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http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/rossi+could+test+with+ducati+at+valencia (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/rossi+could+test+with+ducati+at+valencia)

The rider stated in an interview that Yamaha’s Masao Furusawa has given him the all clear to ride for his 2011 team at the post-season Test in November. Ducati’s Alessandro Cicognani also discussed the details of the Test with motogp.com.

(http://resources.motogp.com//files/images/xy/2010/MotoGP/n507429_rossi_27.preview.jpg)

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 [moto] ;D [evil] [clap]

 [popcorn]

Keep in mind we ask in the guidelines that a link and a short blurb are all that's posted.

There are copyright issues to be considered. Could you edit your post a little please?

like!

and to edit out the spoiler material of the race that I have now read despite having not seen the race yet...

I missed that part... :-\

Question is, will Jerry and crew make the trip down pit lane with him for the test, or will they not join up until 2011.

well yamaha certainly isn't going to have them testing the 2011 m1...

One of the bikes in the race won.

It had two wheels and slick tires.

no wayyyy

It could have rained!  Quit spoiling the race weather.   ;D

They used gasoline too  ;D

did them thar tars have some funny gas in em or some kinda regulah kinda air?

nitrogen, actually.

and lots of magic blue smoke in engine area so they can go fast and stuff

Funny...they put that in some of the valve springs too.

Thanks to the admin that edited my post.

I meant to just post a copy of the article to save you from having to click on the link. That's why I added the link at the top for reference.

I also didn't catch any race spoilers when I read it. Maybe I was too excited at the news.

Sorry about that.  [thumbsup]

hey...and in the race...there was also a duck spectating on the outside of one of the turns in the crash zone....

At least he didn't fly across the track and get blitzed.

so apparently i was wrong about this one..    :P   

cool!   [thumbsup]

Thought it was a goose. 

Or maybe it was an eagle...

looked like some kind of bird to me

it wasn't a seagull....this time

Do we need an ornithologist to identify birds for us? 

...or maybe a historian.

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41140.msg751045#msg751045 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41140.msg751045#msg751045)

[laugh] [laugh]
That's a funny thread
Seems we do need an ornithologist.  Well, that's my trade and I'll do it for free.  The forum only needs to
cover my expenses to all the motogp events. 

http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_1010_jeremy_burgess_talks_about_his_move_to_ducati_motogp_with_rossi/index.html (http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_1010_jeremy_burgess_talks_about_his_move_to_ducati_motogp_with_rossi/index.html)

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg784016#msg784016 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg784016#msg784016)

 :-\

If Rossi likes the screamer, are they gonna run one engine for him and another for everyone else?  Or are they gonna just throw the other riders to the wolves and go back to having results similar to '08-'09?

i bet they would run a different engine for him if so desired.. but i also bet that 2 years more development might = a more rideable screamer.  

i thought Preziosi's comments a while back re why he couldn't understand why the screamer was much different, if at all, to the riders was really interesting.

And how do you think the displacement change plays into that? IIRC, most of the 990s used long bang (or in Ducati's case Twin Pulse) because of the rideability factor. The power loss from that configuration seems to be mitigated by the extra displacement, no?

they only briefly used twin pulse iirc.

i'm really more interested to see what they come out with in 2012.

IMO the '11 bikes will be orphans.

IIRC, only the satellite teams were allowed to move back to the bigger bikes for 2012.  Was that correct, or did I slip off into the twilight zone somewhere?

I think there are two factors here:
1) Claiming Rule Teams, based on 1000cc street motors.
2) A return to 1000cc for prototypes, with a stroke restriction.

I don't recall exactly how those played out in Dorna's final rulebook.

they can all use 1000s; there are injector or some other restrictions for the factory bikes that i'm too lazy to look up.  OR they can run the 800s as is/as will be in 2012.  but *all the factories are busy building brand new 1000s.  i don't think there will be any 800s on the grid in 2012, unless maybe some latvian team hires gary mccoy, etc.


*all as in yamaha and ducati.  i haven't heard anything about honda, but you know they have to be doing the same.  suzi no county.

http://motomatters.com/interview/2010/10/29/carmelo_ezpeleta_interview_manufacturer_.html (http://motomatters.com/interview/2010/10/29/carmelo_ezpeleta_interview_manufacturer_.html)

no mention of the 'or 800s'.. maybe that part of the proposal got abandoned.  and it's an 81 mm bore limit.

