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http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_1103_2011_ducati_diavel_first_ride_world_exclusive/index.html (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_1103_2011_ducati_diavel_first_ride_world_exclusive/index.html)

Sounds like they really liked it. I'll wait for the other mags to chime in. [thumbsup]

It's going to be hard to justify why I need 2 bikes.     ;D

Why do you need to justify... ???

Just do it... [moto] [moto]

 [coffee]

3k for "carbon"?  I wonder what you get for that.

haha, lots of cf i think...

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=44321.msg834632#msg834632 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=44321.msg834632#msg834632)

derby!

diff article, this one is the first ride of it.. that one is just a preview

my bad...I stand corrected....

(http://image.motorcyclistonline.com/f/firstrides/122_1103_2011_ducati_diavel_first_ride_world_exclusive/31949035+pheader_460x1000/122_1103_01_o+2011_ducati_diavel+.jpg)

Excuse me ....$2k.

Carbon Fiber trim pieces .

Dolph     :)

I hope they come out with a black with the red trelli. Love the CF but it's too much $$$.

Why do you need to justify... ???

Just do it... [moto] [moto]

 [coffee]
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  [evil] [thumbsup]

I must have misread the specs the first time

Diavel Dry: 495
Diavel Carbon: 488

Plausible weight savings via carbon fiber, but 7 pounds isn't worth $3,000.

It's 2 or 3 $K of mods already done for people who might not mod otherwise. Then there's the rest of us who would spend that difference anyway but just on different stuff. Maybe.

This bike is interesting and has a huge potential for Ducati. The writer is pretty glowing but then the folks over at Motorcyclist are Ducati whores anyway.  ;D  I say that with love & respect because I'm one also.   [moto]

I too am interested in rider reviews on this model. I don't plan on trying one as I have no desire to buy one. This model does not speak to me aesthetically, but I'm curious about performance.

The article was going great until it took a hard left turn inti Fluff-piece-ville and delegitimized itself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a fan of the Diavel, but to say that it has the best fit and finish of any bike out there is ridiculous. Have they not seen the HP2? Or the Tesi? 

i see that's it's ok to mention the fit and finish... them mentioning that lack of plastic and how almost everything is metal/premium materials actually made me like the bike more.  it made me understand what kind of market segment they are looking to hit... before i saw the diavel as ducati trying to just mimic cruisers... but now i see it more like them trying to be the mb s class or bmw 7 series of bikes... large luxury sport sedan.  name brand, big, comfy, fast, can handle, but more for just getting around at a sedate pace.

i can def see myself getting one of these in the future one day... maybe not for 10ish years, but once i get old enough to want a cruiser all the time, i can see this as my top choice

The HP2 Sport is superb!  [thumbsup]

I'm impressed. Always have liked this bike.
 
"There's no reason to doubt Ducati's claim that this is the quickest-accelerating bike they make."

When I read this fact a few weeks back I was thoroughly impressed.

Seems like a blast to get on and tear up, but in a different style than I'm accustomed to.

I plan on getting a test ride this spring. Looking forward to other reviews.

Yes, it is. The quality and attention to detail on that bike is mindblowing.

I don't doubt that the Diavel is a well put together bike, but looking at all the products ducati has ever made, to claim a fit and finish above anything else in the market is laughable.

i don't think it's for me, but i really like it.

this could be a big seller for ducati... i can see the younger guys really liking the styling,

 [clap] [clap]

The dealer here has a new one for $20K. Good deal considering the original price, and it needs nothing. Everything you could want seems to come stock.

could it be they gave him a bike without the plastic shit all over it like the one I sat on at the cycle show?

I think that is quite an apt analogy.

... and just as some people may think that the S-class or 7-series is an exercise in over-indulgence (particularly considering the ways in which they are typically used) ... the Diavel (or so it seems) also has its detractors [laugh]

I will be trading my Monster 1100 in on one of these in the next few years. My bet is that we will see air-cooled motors in this frame in a couple of years. I am the demographic that they are looking for. I am 47, 6 ft, a very experienced rider but find comfort lacking on most of the performance bikes that I find interesting to look at, and that I would want to lay down some cash for. As mentioned in the article this is the fastest accelerating Duc they build, corners amazingly well, and when I sat on it I found it quite comfortable. I have a custom Victory Vegas cruiser and those that have rode them will agree that it is a good, strong motor, and a reasonable chassis/brake set-up. But it is also close to 700 lbs, and ground clearance prevents the chassis from reaching it's potential. I think Ducati is once again setting the bar in a new and exciting motorcycle that defines a category, not just blends in with it. I am sure that Ducati will never abandon their racing/sportbike heritage, it is just good business to look for open holes in the market and fill them first. I say well done!

