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I like the looks of this bike.  EPA approved.  
(http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/picture/tha%20misfit_002.png?pictureId=7676102)
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http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/bikes/tha-misfit/ (http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/bikes/tha-misfit/)

How much?

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2010/04/09/cleveland-cyclewerks/ (http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2010/04/09/cleveland-cyclewerks/)

$2,499

Made in Cleveland, China USA  :P

this thing is awesome, guy went over there to set everything up to western standards so that he could make quality cheap bikes that look cool, i dig.

man if plays his marketing hand correctly those things are gonna be popular, way to go guy

Awwwww, how cute!  It's a baby GT!!

This is pretty cool.  Nice work.  Great price.

Optional rear sets and clip-ons?

Good idea but it would be much better with a motocross liquid cold engine and efi.  That, of course, would increase the price but it would also boost the performance and fuel economy.  

being in NE Ohio, this excites me very much. I'd love to get something for comfortable 2-up riding. Perhaps next summer?

wait, wtf?

250cc on what mill?

Max speed only 75mph?

Plus dry weight of 296lbs

Hmm - me thinks this might look OK, but performs poorly.

ummm...it's a 250

and that's pretty damn light

It's not so light. 

For a ready to go wet weight street bike it is

and it's nearly 60lbs lighter than the next in it's group

CBR250R is 357
Ninja 250 is 374

What would you consider light?

I assumed that was dry weight. 

Ducati 600ss "nuda" was 355 lbs dry with the factory plastic

And that's a 50hp twin

yes, but for the second time in this thread it's a carb'd 250... it's not going to make 130hp

And you know what they say about people who assume things....they makes asses of themselves  [evil]

i double-checked the specs : http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/bikes/tha-misfit/ (http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/bikes/tha-misfit/)

it's 296 lbs dry, not wet.  Add another 8-10 lbs for a battery, gas weighs 6 lbs/gal and another 7 lbs for 4 qts of oil.  I'd say add another 40lbs for the wet weight. 

Close to 340 lbs wet. 

So I didn't make an ass of myself at all, I assumed correctly.  Weights are always reported as dry.

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ripped from HFL

134kg=395lbs

check ccw site and it is the dry weight, HFL's chart is wrong.

Still making it a light, cheap, good looking fantastic beginner ride.

135 x 2.2 = ~~295

so you agree it's light  ;D

It is a 250 though so I doubt it will take 4 quarts of oil.  Don't know what electronics it has to run but I doubt it would need a large battery either.  I like it but I think it would look nicer with some clip-ons.

Got that wrong too! [thumbsup]

Who makes the engine?

I asked that earlier too, it makes a huge difference even if it's way overweight for the engine size.

I hate you, i hate you sooo much

I had heard there was a honda connection but no real word on the engine yet

I seriously doubt its a honda.  Probably a chinese make.



 :'(   [laugh]

It is a Chinese engine. The whole bike is Chinese.

does that mean you ride it all you want and then 2 hours later you want to ride it again?

Didn't mean to nitpick sorry, I just recently picked up an older Honda 250 and was trying to think why this bike seems so heavy.  The bike I have is a 76 honda 250 and according to this website http://bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_xl_250_1976.php (http://bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_xl_250_1976.php) the weight is listed as 326.  Highly doubt it is accurate but even if it is close it doesn't make sense that bikes haven't gotten much lighter over the years.

    Another junk Chinese clone... It should be considered the same as the sunglasses knock-off market, first You buy one at a kiosk at the mall, then Wall-Mart will sell them. What about parts, service, ect.  Disposable crap...Who cares about weight and performance..... [puke]

That was kind of my initial response.  Who cares if an American dude went to China to set up a factory... tons of American dudes go over there and set up factories.  They make millions of bikes over there that we don't get to see, and I am sure some are really cool.

What annoys me is that he couldn't make it work in Cleveland or another mid-western city.
"Scott is from Cleveland, Ohio, and he tells me he tried to build the bike there but he couldn't get the support he was looking for and manufacturers he talked to shied away from motorcycles due to liability concerns."  

The fact that "manufacturers he talked to shied away from motorcycles due to liability concerns" is SO lame.  Are people really that scared of getting sued?  I think its a cop out and his way of saying I couldn't get the capital raised to build a bike in the US, so lets go to China where it will be cheap and noone will be held accountable...  This is the way of the world, but lets leave out the "I tried to biuld it here" story. 

