The insurance thing. Ducati parts are outrageous, but I really haven't had to buy much, other than filters and oil, and tires. Belts coming soon, and whatever the valve adjust is going to need, gaskets, shims, whatever. I'm sure a Ninja 250 is pretty cheap to run, probably 65 mpg. No tires, no chains, low insurance costs. But most hotrod bikes aren't cheap to keep. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 30, 2010, 09:34:57 AM Preisker:
a 22 year old on a 696 pays ~$500/yr for a 696 full coverage (lean on bike, full coverage is required) not too bad... cheaper than my car which is about ~$1,000 /yr If I go up to an m1100 or 848 price more than doubles, more-so for the 848 Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: El Matador on October 30, 2010, 09:37:54 AM I'm 48, going on 49, and still act like I'm 18. My insurance for the Duc and the KZ1000 is about $400/year. That is having been licensed since I was 16 to ride a motorcycle. I can't imagine what a 20 year old with a 2 year license would pay for something bigger than a Ninja 250. 3k for a 695 9k (!) for a 996 :) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: derby on October 30, 2010, 09:43:31 AM 3k for a 695 9k (!) for a 996 :) Hehehe... Back in the late-90s, progressive wanted $7k/yr to insure my gsx-r750... That's basically what I paid for the bike. I took that as their polite way of saying they didn't want to insure me and promptly went elewhere for full coverage in the $1200 range. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Betty on October 30, 2010, 10:34:20 AM Gravel, Deer, traffic, a blowout, [leo], a mechanical malfunction, a mental error, .....but a lot of that can be thought of as FEAR and if you are afraid....you have no business getting on a bike. I call bullshit! FEAR is the only thing that allows me to get on a bike. I would dearly love to dissect some of your posts piece by piece to explain my views but I 'fear' it may become too personal. Everytime I get on my bike I am fearful that I may be taken out by traffic, wildlife or anything unforeseen ... but it is this fear that I think gives me a chance. I live 'a little out of town' and avoid traffic as much as possible but where I choose to ride is where bikers prefer to ride ... honestly, my biggest fear is being taken out by a fellow motorcyclist, travelling in the opposite direction who has ridden beyond the limits. Some of these posts have reinforced what I am up against. Riders with an apparent death wish, constantly pushing boundaries who feel they are running out of time and placing their safety in the hands of the Gods ... your God may be looking after you one day that they are not really concerned about me. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Betty on October 30, 2010, 10:52:18 AM But now in answer to the thread's question ... no I don't think 100+HP is needed on the street but that doesn't mean it is not welcome on occasion.
I am man enough to admit that I ride a 'girls' bike ... but honestly she is all that I 'need' for the street. I have never had an interest in going fast in a straight line and my riding has developed to a point that I don't have the desire to ride corners faster than I do ... in fact I don't corner any faster on the 999 than I do on the Monster. So although the greater power pulls you out of the corner faster it is really only helpful for those effortless, multi-vehicle overtaking moves that don't even require a gear change ... but I can understanding the attraction of the intoxicating feeling. In the end none of this really matters because the Boss is still faster on her 620 (and no its not a Capirex) ... and I love that. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Speeddog on October 30, 2010, 12:08:41 PM ~~~SNIP~~~ Tires? Well let's just say the ones on the truck didn't last forever either. ~~~SNIP~~~ I put a set of Michelins on my Dakota for $580, nearly 3 years and more than 80k miles ago. And they're not finished. 0.007 $/mile and falling.... My bike is very close to 10x that, 0.07 $/mile. At 45 mpg, the fuel cost is about 0.07 $/mile. So my 45mpg S4 is about the same expense to ride as my 20mpg Dakota. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Preisker on October 30, 2010, 12:24:09 PM "So although the greater power pulls you out of the corner faster it is really only helpful for those effortless, multi-vehicle overtaking moves that don't even require a gear change .."
You forgot to mention the wheelies coming out of corners, taking off from stop signs, or pulling past traffic. Or when Barney Bad A$$ on his $30,000, 110 cubic inch, 75 hp big twin, tries to play games with you. Can you say 100 mph wheelie? Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducatiz on October 30, 2010, 12:29:54 PM Sure. And I can say dumbass road pizza too!