Some more praise on the bike

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/First-rides--tests/2011/February/feb0711-ducati-diavel-first-ride-blown-away/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/First-rides--tests/2011/February/feb0711-ducati-diavel-first-ride-blown-away/)

It would be cheaper to buy a CF helmet (bling factor) and hire a personal trainer to get you to lose seven pounds.

Im scheduling a test ride as soon as it arrives on my local duc dealer.

+1

 [thumbsup]

Looks like the bike is living up to the hype.

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/first-ride-ducati-diavel-carbon-review/17000.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/first-ride-ducati-diavel-carbon-review/17000.html)

Gasp.....I'm going to wait on the MTS1200 purchase until I ride one of these.  One more month, it will be available here.....

Sounds like a lot of people should be eating their words right about now.

I was thinking the same thing.

Some people are really quick to judge a new bike, positive or negative as their judgment may be, even without having ridden it or without having read a review from someone who did test ride it.

The two reviews mentioned in this thread describe the diavel experience pretty positively, so I believe the bike to be at least to some extent exactly like how the two reviewers described it to be in terms of handling and performance, and my desire to test ride it has only gotten stronger.

Personally, I think this is going to be a good selling Duc.

Well done Ducati  [clap]

Oh and thank you GLantern and iRam for posting those articles  [beer]

should be, but likely won't.


When people make very strong, judgemental decisions they often have to live into them regardless of how much evidence to the contrary is presented.

I have a feeling that many of the people who went over-the-top in their contempt for the Diavel could have a great, day long ride on the thing and still stick to their opinion that it's garbage.





I'm still not a huge fan of the look of the Diavel, but it's growing on me. I have a feeling a ride on it would change many of my preconceived perceptions of the bike.

My pleasure.  [beer]  [drink]

Np glad to add to it I personally I don't like the styling but the fact that it rides like it does according to the reviews makes me appreciate it "redefining" the power cruiser class.  I'd take a MTS1200 instead but it 's all personal preference and I know a couple people who would love a Diavel.

I do have a couple things looks-wise that I'm not 100% excited about, BUT I'm holding out until A) I see it in person, and B) if I manage to get a demo ride in on one. 

JM

I do think it's plenty ugly, but who knows, it may grow on me like the 999 has.  Got the articles queued up for reading right now.

I'm intrigued by that rear suspension, does anyone have any info on how it works?

I saw it in person at IMS in NY and the bike is huge and the styling can grow on you.  It is amazing to think that thing handles like they say it does.

Heres cycleworld's take on it.

http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_roadtest/first_rides_articles/11q1/2011_ducati_diavel_-_first_ride (http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_roadtest/first_rides_articles/11q1/2011_ducati_diavel_-_first_ride)

looks like the journo's had a lot of fun last weekend.

But... thats what makes ducati ducati... stupid-loud mechanical clanking.

the more and more of the reviews i read, the more and more i appreciate what ducati has done here...  it's a great example of blue ocean strategy imo... a truly modern cruiser with little to no ties to the past.

and what i'm wondering is how the aprilia competitor is going to look like... because i'm already sure they have their engineers burning the midnight oil and they already have a pretty solid lineup of engines to put in there... and even more sexy, how a mv agusta competitor will look.  brutale 1600 anyone?  haha

no matter what the bike handles like. it's UGLY.

A competitor from arilia would really be interesting. Like youve said they already have a very good engine lineup that they can transplant to a sport cruiser. Add to that the electronics that they have on their other bikes. It could be expected in the next year or two. A competitor from MV however might take a long time before it sees the light of day.

yeah, my thoughts exactly... the mv agusta bike is more of a pipe dream, but i refuse to believe that if they made one it wouldnt be anything less than stunning.  that and the mirrors would probably fall out of their housings within the first 10 miles, but damn they would look good doing it.  haha

The bike doesnt look so bad from this angle...now they just need to touch up the remaining 359 degrees and we'll be good...

compared to what?



other ducati's................ sure, I'll agree with that.


other power cruisers (ie. V-max, V-rod, mean streak, ect.)

cause if it's the latter than the Diavel's an f*#@ing beauty queen

not sure if THIS review was posted yet, but here is another one...

http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/ducati-diavel-0 (http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/ducati-diavel-0)

ash normally has pretty solid reviews... and he's all but humping the diavel in that one...  haha

Looks better than the new monster...

