http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_child_pepper_sprayed (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_child_pepper_sprayed)
If the kid can't behave, get him out of school. "The world needs ditch diggers too"
mitt
I'm very close to finding a career that doesn't involve education. I get kids like this when they become teenagers.
JM
remember when children were seen and not heard interviewed by a news agency when they throw a temper tantrum?
I'm pro corporal punishment
this was a very interesting topic around the water cooler at the office today.
probably a little more so since there were parents of children near that age and our proximity to where this incident took place.
most were of the same opinion the OP.
That. Shit. Hurts.
But it wears off after a while with no long-term effects except for a natural aversion to whatever you were doing right before you got sprayed. Pavlov's dogs and all that.
If he's taking his teacher and the rest of his class hostage, then I don't think they were out of line at all. Hell, I'd have led with the pepper spray and followed up with the Taser.
Maybe a flash-bang is in order for next time?
In my day the shop teacher doled out the discipline. The wood shop teach had a paddle hanging up front. It had 42 one inch holes bored through the critical interface. We behaved.
The article stated that the little "angel" has been transfered to another school.
May I suggest Singapore. ;) [thumbsup] a couple of years there, he'll learn how to behave
that is awesome!!!
that kid so deserved it they should have tazed him and his mother for fun. sorry but a kid that may potentially seriously injure or kill other kids with a weapon on purpose and they don't put it down when told to by the teacher or police should be tazed or pepper sprayed. [laugh]
how would you explain to another parent tht their kid is now blind because you didnt subdue a kid that was threatening others with a weapon?
not all kids are innocent and nice.
I'm a teacher and it amazes me how far some parents' heads are up their own butts.
In the classroom, if another child is harming or trying to harm another child, we take that child out of the situation. Granted, all you usually need to redirect a two year old and diffuse a situation is something shiny, but an older child with a weapon?! Sorry, but like the cop in the article says... If they didn't spray him, they would have had to restrain him physically, and the possibility of the kid sustaining greater injuries would have been higher.
Boo to the mom... All of your righteous indignation does nothing but prove to everyone what a useless parent you are. Take responsibility for your own (in)action, and the behavior of your son. The kid even admitted at the end that he probably deserved it! [bang]
When I was a kid and I did something knuckleheaded, I got what I deserved in terms of punishment, and I knew I deserved it. I knew what was coming and I weighed out the action vs. the punishment. It helped me develop my critical thinking and reasoning skills. [laugh]
[bacon]
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] LOVE IT!!
Quote from: sbrguy on April 07, 2011, 12:31:48 AM
not all kids are innocent and nice.
Teachers should have pepper spray on hand as well. TX still allows corporal punishment. Austin residents are trying to fight it now though. [roll]
A few years back, I worked at a school for socially & emotionally impaired students. The age range was 5-22 years old and most of the teen-aged students were gang-bangers. All of them were like the kid in the story though. Hell..my first day, one student put a desk through a window. Luckily, it happened just after we evacuated the portable. There were panic buttons in each room to alert security. When security came, the student was typically put into an arm bar and taken to a padded room. On occasion, we had kids taken out of school in handcuffs and one was even pepper sprayed. [evil]
Euthanase the kids and the parents.
Problem solved.
My heart goes out to all those hard working teachers.
[bang]
edit: I just watch the news video clip, they should have pepper sprayed the mom too.
Where has commonsense gone?
"When asked about the pepper spray and what he did, Aidan said: "I kind of deserved it.""
Shit yeah you did... Little ass
The Entitlement Generation at work. [roll]
If I would have tried that crap when I was 8 the teacher would've dragged me by the ear outside of class and beat my butt with a paddle. Then I would be taken to the pricipals office where my butt would be beat with a paddle. Then when I got home my parents would beat my butt with a paddle.
I don't know what the home life is like for the mom and kid. But she does seem like an enabler who let the kid get his way all the time. When school/teacher tries to install some discipline in his life, he acts out. The mom then blames the school... sigh. Instead of pills, this kid is in dire need of some hardcore spanking. And where is the dad in this story?!?!?
yeah - her saying that he never does stuff like that at home smacks of a big case of denial. I'm sure he does, perhaps to a lesser extent, and she just tunes it out. It's amazing what we all can blind ourselves too when we want.