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Betty on October 30, 2010, 12:43:40 PM You forgot to mention the wheelies coming out of corners, taking off from stop signs, or pulling past traffic. Nope didn't forget to mention it at all ... I prefer to try and keep my bike stable ... it corners better that way. Or when Barney Bad A$$ on his $30,000, 110 cubic inch, 75 hp big twin, tries to play games with you. Rarely something you need 100+HP for. Can you say 100 mph wheelie? Say: yes. Do: no. Sorry, no real interest in wheelies regardless of the circumstances :) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: kopfjäger on October 30, 2010, 08:13:54 PM I may kill a Deer ! Haven't seen a Pedestrian yet on any of my rides. Dolph I'm sure that's not what he meant. ;) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Raux on October 31, 2010, 12:50:32 AM well i gotta say this thread has really turned to shit.
i think the idea of 100hp on the street is about choice. period. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Preisker on October 31, 2010, 07:56:09 AM Preisker: a 22 year old on a 696 pays ~$500/yr for a 696 full coverage (lean on bike, full coverage is required) not too bad... cheaper than my car which is about ~$1,000 /yr If I go up to an m1100 or 848 price more than doubles, more-so for the 848 A lot of that depends on where you are. I live in Central CA on the coast, and I'm pretty sure those rates don't apply here, anyway. But it seems to benefit you, so that's working out. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Veloce-Fino on October 31, 2010, 11:23:24 AM A lot of that depends on where you are. I live in Central CA on the coast, and I'm pretty sure those rates don't apply here, anyway. But it seems to benefit you, so that's working out. Ahh true. My market is more pricey than the southern states and less expensive than the west coast (cali) Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: LoneStar on November 01, 2010, 04:15:48 PM And hey, nobody asks me to help move their sh*t every month. 8) smart brother! Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: Cloner on November 03, 2010, 01:21:36 PM Wow! What an interesting thread. I actually took time to read the whole frikkin' thing before I constructed this answer, so thanks, guys and gals, for a most interesting waste of time! [thumbsup]
Now, as to the answer to the question initially posed, "100 hp on the street....why?", the initial answers of "because it's there" are the most legitimate ones there are, I think. I've ridden bikes of nearly every displacement for most of 35 years and during that time I've run the gamut from 70cc to 1200cc, from trail bike to V-Max, from vintage goodness to liter race replica, and whatever I've ridden has been the bike to suit me at that time. Now that I'm a bit more seasoned, I thoroughly enjoy bikes in the 80hp range, as they're fast enough to do what I want to do (I have no trouble keeping up with my counterparts on 1098/1198 bikes at a pace on the street or on a tight track) and are manageable enough to keep me out of gravitational trouble (when gravity pulls us to Earth....that sucks). Modern literbikes take amazing concentration to ride fast where 80 horses are a bit more forgiving. If you want to see my normal street pace on an 80 horsepower MH900e, you can go to MHe Crest Up Solo.MP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oobsAW-TMg#normal) and see whether or not it'd suit you. You'll notice the deer about half way through...plenty of time to slow for her and still enjoy the ride. (Sorry for the four lane part at the beginning.....the road gets curvy soon...I promise.) Wheelstands...been there...done that. 100 mph wheelstands....been there...done that, too. I think I'm more comfortable with "slower" bikes nowadays, though. 80 horses are all you'll ever need. Heck....my lap times at Sandia are approximately 5 seconds slower per lap than my friend on his 1098........when I'm riding my 21 horsepower HD/Aermacchi racer. [evil] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: He Man on November 03, 2010, 02:07:37 PM Be quiet.. u make too much sense. ;D
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: sbrguy on November 03, 2010, 02:38:19 PM been giving this some thought here is the real reason for a 100hp street bike.
progress. simple as that. the main thing is if you simply asked someone what they wanted you would probably get only incremental changes. what you really have is sometimes people have made advancements only because they think bigger of what is impossible and end up with instead something great. same with motorcycles. first you rpobaly had someonne say if i only had 10 more hp for this 30hp bike that would be great, so someone tried for 30hp xtra and got 10-20 afterwards. progress. same here, years ago people were saying if you can get 170hp out of a street bike that would be insane. so they tried for more and now you have 196hp bikes and such now. that is why you have 100hp on the street, its not about want or need at all, its about progress. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: poseur on November 04, 2010, 07:22:49 AM (http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2010-11/57317569.jpg)
KTM's first street-legal 125 uses a liquid-cooled, four-valve single cylinder and can't really boast with a horsepower rating of 15 and 8.8 pound-feet of torque, but it's a welcome addition to the meager beginner bike category, one that will offer manageable performance and a major dose of cool. Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: zooom on November 04, 2010, 07:25:08 AM I'd rock that in commuter mode...
Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: SacDuc on November 04, 2010, 07:34:56 AM been giving this some thought here is the real reason for a 100hp street bike. progress. simple as that. the main thing is if you simply asked someone what they wanted you would probably get only incremental changes. what you really have is sometimes people have made advancements only because they think bigger of what is impossible and end up with instead something great. same with motorcycles. first you rpobaly had someonne say if i only had 10 more hp for this 30hp bike that would be great, so someone tried for 30hp xtra and got 10-20 afterwards. progress. same here, years ago people were saying if you can get 170hp out of a street bike that would be insane. so they tried for more and now you have 196hp bikes and such now. that is why you have 100hp on the street, its not about want or need at all, its about progress. You have confused progress with one-ups-manship. sac Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: DRKWNG on November 05, 2010, 04:34:45 PM Because 130 to 150 hp will move me around better than 80 will. Bigger bikes usually come with better suspension and brakes . There may be a Superduke behind you. [laugh] [laugh] [evil] [laugh] [laugh] No. Its like saying that you shouldn't sleep in tank for personal protection when a couple of dogs and a .45 will do the trick. If you are sleeping in a tank for personal protection and you're in Baghdad or Kabul I could understand. If you are in suburban Iowa I would say that its a bit of over kill. sac Doood, JuddDDddDddd's gone, no reason to keep talking shit about the guy... ;D Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: ducpainter on November 05, 2010, 04:37:39 PM Doood, JuddDDddDddd's gone, no reason to keep talking shit about the guy... ;D You girlfriend is in Ohio. :-* Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: DRKWNG on November 05, 2010, 04:39:14 PM Try to keep up. You girlfriend is in Ohio. :-* [laugh] [laugh] Title: Re: 100 HP on the street...why? Post by: DoubleEagle on November 05, 2010, 05:30:57 PM Wow! What an interesting thread. I actually took time to read the whole frikkin' thing before I constructed this answer, so thanks, guys and gals, for a most interesting waste of time! [thumbsup] Great road ! Nice video [thumbsup]Now, as to the answer to the question initially posed, "100 hp on the street....why?", the initial answers of "because it's there" are the most legitimate ones there are, I think. I've ridden bikes of nearly every displacement for most of 35 years and during that time I've run the gamut from 70cc to 1200cc, from trail bike to V-Max, from vintage goodness to liter race replica, and whatever I've ridden has been the bike to suit me at that time. Now that I'm a bit more seasoned, I thoroughly enjoy bikes in the 80hp range, as they're fast enough to do what I want to do (I have no trouble keeping up with my counterparts on 1098/1198 bikes at a pace on the street or on a tight track) and are manageable enough to keep me out of gravitational trouble (when gravity pulls us to Earth....that sucks). Modern literbikes take amazing concentration to ride fast where 80 horses are a bit more forgiving. If you want to see my normal street pace on an 80 horsepower MH900e, you can go to MHe Crest Up Solo.MP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oobsAW-TMg#normal) and see whether or not it'd suit you. You'll notice the deer about half way through...plenty of time to slow for her and still enjoy the ride. (Sorry for the four lane part at the beginning.....the road gets curvy soon...I promise.) Wheelstands...been there...done that. 100 mph wheelstands....been there...done that, too. I think I'm more comfortable with "slower" bikes nowadays, though. 80 horses are all you'll ever need. Heck....my lap times at Sandia are approximately 5 seconds slower per lap than my friend on his 1098........when I'm riding my 21 horsepower HD/Aermacchi racer. [evil] Pace was pretty slow for my liking......I might fall asleep . Dolph |