I just read this article....
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1815845,00.html?cnn=yes
These high school chicks formed a pact... to all get pregnant together and raise the babies as a big family... so far like 17 from the same high school are pregnant... the ones who didn't get prego were sad and the ones who were... were high fiving each other... some of them even resorted to sleeping with homeless men to make it happen..... I am glad I got a son. Crikeys. [bang]
Gather round!
Punch and judy,
Did it truly,
And were married in a haste,
In love, maybe,
Using the baby,
As a kind of romance paste,
Shes grown fatter,
Her hair cut shorter,
Looks much older than nineteen,
Hes a drinker,
Not a thinker,
Baby spoiled his could-have-been.
This must be make-believe,
This must be make-believe,
This must be make-believe,
cos who do we know, dear, who acts like that?
Punch and judy.
Punch and judy,
In a semi,
On a brand new council plot,
Sunday lunchtime,
Beer-for-punch time,
While his dinners far from hot,
She grows tired,
Cab is hired,
She goes round to see her friend,
He comes back late,
Fool is irate,
We will see his temper bend.
This must be make-believe,
This must be make-believe,
This must be make-believe,
cos who do we know, dear, who acts like that?
Punch and judy,
In a quandary,
Shes walked out, and he is mad.
Now hes grown up,
Cant smash home up,
Retribution must be had.
Punch and judy,
Had a baby,
Who brought them to married bliss.
Mr punch,,
Has drunken hunch,
That he must punish kid for this
This must be make-believe,
This must be make-believe,
This must be make-believe,
cos who do we know, dear, who acts like that?
Punch and judy
That is so sad...and make the beast with two backsed up. But more sad than anything else.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/06/19/father-court.html?ref=rss
sometimes the locking up dont work.
lock them up? ...that's why they're like they are, so stupid and short sighted and thinking the mommy thing is the bestest onliest thing to do.
GIVE YOUR DAUGHTERS MOTORCYCLES.
let them see the world and meet wacky people, figure out there's more to life and more to being human and MUCH more to being female than imitating f'ing BARBIE.
Wow. Society is done. Game over.
I believe the school may be missing something... Making contraceptives easier to obtain? Can someone tell me how contraceptives are going to do any good when the girls clearly WANT to be knocked up?
Very sad indeed. Stories like this leave me with an icky feeling in my stomach. Makes me want to beat the parents of these girls to bloody hell.
Happy to be pregnant at 16 so they can have someone to love them? These girls need to love themselves (and grow up a bit) before they can effectively care for another human being.
Those poor babies. What a make the beast with two backsing mess...
Quote from: silentbob on June 19, 2008, 01:52:41 PM
Wow. Society is done. Game over.
True story.
Quote from: m0t0g0th on June 19, 2008, 01:44:29 PM
lock them up? ...that's why they're like they are, so stupid and short sighted and thinking the mommy thing is the bestest onliest thing to do.
GIVE YOUR DAUGHTERS MOTORCYCLES.
let them see the world and meet wacky people, figure out there's more to life and more to being human and MUCH more to being female than imitating f'ing BARBIE.
I'd wager that if mom and dad stayed home, a bit, and did some things with their daughters, that might change a few things. "Send them out into the world"? Why would you do that before properly equiping them to deal with it?
Quote from: m0t0g0th on June 19, 2008, 01:44:29 PM
GIVE YOUR DAUGHTERS TO MOTORCYCLISTS.
l
corrected ;)
^^^^That is in rather poor taste. (I know you were trying to be funny.)
I don't think it's in that poor taste, we seem to be a fair bunch and could have a positive impact. I could've meant giving them to us to bring them up. What? I could've meant that. Ok of course I didn't.
ok maybe it was in poor taste, but i'm sorry i still think it's funny i'm going to hell [evil]
[edit] don't get me wrong I think these girls did something horrible.
wow.
i really am contemplating starting my own small country.
Like so many societal ills, this one is economic in nature. When a youngster's options are truly limited, even bad options start being considered.