And while pills can be *part* of the fix at times - they sure aren't the only part. I'm guessin' there's some more old fashioned parenting that needs to be done there.
Quote from: Goat_Herder on April 07, 2011, 06:34:00 AM
And where is the dad in this story?!?!?
This is a bad incident.
How does going on national TV help? Where's that news thread?
The dad is probably hiding.
no doubt the memories of Columbine are still fresh...
if he had been a few years older, the cops might not have been so gentle.
Really make the beast with two backsed up to put these two dipshits on t.v. I would be so ashamed if that was my kid that there would be no way I would go on t.v. to talk about how much of an ass he is. But they probably recorded it and told everyone they knew to watch. This is just plain make the beast with two backsed up.
with the application of sufficient voltage
even an amoeba can be convinced
it needs to move to the far side of the petri dish
I'm a teacher and have avoided this story because these "news" accounts always seem to omit the important stuff. From my understanding of this, the kid was in a special ed class for severe emotionally disturbed kids. A lot of kids that used to go to special ed centers or even institutions are now in public schools as there has been a transition over the last 20 years to include people rather than isolate them. Sometimes they get the balance wrong. It seems like public school is not the least restrictive environment in which this kid can function. As a consequence, people not specifically trained to address this kid's behavior ended up addressing it as if he was a "regular" kid. You can't beat mental illness out of a kid. This isn't a kid behaving badly, it's a kid with SERIOUS mental illness. Again, I've tried to stay out of this so I may have missed some important information. Regardless, please consider the role we are asking of our schools now and know that they aren't the same as they were 20 years ago.
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on April 07, 2011, 02:07:27 AM
I'm a teacher and it amazes me how far some parents' heads are up their own butts.
I'm a teacher and we are on the same page.
I'm currently trying to figure out why two of my "bad boy rule breakers" are suddenly carrying around and using chocolate & orange lip balm several times in a 45 minute class and laughing about it. I feel there's more to this than being sensitive to attract the girls.
JM
Quote from: Grappa on April 07, 2011, 01:49:51 PM
Really make the beast with two backsed up to put these two dipshits on t.v. I would be so ashamed if that was my kid that there would be no way I would go on t.v. to talk about how much of an ass he is. But they probably recorded it and told everyone they knew to watch. This is just plain make the beast with two backsed up.
this. i want to spray the mom. WTF
What is she thinking? 'my son was a menace so i'll take him to be on TV?' i don't think she realizes she's the one who looks like a retard.
Quote from: redxblack on April 07, 2011, 06:14:29 PM
...From my understanding of this, the kid was in a special ed class for severe emotionally disturbed kids....
...A lot of kids that used to go to special ed centers or even institutions are now in public schools as there has been a transition over the last 20 years to include people rather than isolate them....
...As a consequence, people not specifically trained to address this kid's behavior ended up addressing it as if he was a "regular" kid...
I did not realize this was a special needs child who was mainstreamed. :-\
Besides teaching, I used to coach gymnastics. From recreational classes all the way up through my Elite women's team.
In one of my rec classes I had a new 6 year old student starting. As with all my new students, I asked Johnny's (not his real name) mother if there was anything in particular that I needed to know about Johnny to make his time in my gym more enjoyable. I ask more from a safety standpoint, i.e... Does the child have asthma, allergies, seizures, etc... That way if anything happens, I'm prepared.
Mom said no. He was just like any other six year old boy. I said great and Johnny came into class. Well, Johnny had a tough time at first in my class. I run a pretty tight ship in the gym, because one false move and someone could really get hurt. Johnny would frequently run away from the group, tearing across the gym to dive into our foam tumbling pit. Usually it was into a path of an oncoming athlete. I remember one instance in particular where he actually ran directly UNDER a girl as she was throwing a layout double twist! :o
I tried to give the kid the benefit of the doubt, and made excuses for him... He'd never been in a group class before, maybe he had ADHD, maybe there was no structure at home... I tried my best to keep him safe, but after a few classes, I knew I had to do something. I made up my mind to confront Mom before the next class to see what could be done about his behavior. Well, Dad brought Johnny that day, and I'm glad he did. Instead of leaving Johnny at the door between the lobby and the gym, Dad started walking onto the floor with Johnny. I explained to dad that only the students were allowed on the floor. He looked at me in such a way and asked, didn't Mom come in, because Johnny needed a one on one. I said no and Dad asked me if Mom had told us that Johnny had Autism.