Perhaps a derby....

plucked from another place "....Ducati have prepped three bikes for Rossi tomorrow. One Big Bang GP10, one
Screamer GP11 and one Big Bang GP11..."

and so it begins......

(http://resources.motogp.com/files/images/xy/2010/MotoGP/n517303_Rossi.Action01.slideshow.jpg)

REALLY? Spoilers on the side fairing?

Valentino Rossi makes his first outing with Ducati (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U6ysA4zVZA&feature=share#normal)

 [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

 [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]

 [bow_down] [bow_down]

Not the first time that has been tried if my memory serves.  I think Hayden tried them, but then dropped them.


mitt

okay...here's what I found interesting...

Po. Name TeamGap First
1Lorenzo J. Yamaha Factory Racing 1:32.012
2Spies B.Yamaha Factory Racing +0.866
3Dovizioso A.Repsol Honda Team+1.178
4Stoner C.HRC+1.249
5Simoncelli M.San Carlo Honda Gresini+1.280
6Pedrosa D.Repsol Honda Team+1.324
7Edwards C.Monster Yamaha Tech 3+1.501
8Rossi V.Ducati Team+1.870

Pedrosa and Dovi are Repsol Honda and Casey is "HRC"

they were run/tested by stoner and hayden earlier in the season.

i'm kinda surprised that they're giving them another run with rossi, though.

derby   ;D
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43520.msg795133#msg795133 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43520.msg795133#msg795133)

More pics:

http://www.repubblica.it/sport/moto-gp/2010/11/09/foto/valentino_e_la_ducati-8918303/1/?ref=HRERO-1 (http://www.repubblica.it/sport/moto-gp/2010/11/09/foto/valentino_e_la_ducati-8918303/1/?ref=HRERO-1)

Press 'successivo' to scroll through.

Fairing is different for sure, 'gills' on radiator air exit, pretty sure the swoop in the bottom of the fairing is new.

Any hard info or WAG based on the exhaust note in the video on which one he picked?

Valencia MotoGP test times - Tuesday 5pm

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164920/1/valencia_motogp_test_times_-_tuesday_5pm.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164920/1/valencia_motogp_test_times_-_tuesday_5pm.html)

pics: http://motomatters.com/news/2010/11/09/motogp_valencia_test_images_day_1.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/11/09/motogp_valencia_test_images_day_1.html)

Fack...Casey's already fast on that Honda...

i think that was about the safest bet you coulda made.  he's gonna be very dangerous.

Exactly. And no wonder they listed him as an HRC rider and not Repsol...considering the livery.

The wings on Rossi's bike are interesting...like Stoner used this season, but they also have downward pointing winglets...weird.

I've got to think those will go away when JB and Rossi start developing the bike and get the traction improved. Wings on a moto seem odd.

Asked and answered: Big Bang (mostly)

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/preziosi+reviews+rossi+first+day+at+valencia (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/preziosi+reviews+rossi+first+day+at+valencia)

I merged the 2nd thread into the original - the original had already started discussing results...

mitt

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Nov/101109d.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Nov/101109d.htm)

Stoner must be gagged from talking like Rossi is....either that or he just expertly dodged the media...

He's talking:
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Stoner+reviews+day+one+at+Valencia+test (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Stoner+reviews+day+one+at+Valencia+test)

All of the pics of the '10 wings, that I can recall, have the winglets.
Winglets might be a hair bigger.

Speculation was that the wings improved the outflow of air from the radiator.

Hmm...I never noticed the winglets before (I did notice the wings though).

Looking at their curved shape it looks as if the'yre just an upside down wing...so providing downforce...although probably not a lot at that size. They were also added after Stoner was having front end grip problems early in the season. I thought they fixed the front grip problems a few races ago by moving the clipon and rear wheel 1/2" forward though.

How would they provide improved outflow of air from the radiator...they're right at the leading edge of the fairings?  ???

Maybe they're there to smooth the airflow around the leading edge of the fairing? Gotta be pretty turbulent with the wheel, forks, etc. right there.  ???

My guess would be that they alter or smooth the air going by the exit ducts on the fairing which might improve how the air flowing through the radiator and bike exit the sides.  This is assuming that's what they are used for.  I thought they were to improve downforce on the bike and improve grip.

