100 HP on the street...why?

[SacDuc]

Just so I have this straight let me recap:

Having 11ty billion horse power is awesome! *Reads about NY's Fastest* But if you actually use it you are a total retard!




sac

[Veloce-Fino]

Just so I have this straight let me recap:

Having 11ty billion horse power is awesome! *Reads about NY's Fastest* But if you actually use it you are a total retard!




sac

Doing what these folks do IS STUPID. Racing 180mph on public streets every damn night of the week is not an intelligent thing. Is anyone on here condoning organized competitive street racing in an urban area? I don't think so... It's putting many people at risk. Going WOT on your bike on the open road or tearing up some twisties is a LOT different than what these NY riders are doing.

I dont think Dolph goes out every damn day and races TOP SPEED for miles (actually he probably does) but not through a metropolitan area at 140+ mph, and probably not while racing other riders to make sure "he's the fastest."
(dolph might be a bad example for this)  

Am I making sense now?
Hell, the article even talks about riders dying while racing at night balls out.

[NorDog]

180 mph on public roads is really stupid.  Trust me.  I speak from first hand experience, and was fortunate to live to tell about it.  Unfortunately, my beloved Monster 620 Capirex is still impounded.

[derby]

180 mph on public roads is really stupid.  Trust me.  I speak from first hand experience, and was fortunate to live to tell about it.  Unfortunately, my beloved Monster 620 Capirex is still impounded.

i see what you did there. 

[SacDuc]

Veloce-Fino, unless I'm misunderstanding, you just illustrated my point: it is really cool to have the power so long as you don't use it. So why not own a different bike with less hp?

sac

[NorDog]

Veloce-Fino, unless I'm misunderstanding, you just illustrated my point: it is really cool to have the power so long as you don't use it. So why not own a different bike with less hp?

sac

Isn't that like saying I shouldn't own a gun if I don't want to walk down the street shooting OVER the heads of pedestrians?

[SacDuc]

Isn't that like saying I shouldn't own a gun if I don't want to walk down the street shooting OVER the heads of pedestrians?

No. Its like saying that you shouldn't sleep in tank for personal protection when a couple of dogs and a .45 will do the trick. If you are sleeping in a tank for personal protection and you're in Baghdad or Kabul I could understand. If you are in suburban Iowa I would say that its a bit of over kill.

sac

[Veloce-Fino]

Isn't that like saying I shouldn't own a gun if I don't want to walk down the street shooting OVER the heads of pedestrians?

I like this metaphor.

Sac,

Who draws the line? What is enough, too much, too little. You can't answer this. With time comes progress. Better, more powerful bikes are inevitable. Just a few years ago there were no 100+ hp street bikes. Based on what you are saying no one should have upgraded because it is not necessary or appropriate for the street.
Apply your thinking to anything and see what I mean. Why have nice homes, fast cars, big tv's? None of them are required or needed.

We do because we can, and that's reason enough.

[NorDog]

No. Its like saying that you shouldn't sleep in tank for personal protection when a couple of dogs and a .45 will do the trick. If you are sleeping in a tank for personal protection and you're in Baghdad or Kabul I could understand. If you are in suburban Iowa I would say that its a bit of over kill.

sac

Not having been to Iowa, I'll take your word for it.   

[sbrguy]

Retards? no. they are smart, they are calcuated.
I like their attitudes towards the half-helmet, t-shirted rider.
I like that they know when and where to do it with minimal danger to others
Do I respect them? No.
Do I respect their riding ability? Yes

i would say they definitely know how to ride, and try to do it so that it minimizes effects on others by their gear and such and slowing down when appraoaching cars.

heck double eagle rides just as fast on his routes in all likelihood and we accept him here.

remember its all a matter of degree you have people here saying they want 150hp bikes bc they can have it and we have people here saying 90 mph on a highway i ok, but at the saem time you will have others say that is too fast or too much.

in this case everyone here bc they dont' ride 180 all the time are saying this is too much in this article, its again a matter of degree, to their friends 180 sin't that much anymore.

the main diff is they guys def have a thug attitude with the whole "i'll beat you up if you say you are faster" and such that is where the immatturity come out.

[SacDuc]

I like this metaphor.

Sac,

Who draws the line? What is enough, too much, too little. You can't answer this. With time comes progress. Better, more powerful bikes are inevitable. Just a few years ago there were no 100+ hp street bikes. Based on what you are saying no one should have upgraded because it is not necessary or appropriate for the street.
Apply your thinking to anything and see what I mean. Why have nice homes, fast cars, big tv's? None of them are required or needed.

We do because we can, and that's reason enough.

Oh I'm not saying that very powerful 100+ hp bikes shouldn't be available. You want one? Have at it. Enjoy. But there is a line that is drawn. Its drawn by the laws of physics.

My question is this, why own a bike you will never find the limits of? What's the point? Other than bench racing. And if you are going to find the limits of a 150hp ass rocket on the street aren't you just like the NY Fastest guys?

That is all.

sac

[NorDog]

"My question is this, why own a bike you will never find the limits of? What's the point?"

Enjoyment.

Are you saying that a rider has no point in owning a motorcycle if he doesn't possess this skills to use the motorcycle to the limits of it technical capacity?

If so, you've just regulated me to the Buell Blast.

[ducatiz]

I'm good with that.  Everyone should have a skills qualifying test for the class of vehicle they are permitted to drive.

For bikes those classes should be <25hp, <60hp, <100hp, >100hp, and trike.

[Popeye the Sailor]

Meh, I've ridden all sorts of bikes, some with stupid power, which was....useless. It was just a crutch, really.

Having spent a lot of time on some less powerful bikes, I've gotten much smoother, carry corner speed better, and have acquired some moderate level of skill.


I'm guessing Nate on a 250 with a leaky fork would be faster'n most of us.

I understand buying the nicer bike because of the nicer suspension bits, but I think the power is overrated. I'd rather drop the coin on some formal training, which would make you faster on *any* bike, as opposed to the straights.

[NorDog]

I'm good with that.  Everyone should have a skills qualifying test for the class of vehicle they are permitted to drive.

For bikes those classes should be <25hp, <60hp, <100hp, >100hp, and trike.

Yeah, but a passing qualifying test for a class of vehicle is not the same thing as possessing the skills to use a motorcycle of given class to the limits of its technical capacity.