If that town is breaking up families because of the collapse of the US fishing industry (and thus people travel to find work or just give up to find fortune elsewhere) it stands to reason that the kids to feel abandoned, and perhaps unloved. The passage about the desire to become pregnant so your newborn will love you unconditionally is just simply heartbreaking!!! :'(
Quote from: tommys67 on June 19, 2008, 02:34:36 PM
Like so many societal ills, this one is economic in nature. When a youngster's options are truly limited, even bad options start being considered.
If that town is breaking up families because of the collapse of the US fishing industry (and thus people travel to find work or just give up to find fortune elsewhere) it stands to reason that the kids to feel abandoned, and perhaps unloved. The passage about the desire to become pregnant so your newborn will love you unconditionally is just simply heartbreaking!!! :'(
While intertwined, I would say that this is one of emotional poverty rather than financial poverty. Plenty of poor kids grow up loved and don't end up doing stuff like this.
Quote from: tommys67 on June 19, 2008, 02:34:36 PM
------------snip-------------
The passage about the desire to become pregnant so your newborn will love you unconditionally is just simply heartbreaking!!! :'(
Keep in mind that this is a quote from a teenager, not an adult.
wow. that's make the beast with two backsed up. :P
(yup. all i've got is obvious observations. nothing to see here, move along...)
Quote from: Speeddog on June 19, 2008, 03:19:00 PM
Keep in mind that this is a quote from a teenager, not an adult.
Right, but think about that: in order to get unconditional love (her words), she has to get pregnant? Talk about a cry for help/love/acceptance! Man. :'(
We're not gonna make it are we? People I mean.
Quote from: Smiling End on June 19, 2008, 04:21:29 PM
We're not gonna make it are we? People I mean.
it is in your nature to destroy yourselves.
It sure seems that the parents of these girls took no interest in the lives of their daughters. My five year old knows how important family is and that Mom and Dad are always in her corner.
Rob
*sigh* I am so gonna wind up banned. :-\
There's little way around this, so I'm just gonna put it out there...
I found agape love (real love).
Anybody else can too.
His name is Christ.
You don't need to have a baby in order to find someone to love you.
Sorry for violating the religion rule, but I felt the above observation needed to be made.
(anyone who reads my screen name should've seen that one coming from a mile away)
On a non-religious front: it obviously did not occur to any of these girls that one needs to have a sense of self-worth BEFORE one can inspire the same feeling in one's offspring. And, if you really love your offspring, you'll want to raise them to be well-founded.
This is the problem with the "pool of fools" mentality. You isolate a bunch of people of the same age all day every day, and this is one of the many problems you get. Age integration is a necessity. Whether it's through Big Brother/Big Sister, or home education, or some other form of adult interaction... kids need to have friends and role models of a variety of ages. An age-segregated school system, which is encouraged by a society that views age segregation as "normal", will have certain inherent problems, such as the one in this news story.
Age integration. We need it.
(DISCLAIMER: This is all my personal opinion, which has been formed by a combination of real-world observation, personal experience, and being taught by those who are considerably wiser than myself. Take it with a grain of salt, and filtered through the lens of your own worldview.)
People can point the finger at the parents all day and say they are no good or they are doing a crappy job raising their kids, you can say they should spend more time with them, educating them etc. but at the same time expect them to work full time and stay away from social welfare.
I guess my point is that parents have an incredibly difficult time reversing the effects of society. A society which has somehow got us to this point where 17 girls thought it would be fun to get pregnant.
Then again, I'm probably full of shit. Oh and Gloucester is hardly reeling from a lack of the fishing industry as the author would have you believe. There are a number of alternative industires located throughout the area. The author has watched "A perfect Storm" a few too many times and should try venturing a mile from the touristed waterfront.
"fiercely Catholic enclave".
where were these type of girls in Sunday school? [evil]
Billy Joel is gonna have to re-write the song.