 [thumbsup] [clap] [clap] [clap] :D

+1

It absolutely does

 [coffee]

it's starting to grow on me a bit and I bet it will be fun but I can't get over the $3k you need to spend to clean up that awful exhaust and the plastic shrouds around the tank and air box.  If they would have refined these three things I'd say they have an instant hit but dam, at $20k I expected more - maybe I'm just dreaming.

I agree I really wish Ducati would just have every bike come stock with Termis.....I know they make a ton on the aftermarket but damn it would be nice.  Especially considering the MSRP of an actual stock exhaust the price can't be that much different.

anybody noticed that the shock is actually below the swingarm?  I've never seen shocks in this configuration.  Comments or insights?

My Roadstar had the same shock setup.

stop taking the drugs, they're hurting your judgement

There is no plastic, its aluminium.

i think the reason they cant is because of emissions/noise... i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that's also the reason that the monster is geared a bit tall.

here it is:

"Crazy tall gearing is also a nominal but notable drawback for the transmission. An enterprising and creative 796 owner could fiddle with different countershaft or rear sprocket changes to help the bike accelerate more briskly up top, and overcome the tall gearing that’s likely a result of ever-stricter emissions regulations."

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/ducati/2011-ducati-monster-796-review-89950.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/ducati/2011-ducati-monster-796-review-89950.html)

and

"The fuel-injected engine (a Siemens electronic fuel injection system, to be precise) together with the tall gearing ensures the Monster 696 meets Euro 3 regulations."

http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/ducati/2010-ducati-monster-696-ar75590.html (http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/ducati/2010-ducati-monster-696-ar75590.html)


pretty sure that the cf cans dont have catalytic converters on them which is why they cant put them out with termi's on.  i think the ti ones do... but that would raise the price a whole lot.  and i'm guessing the dp ecu would kill emissions too

^^^ - Agreed

two pieces, at least on the one I sat on at the cycle show.  aluminum or not it felt cheap to me but since I'm not buying one I can criticize.  :P

you might just be right about that.


But then I'm biased, I have both an 00 and 01 monster 900ie  [cheeky]

I'll say this, the Diavel and the new Multi are both making the old Multi look a lot better to me.  ;)

no way, the new Multi is now my dream bike.  the older I get the more creature comforts I want.

Here's a video from MCN

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/videos/2011/February/feb1011-video-ducati-diavel-first-ride/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/videos/2011/February/feb1011-video-ducati-diavel-first-ride/)

Ok now it is growing on me a bit...

PS this video makes me crave spring even more....this snow is killing me in NY

I'm still not a big fan of the looks, although adding the touring screen and shortie exhaust does wonders, but I really want to ride it now. The reviews have been too positive not to.

+1
so tired of the cold weather as well.

new multi is my dream bike too

hopefully they have one at the bike show this weekend, really looking forward to seeing one in person.

you know you want to ride it!  come on, you had a griso didn't you!  I'm off to go play on them at months end..  I'll report back when I get home..  this bike will be a sales success without a doubt!

I'll come down as soon as you have a demo and it's a nice day.  [thumbsup] Your demo will of course be a Carbon model, right?  ;D

Black carbon baby!  [thumbsup]

sure seems like a great bike to take around the country. I wonder if they're looking to test that out? ::raises hand and flails wildly::

I can't say its the prettiest bike I've ever seen so far, but I do like it. I just hope it doesn't become the official "DBag Duc," which I feel it has a lot of potential to be, especially given the medias recent love affair with sticking Ducs everywhere they can on a screen.

why not like other bikes they have relesed that come with exhaust and ecu in the santas box ???

Tell them to make a touring version with hard bags and some kind of backrest or box with a backrest for the passenger and I'll think about it. And maybe add a place to put a stereo and at least 2 cupholders. Oh, and forward footrests for cruising.
and since it's so fast, a radar detector, a taller windscreen so i can wear a open face helmet

J/K, well except for the hard bags and backrest/box

I want a sport touring bike

I want one!  I really want to make this my next bike.  Can't wait to get a test ride when I get back home.

"comfy monster on steroids"

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2011/02/10/motorcycle-news/2011-ducati-diavel-carbon-world-launch-first-impressions/ (http://blog.motorcycle.com/2011/02/10/motorcycle-news/2011-ducati-diavel-carbon-world-launch-first-impressions/)

I think it's ugly
I want one [evil] [evil]

Didn't see this posted yet:  http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZV-3PVnEOkQ (http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZV-3PVnEOkQ)

saw it finally at the bike show, posted some pics in a thread. i want one, pics dont do it justice.

thanks for the link  [thumbsup]
looks like it does take corners well.