The cafe bike looks cool, but for that kind of dough you can get a really nice 70's Japanese bike.  Who knows which will be more reliable?  

The 250 bobber/chopper is lame, and I have seen the same bike being sold at PepBoys and on ebay.    

actually, it's probably accurate.   i doubt it's 100% a cop out, but clearly manufacturing in china is cheaper.

something tells me doing it all over here would make the cost of the bike 3x as much.

why should we worry?  i think we do fine  -- we still make plastic bags and egg cartons here.   [roll]

I'm sure it is accurate and I don't doubt he tried, but "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."  I'm a bit more disapointed with the local manufacturers/political leaders in the area that couldn't make it happen for him.  In reality, going overseas was his only choice, so good on him for not giving up when everyone local turned him down.    Unfortunetly, I think you are right about the bikes costing 3x as much if they were built here. 
If they attempted to match costs with Chinese manufacturing, the quality of the US made product would be crap.     

I'm less thrilled with this bike the more I look at the parts. Cleveland should be able to support the manufacture of small motorcycles pretty easily. The labor market here is huge and desperate. Hmmm...

Even if he went over and set up the plant, which I doubt, the quality will drop the day he leaves.

Cleveland is that bad?

No one would do it, as soon as they heard the parts they were making was for a motorcycle they bailed for insurance reasons

He didn't only go over and set up the plant he has some of his people there to continue to check the quality

what does that even mean?

if they are just making the parts, they aren't liable for anything.  it's the seller/manufacturer.  you can't sue an oem who just provided the parts according to spec.

Ask their lawyers not me, this is why we don't make anything anymore.

I'm a lawyer and I am asking why you said that.  It's nonsense.  A buyer only has a contractual relationship with the seller (i.e. assembler/designer), not the various companies that might have made the individual parts.  Same issue with the Ducati plastic tanks. It's not made by Ducati, it's made by Acerbis, but no one can sue Acerbis except Ducati.

I know you are, and I had a feeling it is.

Got it from scott himself, Was in an interview in HFL

I'll grab the quote when i'm less buzzed.

it sounds like a cop-out.  suppliers make parts under agreement with the manufacturer/designer according to spec.  generally, even if there is no indemnification, the supplier can't be held liable unless he makes a truly defective part.

enjoy the buzz.. [thumbsup] [drink]

agreed. There are tax incentives out the ass in Northeast Ohio for manufacturing facilities. There are ample places on or near interstates, train lines and other shipping outlets. There's still manufacturing happening here. Calling it insurance is bullshit. Saying that's why we don't make things here anymore is silly. The lack of a minimum wage and police repression to keep it that way in China is why we don't make things here anymore.

I think it all has to do with Lebron leaving the area.  All hope for the future has be deflated. 

If so, maybe they can move the rock n roll to a real city

I'm digging the bobber version.  At that price though, it seems like one of those 3/4 scale bikes like the Kikker 5150. 
I've went down that chinese ATV road before only to find that getting parts or service is next to impossible.  Forget it. 

Looks like Lifan makes it.  But then again, the Chinese are known to make copies of copies of copies...

They are so cheap, you just buy a second one and keep it for parts... :D

So I saw it in person at the show in Long Beach.  Absolute P O S!!!  [thumbsdown]

Why's that?

The ultimate poser cafe racer.....maybe it'd be a big seller if they mounted a GPS in the top of the gas tank.... [roll]

that's a shame to hear.
wished it was better quality and they had something here.

sad that nothing can be manufactured here anymore.

I wouldn't want to start any type of manufacturing business in the states. Most people don't want to work hard enough for level of pay that would make it profitable.

I think that mentality has changed based on the reality on the ground.  The effects of outsourcing is horrible horrible in the long run for society here.  There is a huge adjustment in the standard of living going on in the world.  Equilibrium has shifted and as a result ppl here are getting shafted.

OMG!  Every aspect!  Looks like a kids toy.  Speedo looks fake (it's that bad), All switches/controls absolutely cheapest of the cheap!  Basically the finnish looks nothing like the pics.  Forget this guys, better off buying a Rebel and bobbing it!

Bobbing rebels are easy as hell, too. Get the parts at bluecollarbobbers.com and even a novice can bolt one together.