Quote from: BibleBoy on June 19, 2008, 07:48:13 PM
*sigh* I am so gonna wind up banned. :-\
There's little way around this, so I'm just gonna put it out there...
I found agape love (real love).
Anybody else can too.
His name is Christ.
You don't need to have a baby in order to find someone to love you.
Sorry for violating the religion rule, but I felt the above observation needed to be made.
(anyone who reads my screen name should've seen that one coming from a mile away)
If I can go off on a few tangents about being an Atheist, you shouldn't have any problems 8)
Although... anything further and we should take it to the Politics Forum [leo]
It`s official the worlds gone bad, and it`s not global warmings fault >:(
Al Gore's Fault.
Wow.... a lot of great responses to the article. It is nice to see that we still have people passionate about things around here. It was getting too quiet. If only the parents of those girls were as passionate about life as you all are. Things might be different in the world. [thumbsup]
I do agree with gage that parents have a very difficult job to do in this day and age. I am 24 and childless and I cannot imagine how stressful it must be sometimes, trying to guide them down the right path.
I do still feel however that in a lot of situations like these, parental guidence was definitely lacking somewhere down the line. The school trying to make contraceptives more accessible would simply be putting a bandaid on a much more serious problem. I'm sure it is also difficult to be working long hours to make ends meet in addition to raising an intelligent, self respecting teenager, but I have noticed that in a lot of cases, even when the parents are there they are not actually present.
What I'd like to know is, why didn't the school look into things sooner? When the school clinic is administering hundreds of pregnancy tests, that should definitely throw some flags. I don't know about you guys, but I find that little factiod rather alarming. If I were a parent of a child that attended that school and that information got out, I'd be totally bullshit about it.
Quote from: hangin_biposto on June 20, 2008, 07:45:24 AM
What I'd like to know is, why didn't the school look into things sooner? When the school clinic is administering hundreds of pregnancy tests, that should definitely throw some flags. I don't know about you guys, but I find that little factiod rather alarming. If I were a parent of a child that attended that school and that information got out, I'd be totally bullshit about it.
+1
I was more than a little dumb-founded when I read that the school hadn't done something (like notify parents, or send out a community alert - anything) when they noticed the increase in pregancy tests being administered.
I also agree with the point that has been made a few times here. Raising kids in today's economic and social climate is not easy. Most families require both parents to work in order to sustain themselves. However, having children is a choice, and if you aren't willing to make the time to spend with your kids maybe you should think twice about having them in the first place. People are selfish, and that doesn't make for a good parent.
I agree about informing the parents and urging other parents to talk and educate their children about the issue, but if the parents aren't concerned in the first place how much would it really help.
Quote from: Pakhan on June 20, 2008, 08:28:00 AM
I agree about informing the parents and urging other parents to talk and educate their children about the issue, but if the parents aren't concerned in the first place how much would it really help.
This is true.
It's a sad statement about our society, that's for sure.
Quote from: Kyna on June 20, 2008, 08:13:10 AM
+1
I was more than a little dumb-founded when I read that the school hadn't done something (like notify parents, or send out a community alert - anything) when they noticed the increase in pregancy tests being administered.
I also agree with the point that has been made a few times here. Raising kids in today's economic and social climate is not easy. Most families require both parents to work in order to sustain themselves. However, having children is a choice, and if you aren't willing to make the time to spend with your kids maybe you should think twice about having them in the first place. People are selfish, and that doesn't make for a good parent.
The schools are in no way obligated to notify anyone; more likely, the Education Establishment embraces these children's "ability" to make "adult choices" and "explore" their sexuality.
What I have noticed, more and more, is that children are having children. By this, I don't mean teenagers having children, but grown up adults who are, as Kyna alluded, too self-absorbed and selfish to make the sacrifices and hard decisions that are necessary to raising children. The people that I come in contact with who say, "damn, you have kids and your life is over..blah, blah, blah," are prime examples of this. I could go on.
