I want a Jeep Commander with the CRD engine. They sell it everywhere but in the US.
http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/jeep-commander-3.0crd-1005093.html (http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/jeep-commander-3.0crd-1005093.html)
California's ARB knew that the research tasked with deciding the diesel particulate and emissions rules LIED ...
..but accepted the recommendations anyhow.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/apr/25/lz1ed25top192452-air-board-knew/?uniontrib (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/apr/25/lz1ed25top192452-air-board-knew/?uniontrib)
QuoteAccording to a document provided this week by the California Air Resources Board, on Dec. 10, 2008, air board scientist Hien T. Tran admitted to Bart Croes, head of the air board's research department, that he had lied about having a Ph.D. in statistics from the University of California Davis. Tran was no minor player in the air board hierarchy. He was the lead scientist and coordinator of an ambitious, far-reaching study on diesel emissions that air board leaders thought made a powerful case for sweeping new rules governing the heavy-duty trucks responsible for most such emissions.
At this point, the air board's responsibilities were plain: It should have immediately suspended Tran and commissioned an independent outside evaluation of Tran's work. And it should have put off action on proposed regulations based on Tran's research.
Instead, on Dec. 12, the board voted unanimously for the rules. Reporters covering the high-profile hearing at which this action was taken were not told that the air board knew the lead scientist on the study justifying the regulations had lied about his academic credentials.
As a result: Few good diesels in the USA, and the ones that are here have tons of unnecessary emissions crap on them. Why? 11 states other than California use the ARB's regulations. That's why the Jeep Cherokee/Laredo with the CRD engine was only 39 state legal.
I would love to shoehorn that motor into my jeep
on a side note
WTF California?
Here is a simple way to make CA suck less:
1) Move.
2) Quit whining.
sac
Quote from: Sắc Dục on December 08, 2010, 10:01:26 AM
Here is a simple way to make CA suck less:
1) Move.
2) Quit whining.
sac
I approve of the above suggestions...
[thumbsup]
Not above me, but B'low me...
[bacon]
Quote from: Sắc Dục on December 08, 2010, 10:01:26 AM
Here is a simple way to make CA suck less:
1) Move.
2) Quit whining.
sac
I was thinking more along the lines of talking to Mexico about that planned Aztlan expansion...
it just blows my mind that the ARB would be AWARE of outright fraud by one of its personnel and still accept their recommendations..
Quote from: Sắc Dục on December 08, 2010, 10:01:26 AM
Here is a simple way to make CA suck less:
1) Move.
2) Quit whining.
sac
ah
don't complain and move if you don't like it
spoken like a true aristocrat
I have a Jeep Liberty with the CRD engine. The engine is great but I've been through 2 transmissions, numerous recalls and some pretty poor customer service(may be specific dealership related). It gets about 20mpg in FWD, 25mpg in general driving and about 29mpg in long distance, warm weather, cruise control highway driving. Once the turbo spools up, that jeep is a little rocket.
Quote from: Mother on December 08, 2010, 10:14:10 AM
ah
don't complain and move if you don't like it
spoken like a true aristocrat
Seriously? "Oh no I can't get exactly what I want exactly when I want it! And I'm just going to complain into the void and condemn an entire 163,696 sq mile area instead of actually doing something about it! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
(http://movieimage2.tripod.com/grail/grail04.jpg)
sac
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 08, 2010, 10:19:43 AM
I have a Jeep Liberty with the CRD engine. The engine is great but I've been through 2 transmissions, numerous recalls and some pretty poor customer service(may be specific dealership related). It gets about 20mpg in FWD, 25mpg in general driving and about 29mpg in long distance, warm weather, cruise control highway driving. Once the turbo spools up, that jeep is a little rocket.
The CRD in the Liberty is the small VM engine.. the Cherokee and the Commander both have the 3.0 V6 CRD.. it's supposed to get about 30 mpg highway!
