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Title: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on June 19, 2008, 03:29:30 AM
anyone got any first hand experience of the Rizoma mirrors?

I've gone through the 'show us your ride' thread looking for some....

making my way through the 'Official DMF bikes' thread too.

trying to decide between:

Limit:

http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=265&products_id=490 (http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=265&products_id=490)

and

Radial:

http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=265&products_id=191 (http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=265&products_id=191)

at the moment I like the lines of the radials a little better, but would love to see some Limits actually on a bike....suspect the limit looks best attached to a full sports bike (848 etc) fairing than on the bar of a monster.

Thanks in advance.

Spider


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: melvin on June 19, 2008, 04:00:28 AM
someone in us section might have them but in oz; unless he/she was a shy person and didn't play show'n'tell game; i don't recall anyone having them.....and i do look @ bling ...just a bit

..personally i like Radial more......personally


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: mattyvas on June 19, 2008, 04:03:00 AM
Spider they look almost identical!
Rizoma have so many different mirrors to choose from.
I bought mine more for how they would perform rather than how they would look.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: R_usty on June 19, 2008, 04:05:52 AM
Hey Spider,

I have the Rizoma Reverse Retos and they are great - Excellent quality and good vision. Even better that they don't vibrate as they are bar end mirrors. As to the two you picked - The more expensive ones look the best  [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Have fun,

R_usty


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Super T.I.B on June 19, 2008, 01:34:04 PM
Holy CRAP!

200 bucks! For 1 MIRROR!!11!!!1!   :o :o :o :o

I'm in the wrong business.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on June 19, 2008, 01:50:03 PM
Holy CRAP!

200 bucks! For 1 MIRROR!!11!!!1!   :o :o :o :o

I'm in the wrong business.

exactly brother! then add $25 for the adapters...you can see why, despite the advice to kill the Mickey Mouse ears, I waited until I had ordered/paid for nearly everything else before moving to mirrors.

I was shocked - I honestly thought it was for a pair when I started to look.

A good pair is priceless....has always been a motto of mine....but a good pair 'of mirrors' is $500 shipped


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: melvin on June 19, 2008, 02:15:45 PM

200 bucks! For 1 MIRROR!!11!!!1!   



don't forget that you are a  "schooners and meat tray" kind of a guy
outside RSL everything seems pricey [evil]


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Super T.I.B on June 19, 2008, 02:51:51 PM

don't forget that you are a  "schooners and meat tray" kind of a guy
outside RSL everything seems pricey [evil]

RSL. Nah, Workers Club.  ;)

And I paid $200 for a pair of CRG's, I don't think I could pay $500 for mirrors. ;)


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: mattyvas on June 19, 2008, 05:11:01 PM
yeah look I must say it hurts.
But you only do it once, unless you are Super and you drop the bike 10 secs after putting them on :'( :'(
I went through 3 other sets of cheaper mirrors before I settled on my Rizoma's and it did hurt also.
But back then I was buying up a storm and everything was kind numb when the CC bill hit the letterbox.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Super T.I.B on June 19, 2008, 05:33:03 PM
yeah look I must say it hurts.
But you only do it once, unless you are Super and you drop the bike 10 secs after putting them on :'( :'(

They were cheapo $40 ones.

Luckily. [roll]


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: mattyvas on June 19, 2008, 05:43:55 PM
Thankfully......
Cause that would have been costly.
Thanks for the snap on email.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Super T.I.B on June 19, 2008, 06:00:06 PM
Thankfully......
Cause that would have been costly.
Thanks for the snap on email.

No problemo.

Not the greatest pic, as I said, I need to invest in a speedlight that's compatible with my D80. It works on my F80, but him not digital.  >:(


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on June 19, 2008, 06:26:36 PM

Thanks for the snap on email.

snap on email ? do tell - you guys got a contact that will sell bits and pieces to the general public?


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: mattyvas on June 19, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
not referring to selling anything.
it's the photo of me on 848.
have a look at the Motori thread and you'll see.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Super T.I.B on June 19, 2008, 07:02:50 PM
not referring to selling anything.
it's the photo of me on 848.
have a look at the Motori thread and you'll see.

+ you were going to forward me a certain stockist of a certain brand of motorcycle apparel.  ;)


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Betty on June 19, 2008, 07:25:29 PM
Spider,

You are at a similar place to me I was also looking at both of those. The Limit is deeper in cross-section (from front to back) than the Radial - which would mean the Radial for me.

I have been toying with this one for probably a year and can't bring myself to spend that sort of money on mirrors. I find the stock mirrors pretty good for vision and didn't want to spend a small fortune without knowing whether I was going to make the vision worse. I haven't seen anything else that I like the look of (if aesthetics didn't come into it I would keep the stock mirrors) and for some reason bar ends just don't do it for me.

