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Title: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: H-2 CHARLIE on August 24, 2011, 10:41:48 AM
 It seems the other  motors - 620 / 796/800 900 and on  , but why drop the 750cc motor ?  Maybe they updated the motor and just changed the cc  ?  The 750cc has ben around fo 50 years .


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: JEFF_H on August 24, 2011, 11:04:06 AM
new motors always bump to a higher displacement (probably for marketing reasons)
example-
600->620->695->696


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Slide Panda on August 24, 2011, 11:08:07 AM
Math

600 became the 620
750 became the 800 (almost twice the bump from 600 to 620)
900 became the 1000 (twice the bump from 750 to 800)

Gotta heed the math.

Really I have no clue... but the theory amused me.


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Rameses on August 24, 2011, 11:28:45 AM
Math

600 became the 620
750 became the 800 (almost more than twice the bump from 600 to 620)
900 became the 1000 (twice the bump from 750 to 800)

Gotta heed work on the math.

Really I have no clue... but the theory amused me.




 :P





Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Slide Panda on August 24, 2011, 11:41:14 AM
Obviously the 'Really have no clue' part is it most important part of my statement...


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Rameses on August 24, 2011, 11:58:48 AM
Obviously the 'Really have no clue' part is it most important part of my statement...


 [laugh]

Well played sir.



Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: the_Journeyman on August 24, 2011, 02:48:29 PM
I really like my carbed 750, it has a very nice, broad power curve.  It is down on top end power, even to SV650s.  I've seen top-gear on the throttle stops trying to keep up with other bikes in the sweepers, but I usually hang right with them in the tight stuff. 

JM


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Dellikose on August 25, 2011, 03:37:01 AM
new motors always bump to a higher displacement (probably for marketing reasons)
example-
600->620->695->696

So give it a few more iterations and the 750 will be back.  [laugh]


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: ducatiz on August 25, 2011, 04:42:07 PM
I never thought I would see someone wax poetic about the M750 engine.

On the Paso, it was just enough.  Upgrade your 600 and you feel like you've been gifted an extra inch. 

But the M750 is a bit mild.  Maybe you can up the valves and cams and get more, but..

 ???


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Raux on August 26, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
796 is the new 750

i do wonder if the motors will eventually go to a
600 750 900 1200


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: ducatiz on August 26, 2011, 11:05:37 AM
796 is the new 750

i do wonder if the motors will eventually go to a
600 750 900 1200


I'd like to see a 600+ 4v engine.  just for kicks.. but truly, they'd need to come up with a smaller crankcase for it.  and i don't know how that can be done using the 90 deg L layout..


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Raux on August 26, 2011, 11:50:33 AM
I'd like to see a 600+ 4v engine.  just for kicks.. but truly, they'd need to come up with a smaller crankcase for it.  and i don't know how that can be done using the 90 deg L layout..

wonder what configurations the new motor can do ?
 
or better yet, the 800cc V4 turned into a true 600cc for supersport.



Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Duck-Stew on August 26, 2011, 01:59:01 PM
I never thought I would see someone wax poetic about the M750 engine.

On the Paso, it was just enough.  Upgrade your 600 and you feel like you've been gifted an extra inch. 

But the M750 is a bit mild.  Maybe you can up the valves and cams and get more, but..

 ???

I've got the pieces/parts to put together probably one of the best 750 motors ever and it's going to be mild by comparison to a DS1000...  Despite having 2-3x the $ into it that could be used to buy a DS1000...

799 hi-comp kit
900 diameter valves
900i.e. Cams
Dry-clutch
695 6-speed trans
749 charging system...
& 40mm flat-slides

Still going to be slow...  :-/

(BTW, a BIG +1 to the above quote...)


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: thought on August 26, 2011, 02:12:44 PM
wonder what configurations the new motor can do ?
 
or better yet, the 800cc V4 turned into a true 600cc for supersport.



i've always wondered why there isnt a 600cc v4.  are there tech reasons behind it or is it just because there just isnt too much benefit in the v4 config for smaller engines to justify the extra work in making one?


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: H-2 CHARLIE on August 26, 2011, 02:23:49 PM
 2012 honda 600cc  should be a v-4 motor and a new RC-51  style race bike might show up .


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: ducatiz on August 26, 2011, 03:30:16 PM
The only commercial v4 is the desmosedingdong and I doubt they'll make a special version of that. 


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Turf on August 26, 2011, 07:03:21 PM
The only commercial v4 is the desmosedingdong and I doubt they'll make a special version of that. 

Aside from the rsv4
Yammi venture
St1100
Honda magna
St13
Max
Vfr

And
Numerous old lancia engines

You're welcome  ;D


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: ducatiz on August 26, 2011, 07:07:39 PM
Aside from the rsv4
Yammi venture
St1100
Honda magna
St13
Max
Vfr

And
Numerous old lancia engines

You're welcome  ;D

the conversation is about Ducati's motors.  plenty of robot-piano-toaster-dildo manufacturers make 600cc class v4s. 


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Kaveh on September 01, 2011, 03:12:16 PM
I've got the pieces/parts to put together probably one of the best 750 motors ever and it's going to be mild by comparison to a DS1000...  Despite having 2-3x the $ into it that could be used to buy a DS1000...

799 hi-comp kit
900 diameter valves
900i.e. Cams
Dry-clutch
695 6-speed trans
749 charging system...
& 40mm flat-slides

Still going to be slow...  :-/

(BTW, a BIG +1 to the above quote...)

Who in their right mind would fix up a 750?  [laugh]


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: thought on September 01, 2011, 07:30:41 PM
everytime i glance at the title of this thread, i keep on seeing "why did ducatiz drop the 750cc?" haha


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: Christian on September 01, 2011, 10:34:54 PM
I liked the era of 750 bikes, and have a soft spot for the bevel-drive heritage 750 motors, but a Monster or Supersport 750 is a bit anemic.

The 800 is where it's at. Monster 800 or 800SS is a great bike. That extra ~10 HP and a few lb-ft of torque make a difference. The 800 was a great motor. I haven't ridden much of the 796 to make a comparison, though. Maybe it's fantastic as well.


Title: Re: Why ducati dropped the 750cc ?
Post by: ducatiz on September 02, 2011, 04:24:52 AM
everytime i glance at the title of this thread, i keep on seeing "why did ducatiz drop the 750cc?" haha

have you ever picked up a pantah or monster motor?  they are effing HEAVY!!



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