Quote from: Sinister on June 20, 2008, 08:56:33 AM
What I have noticed, more and more, is that children are having children. By this, I don't mean teenagers having children, but grown up adults who are, as Kyna alluded, too self-absorbed and selfish to make the sacrifices and hard decisions that are necessary to raising children. The people that I come in contact with who say, "damn, you have kids and your life is over..blah, blah, blah," are prime examples of this. I could go on.
So true.
I understand that the educational system is in no way obligated to notify anyone of what goes on in their student clinics. I guess I just see it as more of a moral obligation to make sure that the students under their wing are making healthy choices and are being informed about the consequences of their actions.
But then again, you start talking about morals in the school system and someone will start a riot over people's rights and who's place it is to teach morals, and parents would get pissed about the school trying to steer their kids even though they are probably lacking direction at home and blah blah blah... what a mess.
A lot of these kids just don't realize that a child isn't like a puppy that you can just return to the shelter if it doesn't work out.
i dont' see anything wrong with what these kids did.
they followed the traditional mantra being taught today.. which is, think of yourself and only yourself don't care about society or the greater good, bc well i'm an individual everyone else be damned bc i can do what i want.
say that isn't true? bs, you know it is, anytime somone here says that they want to make someone else make a sacrifice or such, they come back with, "its my decision, to heck with you, its a free country i can afford to do what i want, so go back to your own cave and shut up"
so really what you should be saying is that these kids did what they want, and whne somehting goes wrong too bad its their problem not yours. afterall its the american way.
Quote from: sbrguy on June 20, 2008, 10:03:46 AM
i dont' see anything wrong with what these kids did.
they followed the traditional mantra being taught today.. which is, think of yourself and only yourself don't care about society or the greater good, bc well i'm an individual everyone else be damned bc i can do what i want.
say that isn't true? bs, you know it is, anytime somone here says that they want to make someone else make a sacrifice or such, they come back with, "its my decision, to heck with you, its a free country i can afford to do what i want, so go back to your own cave and shut up"
so really what you should be saying is that these kids did what they want, and whne somehting goes wrong too bad its their problem not yours. afterall its the american way.
True. The real problem is that we have suspended evolution and perhaps even reversed it. Normally, people like this would die off from the gene pool but instead the responsible people are shrinking in numbers as we foot the bill.
Quote from: silentbob on June 20, 2008, 10:13:04 AM
True. The real problem is that we have suspended evolution and perhaps even reversed it. Normally, people like this would die off from the gene pool but instead the responsible people are shrinking in numbers as we foot the bill.
i'm glad that you picked up on my bit of sarcasm in my original remark, this is an interesting debate.
no i would say that it is improving evolution here is why.. these people by any means will not be the "leaders of society" bc of lack of good judgement be part of the working or poor class...
those that can skirt the rules and work to get ahead by any means will be the ones with money and power, the ones that will truly have "all the stuff".. now in order to make this all work you have to have the lemmings that work to make society work, these are those folks that will do this.. also since they will not be able to afford better health care and such they will probably die off faster than someone with the means to afford better health care.
think of it, you really don't want a complete society of well educated people with good judgement and such that are all white collar workers, who is going to be the janitor then? you need a lower class in any society to essentially "do the dirty work that you don't want to do".. its the little secret that nobody really wants to admit bc its "so politically incorrect" to say you want some people to be poor and work for a lower wage.
which gets back to the main point of society's view of "watch out for yourself and only yourself".. think of it this way, politicians say "we need to send soldiers off to war" yet they have no kids of their own in the infantry willign to die, if you want to win something, if you get caught cheating you are villified, if you dont' get caught its called "being cunning and inventive" or "if you aren't cheating you aren't trying".
now can you have charitable things happen? yes but i say its bc people do it for self serving reasons, ie, to feel good about themselves, if they believe in a diety of sorts to make sure that they don't go to a bad place after death again bc thye are "buying" their way to the good place... etc.
we are all greedy and out for ourselves that is why i can understand why people do stupid and selfish things.