Found a guy in the States who has the Radials (from the Bikes of the DMF thread), could very well be the bike on PJs website. He says they are a quality product but vision is limited by your body shape - I probably wouldn't have the same issues as him but it hasn't convinced me to shell out the bucks yet.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on June 19, 2008, 07:44:15 PM
I haven't seen anything else that I like the look of (if aesthetics didn't come into it I would keep the stock mirrors) and for some reason bar ends just don't do it for me.

agreed, I like the new version of stock - doesn't mean you're singing that stupid "M.I.C, K.E.Y mouse" song.

and bar ends don't do it for me, to each there own!

Thanks Betty.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Super T.I.B on June 19, 2008, 07:51:10 PM
But i love my bar ends. :'(


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Betty on June 19, 2008, 10:45:34 PM
But i love my bar ends. :'(

... that's alright Super you don't do it for me either

... hope you're happy together


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Super T.I.B on June 20, 2008, 01:20:26 PM
... that's alright Super you don't do it for me either

... hope you're happy together

We are... [thumbsup]

Anything is better than the OEM mirrors, if you like those Rizoma's just buy 'em.

Now I know what my interest payments are funding. >:(


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: mattyvas on June 20, 2008, 09:38:36 PM
Spider, Betty take a look at these?

Other Mirrors (http://store.proitalia.com/96933xaaa.html)


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Dockstrada on June 20, 2008, 09:40:27 PM
I like the ones Andy has on his beast I think il be getting a set of them soon .


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: mattyvas on June 20, 2008, 09:45:09 PM
They were my first set of mirrors.
Couldn't use them because the bike couldn't get down the narrow passage with them on.
Vision from them is great.
Have you seen the oberon bar end ones, Tricolore has them I think.
Very neat This type (http://ausfr.com.au/cart/shopexd.asp?id=150)


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Dockstrada on June 20, 2008, 09:50:57 PM
They were my first set of mirrors.
Couldn't use them because the bike couldn't get down the narrow passage with them on.
Vision from them is great.
Have you seen the oberon bar end ones, Tricolore has them I think.
Very neat This type (http://ausfr.com.au/cart/shopexd.asp?id=150)

I am going to buy them from PJ's as i have the bare ends from them.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: mattyvas on June 20, 2008, 09:52:29 PM
Which mirrors then?
Rizoma reverse thingy's


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Betty on June 20, 2008, 10:09:32 PM
Thanks Matty certainly more affordable than the Rizoma mirrors. S'pose it is a matter of the value of the convex glass.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: mattyvas on June 20, 2008, 10:20:54 PM
to tell you the truth, if I was buying again I'd get the items from Au Street Fighter.
Good value and surely the best vision rearward.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Dockstrada on June 20, 2008, 10:30:54 PM
Which mirrors then?
Rizoma reverse thingy's

These are the ones im going to order soon together with some rear sets(after i see rusty's ones)

(http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/images/Mirror%20Class%20Retro%20BS144.jpg)

(http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/images/PE202B%20Ducati%20Rearsets.jpg)


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Big T on June 20, 2008, 10:35:25 PM
I have the same rear sets Dock........... Love'm....  [thumbsup]

Have lowered and set back the pegs for my long legs........   [moto]


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Dockstrada on June 20, 2008, 10:44:23 PM
I have the same rear sets Dock........... Love'm....  [thumbsup]

Have lowered and set back the pegs for my long legs........   [moto]

Yeh they seem to be the best I have seen around, stilll yet to have a close look at them.
plus they dont seem to pricy [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: melvin on June 21, 2008, 11:53:49 AM

Yeh they seem to be the best I have seen around



quite clearly you haven't been looking hard enough


http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=2136.0


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Dockstrada on June 21, 2008, 01:31:11 PM

quite clearly you haven't been looking hard enough


http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=2136.0

may be mistaken, seems that  risoma have much more adjustment than the sato  ???


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: stopintime on June 21, 2008, 02:04:53 PM
Yes, no lowering effect from the Rizoma (or any other, except CycleCat and MFW-Wolf Vario) rearsets. Adjusting them back will open up the angles of the hip and knee joints, but put more downward pressure on the knees. Good or bad, it depends.

The Limit is VERY profiled/fat and I'm not sure if that is a good look on Monsters. Radials are less profiled, but still more Sport Bike?
I have the Impulsive and I think they look just right.