Didn't see these posted (may have missed them):

http://gpone.com/index.php/en/news/35-in-evidenza/2866-linferno-ducati-ha-un-gran-diavel-.html (http://gpone.com/index.php/en/news/35-in-evidenza/2866-linferno-ducati-ha-un-gran-diavel-.html)

Ducati Diavel first ride (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cfuv63Y0ec&feature=player_embedded#normal)

Ducati Diavel: test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV-3PVnEOkQ&feature=player_embedded#normal)

(Okay the second video is linked a few posts up, but this way it's embedded for your viewing pleasure here  [thumbsup])

Found a collection of reviews on one page :)

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2011/02/ducati-diavel-launch-coverage/ (http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2011/02/ducati-diavel-launch-coverage/)

Enjoy  [beer]

Does anyone know how the "Side license plate holder kit" (969A10310B) will be mounted to open the view of the rear tire?

Sorry bout threadjacking.  I didn't want to start a whole new thread just for this question.

I'm having a hard time imagining how it will fit, and I couldn't find any picture  :(

Any example pics welcome, even of other bikes...

Only picture I could find:

(http://www.store.commoto.com/images/969A10310B.gif)

Not sure but looks like it mounts under the seat.

Personally I prefer the stock location just behind the tire:

(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/110210middle2.jpg)

There is another aftermarket option to mount it over the rear sprocket.  It's been done on Monsters too.  Do a search for side mount license plate to find it.

[EDIT]

Couldn't find the thread I was talking about but here's a bunch of those side mounted ones I referred to.  http://www.motosport.com/motorcycle/search/?textsearch=license+plate (http://www.motosport.com/motorcycle/search/?textsearch=license+plate)  You'll notice they look nothing like the one above for the Diavel.

[/EDIT]

helping the threadjack along for a sec...

does that license plate placement stop the swampass you get from a tailchop?  and if so, are there any out for the new monsters?  i was looking for something like that for a while but never came up with anything

Love that smokin' tire slide in the Motociclismo video!

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/103/9194/Motorcycle-Article/2011-Ducati-Diavel-First-Ride.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/103/9194/Motorcycle-Article/2011-Ducati-Diavel-First-Ride.aspx)

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/ducati/2011-ducati-diavel-review-90421.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/ducati/2011-ducati-diavel-review-90421.html)

its so ugly.

i thought so too until i saw it in person

the more reviews i'm readig on this bike the more i'm thinking we may be wrong about this bike.

if it really does what the reviews say, which is its a cruiser that you can almost use like a sportbike/monster for everyday but still have the cruiser aspect when you want, then this bike might be huge for ducati.

because let's be honest most people that buy sportbikes never use them to even 1/2 of their capabilities and if this bike is only as good as 1/2 a sport bike as far as lean angle and such then it should be fine for most people if they are honest.

but the looks well that is personal, but i'm curious to see how many new non ducati folks this bike is able to pull in from just the performance side.

from what I've been able to discern from photos. the stock stops the swamp ass, the aftermarket side one mounts low to the left off the swingarm and does not stop swamp ass.

So far, besides looks the only real issue I see is where do you put the luggage and groceries?

When do they go on sale?  Any in dealers yet?

I heard delivery is late March early April.  Of course, that all depends on the vacation schedule they have and the catch-up they have to play to fulfill orders made during December which they take off.  ;D

Got this email from Ducati this morning:

Save the date: Diavel Night is coming on March 25, 2011

Diavel Night is upon us. This long awaited and much anticipated event is your chance to get up close and personal with the newest member of the Ducati family: the Ducati Diavel.

You are invited to join in the excitement as participating Ducati dealers across the nation introduce the most groundbreaking motorcycle of the year.  Join fellow Ducatisti in what is sure to be a memorable event as we welcome the all-new Ducati Diavel to US soil.

Stay tuned to ducatiusa.com  and your local dealer’s website for details.

See you there!
The Ducati Team

Frasers Sydney will have 2 bikes in the showroom tomorrow weds 23/2/2010

For those curious about how the side mount looks and mounting location, it's available on Ducati's configurator on their web site.  Not the best angle to see it, but still...

The Diavel has really grown on me, especially after seeing this Husqvarna concept.   [puke]

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/husqvarna-mille-3-concept/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/husqvarna-mille-3-concept/)

I'm gonna head down on the 25th/26th and ride the thing.

It might satisfy 2 bikes with one.  Being honest, I'm not a long distance touring guy, nor do I really have the time to go on week long rides.   I've always wanted a chopper/bobber/fat tire something, but don't want to pay 40K for a harley based thing that doesn't handle worth a crap.

