yes, i'm an idiot... got ready to go to work to enjoy this nice weather spell we've been having on the east coast, got my gear on and put the bike in gear and... came to a sudden stop. and then i heard my xena disc alarm going off.
so as of right now, i've noticed a vibration coming from the brakes when i use them... it's noticeable and it feels like as if there section of the rotor that is not flat, as in it's not so much a vibration as a section of non smooth rotor. you can easily notice it at low speeds, where it's smooth braking, vibration/bump, smooth, vibration etc etc. i'm probably going to take it to the dealer and have them take a look, but it's most likely that i've just screwed up the rotor right? any idea how much this will cost me?
and offhand, i would like to say that the they might have reduced the sensitivity of the xena xx14 a bit too much compared to the xn15. the engine was on while i was putting on my gear and it never went off till i actually moved the bike.
Yeah your rotor is scrap. What happened is that the lock pulled on your rotor and whatever hole it was in stretched and caused it to "wrinkle" and expand. So that is why your getting the vibrations.
hind sight is always 20/20....sorry to hear of your misfortune...tis why I have one of these for prevention of said mistake!
(http://www.kryptonitelock.com/OutletProducts/images/products/340102.jpg)
I hook it on and cross it across the bow aas it were, so that I see it when I am putting in my key...
thanks for the comments guys, just spoke to the dealer, going to swing by tomorrow to have them take a look.
is it dangerous to ride with the rotor like this? or is it ok for the short term? they are going to take a look and then will have to order parts... wondering if i should stay off the bike till the parts come in.
worst thing is... i have one of those bungies, but i couldnt really figure out how to attach it to the xena. i guess i'll try again and see if i can get something working. it's a pretty tight fit though.
here's a pic of how it looks on a bike:
(http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-lock/xena-xx14-disc-lock/xena-xx14-disc-lock-motorcycle.jpg)
Better scour eBay for a used piece sucks but atleast you are taking it like a man [laugh]
One unasked for perspective.
When I started riding back in the early 90s I spent money on some disc locks and cable locks etc.
I would put them on the bikes when I was parking them out of site, overnight or something like that. [leo]
Once in a while I'd put them on a bike like at a diner stop or the like. [leo]
I'd even use the cable to connect the rear wheels of 2 of my bikes in the garage if I was going to be away for a long weekend or something. [leo]
Then one morning I woke up - realized that IF someone REALLY wants any bike all it takes is a couple of guys to lift it into the back of a truck or van. :o
I realized THAT'S what insurance is for. ;)
And maybe by about 1994 or 1995 I said "SCREW IT" and I haven't used one of those locks since. 8)
I don't even lock the steering heads anymore.
And in maybe 150k miles since that point, not a single person has mucked with any of my bikes not at home, not locally, not touring etc.
Actually what do these locks sell for these days? I should probably sell them and spend the money on something important like BEER... [drink]
YMMV do whatever makes you feel warm and IZ_.
the reason i put on the disc lock is more of a padlock kind of thing... and also because the first month i got the bike, someone dropped it in my garage. never found the guy and i got paranoid about the security of my bike. i figured having some kind of alarm on it would deter them.
sigh. i really really hate that person now.
I use a standard Kryptonite U-Lock/Disklock with a pair of orange reminder cables for 1 simple purpose...I use it to lock my helmet and/or jacket to the bike if I am able to do so in certain situations...because I also realized like KevM said, that if a theif REALLY wants it, he'll get it no matter what...and they usually don't muck about with locks on site when they pick up the bike and carry it away in a truck/van...
Quote from: thought on July 15, 2011, 08:07:58 AM
is it dangerous to ride with the rotor like this? or is it ok for the short term? they are going to take a look and then will have to order parts... wondering if i should stay off the bike till the parts come in.
You probably don't want to be riding like this. If the rotor is warped enough that it is catching the pad, the brake fluids could heat up and lock the wheel.
Quote from: thought on July 15, 2011, 07:53:17 AM
yes, i'm an idiot... got ready to go to work to enjoy this nice weather spell we've been having on the east coast, got my gear on and put the bike in gear and... came to a sudden stop. and then i heard my xena disc alarm going off.
so as of right now, i've noticed a vibration coming from the brakes when i use them... it's noticeable and it feels like as if there section of the rotor that is not flat, as in it's not so much a vibration as a section of non smooth rotor. you can easily notice it at low speeds, where it's smooth braking, vibration/bump, smooth, vibration etc etc. i'm probably going to take it to the dealer and have them take a look, but it's most likely that i've just screwed up the rotor right? any idea how much this will cost me?
and offhand, i would like to say that the they might have reduced the sensitivity of the xena xx14 a bit too much compared to the xn15. the engine was on while i was putting on my gear and it never went off till i actually moved the bike.