I was floored! I never had had a student with Autism before and didn't really know anything about it. I sat down with Dad and Johnny while another instructor took over the class. Dad educated me briefly about Autism, and gave me several techniques that he used with his son to help him focus, relieve anxiety, etc...
That was a turning point for Johnny. Using the techniques Dad had given me, and my newfound understanding of what Johnny was going through, I helped him shine in the class. It was amazing to see the transformation a little understanding and a different approach could cause. The light shining in his eyes when he overcame an obstacle or performed a move previously unattainable to him, I will never forget.
If you educate the educators, you can make a difference in children's lives. I understand that some parents may feel reluctant to talk about issues their child may have, like Johnny's mom. But, like Johnny's dad, if you DO discuss it, their child will be better off than if you just deny that they might need some extra help. After all, it IS all about the kids, not the parents.
Sorry for the book, thanks for reading...
-Ryan [bacon]
Ryan - that's a great story. I'm glad you bothered to type it. I teach (mostly) US history and always request the AP course and the special ed inclusion class. It is amazing how much difference there is between 15 and 16 year olds at various points of mental development. It gives me a deep appreciation for the individual to see such variation.
Alright, I need to get a fresh scotch and finish grading these essays. ;)
Quote from: redxblack on April 07, 2011, 06:14:29 PM
I'm a teacher and have avoided this story because these "news" accounts always seem to omit the important stuff. From my understanding of this, the kid was in a special ed class for severe emotionally disturbed kids. A lot of kids that used to go to special ed centers or even institutions are now in public schools as there has been a transition over the last 20 years to include people rather than isolate them. Sometimes they get the balance wrong. It seems like public school is not the least restrictive environment in which this kid can function. As a consequence, people not specifically trained to address this kid's behavior ended up addressing it as if he was a "regular" kid. You can't beat mental illness out of a kid. This isn't a kid behaving badly, it's a kid with SERIOUS mental illness. Again, I've tried to stay out of this so I may have missed some important information. Regardless, please consider the role we are asking of our schools now and know that they aren't the same as they were 20 years ago.
The story did say he was in a class for kids with issues, so he wasn't really 'mainstreamed'. I'm way out of my depth here, but it seems unlikely that a school would have a program for kids with problems and not have teachers with training for those problems. Also, if the kid truly had problems, why would Mom say this behavior was strictly school related? In the video, the kid came off as bright, articulate, basically a normal kid with the exception of having a skewed perspective on allowable behavior, and even then he acknowledged he deserved what he got. According to the story, the school went to significant lengths to not 'beat' it out of this kid. There is no mention in the story that the kid does, in fact, have any mental illness, and diagnosing him with one after watching him on a 4 minute clip seems a little hasty. If every kid who misbehaves gets labeled as mentally ill, you are taking away from the legitimate needs of kids, and the parents of those kids, who truly have issues.
The "special class" for "kids with problems" is a severe emotionally disturbed (SED) class. To get into this class, you don't have to be a behavior problem, you have to have a medical diagnosis. There are degrees of how bad this issue can be, ranging from mild to extreme. Teachers in these courses are trained professionals to deal with certain kids, but some need much more time, attention and even medication than a teacher can give. This kid seems to have been placed into an environment (based on the limited news story) which he's not capable of functioning within. That does not mean he isn't bright, or articulate, or high functioning. It means that he is unable to control his impulsive behavior due to a mental issue. He needs to be taught coping mechanisms AND likely be medicated.
As far as why mom says the problems are school related - there could be several answers. If the kid IS on meds, it's possible they're not effective until the afternoon or that by the afternoon, he's so tired he isn't misbehaving. It's possible that the mom is not entirely truthful. It's possible she ignores bad behavior or no longer recognizes it. There's a lot of possibilities on why the mother would make that statement. I can't really explain, but just speculate. I wouldn't trust her word as authoritative on the subject, though. You don't get into an SED program unless the problems are more than just situational.