Quote from: Sắc Dục on December 08, 2010, 10:01:26 AM
Here is a simple way to make CA suck less:
1) Move.
2) Quit whining.
sac
I agree with this. Only people that enjoy things the way they are should be allowed to stay.
Quote from: duccarlos on December 08, 2010, 10:38:01 AM
I agree with this. Only people that enjoy things the way they are or are actively working to change things should be allowed to stay.
Fixed.
sac
Quote from: Sắc Dục on December 08, 2010, 10:30:01 AM
Seriously? "Oh no I can't get exactly what I want exactly when I want it! And I'm just going to complain into the void and condemn an entire 163,696 sq mile area instead of actually doing something about it! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
sac
the 163,696 sq mile area that you know as "california" differs from the govern-mental body that outsiders refer to as "california"
also
diesel technology is a necessary improvement over that of current gasoline technology
and
this individual has impeded that process
thus
folk who are interested or have a pony in the race of diesel technology should be pissed (thus complaining)
since "california" is a U.S. leader in emissions regulation and other states use their research (now unknown if they are accurate or a result of personal prerogative)
Quote from: Mother on December 08, 2010, 10:48:42 AM
the 163,696 sq mile area that you know as "california" differs from the govern-mental body that outsiders refer to as "california"
also
diesel technology is a necessary improvement over that of current gasoline technology
and
this individual has impeded that process
thus
folk who are interested or have a pony in the race of diesel technology should be pissed (thus complaining)
since "california" is a U.S. leader in emissions regulation and other states use their research (now unknown if they are accurate or a result of personal prerogative)
Soooooooo . . . because we don't like one regulation that affects our purchase of a luxury item we cannot condemn the actual land itself but we can condemn the entire "governmental body" of that land. Okay.
Aaaaaaaaaand . . . if you don't like those other things you could:
1) Move
2) Quit whining
3) Do something about it
4) Go get the damn jeep anyway and lie your way through the registration process
5) http://www.northwest-national.com/18-1011.htm (http://www.northwest-national.com/18-1011.htm)
sac
Quote from: Sắc Dục on December 08, 2010, 10:58:50 AM
Soooooooo . . . because we don't like one regulation that affects our purchase of a luxury item we cannot condemn the actual land itself but we can condemn the entire "governmental body" of that land. Okay.
Aaaaaaaaaand . . . if you don't like those other things you could:
1) Move
2) Quit whining
3) Do something about it
4) Go get the damn jeep anyway and lie your way through the registration process
5) http://www.northwest-national.com/18-1011.htm (http://www.northwest-national.com/18-1011.htm)
sac
The issue at hand would be that of regulations adopted in light of unqualified research
not of the purchase of a "luxury item"
the regulations are a result of a
"far-reaching study on diesel emissions that air board leaders thought made a powerful case for sweeping new rules governing the heavy-duty trucks responsible for most such emissions"
this directly affects emissions standards of the transportion industry
which is a significant source of inflation
or
you could follow your own advice
I like all the californians I know (including Mrs Ducatiz from LA)
I love the land.
The continued stream of nonsense such as this issue pisses me off. The ENTIRE auto industry is affected. Cali and the 11 states following CARB in such an ovine fashion are about half of the US car market.
Quote from: Sắc Dục on December 08, 2010, 10:01:26 AM
Here is a simple way to make CA suck less:
1) Move.
2) Quit whining.
sac
I really wish you would stop doing this. Californians are a plague in Austin. They get fed up with the expenses and overregulation in Cali, so they move to Austin and legislate and drive up the prices.
Get the hell out of Texas. You're not wanted.
:)
Quote from: El Matador on December 08, 2010, 11:35:13 AM
I really wish you would stop doing this. Californians are a plague in Austin. They get fed up with the expenses and overregulation in Cali, so they move to Austin and legislate and drive up the prices.
Get the hell out of Texas. You're not wanted.
