http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358)
Hopefully no more will be added to this list. Here are their stories,names,ages,faces,who,what and where.
Your country is proud of you as I am.
BGB
RIP to all. [thumbsup]
I recently read an article about the current state of war and that the US and other countries around the world are entering into what's widely being called a "state of constant war".
It's a scary thing to think that it could never end. Complacency for the loss of life and sheer amount of death as a whole will change humanity forever.
Quote from: Monster Dave on December 08, 2010, 09:07:20 AM
I recently read an article about the current state of war and that the US and other countries around the world are entering into what's widely being called a "state of constant war".
It's a scary thing to think that it could never end. Complacency for the loss of life and sheer amount of death as a whole will change humanity forever.
That's such an interesting discussion. I would say that it's just the opposite: there is very little complacency. People today react with the same horror at one death that people used to react with 100s of deaths. Right now, we've been at war in Iraq and Afghanistan for 10 years but the number of deaths compared to other 10 year conflicts is a fraction -- yet people are far more concerned and interested in those deaths today and far angrier about them.
I agree about the "constant state of war" fears -- bear in mind that is the story backdrop of
1984.
The number of deaths may be a fraction
but
can anyone find any information on our number of wounded?
Quote from: ducatiz on December 08, 2010, 09:31:08 AM
That's such an interesting discussion. I would say that it's just the opposite: there is very little complacency. People today react with the same horror at one death that people used to react with 100s of deaths. Right now, we've been at war in Iraq and Afghanistan for 10 years but the number of deaths compared to other 10 year conflicts is a fraction -- yet people are far more concerned and interested in those deaths today and far angrier about them.
I agree about the "constant state of war" fears -- bear in mind that is the story backdrop of 1984.
True enough. I think that I would enjoy (the learning process) of writing a paper on the Humanity of Modern Warfare. While some would rightfully argue that 1 life lost is one 1 too many, you are absolutely correct that the net sum of life lost has been dramatically reduced - which in its own right is no small feat.
Quote from: Mother on December 08, 2010, 09:55:23 AM
can anyone find any information on our number of wounded?
Without factual information at hand, I'd have to conclude that based on the point made by ducatiiz, the number of wounded would also have declined in comparison to past conflicts.
Quote from: badgalbetty on December 07, 2010, 11:34:55 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358)
Hopefully no more will be added to this list. Here are their stories,names,ages,faces,who,what and where.
Your country is proud of you as I am.
BGB
What's really sad is that looking at the ages of fallen soldiers reveals that most of then were just kids. I'd have to guess that the median age is somewhere between 22-28 years old.
That's really really sad.
Quote from: Monster Dave on December 08, 2010, 09:58:35 AM
True enough. I think that I would enjoy (the learning process) of writing a paper on the Humanity of Modern Warfare. While some would rightfully argue that 1 life lost is one 1 too many, you are absolutely correct that the net sum of life lost has been dramatically reduced - which in its own right is no small feat.
Without factual information at hand, I'd have to conclude that based on the point made by ducatiiz, the number of wounded would also have declined in comparison to past conflicts.
superior medical technology and implementation reduces deaths
it does not reduced the amount of soldiers wounded
Quote from: Monster Dave on December 08, 2010, 09:58:35 AM
What's really sad is that looking at the ages of fallen soldiers reveals that most of then were just kids. I'd have to guess that the median age is somewhere between 22-28 years old.
The average age of soldiers in Vietnam was 19. Remember the song?
There are more than a few news websites who chronicle all of the fallen American soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. As far as the wounded, I don't think anyone has that available, that's probably not released.
Quote from: Mother on December 08, 2010, 10:06:10 AM
superior medical technology and implementation reduces deaths
it does not reduced the amount of soldiers wounded
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Superior technology vastly reduces the number of soldiers put in harms's way.
Quote from: El Matador on December 08, 2010, 10:32:35 AM
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Superior technology vastly reduces the number of soldiers put in harms's way.
I said superior medical technology
meaning
our number of deaths is reduced because we save many more wounded than in previous conflict
thus
a lower death count
but
A lower death count due to that technology does not mean fewer wounded soilders
Quote from: El Matador on December 08, 2010, 10:32:35 AM
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Superior technology vastly reduces the number of soldiers put in harms's way.
yeah but that is of little solice to someone that just lost their son/daughter in a war.
Quote from: El Matador on December 08, 2010, 10:32:35 AM
Superior technology vastly reduces the number of soldiers put in harms's way.
That all depends on which side you're on!! [cheeky] Just kidding.
You're both right. But medical technology has nothing to do with risk factor reduction for wounds and/or death.
Someone commented about the young age of the soldiers that were killed in vietnam. Yes, there is a difference here in ages. First off ,most of the soldiers killed in Vietnam were consripted men and women, who had no choice about joining up or where they where sent or what their job was. In this conflict , the soldiers killed that I posted about are professional soldiers. Not conscripts. Modern warfare in a desert area is a bit different from jungle warfare from nearly 40 years ago. I too am saddened at how many people died in vietnam but one cannot compare apples to oranges. This is a different time with different personel with different training and using different weaponry. It seems to me that the majority of deaths in this conflict from a UK standpoint has been caused by IED's which is a very cowardly way to kill. It is the weapon of choice for saboteurs and terrorists, not professional fighting soldiers. Either way, one life lost in war is still one life too many. Sleep well brothers and sisters.