This thing might be the comfy drive it everyday while still handling well and getting that "look".  I hope I fit on it!

Ducati recently announced that they were doubling the daily production of the Daivel w, the response so far at all the apperances and requests by Dealers.

Dolph        [moto]

Looks like something you'd build out of legos....

So I stopped by Duc Sea to pick up a part for my 748, and they had their demo ready to go. Unplanned test ride!  ;D Thanks to Dave R for lending me a jacket, gloves, & helmet...and convincing me to take it out.  [thumbsup]

While I wasn't a fan of the concept at the begining, I have to admit that Ducati has done a very nice job. I actually really liked the bike.  [thumbsup]

It looks better in person than in pics, and the production models look a lot nicer than the ones which were displayed at the IMS shows. There are a lot of nice styling touches, and fit and finish were excellent. Dave had installed the "sport" screen which helped a lot with the looks, as it made the extreme slope of the front end less noticeable. I still don't think it's the best looking bike Ducati ever made, but I do like it now.

It definitely isn't a cruiser. The brakes were awesome. The motor was great. Good power in Urban mode (100 hp), and superb power in Sport and Touring modes (162 hp per the display). [evil] Fueling was nice…at least as much as I could tell on my short ride. The 240 rear tire isn’t noticeable, as the bike tipped in well and held a line easily. In short it handled and rode very nicely. Slow speed handling was very good as well. The stock exhaust even sounded very good…I’m not sure how they got the cans past the EPA sound police!

Seating position was comfortable, especially the seat itself. The reach to the bars felt natural. I’m 5’-9” and could flat foot it, so a good bike for the vertically challenged. The pegs are a tad more forward than I’m used to, but they weren’t too far. My only complaint was that my heel hit the exhaust header shield, making riding on the balls of my feet difficult. Sliding the foot forward a little solved the problem, and honestly didn’t feel bad given the peg location. I also had on work boots, which have wider soles than my riding boots, probably making the interference worse than normal.

If I was in the market for a new Ducati this would probably be the one, despite my first assumptions about the bike. I really liked it.  [thumbsup]

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Dolph

Is that yours, a test ride rig, or just pics? If you rode it...impressions?

An acquaintance of mine just got it 2 days ago.

It's his 1st Ducati.

He has a BMW Adventure 1200 and another dirt bike.

He really likes it so far.

Dolph       [moto]

I hate to say this but having heard the Termi's tonight on one there's no option but to drop the 3 grand.

Full Termi System is.....3,000$ for the Diavel ?

Does that include installation ?

Dolph     [moto]

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Dolph    :)

Well Dolph are you going to pull the trigger... ??? ???

It certainly is a carrot...  ;) ;)

Unpacked two last friday... [thumbsup] they never even made it to the show room... :o

PDIed and straight on the road... [moto]

 [coffee]

Hi Geoff,

 I don't know , I've had Acute Bronchits going on 3 weeks and feel like I'm on death's door.

The weather isn't any good even if I do pull through.

Nothing out of the 40s farenhiet here or when it does get to 50 it 's rain , rain , rain.

I talked to my Sales guy by email , he said the one Diavel that came in for the showing this past Friday was already sold and wouldn't be around for long.

So it doesn't sound like he will have a Demo anytime soon.

Right now I'd say I'm 60/40 for getting one.

I'd really like to ride one before I buy it . ...or may be just bite the bullet and call the Dealer and tell them to deliver one to my place.

The tough part is do I part w, the GT or have 4 bikes ...been there before and that's not a good situation.

One bike at least get's left alone....and even harder w. the bikes I have now.

Dolph     [moto]

Any reason you would part with the GT over one of the superbikes?  I personally would prefer every bike to be different and up to a different task.  The S1000 and the 1098R are similar bikes albeit different motors and feel.  Unless you have one as track only?

$3290 and no installation.  Another Termi rip-off but it makes the bike look a thousand times better.  Here's to hoping other manufacturers jump in and lower that ridiculous price.  It doesn't even change the route of the exhaust.  The full system is much nicer looking than the slip-ons.
Ducati Diavel with Termignoni Full System (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpZdkqZzVw4#normal)

I am a Termi fanboy,  Love how they allow you to see the SSS over the stock bits.  Cheers to them on a job well done  [beer]

this is exactly who ducati is going to rope in with this bike.  so in a way ducati was somewhat ahead of the curve by making the gamble on this bike.

