Diavel first ride

[DoubleEagle]

Geoff , Can you confirm that it takes 5 shop hours to install the full Tremi Exhaust on the Diavel ?

Dolph     

[duccarlos]

That's a bit much. I know you have to take off the bellypan, but 5 hrs worth of work?

[muskrat]

Just curious, where did you hear that ?

Dolph

from a dealer and I asked the question twice because I couldn't believe it when he said it.

[duccarlos]

I was at a dealer and we were looking at what would be needed to replace it. It was not an easy job, but we had estimated it at 3 hrs max.

[muskrat]

I'm no mechanic but I remember his mumbling something about taking the top off or something to that effect.  I was simply stunned because between the cost of the exhaust and labor I could buy one hell of a Monster.  The Diavel is not for me anyway but let those who love it enjoy it.  I'll stick to my tour trunk, heated seat/grips, radio and all the luxuries a geezer glider provides. 

[DoubleEagle]

That's a real shame for Ducati to engineer a situation like Ferrari where you have to drop the engine on certain models just to do some routine service work.

I can see some Ducati shops taking more time to do it than others simply because some have newer Techs that are just plain slower because they don't yet have the experience ( trust me I've seen it 1st hand ).

Some of the smaller Dealerships may only have 1 Ducati Tech and they may be fairly new if the previous one left recently for some reason.

Some of the bigger , older Dealerships w. several Duc Techs who have been wrenching on Ducs for years probably could do it in less time.

I wonder what the book says the shop should be able to do it in what amount of time.

If the book says 3 hours , then that's what the customer should pay !

Not pay for on the job training.

Dolph

[Raux]

any shop that charges by time and not by the book is potentially ripping people off.
a shop is cool if it is charging less.
charging more than the book... bad business.

[muskrat]

is there a way to confirm the "books" estimated times?

[DoubleEagle]

is there a way to confirm the "books" estimated times?

Just ask the Service Mgr. before you have work done what the " book " states for the time stated for installation and then get a written estimate.

Generally the Service writer will give you the estimate but I like to confirm it w. the Service Mgr.

Dolph     [moto]

[muskrat]

doesn't matter to me as I'm not interested in the bike, just asked for everyone else who might be interested.  I've never seen the book, sort of like Al Capone's burial plot.

[DoubleEagle]

you'll find the same thing in an

doesn't matter to me as I'm not interested in the bike, just asked for everyone else who might be interested.  I've never seen the book, sort of like Al Capone's burial plot.

I've only seen the " Book " from upside down.

You'll find the same sort of rate " Book " at and Auto Dealer's Service shop.

A good Mechanic will make more money in a day if they can beat the " Book " and get more jobs done in a day.

Not all Mechanics work on that kind of pay program.

Some just get hourly wages.

They tend to be not as fast .

Dolph     

[IZ]

Geoff , Can you confirm that it takes 5 shop hours to install the full Tremi Exhaust on the Diavel ?

Dolph     

Either way..they look and sound great!!   Scottsdale had the Termi system on their Diavel at the premiere party.   

[DoubleEagle]

Carl Fogarty bought a Diavel and said about the bike, it was... quote " make the beast with two backsing awesome."

Dolph      [moto]

[duccarlos]

Either way..they look and sound great!!   Scottsdale had the Termi system on their Diavel at the premiere party.   

So did the Ft. Lauderdale dealer. It sounded great, but once the normal Duc crowd cleared, the Harley crowd arrived. All they wanted to do was rev the engine. It was kinda sad after a while.

[Syscrush]

Personally, I don't care about book time.  At the risk of sounding like Pirsig, I'd rather have my mechanic invest the necessary time and care and have my job done right the first time.

Someone good will generally finish in less than book time, and get it done right the first time.  Someone very good will make sure that everything is right if he or she has any concerns.  If a job goes long, it's either because of a complication with the bike or a screw-up on the mechanic's part.  A good shop won't charge you for time wasted by the wrencher's mistake, and I have no problem paying the full rate for extra time spent sorting out my bike.

I mean, if it's an exhaust re&re and the studs break because they're corroded as hell due to the bike being old and my hatred for washing it, then why should they lose?  I know that's not going to happen when swapping Termis onto a new bike, I'm just giving it as a pretty common example.