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Title: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: ShiftSix on April 18, 2011, 02:05:53 PM I am finally looking at exhaust for the bike. ;D and I have it narrowed down to 2 (but open to suggestions)
I am compairing between these Full 2-2 Ti Arrow Shotgun style like shown in this picture http://www.bellissimoto.com/images/Full_titanio_1.JPG (http://www.bellissimoto.com/images/Full_titanio_1.JPG) Or the Zard 2-2 Ti Under tail like shown here *tho pictured is the CF you get the idea* http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Motowheelscom/Monster%20parts/ZARD.jpg (http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Motowheelscom/Monster%20parts/ZARD.jpg) My question is the Zard are about 300 more... Is it worth it? If they are better sure, but if all things being equal I am kinda partial to the shotgun style since thats whats stock on my S2R1k I would love to have some Termi's but I dont like how long the can is on them, and they are out of my price range at this time. Thanks for the help :) Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: Heath on April 18, 2011, 02:31:15 PM +1 for Arrows
The Zard 2-2 system is nice but hard to get the cans lined up perfect. :\ Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: DucatiTorrey on April 18, 2011, 03:23:14 PM i like both, but would go non carbon
but dont cover the wheel... imho Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: ute on April 18, 2011, 03:39:05 PM Arrows ...the sound is amazing
I have the CF version like it alot .....classic lines with the shotgun Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: Triple J on April 18, 2011, 03:39:59 PM The Zards look better IMO.
I hate the stacked exhaust arrangement though. Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: Mike_D on April 18, 2011, 06:43:47 PM +1 on the Arrows--you won't be sorry.
Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: ShiftSix on April 19, 2011, 07:04:16 AM Thanks for the replies guys, Yeah Its going to be the Arrows in Titanium. [thumbsup]
As for the ecu, What is the best course of action, Reflash? that closed loop plug and play thing? Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: booger on April 19, 2011, 11:31:53 AM ARROW FTW
they have a very UNIQUE and BADASS sound, nothing comes close Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: ute on April 19, 2011, 02:55:56 PM If your just doing the exhaust no need for any ecu mods ...its only when you open the air box and pipes that you need massage the ecu
I would suggest a Power Commander ( thats what I run ) but that being said I have not done the ECU mod but others have Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: rideserotta on April 19, 2011, 05:06:45 PM Pro-Italia can reflash... http://www.ducatiperformance.com/ducati-ecu-reflash-p-150097.html (http://www.ducatiperformance.com/ducati-ecu-reflash-p-150097.html)
I'm partial to the Zard. I love the balanced look of the under seat exhaust. Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: jwoconnor on April 21, 2011, 06:26:13 PM I'd go either one over the Termi's. They are over-rated IMO.
Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: TJR178 on April 22, 2011, 06:25:52 AM I love my Arrows. They make my bike sound like a V8. MMmmm.
Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: S21FOLGORE on April 24, 2011, 09:28:53 AM Arrow full system with Ti silencers on my S4R.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43649.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43649.0) ( with air box & ECU mod. Scroll down, there's print out of dyno run.) The style (over and under shotgun style or side by side) is personal preference. The material of silencer outer, carbon and titanium makes a little bit different sound. The weld on Arrow exhaust system is nicer than Termi's. TAK Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: desmoworks on April 24, 2011, 08:29:39 PM We are flashing the ECU for free with the purchase of a full system right now FWIW [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: ShiftSix on April 25, 2011, 06:29:34 AM That is really good to know.
Let me ask this, For starters I care more about reliability than a few extra horse power. Is there anything I need to be worried about having the ecu reflashed verses doing the Fat Duc o2 senser mod, I have tried to look back at the ecu page and it seems no one has really had much for issues with the fatduc once they dialed it in. Any info would be great. Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: booger on April 25, 2011, 09:42:36 AM You would be better off taking advantage of the desmoworks offer, the flashed ECU corrects the factory lean fueling and smoothes the powerband out like glass. Fatduc is a bandaid and only viable if you're sticking with the stock exhaust/airbox/ECU. Should be no change in reliability, probably an increase in such with a flashed ECU.
Then all you would need to do is chop the airbox lid and add a K&N filter and you would be pretty well set. Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: Howie on April 25, 2011, 10:51:14 AM That is really good to know. Let me ask this, For starters I care more about reliability than a few extra horse power. Is there anything I need to be worried about having the ecu reflashed verses doing the Fat Duc o2 senser mod, I have tried to look back at the ecu page and it seems no one has really had much for issues with the fatduc once they dialed it in. Any info would be great. The Fat Duc helps with closed loop operation, but does nothing for open loop (over 5K RPM or 15% throttle AFIAK). The flash will get rid of the O2 sensor and change the whole fuel curve. Oh, as a bonus you can kill the immobilizer. Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: ShiftSix on April 25, 2011, 11:37:15 AM That is good to know [thumbsup] It will be a week-ish when I put in the order but im leaning to the reflash now. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Zard vs. Arrow Post by: Two dogs on April 25, 2011, 06:05:13 PM S2R1K here with full Arrows open air box and now DP RACE ECU
For the low price Desmo-Porsche are suppling virgin RACE ECU's at I would go that way , no need for a PC just trim and forget. Reflashing has been hit and miss for some from what I have read and not really that much cheaper. Mine has turned into an absolute beast with the DP RACE ECU where before it was horrible . |