GLantern,

I just got the S 1000 RR last year and it is one hell of a fun bike to ride fast . Handles great. Not afraid to throw it into any corner at just about any speed.

The 1098 R , I doubt I will ever let that one go. It's an Icon. A Torque Monster.

The GT is a great bike in it's own right. No faults and almost as much fun as the 2 Sportbikes.

If I could only have 3 including a Diavel , the GT would draw the short straw only because I like speed and handling and w. 2 Sportbikes I can put 1/2 as many miles on each.

The Diavel from what I've read and heard  gets me excited in a different way than my Sportbikes do.

More comfortable, lots of low end Torque  ( not that I don't already have that  ) higher Bars, Muscular look, lower Seat, those Termis are beautiful IMHO , and more forward pegs. .

Dolph     [moto]

WOW...and to think , I can buy a full TI single pipe system from Akrapovic for my S 1000 RR for $1399. :o

Dolph       :)

makes you wonder doesn't it.

jsut saw it today at trebour's when i brought my bike in for service... really does look a lot better in person, and a lot smaller than in pics.  front end is pretty big, but it's not massive like it looks in pictures.

if you asked me which i would get, a mts1200 or this... i dunno which i would answer anymore.  both are pretty hot.

Everything that is made in Italy is expensive....but it's usually good stuff .

Couture Fashion,  Leather goods , Exotic Cars, Motorcycles, ....etc  !

Dolph     :)

MTS is more ... multi... has touring bags, can go semi-offroad.. has better wind protection... better passenger accomodations...

if i had 20k... if... i would go MTS

No doubt the MTS is a very good bike .

The Diavel is a different Animal.

Dolph      [moto]

Well, if they Diavel had the option (maybe next year) for hard side bags and a better passenger seat (DP maybe) then I could see it being a viable touring bike option.

But until ducati replaces the ST, the MTS is the best option for those wanting Italian touring

price Termi's for a Yamaha and see the difference even on slip-ons.  The resin sucks IMO and the welds are not nearly the quality of Zard and Akra.  To each their own but it does help the bike look better by a long shot.  I'd still buy the Multi for now.  ;D

There is a fairly large threaded hole in the frame on each side near the passenger area, as well as 4 cloth straps under the seat, that no one knows the purpose (at least Dave R didn't). I gotta think they're for some sort of luggage or other accessories. I'd be very surprised if bags aren't available soon.

Agreed the MTS is still the best Ducati touring rig. Medium sized bags (hard, or soft with liners) on the Diavel would make it good for one-up touring though. I don't think it needs to be a hard core touring machine...just good enough for a solo 5-7 day trip, which it easily would be.

I checked the accessory listings and there are soft bags available now.

Dolph     :)

Rode it an hour ago. Holy crap! Fun. Comfortable. Surprisingly fast. Handles the curves fine. Great bike to cruise PCH. I'm sure Ducati will sell a crap load of them.

I'm waiting for the local dealer to put enough miles on it so that I can take it out for a ride. I already sat on it and it felt very comfortable.

You don't want to just RIDE it ?

You want to FLOG it ?

Dolph     [moto]

??...that's what demo's are for. For end users to demo, not for the dealer to ride it. The one I rode had 190 miles on it. I put about 15 on it and saw the other side of 130.  [moto]

When I saw it at the unveiling, I was astounded by how long it felt when I sat on it. That 5.5 gallon fuel tank is massive. The first thought that I had was that it was like sitting in a '79 corvette and looking out over the unending front-end.

The other thing, I wonder how comfortable touring would be with such a long reach for those of us without long arms.   


[coffee]

This dealer is slightly more intelligent. They know exactly what people will do to the thing. The guys from the demo truck are always saying not to go over certain RPM yada yada. That's because the bike hasn't been broken in. This dealer takes a weekend of not so harsh riding to prep the bike. They will eventually sell it, so theywant to do it right. I'm sure they put the 500 miles over the weekend.

Yeah, all the other dealers are idiots.  [roll] First, there are two schools of thought on run-in. The baby it school stems from the early days of motor design and building. Not needed anymore. In fact, your motor on your brand new scoot (and car) has very likely already met red line prior to leaving the factory. Second, if your dealer was so intelligent and conservative the run in wouldn't be over at 500 miles, not nearly long enough for those from the break it in easy school of thought.

Yeah, but the assholes that buy it will ask if the engine was "properly" broken in before assholes got the chance to test ride it. Without having the need to lie, they break it in for a weekend and then everyone else is happy about being able to ride it at 130 mph in the street.

what's "breaking in" mean?   [laugh]
I've never done that shit.