That seems reasonable.

http://motomatters.com/opinion/2010/08/02/those_ducati_winglets_what_are_they_real.html (http://motomatters.com/opinion/2010/08/02/those_ducati_winglets_what_are_they_real.html)

Thanks!  [thumbsup] Nice to get a closer look at the from behind as well.

It's pretty normal that even if they're cleared to test, that they don't run the new bike's livery.  They're still under contract with their prior sponsor to pimp out their product on a bike, not someone else's.   Rossi's gag rule is not that usual, but the fact that Casey is running HRC livery and not Repsol is exactly what you'd expect.

I expect that Tech 3 and Yami WSBK get along well enough that Cal could run the Tech 3 livery.  Dunno what
Capi ran, though Suzuki might not care.  They might not care about the 'little' guys.

Check out the "wings" on Rossi's Duc fairing!!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2010/motogp/valencia/test/46/2.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2010/motogp/valencia/test/46/2.htm)

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2010/motogp/valencia/test/46/Dean04.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2010/motogp/valencia/test/46/Dean04.htm)

WTF?

Fixed.  ;D   [laugh]

 [beer]

[laugh]

Ooops. [bang] [laugh] It's officially called a DERBY!!!! Note to self: read preceeding posts first. [laugh]

FWIW, the MotoCyzysc E1pc electric bike sports similar wings on the fairing, and those are explicitly there to pull more air through the radiator.

Man I was on target!

maybe you just remember that conversation from august   :P

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2010/11/09/rossi-impresses-ducati-boss (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2010/11/09/rossi-impresses-ducati-boss)

One of the more detailed interviews after day one.  I can't wait until the new year so we can listen to Rossi's thoughts on the bike.

weds 2pm times http://crash.net/motogp/news/164937/1/valencia_motogp_test_times_-_wednesday_2pm.html (http://crash.net/motogp/news/164937/1/valencia_motogp_test_times_-_wednesday_2pm.html)

...and 3pm: http://crash.net/motogp/news/164939/1/valencia_motogp_test_times_-_wednesday_3pm.html (http://crash.net/motogp/news/164939/1/valencia_motogp_test_times_-_wednesday_3pm.html)

how much should be read into those?  The Ben is running well...

mitt

I am not reading too much as Rossi for example you know is totally analyzing the bike for feedback as apposed to trying to set the world on fire with the fastest lap times....

yup, that's pretty much what everybody is doing... or should be.

for reference, compare their testing times to their respective race times from sunday,

Didn't Casey go faster?

lot of talk about rossi trying to figure out the duc front end..

Preziosi just said that he expected Ducati to use a big bang engine next year. ROS didn't even try the screamer, HAY did, liked BB better

ROS liked the rear grip of the Ducati, liked the engine, didn't have a good feeling with the front.

ROS front end problem: To get confidence in the front, you need to push hard to heat the tire. Hard to go fast with no confidence.

The front end problem was different to the ones STO and HAY had, Preziosi said.

Preziosi also said he had been most impressed that ROS was so calm and positive after such a "bad test"


..all courtesy motomatters via twitter

end of the test times: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164942/1/valencia_motogp_test_times_-_wednesday_5pm_end.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164942/1/valencia_motogp_test_times_-_wednesday_5pm_end.html)

well it sure sounds like the same issue...

i'd love to hear how it's different. probably because it's rossi telling them.  ;D

Well now we wait for Sepang, and Rossi heads off to go under the knife. 

I'm curious to see what happens in Sepang.  You would assume Rossi will be fit.  If he's not near the top of the Sepang test charts, it might be time to worry.  For now I'm not paying much attention to his lap times.

WELL...the data could be showing where the front has more stiction or not in how Rossi pushes the front end as apposed to Casey did or Nicky does...so at this point in the corner wheer Casey starts to slide or Nicky does...Val is okay, but as a different point in the corner is where he loses the feeling...

just guessing like everyone else...

I don't think Rossi going to win the championship in 2011.  Keep your fingers crossed for 2012.

 :o :o



He's supposed to have it in the bag by the 4th round. The GOAT, who is itailian...riding an italian machine. I think it's in the bible somewhere!  [cheeky]

So let it be written....so let it be done...