Quote from: sbrguy on June 20, 2008, 10:03:46 AM
so really what you should be saying is that these kids did what they want, and whne somehting goes wrong too bad its their problem not yours. afterall its the american way.
Letting people do what they want is all well and good... when the only ones who will be affected are the individuals themselves. How fair is it to these children? The babies are the ones who will really lose out on the deal. If the girls already come from financially (and emotionally) strained families, I highly doubt they will be in the position to effectively care for these kids on their own. Oh... wait... they're going to help each other. And hell, there's always welfare.
If these girls wanted to go whore it up day in and day out, fine with me. That's their deal. But take a make the beast with two backsing pill. Wrap that shit up. This society doesn't need to support any more bastard babies or their emotionally unstable mothers.
Of course, genetics probably play a role in my position towards nurturing the young.
Damn ovaries...
I'll step out and say that these kids need to be removed from the gene pool, what a bunch of dipshits!
Between working with the public in both emergency situations with the fire department and a retail setting as well, I have come to the conclusion that a person can be smart but people when put together in as a group they are about as smart as a box of rocks [bang]
Just gives me all the more reason to hate people...
Quote from: Kyna on June 20, 2008, 08:13:10 AM
Most families require both parents to work in order to sustain themselves.
Require? I don't think so. There is no doubt that some families need both parents working just to get by, but not most. Most "need" that Suburban, and Starbucks every day, and the big flat screen TV, and that boat, and motorcycle, and ATVs, and to go out to eat every other night...blah blah blah. I don't let people off the hook that easy. My wife stays home with our kids, and we made some tough decisions in the beginning to make it happen. Most people are too selfish to make hard choices, so they justify it in many different ways.
I wonder about the soon-to-be-fathers in this situation. The article mentions that one of the father's is a 24yo homeless man, which I guess implies that the others are high school boys. I feel a bit bad for those boys. Don't get me wrong, I realize they aren't blameless. They chose to have unprotected sex. Birth control isn't entirely the woman's job, but damn. Those guys are forever going to be connect to these idiotic girls. They didn't enter into a pact to all be dads together and I would predict they weren't all high-5ing when they got the news.
It's hard for me to understand why some girls feel that having a baby will give them someone who will love them unconditionally. I was a teenage girl once upon a time and did some completely irrational things (thankfully I've out grown this trait ;) ) but never did I think that having a baby would help my life at that age.
Teenage boys use their heads, but not the rational ones...
Quote from: Kyna on June 20, 2008, 11:54:13 AM
It's hard for me to understand why some girls feel that having a baby will give them someone who will love them unconditionally. I was a teenage girl once upon a time and did some completely irrational things (thankfully I've out grown this trait ;) ) but never did I think that having a baby would help my life at that age.
+1
Quote from: hangin_biposto on June 20, 2008, 12:00:10 PM
Teenage boys use their heads, but not the rational ones...
Only teenage boys think with that head??? I know I have done some pretty dumb shit for sex...
Quote from: Count Desmo on June 20, 2008, 11:44:39 AM
Require? I don't think so. There is no doubt that some families need both parents working just to get by, but not most.
I wasn't trying to let people off the hook, honest! Require may have been too strong a word. I was just acknolweding that children are expensive. I only hope to be in a position where the man I marry can stay home with our kids. But living in a decent neighborhood where your kids can play outside and not have to worry about cars etc, that's not cheap. Saving up so your kid can go to college and NOT be in debt for the rest of their life, having something to retire...life is expensive and in my opinion those are not frivilous things to be spending money on. I don't see that as being a selfish reason to have both parents working and IMO those are hard things to do on a single income.
Quote from: oregunduc on June 20, 2008, 12:04:44 PM
Only teenage boys think with that head??? I know I have done some pretty dumb shit for sex...
I was trying to give guys a
little bit of credit ;)
Horny girls do dumb shit too. Ask me how I know.
