What is the saying- something like "know your backdrop"? ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW0Xx4DXkYk&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW0Xx4DXkYk&feature=player_embedded#)!
(any politics and this thread will be locked)
mitt
"know your back drop"
It's Alaska! There's nothing or no one in the horizon for miles except for Russia.
(sorry Mitt, I couldn't resist!) ;D If my response is over the line or too tempting for others let me know and I'll remove it.
True. How about "know your gun" and the five misses she let go?
mitt
Bahahaha "Somethin's not right here cause this gun is right on." Yeah, she's a horrible shot.
Quote from: erkishhorde on December 09, 2010, 02:44:19 PM
Bahahaha "Somethin's not right here cause this gun is right on." Yeah, she's a horrible shot.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg809585#msg809585 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg809585#msg809585)
Quote from: ducatiz on December 08, 2010, 04:19:53 AM
If you need more than 3 with that style of rifle, then you need to find another job.
it's easy to miss standing like that. if she really wanted to hit it she should take a knee and properly support the weight of the rifle.
okay i should have actually watched it before i just assumed by the picture.
It's a tough shot for someone that is out of practice. I'm surprise it didn't bolt after the first shot.
Dumbest Caribou ever. You think it might have ran after the first 4 misses! [laugh]
...and why can't she operate the bolt herself? ???
My M1A1 did someting simular to me.
The scope mount was moving during recoil, not every time, just often enough to drive you nuts.
We finally covered a 4' sq pallet with white butcher paper, stapled 1 target to it, and set it out at 100 yds.
Lloyd spotted for me with a 50x spotting scope.
3 shots nice group......make adjustment.....3 shots.....and then out of the blue 2 ft high and 1 ft right.....WTF
After cleaning the appropiate area with brake clean and appling a liberal dose of red locktite, the problem went away.
So my wild ass quess is during transport the scope was damaged. You always assume that a miss is your fault, if the scope is off it will drive you nuts, especially if the rifle in question has been a tack driver in the past.
didn't her Dad shoot the rifle at the camp after they returned swearing it was dead on? their buddy placed a paper plate and the guy missed as well. don't know if Sarah can shoot for shit but six total shots by two people and no target hit. the rifle is off.
Quote from: Triple J on December 09, 2010, 03:25:44 PM
Dumbest Caribou ever. You think it might have ran after the first 4 misses! [laugh]
...and why can't she operate the bolt herself? ???
At the range between Kenai and Soldotna, we had to cease fire and wait, a small herd of Caribou walked over the berm and slowly walked between 5 of us and our target
on the 50yd pistol range.
Caribou do not associate gun fire with danger. People smells are a whole different matter, if you're upwind, they will take of 100's of yards away, as soon as they get the scent.
I have to assume that they know the area and that they know there were no stuctures over the hill, but you can't be sure there wasn't a person on the other side. I don't know, I wasn't there. Maybe they did know.
Quote from: D Paoli on December 09, 2010, 04:59:14 PM
I have to assume that they know the area and that they know there were no stuctures over the hill, but you can't be sure there wasn't a person on the other side. I don't know, I wasn't there. Maybe they did know.
IIRC it was said that they were north of the arctic circle, if so not much other than miles and miles of miles and miles. An area about the size of the state of California with maybe 30k people.
Google maps..... look ~ 150 miles north of Fairbanks.
nearest neighbor is over 100 miles away. If there was someone over the ridge they were lost. ;D
When I went to Prudhoe Bay and surrounding area I couldn't believe the vastness of the place. Went in winter and summer both times seeing a Polar Bear......scary as hell.
I've never encountered a Caribou but I get the impression that the hardest part of shooting one is carrying the gun
Quote from: mitt on December 09, 2010, 12:55:54 PM
(any politics and this thread will be locked)
mitt
was this part of her reality TV show?
the show in question had nothing to do with politics, i swear.
she is a tool...
Quote from: herm on December 09, 2010, 11:14:36 PM
was this part of her reality TV show?
the show in question had nothing to do with politics, i swear.
she is a tool...
She is a tool but she owns her "tooliness". It would be great if more people did.......
I didn't see the rest of the show. I assume that her father was incorrect in saying that it was dead on.
If this little scene was designed to appeal to the far right gun wacko's like myself, it didn't work.
i'm amazed this has not gone political yet...must be everyones jolly holiday spirits [beer]
bites tongue and backs slowly from the room
Quote from: herm on December 11, 2010, 10:45:35 AM
i'm amazed this has not gone political yet...must be everyones jolly holiday spirits [beer]
bites tongue and backs slowly from the room
I tried with the Russia thing but no bites.
bites tongue and backs slowly from the room
^^^^^^^^^
Stop him! Don't let him get away!
Quote from: mitt on December 09, 2010, 12:55:54 PM
What is the saying- something like "know your backdrop"? ???