All three have convex glass, which IMO is good. Be aware that all three are about 4 cm shorter than stock and you will sacrifice/trade rear view for side view. I mounted mine on SW-Motech 40 mm mirror wideners from TwistedThrottle and got excellent view of what's straight behind me. My mirrors are same size and place as Class Retro would be, but without that look. (no pictures, sorry)


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Dockstrada on June 22, 2008, 03:03:56 AM
Yes, no lowering effect from the Rizoma (or any other, except CycleCat and MFW-Wolf Vario) rearsets. Adjusting them back will open up the angles of the hip and knee joints, but put more downward pressure on the knees. Good or bad, it depends.

The Limit is VERY profiled/fat and I'm not sure if that is a good look on Monsters. Radials are less profiled, but still more Sport Bike?
I have the Impulsive and I think they look just right.

All three have convex glass, which IMO is good. Be aware that all three are about 4 cm shorter than stock and you will sacrifice/trade rear view for side view. I mounted mine on SW-Motech 40 mm mirror wideners from TwistedThrottle and got excellent view of what's straight behind me. My mirrors are same size and place as Class Retro would be, but without that look. (no pictures, sorry)

Do we ever fit these items on our machines thinking of the functionality ???


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: stopintime on June 22, 2008, 03:40:41 AM
Do we ever fit these items on our machines thinking of the functionality ???

Always actually ;) I mean: I choose the best looking of the items that will be covering my specs regarding function.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on June 22, 2008, 02:44:21 PM
Do we ever fit these items on our machines thinking of the functionality ???

whatever my choice I believe I will get greater functionality - the current MM ears vibrate enough to make any woman go cross-eyed with good natural unwholesome thoughts and they show a fantastic detail view of the underarms of my jacket.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Betty on July 12, 2008, 12:24:24 AM
OK, I think I chipped a tooth .... bit the bullet.

Tool ain't gonna like this:

Rizoma Radial Nakeds were waiting for me when I got home on Friday morning and they went on today before the ride - which proved to be a good test. A couple of problems were encountered during the install: firstly the adapter on the right clashed with the brake (coffin) reservoir as the reservoir was a bit too tall - a couple of spacers fixed that; secondly, we didn't have an allen key big enough to tighten them up - so it was off to the local garage to sort it out.

The trip down with no mirrors was weird, but even when installed the riding experience was quite different to what I was used to. The stock mirrors I found to provide a pretty good view, but I was not too fussed with the looks and I also noticed that my riding style was changing to make them less effective.

So, my impressions:

- I love the finish, overall very aesthetically pleasing
- they are pretty solid, no buzz/vibration was detected
- they allow you to see more than the stock mirrors, but:
- the stalks are very short (well that is the look I wanted) which has the mirrors in a different (lower) position than the stockies. This was rather disconcerting and the reason why I had put the decision off for about a year - but it just meant a change in approach
- the side view is awesome with the convex glass (in cool blue hue)
- the rear view is compromised due to the short/low stalks

The change in approach: as I almost always ride in a group keeping tabs on those behind me (although rare as the default slowpoke tail-gunner) is the way I normally ride. But seeing directly behind me was hopeless, initially I was trying to overcome this by tucking my elbow in as I did with the stockies but found I also need to move my body out of the way to see behind. It took me a while to work it out but I have now started to master the underam glance and all is well with the world.

A couple of piccies to follow, when uploaded.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Betty on July 12, 2008, 12:49:39 AM
Excuse the photos and all the crap in the background, hopefully it gives you an idea of what things are like.

The before view:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3033/2659955695_a02eac23fd_m.jpg)

Check out the difference in the stalks:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2034/2660783036_11346203c7_m.jpg)

Not much difference in size, shape is different - but it is the convex glass which does the work:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2061/2659955803_35b8f7ab78_m.jpg)

How they look from the front:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/2660783162_c8d6473de9_m.jpg)

What I get to look at:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3095/2660783126_f7aedf0fb4_m.jpg)

Sorry, but couldn't be bothered moving everything around again to get a clean background.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on July 12, 2008, 01:35:58 AM
Nice Betty! looking good  [thumbsup]

you got the matching Rizoma grips in naked aluminium too?

got em for PJ's?

I was close to pulling the trigger but ended up having a monsterparts order get processed instead....if you spread out the purchases to an order a month it doesn't seem like an addiction!

I think Rizoma should sponsor the board some times!


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Dockstrada on July 12, 2008, 01:44:32 AM
They look like the ones i should have bought from PJ's . Im not so happy with my current ones cant see sh%t :'(

Very nice Betty [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Betty on July 12, 2008, 01:53:42 AM
you got the matching Rizoma grips in naked aluminium too?

Had them a while, the mirrors was just a difficult step

got em for PJ's?