2012 is a brand new bike for everyone (again, for many).  that year may be an even bigger crapshoot.

and i don't know what i think yet about 2011.  rossi is still injured and this is only testing.. testing a bike he's never been on.  it's also the first 48 hours for jb, as well.  at least casey generally knows what to expect from a 'honda'.

i DO think it's rather interesting that The Ben is only .3 back... :)

JUST FOR GIGGLES...of the old guard here and the keepers of the archival wisdom...

when Rossi finally tested the M1 in 2003 for the 2004 season....what kind of times did he put on THAT machine then and how did he go about testing and so forth with it in comparo to the last 2 days?!?!?!

well.. there was a hell of a lot more testing allowed back then.  but i do recall that by the time they had finished fiddling over the winter (included going from screamer to big bang) rossi came to the preseason test at Catalunya and won the BMW.

Bikes were different then and the rider mattered a lot more.  Riders could make up for deficiencies in the machines.  Nowadays, you have to a settled, competitive machine, a well developed electronics package and a mistake-free rider to win the championship. 


Rossi just has too many challenges for 2011, not enough time, and too many worthy adversaries.  I'll root for him, but I'm just not sure he can pull it off.  In 2012, the playing field is much more equal, which will let the GOAT be the GOAT.  I'm more optimistic about that year than next year.  OTOH (and I know this comment is gonna make you happy), it'll be Year 3 for The Ben and that's when they say that GP riders start to come into their own.

was that when he took Micheal Jordan around the track in that car doing a hot lap?!?!?

I know we're just in the feeling out stage here, but I'm feeling pretty good about my investment in "Ben Spies 2011 MotoGP Champ" T-shirts.

And Casey surprised me. The Duc just seems to be so hard even for him to handle that him on the Honda could be a dangerous combination.

Don't see the GOAT pulling it off next year. Though I, as all Italians must, will be pulling for him.

More importantly, will it be a yellow 46 on the red Duc? That is so not a good look.

it certainly was in 2006

(before the alleged sabotage..)

As usual, good info from DE:
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/11/10/motogp_valencia_day_2_notes.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/11/10/motogp_valencia_day_2_notes.html)

Silence, best look ever

and hopefully it'll be moving to fast so you'll only get to see it parked at the podium

So what's the deal with the all black leathers.

I read something about Rossi wearing them because of an existing agreement with Yamaha?

you surely don't expect him to wear his white and blue fiat yamaha leathers while he's riding the duc, do ya?

Haha.... no

I was just wondering if he was restricted to black or something. I'll see if I cant find the article.

No, but Ducati agreed to run a carbon bike without the red out of respect for the Fiat Yamaha testing release.  I assume Rossi wore black since it matched the unpainted carbon scheme.  There isn't much to read into it.

yea, pretty much happens the same way every year

Good read.  I'm really looking forward to seeing what changes Vale and JB can bring about with that bike.

You could bet lots of dollars 0R euros on that.  Ducati certainly is. They are more motivated by racing and race results than any other manufacturer.  They will want The Italian to win a world championship(s) on their bike so badly that they'll work like they've never worked before to make it happen. National pride, company pride and all that. The front feel is pretty much the same issue except now they'll be out to solve it rather than ride around it.

he was restricted to not-ducati.  same as stoner was restricted to not-honda.  they're both on loan until jan 1.

Rossi's probably playing head-games again.... [evil]

If they're all using the same tires, why are the Duc's not heating up as fast as the others' -- can't they redirect the exhaust over the tire to help?  Maybe that's what the fins are for.... [popcorn]

redirect exhaust heat to the front tire?  ???
Different chassis will weight/stress the tires differently. Of course different bikes will wear the tires differently; these are known characteristics of some of them. The D16 doesn't heat the front readily. The BMW superbike destroys it's tires halfway through most races. We could go on.

pretty sure that was a joke.  ;)

aaaand I'm tarded, sorry  [beer]

Don't be too hard on yourself.... [laugh]  well, it was 99% tongue-in-cheek but a teensy-weensy bit serious, too..... ;)

I'm no expert, but tires heat up from rolling on the pavement, so is it mostly a weight-distribution effect; a suspension-effect; a rider-induced effect, or all of the above?

Was Rossi surprised with the performance - as one would think a bike's front-end behavior wouild be common knowledge around the pits/paddock?

Does this issue reflect (badly) in some way on Suppo's leadership/direction at Ducati?

If largely weight distribution, then that sounds like an expensive issue to ovecome...