:)
I think a lot of folks in Colorado feel the same way
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 08, 2010, 11:46:49 AM
I think a lot of folks in Colorado feel the same way
And the New Mexicans. Maybe its around california that a wall should be built. They ruined their state, stay the hell out oif ours.
I'll take an invasion of hard working mexicans over the diaspora of hard-pregnant doging californians amy day.
I love amy day.
Florida is way to far to be affected by the californian invasion. Thank goodness.
Quote from: Mother on December 08, 2010, 11:16:23 AM
The issue at hand would be that of regulations adopted in light of unqualified research
Which indeed sucks and is unfair. Ridiculous even. Truly dumb on the part of the regulating authorities. Can't argue that. Still not a reason condemn an entire state.
not of the purchase of a "luxury item"
There are other vehicles that could do the job of this one. It is a want not a need. CA didn't ban ambulances and firetrucks. Its a want not a need. The regulators were trying to control harmful emissions. They just make the beast with two backsed up in this case. But it is certainly not a reason to condemn an entire state.
the regulations are a result of a
"far-reaching study on diesel emissions that air board leaders thought made a powerful case for sweeping new rules governing the heavy-duty trucks responsible for most such emissions"
this directly affects emissions standards of the transportion industry
Truly a bummer considering how much shipping is done within and through CA.
which is a significant source of inflation
Again, that sucks and the regulators and inept at best or corrupt at worst.
or
you could follow your own advice
I am. Thanks. If you want to condemn an entire state for a minor injustice it has imposed on you, you truly should consider moving.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 08, 2010, 11:46:49 AM
I think a lot of folks in Colorado feel the same way
And Oregon. And Washington. And Montana. Definitely Montana. And don't be from LA and move to NYC. And any xenophobic hick town that thinks all of CA is either surfers that are coked up on the reefer pills or gangbangers that will shoot you if you drive on the freeway or dyed in red communists or illegal immigrants.
sac
/born in WI
//lived in CA 8 years
///kinda understand why people don't like native Californians
////still no worse than anywhere else I've lived
Quote from: Sắc Dục on December 08, 2010, 12:03:05 PM
////still no worse than anywhere else I've lived
Have you ever met a native Floridian? Now that's scary.
Quote from: duccarlos on December 08, 2010, 11:56:03 AM
I love amy day.
Florida is way to far to be affected by the californian invasion. Thank goodness.
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[laugh]
Stupid little touchscreen keyboard is ill-suited to giant ham fingers like mine
Quote from: duccarlos on December 08, 2010, 11:56:03 AM
I love amy day.
Florida is way to far to be affected by the californian invasion. Thank goodness.
Were to damn full of New Yorkers, Bostonians and varoius other annoying northerners.
And I am a 5th gen Floridian.
Quote from: duccarlos on December 08, 2010, 12:04:50 PM
Have you ever met a native Floridian? Now that's scary.
Hey. Watch it.
:P
Quote from: Sắc Dục on December 08, 2010, 12:03:05 PM
And Oregon. And Washington. And Montana. Definitely Montana. And don't be from LA and move to NYC. And any xenophobic hick town that thinks all of CA is either surfers that are coked up on the reefer pills or gangbangers that will shoot you if you drive on the freeway or dyed in red communists or illegal immigrants.
sac
/born in WI
//lived in CA 8 years
///kinda understand why people don't like native Californians
////still no worse than anywhere else I've lived
Actually, all of those you mentioned stay put. The ones that move are the self-important, self-aggrandizing, useless, holier-than-thou Brian Ws that drove your great state to bankrupcy and give you all a bad name
so much for a good natured rant thread.. [roll]
Quote from: ducatiz on December 08, 2010, 12:50:14 PM
so much for a good natured rant thread.. [roll]
If Cali was actually concerned about pollution...
why don't they regulate the emissions of the thousands of ships that enter the ports daily?
I could still buy a 2 smoker if anyone was paying attention...
but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
No money to be made there.