Like the the others said, it's Alaska. You could dump a thousand rounds in all directions and hit nothing but dirt.
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on December 11, 2010, 06:34:29 PM
Like the the others said, it's Alaska. You could dump a thousand rounds in all directions and hit nothing but dirt.
I understand that, but showing it on a national TV show is bad form. It is text book wrong. So is taking 6 shots to kill your prey and using a borrowed gun.
mitt
And herm too. Get them both before they get out of the room! Or at least ban them to the Dungeon thread for a couple of hours.
What was that huge thing with the ugly front she was shooting at?
Was that a triple 9?
Quote from: mitt on December 11, 2010, 07:32:50 PM
I understand that, but showing it on a national TV show is bad form.
mitt
And Mutual of Omaha specials along with National Geographic showing lions and crocs slaughtering prey is ok as opposed to this? I watched the whole episode and it was very tame IMO.
Sometimes people miss, sometimes people borrow rifles, sometimes people get buck fever......what do you want? At least they were clean misses before the shot that did the job.
Clean miss?
Quote from: muskrat on December 12, 2010, 12:43:04 AM
And Mutual of Omaha specials along with National Geographic showing lions and crocs slaughtering prey is ok as opposed to this? I watched the whole episode and it was very tame IMO.
I am not opposed to showing killing animals on TV - that isn't my message. It is my message you should be able to kill what you are shooting at on the first or second shot and use proper hunting technique if you are going to show it to the masses.
I take it a lot of people on here haven't ever taken a hunting class?
mitt
If they were trying to demonstrate any level of competence at hunting or with firearms, they failed miserably.
Didn't look like she'd fired much before. . .
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 12, 2010, 07:12:17 AM
Clean miss?
The perfect shot doesn't just hit the animal, it hits a spot that results in instant death. That way the animal does not suffer.
A shot that hits but does not instantly kill but instead causes the animal to run off wounded and suffering, is a miss.
Compare to a slaughter house, their "stun guns" are not 100%, and as dumb as cows are they can sense that good things are not happening.
Quote from: sno_duc on December 12, 2010, 07:38:47 AM
The perfect shot doesn't just hit the animal, it hits a spot that results in instant death. That way the animal does not suffer.
A shot that hits but does not instantly kill but instead causes the animal to run off wounded and suffering, is a miss.
Compare to a slaughter house, their "stun guns" are not 100%, and as dumb as cows are they can sense that good things are not happening.
But when you are "clean" missing, you have shown the ability to not have perfect shot, so you are more likely to have a wounding shot, like blowing the animals jaw off or an ass shot.
That is why I don't think there is any such thing as a clean miss.
mitt
The first deer I shot, I hit it just above the leg or in the upper part of the leg (not into the chest cavity) It had tried to circle around and behind our group but I had gotten slowed down in a cedar thicket so it ran into me. The shot was only 150' away and the scope was useless, In my inexperience I tried to use it anyway and I had a bit of Buck fever. I must have been about 14 then.
So the deer ran down the hill just about a mile away, we followed the blood trail to some brush it had layed down in. My Uncle killed it (He got there first) That is kind of not the way to do it....
What I found amazing though was that Sarah needed help working the Bolt. I think you should be completely familliar with the rifle before you ever go out hunting for something.
Quote from: D Paoli on December 12, 2010, 08:13:48 AM
What I found amazing though was that Sarah needed help working the Bolt. I think you should be completely familliar with the rifle before you ever go out hunting for something.
That's what I found odd. Even if she'd never shot before...working the bolt isn't exactly rocket science to figure out.
Unless her dad was an overbearing ass. I think that after 2 shots, they should have traded guns. At that point it should be obvious that the sight is off.
Quote from: Triple J on December 12, 2010, 08:24:48 AM
That's what I found odd. Even if she'd never shot before...working the bolt isn't exactly rocket science to figure out.
Her gun must be a semi auto.
Quote from: Triple J on December 12, 2010, 08:24:48 AM
That's what I found odd. Even if she'd never shot before...working the bolt isn't exactly rocket science to figure out.
I think if you want to be President it should be a mandatory requirement that you know how to work a bolt action rifle. Just saying. [laugh]
Quote from: mitt on December 12, 2010, 07:22:52 AM
I am not opposed to showing killing animals on TV - that isn't my message. It is my message you should be able to kill what you are shooting at on the first or second shot and use proper hunting technique if you are going to show it to the masses.
I take it a lot of people on here haven't ever taken a hunting class?
mitt
Shit happens. Variables come in to play. Sometimes bolts arent as smooth as they could be. It sucks that not every shot is an on/off switch. Even seasoned hunters with decades of experience miss. People that take motorcycle classes make mistakes. Thats how we learn.
I think its cool that she was out there, Im sure contrary to what her "press secretary" recommended.