I've doen this a couple of times myself so you're not the only idiot here.
I may be completely wrong but unless you were full throttle off the start I think your rotor will be fine. The feeling may be in your head, after this happened to me I swore for days that I had really messed something up. Not the case at all.
Don't forget that most rotors are close to a quarter inch thick meant to heat and cool and withstand torsional stress from braking and, in most cases, not warp.
Won't hurt to have someone look at it though, and if you do need a new one check here. OEM rotors for around $150...
http://www.yoyodyneti.com/Category.aspx?CategoryID=3009 (http://www.yoyodyneti.com/Category.aspx?CategoryID=3009)
thanks for the advice guys
i brought it to the dealer and he spun the wheel and it doesnt seem like it's dragging so he said that it was safe to ride.
they're going to check on parts and get back to me.
Quote from: thought on July 19, 2011, 05:48:15 PM
thanks for the advice guys
i brought it to the dealer and he spun the wheel and it doesnt seem like it's dragging so he said that it was safe to ride.
they're going to check on parts and get back to me.
Dude, if you are getting vibrations in the controls when braking after possibly damaging your front rotor you should NOT be riding your bike, something is wrong!!
The slightest tweak in your rotor can cause uneven contact with your brake pads and result in massively accelerated brake wear. Not to mention, you might go to engage the brakes and they are not there to help you.
I would replace the rotor and the pads.
^^^ what he said....this is called the perfect excuse to upgrade the front anchors...
and throw away the disk-loc gadget...even if it stopped a thief the hard way (like you experienced)
they will likely leave your bike on the ground stomped to shit as punishment anyway
Thought-
Did that this morning....FAACCKKKK! EBC front rotor is bent [bang]. In neutral the bike has full pressure, however, the minute I put her in gear and travel any distance I get no front brake pressure. Time to replace the entire right side rotor that I just purchased a week ago.
Right now beginning to hate what stupidity costs.
disc locks are a detterent for the simple theives, not the real pros they are smarter and just pull up a van and have it in 10 seconds if even that long, more like 7 from that one youtube video of it happening in nyc.
and that reminder cable i thought works well i would put it on the throttle side so i couldn't miss it at start up.
I have a Xena and it works.
MIne came with a funky cord that works like a bungee. You extend it from the lock to the master lever and wrap it around. It squeezes the brakes. Bright orange, can't miss it and it works.
And yes, it's true that the Xena won't prevent someone from stealing the bike. However, it does prevent people from sitting on it or playing VROOOM VROOOM on it and possible knocking it over. I used to lock mine within sight of my window and every time I heard the alarm go off, it was some kid running away.
If you want someone to not steal it, get the floor anchor and bolt the frame into that with one of the big ass chains. I did that on a NYC sidewalk and would just leave the chain there. For 3 years. No problems.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 15, 2011, 08:52:25 AM
I have a Xena and it works.
MIne came with a funky cord that works like a bungee. You extend it from the lock to the master lever and wrap it around. It squeezes the brakes. Bright orange, can't miss it and it works.
And yes, it's true that the Xena won't prevent someone from stealing the bike. However, it does prevent people from sitting on it or playing VROOOM VROOOM on it and possible knocking it over. I used to lock mine within sight of my window and every time I heard the alarm go off, it was some kid running away.
If you want someone to not steal it, get the floor anchor and bolt the frame into that with one of the big ass chains. I did that on a NYC sidewalk and would just leave the chain there. For 3 years. No problems.
Hehe, that didn't stop me from taking off w/ the lock on mine once. I was in a big hurry, took the bungee off, got distracted, then hopped on the bike and took off. *Clunk, shudder, "Aw make the beast with two backs!"
You're lucky. When I did that on my bike, I broke the caliper mount and didn't realize it. Rode around town like that and got a nice gouge around my rim from the caliper scraping it. :-[
Lucky?