I'm not trying to diagnose this kid, but contextualize this issue. There's a kid in a class around the corner from my room that should be in an institution. While they evaluate his condition, he's in our building. It takes time. The kid is bright, but his impulse control is non-existent and his behaviors are somewhat sociopathic. It's not a question of smart or not, but can this kid function appropriately in this environment. That's the nature of the "least restrictive environment" issue. I agree with the premise of LRE, but this is the downside. I'm just a bit depressed that this article is a "water cooler story" that misses the real point or constructive discussion of a problem in our schools.
All of you bookmark this kid's name in your mind. He'll be in the criminal justice system eventually and it won't be because he got a little oleoresin capsicum sprayed in his face.
my question is this.
at what point is something a "medical mental illness" or just someone that is a jacka$$?
what i have a problem with is it seems there are too many people that want to label something an "illness" and then they can drug up the person child/adult and also as soon as you label something an illness what you really want is people to say "well its not their fault its the illness" so at what point do we say someone may be just devoloping slower and that does not in itself show an illness or that a person is just the jacka$$?
Quote from: sbrguy on April 08, 2011, 07:24:17 AM
my question is this.
at what point is something a "medical mental illness" or just someone that is a jacka$$?
what i have a problem with is it seems there are too many people that want to label something an "illness" and then they can drug up the person child/adult and also as soon as you label something an illness what you really want is people to say "well its not their fault its the illness" so at what point do we say someone may be just devoloping slower and that does not in itself show an illness or that a person is just the jacka$$?
My question is at what point does being a jackass excuse you from being put in a straitjacket and drugged up?
If you have a child that age doing what he did, I really don't care if he's a jackass or a mental patient. Either way, he needs to be dealt with.
I know what I'd LIKE to do, but I am not a child psychology expert. That being said, I know things like this did not magically NOT happen ages ago when kids got beaten at school so maybe beating him isn't the solution -- not that I don't think he needs to be beaten.
I've always said that our civilization has preserved too many bad genes and precivlization that would have resulted in a kid like this being thrown out of the cave and eaten by a sabre tooth tiger.
Quote from: redxblack on April 07, 2011, 06:14:29 PM
I'm a teacher and have avoided this story because these "news" accounts always seem to omit the important stuff. From my understanding of this, the kid was in a special ed class for severe emotionally disturbed kids. A lot of kids that used to go to special ed centers or even institutions are now in public schools as there has been a transition over the last 20 years to include people rather than isolate them. Sometimes they get the balance wrong. It seems like public school is not the least restrictive environment in which this kid can function. As a consequence, people not specifically trained to address this kid's behavior ended up addressing it as if he was a "regular" kid. You can't beat mental illness out of a kid. This isn't a kid behaving badly, it's a kid with SERIOUS mental illness. Again, I've tried to stay out of this so I may have missed some important information. Regardless, please consider the role we are asking of our schools now and know that they aren't the same as they were 20 years ago.
Interesting. My first thought on reading this story was that there was something wrong with the kid.
an update on my anecdotal example - the kid who was in the school very recently is not here anymore. He robbed a guy at gunpoint at an ATM, and the victim was able to get the gun away from this "student" and literally sit on top of him until the police arrived. He's no longer the problem of the SED teacher down the hall. Small victories? Social failings? I dunno, that sort of judgment is beyond my pay grade.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 08, 2011, 07:28:03 AM
I've always said that our civilization has preserved too many bad genes and precivlization that would have resulted in a kid like this being thrown out of the cave and eaten by a sabre tooth tiger.
I'll have to dig up the study they did a while back on Macaques that showed that there were distinct survival benefits
for the whole tribe from having a population of both "momma's boy" and "raging asshole" personality types.
In a nutshell, a lot of these "bad" personality types actually have a niche.
Beyond that, the woman is an idiot for going on TV (unless she got a big sum of money which she's using solely for a fund for her kid)
And where would that money be coming from and who would it really go to?!
Quote from: IZ on April 08, 2011, 01:19:34 PM
And where would that money be coming from and who would it really go to?!
I believe he's referring to the appearance fee for being on TV, which would come from the broadcast corporation, paid by cable subscriber fees and advertising revenue.