Yep, many dealings with Mike & Paige - very good to deal with

....if you spread out the purchases to an order a month it doesn't seem like an addiction!

Nope it just confirms the addiction. It is good to have a wife that understands, although sometimes I question myself

I think Rizoma should sponsor the board some times!

Have had people ask if they sponsor me ..... Ha! I wish, they're bloody expensive.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Betty on July 12, 2008, 01:55:53 AM
They look like the ones i should have bought from PJ's . Im not so happy with my current ones cant see sh%t :'(

Very nice Betty [thumbsup]

I was initially worried as well, it took me a while to position them about right. But the real difference was made by changing the way I use them. Still feels a bit wrong.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: stopintime on July 12, 2008, 02:22:44 AM
Small input from the other side of the globe:

Have you considered the 30-40 mm mirror wideners from SW-Motech? They help a lot for the rearward view.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Betty on July 12, 2008, 03:09:09 AM
Thanks for the info Stopintime. I will give the current setup a bit of time first and see how I go.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Tool on July 14, 2008, 12:18:47 AM
Well Betty, I need to let you know that I am humbled by the fact that you value my opinion.  I am very impresed by the product and the very factual manner in which you have imparted your experience and opinions.  I applaud you.  I think you are an asset to the forum, and I would not even think of typing anything that may denigrae you, in fact I applaud the manner in which you have presented your experience and I beleive that many here will take your experience to heart and learn from your experience and well worded ( and modest, dare I add) opinion.  How very refreshing.


Thank you.  Tool


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on July 14, 2008, 12:32:06 AM
This Tool is a funny bloke! I like 'im!

hey Betty - take another shot of the mirrors - with the new levers!


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Jukie on July 14, 2008, 12:38:08 AM
Hey Spider,

i have already done that, but they aren't that very good. have a look in the say anything tthread


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on July 14, 2008, 12:41:52 AM
Hey Spider,

i have already done that, but they aren't that very good. have a look in the say anything tthread

hey, those photos are good enough.

Us beautiful people are better in front of the camera instead of behind it!  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Jukie on July 14, 2008, 12:45:28 AM
oohhhh Spider,

you do know the right things to say, you make my heart race
(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_2_5.gif)




Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Dockstrada on July 14, 2008, 12:50:13 AM
Well Betty, I need to let you know that I am humbled by the fact that you value my opinion.  I am very impresed by the product and the very factual manner in which you have imparted your experience and opinions.  I applaud you.  I think you are an asset to the forum, and I would not even think of typing anything that may denigrae you, in fact I applaud the manner in which you have presented your experience and I beleive that many here will take your experience to heart and learn from your experience and well worded ( and modest, dare I add) opinion.  How very refreshing.


Thank you.  Tool

Farkme Betty he's taken a liking to you :-*

Nicest thing he's said yet ,I agree good job [thumbsup]






Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Jukie on July 14, 2008, 12:54:33 AM
hhhmmm its got me worried
(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_4_169.gif)


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Tool on July 14, 2008, 01:06:53 AM
How Obsequious-  humility is a virtue and virtue is a rare commodotiy and deserves reward.


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on July 14, 2008, 03:57:13 AM
Tool, this is, IF I where a small petty man, I would point out that your misspelling of commodity not commodotly - because you have shown others there errors....

however...

I am NOT a small man!  ;D     (enjoy that Jukie!)

so..enjoy the forum...and perhaps start contributing !


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: DosVerde on July 14, 2008, 07:24:11 PM
Based on a previous comment by me I am a small man, but I already knew that :P I just didn't know that you knew me so well Spider ;) 

BTW, let me know when you order your mirrors, I'm looking at a set as well, maybe we can halve the freight cost.

P.S: Spider, you used the incorrect "where" in the previous post, it should have been "were".  [bacon]

P.P.S: And "there" should have been "their".  [bacon] [bacon]



Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on July 14, 2008, 07:38:44 PM
You, Brendan, are an utter bastard...

And that is why I liked you from the minute me met!  [thumbsup]

yeah, I picked up my 'their' but decided to leave it in....you got me on the where/were though!

Spider


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Betty on July 14, 2008, 08:38:29 PM
.... I thought you were doing on purpose


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Spider on July 14, 2008, 09:16:16 PM
nope, just human....that looks like a spider when in the 'bike' position.

Betty, you happy with those levers? the bike is really coming along mate! what's next? plates...we've heard....


Title: Re: Rizoma Limit or Radial mirrors?
Post by: Betty on July 14, 2008, 09:19:55 PM
I think that will be it for a while. Won't get the chance to test the levers properly 'til the weekend.


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