Quote from: hangin_biposto on June 20, 2008, 12:18:31 PM
I was trying to give guys a little bit of credit ;)
That right there is the first mistake [laugh]
Quote from: hangin_biposto on June 20, 2008, 12:18:31 PM
Horny girls do dumb shit too. Ask me how I know.
Do tell [popcorn]
i'm going to guess it involves a game called "just the tip"
Quote from: Kyna on June 20, 2008, 12:12:00 PM
I only hope to be in a position where the man I marry can stay home with our kids.
Ya got things turned around there, a bit, sweetie. ;)
Quote from: Sinister on June 20, 2008, 12:43:21 PM
Ya got things turned around there, a bit, sweetie. ;)
You think so? I have no problem bringing home the bacon, I just hope my man can cook it.
Quote from: hangin_biposto on June 20, 2008, 10:37:27 AM
Letting people do what they want is all well and good... when the only ones who will be affected are the individuals themselves. How fair is it to these children? The babies are the ones who will really lose out on the deal. If the girls already come from financially (and emotionally) strained families, I highly doubt they will be in the position to effectively care for these kids on their own. Oh... wait... they're going to help each other. And hell, there's always welfare.
If these girls wanted to go whore it up day in and day out, fine with me. That's their deal. But take a make the beast with two backsing pill. Wrap that shit up. This society doesn't need to support any more bastard babies or their emotionally unstable mothers.
Of course, genetics probably play a role in my position towards nurturing the young.
Damn ovaries...
haha.. i agree when consequences affect other people for your actions that is not a good thing, but really, again we come back to the standard "i do what i want when i want bc its a free country, i don't care if you dont' like it, but i do what i want bc its good for me and my family"
simple reasoning is this with suv cars, people that have them say "for proection in an accident, to protect my kids, etc".. now you hit someone in a midsized sedan car with that 6000lb suburban you kill their kids but yours is ok.. you say "too bad so sad". you may not have needed a surban or tahoe to transport your 2 kids to soccer practice, your parents didn't in the 70s, but now we all say "i have to look out for my interests only.. if i kill someone else or hurt someone else so be it, i dont care, i have to protect myself and my family bc everyone else is doing it"
we all justify our own self insterests, i do it too.
but i will agree these girls are ignorant in their thinking and need some serious psychological counseling help.
and people are right, when you get a bunch of people togethr in a big group you normally have people acting even more stupid than they normally do bc of the mob mentality.
where were these loose type of girls when i was in high school?
Quote from: Kyna on June 20, 2008, 12:57:06 PM
You think so? I have no problem bringing home the bacon, I just hope my man can cook it.
It works for some, but women/mommies are better nurturers. Men hunt shit and provide. I'm just saying.
Quote from: sbrguy on June 20, 2008, 01:09:17 PM
simple reasoning is this with suv cars, people that have them say "for proection in an accident, to protect my kids, etc".. now you hit someone in a midsized sedan car with that 6000lb suburban you kill their kids but yours is ok.. you say "too bad so sad". you may not have needed a surban or tahoe to transport your 2 kids to soccer practice, your parents didn't in the 70s, but now we all say "i have to look out for my interests only.. if i kill someone else or hurt someone else so be it, i dont care, i have to protect myself and my family bc everyone else is doing it"
have you looked at a 76 lincoln vs a 76 datsun???? people may not have been driving suvs but many of the cars people drove were tanks that I would gladly sit in and go head to head with a modern suv in.
Quote from: Kyna on June 20, 2008, 12:57:06 PM
You think so? I have no problem bringing home the bacon, I just hope my man can cook it.
I
love bacon!
Are you hiring?
[laugh]
Adam
Quote from: DrDesmosedici on June 20, 2008, 01:34:41 PM
I love bacon!
Are you hiring?
[laugh]
Adam
depends, how well do you make bacon? And are you going to make me wash the dishes afterward?
Quote from: Kyna on June 20, 2008, 01:41:29 PM
depends, how well do you make bacon? And are you going to make me wash the dishes afterward?