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on April 08, 2011, 12:51:52 PM
I'll have to dig up the study they did a while back on Macaques that showed that there were distinct survival benefits for the whole tribe from having a population of both "momma's boy" and "raging asshole" personality types.
In a nutshell, a lot of these "bad" personality types actually have a niche.
Beyond that, the woman is an idiot for going on TV (unless she got a big sum of money which she's using solely for a fund for her kid)
of course it has a niche -- it might help him avoid getting a flesh enema when he's put in prison later.
but i don't buy the survival argument for humans anymore. we live in a wholly constructed environment, we're not subject to "regular" evolutionary pressures.
Quote from: Buckethead on April 08, 2011, 01:39:14 PM
I believe he's referring to the appearance fee for being on TV, which would come from the broadcast corporation, paid by cable subscriber fees and advertising revenue.
First thing I thought of when I heard of them appearing on TV was "how much did they get paid?" Just another "sensational" news story to attract viewers and advertisers. [bang] Probably won't be the last time that kid will be on TV. :P Now he has a taste of it and all the attention that acting up brings him. Gee, now he's famous!
Maybe the kid could land a sitcom where he plays the grandson of the golden voiced hobo, and the next water cooler "news" story that comes along can be the third leg in the story arc yet-to-be-determined. It'd be a big hit until our attention was diverted with some other meaningless crap.
Judging from Momma's build, maybe this plays a part.........
http://www.videtteonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30569:junk-food-connected-to-criminality&catid=37:newsnationalglobal&Itemid=53 (http://www.videtteonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30569:junk-food-connected-to-criminality&catid=37:newsnationalglobal&Itemid=53)
Not to say the kid wasn't deserving but...if a couple cops can't handle an 8 year old without deploying pepper spray or a taser they need some more training.
There is a reason west coast cops are considered the benchmark for police tactics and training worldwide. I've seen way too many COPS episodes with the officers going straight to tasers or spray without a thought. The old school method of going hands on solves most problems. Pain compliance techniques work wonders. In nearly eight years I've only had to taze two guys and sprayed zero. I can talk 99% of them into cuffs without a problem and half of them thank me later. The other half are in prison cursing my name. :)
Here's one for picking the brat up by his ear and slapping the stick out of his hand.
Quote from: hbliam on April 10, 2011, 01:01:41 AM
Not to say the kid wasn't deserving but...if a couple cops can't handle an 8 year old without deploying pepper spray or a taser they need some more training.
There is a reason west coast cops are considered the benchmark for police tactics and training worldwide. I've seen way too many COPS episodes with the officers going straight to tasers or spray without a thought. The old school method of going hands on solves most problems. Pain compliance techniques work wonders. In nearly eight years I've only had to taze two guys and sprayed zero. I can talk 99% of them into cuffs without a problem and half of them thank me later. The other half are in prison cursing my name. :)
Here's one for picking the brat up by his ear and slapping the stick out of his hand.
I totally agree with you.
The bad thing about that is that the cops would have been the ones on the talk shows trying to explain why they shouldn't have lost their job and/or been on trial for child abuse. Nowadays everyone seems to be faced with the decision of what should be done vs. what will least likely get me in trouble. Situations that cops (and teachers for that matter) find themselves in usually seem to suck. Not only are they forced to fill the void for slack ass, usless make the beast with two backsing parents, they have their hands tied doing it. If the kid acts like this in school, it's because he is allowed to act like this at home. Little Aiden needs his ass beat, MOM!
Mama saw TV time and dollar signs in this situation, and she is willing to show the world that she is a horrible parent to get it. Shame on her!
Apparently there is a back story to what is triggering the boy's outbursts:
http://www.9news.com/video/#/Education/Grandfather+of+student+hit+with+pepper-spray+speaks/49906872001/50624635001/895768384001 (http://www.9news.com/video/#/Education/Grandfather+of+student+hit+with+pepper-spray+speaks/49906872001/50624635001/895768384001)
Quote from: hbliam on April 10, 2011, 01:01:41 AM
Not to say the kid wasn't deserving but...if a couple cops can't handle an 8 year old without deploying pepper spray or a taser they need some more training.