Couldnt agree more that a Presidential candidate should know how to work a bolt.......and run a company for that matter....and never, ever give an interview in front of a turkey slaughterhouse....
Sarah Palin pardons a Thanksgiving turkey as others die around her. The Political Pop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJd_vm9VhpU#normal)
Its just like watching people on motorcycles. People that are smooth and comfortable with their bikes opposed to a newer rider that is not comfortable or competent. Its obvious that these people are trying to portray themselves as experienced shooters and hunters and just as obvious from this performance that they are neither.
I remember seeing that interview! I'd forgotten about it. That's a classic! [thumbsup]
Quote from: mitt on December 12, 2010, 07:22:52 AM
I am not opposed to showing killing animals on TV - that isn't my message. It is my message you should be able to kill what you are shooting at on the first or second shot and use proper hunting technique if you are going to show it to the masses.
I take it a lot of people on here haven't ever taken a hunting class?
mitt
ok a miss read then. There have been many times I've missed those quail and ducks though :P
I don't have the patience to wait for deer or any animal of the sort.
After watching it twice I noticed that she got the Caribou on the first shot with the other rifle (unless they edited out some misses). The first one she kept shooting high, so something must have been up with the first rifle.
Even fear mongering, SEAL impersonaters can have bolt action issues.....check out 1:25.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=qSWSgcuYqDo (http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=qSWSgcuYqDo)
Quote from: rgramjet on December 12, 2010, 05:43:30 PM
Even SEALs can have bolt action issues.....check out 1:25.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=qSWSgcuYqDo (http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=qSWSgcuYqDo)
However she couldnt kill the caribou with a spoon, throw from underwater, with a blindfold on, backwards
remotely comparing palin to a seal seems to do the seals a serious disservice
Quote from: rgramjet on December 12, 2010, 05:43:30 PM
Even SEALs can have bolt action issues.....check out 1:25.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=qSWSgcuYqDo (http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=qSWSgcuYqDo)
The link doesn't go to any seal videos.
Me neither. WTF? No Navy Seals on that link. [roll]
so I watched tonight's show. Let me just say that John, ex-husband, of Kate from Kate plus 8 is a lucky guy to have gotten rid of that woman. I don't watch the new show but can say I've never seen a woman pregnant dog so much.
My wife made me watch an episode to see what it was like
We watched Sarah and the teen mom daughter go fishing on a commercial fishing boat. I laughed so hard when they were gutting the fish (halibut, I think) and the guy pulled the heart out. What comes out of Sarah's mouth? "I wonder how their heart works?"
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I'm sorry, but to be president...I think you also need to know how a freakin heart works [roll]
(and how to work a bolt action gun [laugh])
Quote from: Le Pirate on December 13, 2010, 12:23:40 PM
We watched Sarah and the teen mom daughter go fishing on a commercial fishing boat. I laughed so hard when they were gutting the fish (halibut, I think) and the guy pulled the heart out. What comes out of Sarah's mouth? "I wonder how their heart works?"
I believe she was asking after the guy said that the heart would beat for a few minutes after it was removed.
Much to their credit, it's obvious that they are not doing a lot of "creative" editing.
What is filmed is what we see, warts and all.
I find the honesty refreshing. Can you image if Al Gore did a simular program. [laugh] (100 + hours of film edited down to 42 minutes, kinda of like 'Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom")
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 12, 2010, 07:01:06 PM
Me neither. WTF? No Navy Seals on that link. [roll]
You are correct Sir. I have since corrected my pre link statement. Who would do that??
Quote from: Le Pirate on December 13, 2010, 12:23:40 PM
My wife made me watch an episode to see what it was like
We watched Sarah and the teen mom daughter go fishing on a commercial fishing boat. I laughed so hard when they were gutting the fish (halibut, I think) and the guy pulled the heart out. What comes out of Sarah's mouth? "I wonder how their heart works?"
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I'm sorry, but to be president...I think you also need to know how a freakin heart works [roll]
(and how to work a bolt action gun [laugh])
hey! no politics.
her show is about connecting with other like minded morons :P
Quote from: rgramjet on December 13, 2010, 02:24:41 PM
You are correct Sir. I have since corrected my pre link statement. Who would do that??
Jesse was in the UDT's, the precursor to the Squeals.
Quote from: herm on December 13, 2010, 06:19:18 PM
hey! no politics.
her show is about connecting with other like minded morons :P
I think this thread is going down hill, IBTL. Just because she's a political figure, it does not mean that everything she does should be taken in the political context. I would say that more than 60% of "reality" shows out there have much more moronic personalities at the helm.
Quote from: Turf on December 12, 2010, 05:59:17 PM
remotely comparing palin to a seal seems to do the seals a serious disservice
No doubt, most amphibious, flipperized mammals
are probably more intelligent.
Nobody crossed the politics line, but I figured the thread had run its course and am locking it before someone does stick foot in mouth.
mitt