Muskrat,

 Don't you ever read your Owner's manual ?

It explains all about breakin procedures.. ;D

Dolph     [moto]

it came with one?  hell if it's under warranty flog the pregnant dog.  [drink]

bunch of my I4 sportbike buddies demo'd one last weekend and the unanimous description was "torque monster."

Once you ride one you'll realize you can check 0 to 130 to 60 off the list in less then 2500 feet per my google earth measurement.

I'm sure I don't have the skillz.

It's all straight line stuff....you'd do fine.

muskrat,

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for riding fast if you got the skills at the Track or whatever.

If you take a brand new bike out even if it's under warranty and " flog it " and something breaks , you take it to the Dealer for warranty coverage to fix it ...the Dealer looks at the Tires for wear commensurate w. the mileage , the type of wear on the Tires , the Dealer can check the wear on the Clutch thickness against what it should be for the mileage during breakin.

In other words...the Dealer can say to you ...we are pretty sure this bike has been abused during the breakin period and not agree to fix it ...or fix it and then Ducati will examine the part and come back and demand payment for the part and labor as an abused part during breakin.

Just sayin'

Dolph     :)

That's    .473 of a mile.

Dolph      [moto]

I heard from a guy who claims to have owned 30 different bikes and ridden about 150 .

He just took a Diavel for an extended afternoon demo in the Roswell , Ga. area and he thinks this bike may be a " keeper. "

He has a Red Carbon on order and can't hardly wait for his to come in , especially since he's now Demoed the Diavel .

Dolph      :)

the first 100 miles I take it easy, or have when I bought new but after that it's all bullshit IMO. 

Now, back to the Diavel.  Did you know it's roughly 5 hours labor to install a full termi on this dam thing?   :o

Just curious, where did you hear that ?

Dolph

Geoff , Can you confirm that it takes 5 shop hours to install the full Tremi Exhaust on the Diavel ?

Dolph      :)

That's a bit much. I know you have to take off the bellypan, but 5 hrs worth of work?

from a dealer and I asked the question twice because I couldn't believe it when he said it.

I was at a dealer and we were looking at what would be needed to replace it. It was not an easy job, but we had estimated it at 3 hrs max.

I'm no mechanic but I remember his mumbling something about taking the top off or something to that effect.  I was simply stunned because between the cost of the exhaust and labor I could buy one hell of a Monster.  The Diavel is not for me anyway but let those who love it enjoy it.  I'll stick to my tour trunk, heated seat/grips, radio and all the luxuries a geezer glider provides.  [evil]

That's a real shame for Ducati to engineer a situation like Ferrari where you have to drop the engine on certain models just to do some routine service work.

I can see some Ducati shops taking more time to do it than others simply because some have newer Techs that are just plain slower because they don't yet have the experience ( trust me I've seen it 1st hand ).

Some of the smaller Dealerships may only have 1 Ducati Tech and they may be fairly new if the previous one left recently for some reason.

Some of the bigger , older Dealerships w. several Duc Techs who have been wrenching on Ducs for years probably could do it in less time.

I wonder what the book says the shop should be able to do it in what amount of time.

If the book says 3 hours , then that's what the customer should pay !

Not pay for on the job training.

Dolph

any shop that charges by time and not by the book is potentially ripping people off.
a shop is cool if it is charging less.
charging more than the book... bad business.

is there a way to confirm the "books" estimated times?

Just ask the Service Mgr. before you have work done what the " book " states for the time stated for installation and then get a written estimate.

Generally the Service writer will give you the estimate but I like to confirm it w. the Service Mgr.

Dolph     [moto]

doesn't matter to me as I'm not interested in the bike, just asked for everyone else who might be interested.  I've never seen the book, sort of like Al Capone's burial plot.

you'll find the same thing in an I've only seen the " Book " from upside down.

You'll find the same sort of rate " Book " at and Auto Dealer's Service shop.

A good Mechanic will make more money in a day if they can beat the " Book " and get more jobs done in a day.

Not all Mechanics work on that kind of pay program.

Some just get hourly wages.

They tend to be not as fast .

Dolph     

Either way..they look and sound great!!   Scottsdale had the Termi system on their Diavel at the premiere party.   [thumbsup]

Carl Fogarty bought a Diavel and said about the bike, it was... quote " make the beast with two backsing awesome."

Dolph      [moto]

So did the Ft. Lauderdale dealer. It sounded great, but once the normal Duc crowd cleared, the Harley crowd arrived. All they wanted to do was rev the engine. It was kinda sad after a while.