Which kind of "making bacon" are we talking about? [laugh]
Adam
Quote from: DrDesmosedici on June 20, 2008, 02:07:03 PM
Which kind of "making bacon" are we talking about? [laugh]
Adam
so you only do one well? That's unfortunate. :-[
I am the master of all things bacon. ;)
Quote from: Kyna on June 20, 2008, 12:12:00 PM
Saving up so your kid can go to college and NOT be in debt for the rest of their life...
Not sure I agree with this bit here. I financed 100% of my engineering degree myself, no loans whatsoever. It took me six years to afford to do so, but I did it. And I worked my ass off, lived like a rat the whole time, never went anywhere on Spring Break, etc. Best of all, you know what? I wouldn't go back and change it because it built more character and integrity than you can imagine. And that is missing in spades in today's younguns.
Quote from: Sinister on June 20, 2008, 12:43:21 PM
Ya got things turned around there, a bit, sweetie. ;)
Well, it sure beats being stuck in the middle of last century. ;)
Quote from: Speedbag on June 20, 2008, 03:14:20 PM
I am the master of all things bacon. ;)
Not sure I agree with this bit here. I financed 100% of my engineering degree myself, no loans whatsoever. It took me six years to afford to do so, but I did it. And I worked my ass off, lived like a rat the whole time, never went anywhere on Spring Break, etc. Best of all, you know what? I wouldn't go back and change it because it built more character and integrity than you can imagine. And that is missing in spades in today's younguns.
And if the cost of tuition wasn't increasing at the rate it is now I might agree with you. In 1982 when my uncle graduated from the same university I attended it was $75 a credit. When I was there it was $700, that was only a few years ago and already it's up to over $1,000. I was lucky that I got a scholarship and could afford to pay the difference on my own by working. It would have taken me well over 6 years to pay as I went.
Education is one of the most valuable things we can give our children because no one can take it away from them. I agree that young people need to learn the value of hard work, but that should start long before they head off to university.
Quote from: Kyna on June 20, 2008, 02:38:45 PM
so you only do one well? That's unfortunate. :-[
Hey, I can always learn how to cook!!! [wine]
Adam
PS: No, but seriously, I'm pretty good at breakfasty foods ;D
Quote from: Speedbag on June 20, 2008, 03:14:20 PM
I am the master of all things bacon. ;)
Not sure I agree with this bit here. I financed 100% of my engineering degree myself, no loans whatsoever. It took me six years to afford to do so, but I did it. And I worked my ass off, lived like a rat the whole time, never went anywhere on Spring Break, etc. Best of all, you know what? I wouldn't go back and change it because it built more character and integrity than you can imagine. And that is missing in spades in today's younguns.
i have to agree with other posters here, the cost of college unless you went within the past 5 years has gotten more and more expnesive, now i know you will say, "it was expensive when i went" but the cost of college is now outpacing the normal rates of inflation so its not like when you went back in the day if it was 10-20 years ago. if you are lucky enough to get into a private school you are looking at upwards of 25-30k dollars a year for tuitiion, i don't know about you but a kid fresh out of high school won't have that type of money to spend a year even with working jobs, at least not easily at all.
the work ethic kids have or don't have is highly dependent i think on how parents raised their kids, you can have hard working kids that didn't have to work through college that know the value of an honest work day.
the problem i think is that too many parents "give their kids the best" right off the bat thinking its good for them, in a sense the parents work hard so that their kids can have better than they did and in the process teach their kids the concept of "entitlement" bc parents justify it as "i'm giving them the best i can" no you aren't if you are just throwing money at the situation or making up excuses why you are making their lives easier and easier.
example parents that gie their kid as a first car a 1 or 2 year old or new bmw or mercedes or honda, bc they got good grades and justifying it as "well i want a safe car for them".... how in the world do you expect a kid to learn the value of money and things if you give them a 20-30k dollar car as their first car? wtf? what ever happened to a kid getting the piece of junk 1000 dollar car that barely runs that they have to work for and such?
but that is unacceptable bc everyone "wants to give them the best".. and you wonder why kids feel so entitled.
