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Title: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: junior varsity on February 19, 2011, 10:04:58 AM
I could have sworn there was an existing thread on that, but I can't find it or my coffee today.

I'm walking out in the garage to take some long over-due pictures of various things. One such picture will be of my very well-worn rear sprocket, and I was going to kind of use it to show how two considerations should be made when choosing your sprockets:


1. Material - Aluminum wears like a mofo, steel is heavy

2. Odd # sprockets vs. Even # sprockets to reduce wear - As shown in the picture, the wear pattern on these sprockets is from a combination of even number tooth front sprocket AND even number tooth rear sprocket. (14/40).  Notice every other tooth is worn the heck off, and the others are fish hooked. I remember reading that  odd # front paired with odd # rear is supposed to be the best for wear, then odd/even or even/odd, and lastly the "even/even" combination.


[picture to be posted when i get back in from the garage]

Picture now posted:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/TWMaF6o5rfI/AAAAAAAAGAI/neA-fJT46HY/s800/IMG_0245.jpg)
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: stopintime on February 19, 2011, 02:18:34 PM
SuperSprox steel outer and aluminum inner [thumbsup]

I want to blame my 14/41 for the quick chain wear, but I think it's my riding [roll]
The Ducati steel sprockets have lasted two chains, or more...

Trying 15/44 next, but I'm not expecting much.
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: booger on February 19, 2011, 03:18:59 PM
I put on a 43T aluminum quickchange and have about 10k on it. It's an AFAM and the aluminum is just now peeking out from under the hard ano, but no fish-hooking yet. Bike's a low-HP Monster and I clean the chain & sprox religiously, and never ride in the rain. I do ride hard. It's a pretty good sprocket. I'll just get another one when it wears out.
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: jerryz on February 19, 2011, 09:06:49 PM
i have knackerd 2 Ducati steel sprockets in 17000 miles each one was 39 only lasted 7000 miles the 43 lasted 11,000 miles now fitted a Renthal Aluminium 43  much lighter so far 4000  miles no wear seen.
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: Howie on February 19, 2011, 10:55:57 PM
Once the hard anodizing wears through the wear happens very quickly.
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: koko64 on February 19, 2011, 11:26:25 PM
Those alloy inner/steel outer sprockets seem like a good idea, but are expensive due to them being a two piece jobbie. If you hate the weight of steel they at least give some longevity.
I like the light AFAM front sprockets with lightening holes.
If I got the full alloy rear sprockets cheap enough I would use them though.

With four daughters, I hate anorexia: but I'm a motorcycle anorexic. Light is right.

I like to run the larger 15 on the front as I've raised the rear ride height, so I'm running 15/39 which is stock for an old M900 down here in Oz (the old belt 900 SS is 15/37 here). A tuned 900 engine pulls 15/39 quite well.
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: Raux on February 20, 2011, 08:20:07 AM
(http://img13.werkenntwen.de/photo14/29f066154e4e21c7a9907b95e2f039c1/p/0/p07ko62dfefixnvzmniy2uooot8.jpg)

lightweight steel sprocket
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: lazylightnin717 on February 20, 2011, 09:59:15 AM
I went with a Renthal rear in aluminum. I haven't heard much about the ratios and how they increase or decrease wear but I would like to know more about it. Nonetheless, I went with a 15/40

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Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: koko64 on February 20, 2011, 05:25:21 PM
Quote from: Raux on February 20, 2011, 08:20:07 AM
(http://img13.werkenntwen.de/photo14/29f066154e4e21c7a9907b95e2f039c1/p/0/p07ko62dfefixnvzmniy2uooot8.jpg)

lightweight steel sprocket

Thanks for the picture Raux. They have really gone to town lightening that sprocket. A great compromise to longevity without the costly two piece manufacturing process. That could be the solution to my next rear sprocket choice.
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: greenmonster on February 21, 2011, 11:27:16 AM
Renthal alu rear, no excessive wear really, + 10 k km's.
15/41, no strange/uneven wear neither.


Even causes less wear than odd, is that really a fact?
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: junior varsity on February 21, 2011, 11:28:37 AM
Other way around. Odd causes less wear than even, or so I remember reading - sorry if I was unclear.

Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: greenmonster on February 21, 2011, 11:31:27 AM
Any link or so?
Would be interesting to read more,
this is a new one f me.
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: junior varsity on February 21, 2011, 11:38:14 AM
I am searching for it - the topic dealt with inner v. outer links on the same sprocket teeth because of even numbers, even/even wearing worse than even/odd, odd/odd wearing the best.
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: ducpainter on February 21, 2011, 05:14:24 PM
google 'hunting tooth sprockets'
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: junior varsity on February 21, 2011, 06:04:52 PM
that's right! The name had escaped me. Before defunct VeeTwo had gotten rid of all their cool stuff, I had picked up a few sets of their lightweight primary gear kits, which also have the hunting tooth ratio. Tipped off to this from the Desmoquattro performance handbook by Falloon.
Title: Re: Sprocket Selection - Material & Ratios
Post by: junior varsity on February 21, 2011, 06:13:23 PM
First post updated to show picture I mentioned, which shows excessive wear on the 'other' teeth.

I discovered this where when pulling the rear axle out and loosening everything up to put in some Motorize.de billet aluminum axle adjusters for the M900/888/851 aluminum swingarm (VERY NICE), and shipping the 17mm rear axle off to TPO for measurements (so we can get a lightweight version available hopefully). The fine folks at Yoyodyne did not care to sell me a 17mm Ti rear axle as shown in their catalog when I called inquiring about brake seals (the axle listing says 'call for price and availability', but also lists it at $225... so I called and asked about pricing and availability)

As far as the wear goes, I had been monitoring it regularly while doing my post-ride chain clean 'n' lube, but I must admit, the change from negligible wear to lots of wear was rather abrupt (I clean n lube approx. every 500 mi).   Chain is ERV3 520, and I'm still very happy with it. So happy I bought another one to put on the fixxer upper M900.

I ordered up 39T Driven hybrid sprocket this time so I can enjoy the life of the steel sprocket. Price doesn't seem that much more than a standard DSS Monster sprocket. (Its like $15 more? By my math, that's one nice pizza that that I shouldn't eat anyhow left uneaten and I'm there.)