Keep in mind the situational affects of other incidents. Recently in Denver, two officers were fired after they were caught on tape beating a man. That will certainly cause others to take a different approach.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on April 10, 2011, 06:37:07 AM
Apparently there is a back story to what is triggering the boy's outbursts:
http://www.9news.com/video/#/Education/Grandfather+of+student+hit+with+pepper-spray+speaks/49906872001/50624635001/895768384001 (http://www.9news.com/video/#/Education/Grandfather+of+student+hit+with+pepper-spray+speaks/49906872001/50624635001/895768384001)
Keep in mind the situational affects of other incidents. Recently in Denver, two officers were fired after they were caught on tape beating a man. That will certainly cause others to take a different approach.
Thanks for that Randy. There's always more than what's in the original story.
You'd think there was a police 'tactic' other than beating or pepper spray that would be appropriate for an 8 year old. I couldn't agree with hbliam more.
It would make sense that they should be able to.
However, none of us were at the scene, so we are all speculating on what really happened.
The child did have quite a history at that school. Over a dozen letters sent to the mom about his behavior (keeping in mind he was at a school for children with behavior issues) and it was the third time the police had been called to the school about him.
It is also interesting that the story is just breaking now, when the incident took place in February.
Speculating in what sense?
They used pepper spray and rational thinking would suggest that two grown men with training could subdue an 8 year old with a one foot long stick.
The exact details...yeah we don't know, but gimme a break.
It will be interesting to find out the results of the investigation the grandfather alluded to, although I doubt we'll ever hear a word about it.
speculating to what tactics were used prior to deploying the pepper spray.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on April 10, 2011, 08:15:31 AM
speculating to what tactics were used prior to deploying the pepper spray.
OK...so you are assuming they don't have adequate training...because...
8 year olds are not that daunting...and a foot long piece of window trim is not a deadly weapon...until it's in the hands of a person capable of using it as such.
just sayin'.
I'd be embarrassed to be one of those officers.
Regardless what tactic was used prior or whether pepper spray was appropriate, the fact remains - the mom failed at parenting the kid and grandpa is no replacement for a dad. Now aday, you lay a hand on a kid, you risk getting sued for all you have. Obviously the teacher is afraid of physically controlling him and had to hide all the kids in the office. The officers thought pepper spraying him is better than risk the chance of injuring the kid by bring him down. It's damned if you do and damned if you don't. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes...
The officers must have been absent on "disarming a fat kid with a stick" day.
I think the kid was maced to set an example. More examples need to be set these days. When I pick up Ethan from Jr High.... there are always a group of kids who find it funny to stand in the middle of the street and block traffic. As with all things teenage...... its grown into literally sitting down in the street. Im waiting on the day when a kind parent runs one over and makes an example of them. If the parent is on a cell phone........ it'll be a two'fer.
I can't believe his mother thought the outfit she wore on TV was a good choice.
He may be only 8, but I bet he is the biggest 8 year old in his school. Size wise, that kid looks more like 10.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on April 10, 2011, 06:37:07 AM
Keep in mind the situational affects of other incidents. Recently in Denver, two officers were fired after they were caught on tape beating a man. That will certainly cause others to take a different approach.
I am very aware of other incidents. In no other job have I had such a heavy feeling of liability on my shoulders every day. If I don't get written up by my own department for not making the exactly right decision in that split second, I will surely have to suffer through a long drawn out internal affairs investigation when the absolutely guilty criminal that I caught files a complaint. I was recently rolling code 3 (lights and sirens) to a report of a man down and not breathing (we get there long before fire). Someone pulled out in front of me. In a split second, I made the decision to hit a median and damage my car rather then hit the guy that pulled out in front of an emergency vehicle and risk injuring him. Total damage on my car? Two bent steel wheels. Other party drove away, I got a written reprimand put in my file for five years. Thank you very much.
Me and the crazy kid? Just as I was trained: Ask, tell, make.
"Hey Kid, please put the stick down and come talk to me."
"Kid, put the stick down now and get over here."
Takes stick from kid and drags him out of room by his ear.
Quote from: hbliam on April 10, 2011, 03:16:36 PM
Me and the crazy kid? Just as I was trained: Ask, tell, make.