Maybe... or maybe I just check my bike before I ride every time.. [cheeky]
Years ago I moved the bike a bit with disc lock on inside the garage. Anyhow, front brake was not smooth and could feel that the rotors were warped. Dealer confirmed. Had to buy new rotors from ca cycleworks (ones u c on my avatar). I would say a $500 mistake. :-(
Quote from: ab on August 15, 2011, 06:05:04 PM
a $500 mistake. :-(
a $500 upgrade excuse. [thumbsup]
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on August 15, 2011, 05:08:42 AM
Thought-
Did that this morning....FAACCKKKK! EBC front rotor is bent [bang]. In neutral the bike has full pressure, however, the minute I put her in gear and travel any distance I get no front brake pressure. Time to replace the entire right side rotor that I just purchased a week ago.
Right now beginning to hate what stupidity costs.
that sucks man... i ordered those ebay rotors that ducatiz tried out and said were good. about $200ish with shipping. should be here by now and i'll get them installed sometime this week with new pads prob. i'll let you guys know how it turns out.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 15, 2011, 08:52:25 AM
If you want someone to not steal it, get the floor anchor and bolt the frame into that with one of the big ass chains. I did that on a NYC sidewalk and would just leave the chain there. For 3 years. No problems.
Now that's how its done. Where did you get the floor anchor from? I may do this in the parking lot behind my apartment.
Quote from: timeforpoptarts on August 17, 2011, 03:53:24 AM
Now that's how its done. Where did you get the floor anchor from? I may do this in the parking lot behind my apartment.
kryptonite floor anchor (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=K0z&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=floor+anchor+kryptonite&gs_upl=3994l6672l0l6807l13l12l1l0l0l0l286l1479l2.7.1l10l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1139&bih=774&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=7177710782832885197&sa=X&ei=A6dLToeYJoLy0gGzu7jEDA&ved=0CDcQ8wIwAw)
i used a battery powered drill and put it into the sidewalk on e 63rd st behind the hospital. the entrance was on 64th so no one came out that side, ever. hard to explain, but i put it on the sidewalk at the property line with the next building with a cover that covered the wheels. i kept a chain on it and just left it there when i was riding, tucked against the wall. it was perfect.
turns out that ebay seller doesn't stock 5 bolt 10mm rotors... went ahead and and got a set of the braketech apex/cobras. figured that if i was going to spend min 300ish for a new rotor, might as well go all the way.
sigh... at least now i'll be even more paranoid about the disc lock haha
Quote from: ducatiz on August 17, 2011, 04:35:47 AM
kryptonite floor anchor (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=K0z&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=floor+anchor+kryptonite&gs_upl=3994l6672l0l6807l13l12l1l0l0l0l286l1479l2.7.1l10l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1139&bih=774&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=7177710782832885197&sa=X&ei=A6dLToeYJoLy0gGzu7jEDA&ved=0CDcQ8wIwAw)
i used a battery powered drill and put it into the sidewalk on e 63rd st behind the hospital. the entrance was on 64th so no one came out that side, ever. hard to explain, but i put it on the sidewalk at the property line with the next building with a cover that covered the wheels. i kept a chain on it and just left it there when i was riding, tucked against the wall. it was perfect.
That is so awesome. [beer]
I built a fold down ramp for 8 stairs so I could ride my bike into my apartment after people were popping kryptonite lock with bic pens. The neighbors were like [popcorn] every damn day.
Quote from: take risks on August 24, 2011, 02:32:20 PM
That is so awesome. [beer]
I built a fold down ramp for 8 stairs so I could ride my bike into my apartment after people were popping kryptonite lock with bic pens. The neighbors were like [popcorn] every damn day.
I've never heard of that. The lock I had was made by Abus, but the anchor was made by Kryptonite. The Abus padlock was like 50 lbs alone -- the key was some funky 4 sided job.
But it did the job. You just have to have a really good impact drill to make the two holes for the lag bolts.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 24, 2011, 06:08:31 PM
I've never heard of that. The lock I had was made by Abus, but the anchor was made by Kryptonite. The Abus padlock was like 50 lbs alone -- the key was some funky 4 sided job.
But it did the job. You just have to have a really good impact drill to make the two holes for the lag bolts.
The U locks with the round cylinders could be opened with a Bic pen.
Quote from: howie on August 24, 2011, 08:40:22 PM
The U locks with the round cylinders could be opened with a Bic pen.
lol i have one of those but i never used it. i assumed it could be stretched open.. good to know, and knowing is half the battle!
Quote from: howie on August 24, 2011, 08:40:22 PM
The U locks with the round cylinders could be opened with a Bic pen.
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