Just curious as to why you posted a link to deaths of soldiers from the UK?
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 08, 2010, 11:38:49 PM
Just curious as to why you posted a link to deaths of soldiers from the UK?
She's british
Quote from: Mother on December 08, 2010, 10:06:10 AM
superior medical technology and implementation reduces deaths
it does not reduced the amount of soldiers wounded
Quote from: El Matador on December 08, 2010, 10:32:35 AM
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Superior technology vastly reduces the number of soldiers put in harms's way.
Quote from: Mother on December 08, 2010, 10:34:35 AM
I said superior medical technology
meaning
our number of deaths is reduced because we save many more wounded than in previous conflict
thus
a lower death count
but
A lower death count due to that technology does not mean fewer wounded soilders
You guys are talking about two different tangents of the topic.
Yes,
superior medical technology results in less deaths but more living wounded. Simple really. Where, in the past, say 50 of 100 wounded resulted in death and now only say 10 wounded results in death you are going to have A: less death and B: more wounded. I would bet the vast majority of the wounded would prefer to be in their classification over the other.
Superior warfare technology and tactics have reduced both the resultant deaths and wounded that we have sustained.
Quote from: badgalbetty on December 08, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
Someone commented about the young age of the soldiers that were killed in vietnam. Yes, there is a difference here in ages. First off ,most of the soldiers killed in Vietnam were consripted men and women, who had no choice about joining up or where they where sent or what their job was. In this conflict , the soldiers killed that I posted about are professional soldiers. Not conscripts. Modern warfare in a desert area is a bit different from jungle warfare from nearly 40 years ago. I too am saddened at how many people died in vietnam but one cannot compare apples to oranges. This is a different time with different personel with different training and using different weaponry. It seems to me that the majority of deaths in this conflict from a UK standpoint has been caused by IED's which is a very cowardly way to kill. It is the weapon of choice for saboteurs and terrorists, not professional fighting soldiers. Either way, one life lost in war is still one life too many. Sleep well brothers and sisters.
/no arguments
but the viet cong used a lot of improvised materiel. they were big into using mines and traps, but i see what you're saying.
my point was, regardless of conscripts or not, 19yo is a lot younger than any typical 25-28 yo.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 08, 2010, 10:08:44 AM
The average age of soldiers in Vietnam was 19. Remember the song?
Like it was yesterday. ;)
Quote from: Mother on December 08, 2010, 11:50:51 PM
She's british
I hold two passports, one American and one British.
Quote from: badgalbetty on December 09, 2010, 06:54:44 PM
I hold two passports, one American and one British.
So she's British and she knows where the body of an American chic is
;D
Hey Mother there's nowt wrong with being a true Brit.. ;) ;)
Although we do seem to have our fare share of aliens.. [bang]
[coffee]
As an American I am proud of the men and women in uniform of my country and I am also proud of the British soldiers. The point of the original post was was there is always RIP's from fallen American service personnell here on the forum and none from other countries. We are a global web site with members everywhere and I thought that seeing that the UK was involved in the conflict which is designed to rid the area of thugs and improve the lives of millions of Afghans there are still a lot of deaths that are not American. I just wanted to remind everyone that we are all in it together fighting a common enemy with a common purpose. Please send gifts to our soldiers and if you want to learn what they need, The American Legion can help. Needed are shaving supplies, sanitary napkins, Nuts, dried fruits, magazines, kleenex, anti biotic ointment, foot care ointment and powders ,etc. Common things we take for granted but when you are in theatre these are luxury items that are not always available.
Be well soldiers be safe.
BGB
Very nicely put Erica.. [thumbsup]
WE should all be grateful to the guy's and gal's who are putting thier neck's on the line so that we can sleep safely at night, it really pisses me off the way they are taken for granted.
RIP all our fallen HERO'S.
[coffee]
Quote from: badgalbetty on December 10, 2010, 06:53:34 AM
As an American I am proud of the men and women in uniform of my country and I am also proud of the British soldiers. The point of the original post was was there is always RIP's from fallen American service personnell here on the forum and none from other countries. We are a global web site with members everywhere and I thought that seeing that the UK was involved in the conflict which is designed to rid the area of thugs and improve the lives of millions of Afghans there are still a lot of deaths that are not American. I just wanted to remind everyone that we are all in it together fighting a common enemy with a common purpose. Please send gifts to our soldiers and if you want to learn what they need, The American Legion can help. Needed are shaving supplies, sanitary napkins, Nuts, dried fruits, magazines, kleenex, anti biotic ointment, foot care ointment and powders ,etc. Common things we take for granted but when you are in theatre these are luxury items that are not always available.
Be well soldiers be safe.
BGB
Hear Hear
Well said indeed! [thumbsup] [beer]