"Hey Kid, please put the stick down and come talk to me."
"Kid, put the stick down now and get over here."
Takes stick from kid and drags him out of room by his ear.
Is it
possible that if the responding officers had used the scenario above, would the woman have gone to the media because, "my son was dragged out a schoolroom by his ear"?
As Goat_Herder said..."It's damned if you do and damned if you don't."
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on April 10, 2011, 03:31:51 PM
Is it possible that if the responding officers had used the scenario above, would the woman have gone to the media because, "my son was dragged out a schoolroom by his ear"?
As Goat_Herder said..."It's damned if you do and damned if you don't."
I'd say that was probable.
There's something going on here that hasn't been revealed yet.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 10, 2011, 03:37:15 PM
I'd say that was probable.
There's something going on here that hasn't been revealed yet.
I haven't seen any video of mother and son yet...... does the boy show signs of autism?
Quote from: bobspapa on April 10, 2011, 03:57:26 PM
I haven't seen any video of mother and son yet...... does the boy show signs of autism?
Not necessarily.
He may be on the spectrum. He's high functioning for certain.
What speaks to me is the interview with the grandfather. He's not your average glory seeking, money grubbing, headline grabber.
I just watched the GMA spot...... I kinda see it.
Quote from: bobspapa on April 10, 2011, 05:03:18 PM
I just watched the GMA spot...... I kinda see it.
Did you watch gramps?
Waaaaaay more telling than mom and the boy.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 10, 2011, 03:37:15 PM
There's something going on here that hasn't been revealed yet.
Local TV news coverage isn't well suited to getting all the story out, just what makes a good teaser intro before they go to commercial.
I wonder what the outcome was the other times the cops were called.
Quote from: Dan on April 10, 2011, 05:29:51 PM
I wonder what the outcome was the other times the cops were called.
obviously not newsworthy.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 10, 2011, 05:42:46 PM
obviously not newsworthy.
No one got stabbed, beaten or sprayed...
Quote from: Dan on April 10, 2011, 05:50:08 PM
No one got stabbed, beaten or sprayed...
pretty much.
It's a shame that the view we see is the extreme.
That's all that sells.
The cops have a suck deal.
The mom has a suck deal.
The dad apparently is fighting for whatever the pentagon thinks is good...IMO a suck deal.
...and the kid is left hanging in the breeze...
no question...
a suck deal.
I encourage everyone to listen to gramps....
perspective. ;)
Quote from: Dan on April 10, 2011, 05:29:51 PM
I wonder what the outcome was the other times the cops were called.
sidetracked at the teachers' lounge with coffee and doughnuts
If he had been drug from the room by his ear no network would have been interested in paying Mom money to be on TV. She's lucky and should be thankful he got sprayed. Covered their house and car payment this month! ;D Given that, she's probably now wishing they had shot him in the leg or arm! She could have bought a new car!! [laugh]
I should post a pic of the teacher's lounge in our building. I think you'd find it funny the lack of accommodations. I don't think that room has seen coffee OR doughnuts since the Reagan administration.
I've been bit twice by the little demons
and
I've tended wounds on officers who been banged up by children
scratches, lac's, bites, stitches, and exposure reports
I don't give a shit if they're 8 or 80
they get aggressive, they get tazed, and they get chemically restrained
The "why" don't matter
Quote from: ducpainter on April 10, 2011, 08:22:17 AM
8 year olds are not that daunting...and a foot long piece of window trim is not a deadly weapon...until it's in the hands of a person capable of using it as such.
You've obviously never seen the movie, Home Alone. [roll] ;)
Quote from: Jacob on April 10, 2011, 11:21:35 PM
I don't give a shit if they're 8 or 80
This. At the point that the aggressor employs an improvised edged weapon, it is no longer a reasonable to consider it a "temper tantrum."
I'm sympathetic to everyone involved - the overmatched parent, the underprepared and unsupported teacher, the child with needs that obviously aren't being met, and the police under the microscope... but when it gets to the point that the LEO is called to respond, all that other shit is out the window and the LEO has to do what they can to prevent an armed assailant from harming someone else. That's the long and the short of it.
One may find "sympathy" in the dictionary between "shit" and "syphilis".