Anybody wanna take a stab at these?

you know suppo has been at HRC for over a year, right?

otherwise, they have a chassis problem.  i'm sure that Preziosi/JB/Rossi will get it figured out.

you've got more faith than I do. I guess with the far-reduced testing of today's gp, I think it'll take longer to have the transformative effect that rossi had on the yamaha.

between the nsr500, rc211v, and yzr-m1, i have confidence that burgess has a pretty comprehensive notebook of "what works".

Yeah, you arent just getting Rossi the rider. Youre getting his experience and that of his team he brings along

More a matter of how quick, and efficiently they can implement these changes, alongside a rather restrictive testing cycle

well...on motors, yes, it is restrictive...if JB and VR can have the data conveyed the way they want and have the test mules that are not restricted ( like how Vitto used to do before taking over the team from Suppo) to develop the other parts of the bike for to make that front end more concise and stabil...then you can certainly see those parts come into being used in the race season...

personally, I think the front end issue probably has something to do with the carbon fibre frame and it's design....but I am not an engineer and don't have a real basis for that other than just the fact that these front end problems didn't seem to be anywhere near as prevelant until they started going to the carbon fiber framework...at least in terms of what you did and didn't hear about...

http://motomatters.com/news/2010/11/18/marco_melandri_i_had_the_same_problems_a.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/11/18/marco_melandri_i_had_the_same_problems_a.html)

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/11/burgess-chill-people-rossi-will-be-fast-on-the-ducati/#more-8659 (http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/11/burgess-chill-people-rossi-will-be-fast-on-the-ducati/#more-8659)

This year's (2010) bike was designed over a year ago....like in 2008/2009 wasn't it?

I would consider the 2010 bike an evolution of the 2009 cross-plane crank bike.

So some parts might be very similar to parts designed in '08.

But they haven't sent me CAD files yet, so YMMV.  [cheeky]

Ah, another reason I wish I spoke Italian!

Valentino Rossi & Ducati test__VIDEO INEDITI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cRr9vUg2LY#normal)

He's saying,'Chillout guys, I got this'

Nah, what he is saying is, 'No wonder I've been kicking your ass all these years.'

(http://img.listal.com/image/1145656/500full.jpg)You ain't got no problem, Fillippo. I'm on the muthamake the beast with two backsa. Go back in there, chill them engineers out, and wait for The Doctor, which'll be comin di-rectly.

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/MotoGP+of+Catalunya+Practice+FyKspYm794Yc.jpg)You sending The Doctor?

(http://img.listal.com/image/1145656/500full.jpg)You feel better now, muthamake the beast with two backsa?

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/MotoGP+of+Catalunya+Practice+FyKspYm794Yc.jpg)Sheeeeeet...that's all you had to say.

fav post ever ^

imo, watching VR intently getting the location of the 46 decal 'just right' and then patiently squeezing out all the air bubbles says volumes about the guy...

Hope Dr. Strangelove (the other doctor on the team) can pull this one off...gonna be an interesting 2011 season  [popcorn]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88792 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88792)

"Ducati will not build a Yamaha 'clone' (unless valentino tells us to)"

LOL.  I thought the same thing when I read that article.  It's all clouds and angel farts until the last line where he basically says "if Rossi wants it, we'll scrap the mofo and start over."

What's funny about this video:
All of the engineers giggling like school girls. Those guys are sporting wood they're so friggin excited.

What's awesome about this video:
When Valentino gets on the bike just to get in position and feel the bike out, a hush comes over the paddock. He starts rubbing the side of the tank and instantly it feels like there are a room full of people who are ready to reshape the tank. You don't have to speak Italian to see the excitement and the shared sense of purpose. I honestly think if the bike is only good for 5th place, that team with it's joy, love, and dare I say it - passion, will get 3rd. It's quite remarkable. And what an honor to be working in such a place. I'm sure I speak for a lot of people in shitty jobs who are envious of being able to do what you enjoy so much. Now when the bike is getting wadded up and the lap times aren't coming, we'll see how long the honeymoon lasts. But those guys look like they'd take a bullet for Vale.

Oh, and it sounds awesome too.

Amen.  8)

It wasn't that way for all the Championship wins at Yamaha?

+1 [clap]

I never saw the Vale leaving Honda and his initial sniffing around the Yamaha paddock video of 2003. But I bet it was exactly that way for those guys as well.
Just, you know, Japanese wood.