Quote from: sbrguy on June 20, 2008, 10:34:40 PM
i have to agree with other posters here, the cost of college unless you went within the past 5 years has gotten more and more expnesive, now i know you will say, "it was expensive when i went" but the cost of college is now outpacing the normal rates of inflation so its not like when you went back in the day if it was 10-20 years ago. if you are lucky enough to get into a private school you are looking at upwards of 25-30k dollars a year for tuitiion, i don't know about you but a kid fresh out of high school won't have that type of money to spend a year even with working jobs, at least not easily at all.
the work ethic kids have or don't have is highly dependent i think on how parents raised their kids, you can have hard working kids that didn't have to work through college that know the value of an honest work day.
the problem i think is that too many parents "give their kids the best" right off the bat thinking its good for them, in a sense the parents work hard so that their kids can have better than they did and in the process teach their kids the concept of "entitlement" bc parents justify it as "i'm giving them the best i can" no you aren't if you are just throwing money at the situation or making up excuses why you are making their lives easier and easier.
example parents that gie their kid as a first car a 1 or 2 year old or new bmw or mercedes or honda, bc they got good grades and justifying it as "well i want a safe car for them".... how in the world do you expect a kid to learn the value of money and things if you give them a 20-30k dollar car as their first car? wtf? what ever happened to a kid getting the piece of junk 1000 dollar car that barely runs that they have to work for and such?
but that is unacceptable bc everyone "wants to give them the best".. and you wonder why kids feel so entitled.
The same thing brought down the Italian mob. Second and third generation spoiled rich kids raised in the US who would roll over on their bosses to avoid a little time.
Quote from: sbrguy on June 20, 2008, 10:34:40 PM
if you are lucky enough to get into a private school you are looking at upwards of 25-30k dollars a year for tuitiion,
$35-40K.Vanderbilt, Emory, Southern Methodist as examples.
Quote from: sbrguy on June 20, 2008, 10:34:40 PM
i have to agree with other posters here, the cost of college unless you went within the past 5 years has gotten more and more expnesive, now i know you will say, "it was expensive when i went" but the cost of college is now outpacing the normal rates of inflation so its not like when you went back in the day if it was 10-20 years ago. if you are lucky enough to get into a private school you are looking at upwards of 25-30k dollars a year for tuitiion, i don't know about you but a kid fresh out of high school won't have that type of money to spend a year even with working jobs, at least not easily at all.
the work ethic kids have or don't have is highly dependent i think on how parents raised their kids, you can have hard working kids that didn't have to work through college that know the value of an honest work day.
the problem i think is that too many parents "give their kids the best" right off the bat thinking its good for them, in a sense the parents work hard so that their kids can have better than they did and in the process teach their kids the concept of "entitlement" bc parents justify it as "i'm giving them the best i can" no you aren't if you are just throwing money at the situation or making up excuses why you are making their lives easier and easier.
example parents that gie their kid as a first car a 1 or 2 year old or new bmw or mercedes or honda, bc they got good grades and justifying it as "well i want a safe car for them".... how in the world do you expect a kid to learn the value of money and things if you give them a 20-30k dollar car as their first car? wtf? what ever happened to a kid getting the piece of junk 1000 dollar car that barely runs that they have to work for and such?
but that is unacceptable bc everyone "wants to give them the best".. and you wonder why kids feel so entitled.
I agree 300%. And, yes, education is the absolute best thing a parent could give a child, assuming said child follows through.
For the record, I graduated in 1993 (with a 3.4 GPA). College is
waaaay more expensive now relative to other things, but my main point was the whole entitlement/personal responsibility aspect.
I started saving for college when I was an early teen because I watched my folks scrape by growing up. I knew I was going to have to go to school in order for life to be better for me and also knew that they would/could not pony up the jing to send me. My folks
did give me my first vehicle, a rusted-out '72 Ford F100 that cost $500.
From there on if it was to be, it was up to me. :)