Personally, I don't care about book time.  At the risk of sounding like Pirsig, I'd rather have my mechanic invest the necessary time and care and have my job done right the first time.

Someone good will generally finish in less than book time, and get it done right the first time.  Someone very good will make sure that everything is right if he or she has any concerns.  If a job goes long, it's either because of a complication with the bike or a screw-up on the mechanic's part.  A good shop won't charge you for time wasted by the wrencher's mistake, and I have no problem paying the full rate for extra time spent sorting out my bike.

I mean, if it's an exhaust re&re and the studs break because they're corroded as hell due to the bike being old and my hatred for washing it, then why should they lose?  I know that's not going to happen when swapping Termis onto a new bike, I'm just giving it as a pretty common example.

no "book" has ever been presented to us in 12 years??   There are allowed times Ducati will pay for warranty and some suggestions time guidelines for service..  but that's about it. 
Our first two exh took all of 3 hours.. ECU is up under tank, servo cable is tough to get disconnected as well requiring more disassembly.

I should have quantified the 3 hours. I was discussing it with Sebastian of Melillimoto. For those that are not in the southeast, he is very experienced with Ducs. A less experienced mechanic might take longer.

Carbon...black....ordered.

 [thumbsup]

There's two at my local dealer!!

congrats :D

I stopped by my local dealer yesterday and saw the Diavel for the first time. Looks better in person. The owner said he got his initial shipment of 7 bikes in two weeks ago and that they are all sold already. He also said that 6 out of 7 bought the Termi pipes to go with it. He had one there with the Termis and they looked waaaaaay better that the stockers. Apparently the extra length is due entirely to the mandated catalytic converter.

He also told me something I must have missed in the literature: The Diavel is the fastest 0-80mph production motrcycle ever built. Ever. :o  The power is all in the mid range. It ill top out at 150mph. Not slow in the slightest but the same engine geared for a superbike style moto would be nearing 200. Its just a big torque monster with friendly ergos.

I can't wait to hear how she corners.

sac

Fixed.   ;D

I linked to a video a few pages back and another person embedded the same video.  The Diavel corners just fine.

Maybe it will satisy all you California Canyon Carvers.

It has very good clearance compared to other cruisers. It also holds its own in the twisties. Probably not as well as a Monster, but relatively close.

From the people that have posted that have already got theirs , they all say that the Diavel corners very good.

Nobody that has got one has any complaints yet.

Some people from Europe have had one for almost a month.

Dolph      [moto]

With the DTC and ABS it can probably be pushed harder then a Monster. I test rode it and found it to be more comfortable, refined, and obviously much more powerful. Not to mention, Ducati doesn't make Monster's anymore. They make something that looks kinda like a Monster but not quite.

I read a riding Impression from an Aussie who has 1000 kms. on his and in all areas of the bike , it is most compelling.

http://www.diavel-forum.com/index.php?/topic/307-the-diavel-after-1000-kms/ (http://www.diavel-forum.com/index.php?/topic/307-the-diavel-after-1000-kms/)

I still don't know whether to part w. one of my 3 bikes or keep the 3 and buy a Diavel and struggle w. 4 bikes.   

It's really a tough decision.     [bang]

Dolph      [moto]
 

Dolph that is not a tough decision... :-\

Just get it ordered... [thumbsup]

Hire a van... ???

Post me my airplane ticket... ;D

And I'll come and deliver it to your front door... 8)

Then we go  [moto] together... ;) ;)

 [coffee]

I'm sure many of us would love to have your problem  [bang]

Good to see you've decided to buy a Diavel either way  [thumbsup]

Ever by Ducati?  Or ever ever???

If the latter, it kinda conflicts with the video in this thread (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47977.0)...   :-\

 [thumbsup]

Clearance is good, but is it better then the "so-called" Monster?

dont forget that the m1100evo has dtc and abs now too

Hi Mate,

 I have a Red one on order ...it just hasn't showed up yet.

I have right of 1st refusual on it if I decide not to buy it .

3 bikes and one hardly gets ridden much now.

4 bikes and that 3rd bike will probably just be ridden a handful of times this season.

Now does that make any sense ?

If I got the Diavel , I'm sure I'd want to get it broken in and then rip and roar some .

Then try and decide, the S 1000 RR (w. the new 1 tooth less front Sprocket) , 1098 R, or Diavel ?  [bang]

Dolph   

Three bikes, four bikes... ???

A guy can never have to many bikes... ;) ;)

 [coffee]

Geoff,

 Tell me you ride all 4 of yours and one of them doesn't get left home most of the time ?   [moto]

Dolph      :)