Ducati Monster Forum

We've got a new filter setup on the way for the M696/796/1100. It allows the absolute most airflow from the standard airbox. It is a combination of the already existing top filter (circular) and the soon to be released supplemental filter (with red anodized aluminum frame in image). Anyhow, if someone is planning a run to the dyno soon and has the ability to tune their bike I'll send you a free set of both filters if you do a before/after run.

Before = original intake, FI tuned for best results.
After = MWR intake, FI tuned for best results.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6170/6173256680_437011754d_b.jpg)

 I wish this had been out a couple of days ago, Not that I like being the guinea pig for anything but I would have volunteered my 796 for this- As it sits now, it is in the process of being moved and I am soon to follow it out to Colorado. BTW, what will the proposed/Ballpark going price of this setup if it works out.

Good luck on the move to CO - great state!

The first part of the kit is $115 and is here: http://www.mota-lab.com/mwr-ducati-monster-6967961100-air-filter-kit-p-392.html (http://www.mota-lab.com/mwr-ducati-monster-6967961100-air-filter-kit-p-392.html)

The second part doesn't have a definite price yet (will early next week), but around $70.

I'm planning on getting the first part of this kit before I bring my m1100s in for service. I had my bike dynoed in stock form (except cored pipes). But since then I've put a full exhaust, dp filter + air box, and flashed ecu. I've got dyno numbers for each mod ( but not tuned).
I'd love to test it out, but my new service guy doesn't have a dyno. And I'm not going back to my old shop. [thumbsdown]

Voice inflection does not come across as desired in a post so let me say this up front; I am NOT flaming but rather asking a question I don't know the answer to.

Why would one do this as opposed to velocity stacks? If they both require a dyno tune why not eliminate the airbox all together?

Does this option offer you increased air flow while maintaining the features of an air filter?


Mark

It's a fair question.

The theory (although I'd say it's reality) is that while pods / velo stacks may 'flow' more air than an airbox, an airbox works better because it's drawing air into the intakes from a source of still, non-turbulent air.

You'll notice modern racers don't run pods, they run giant airboxes.

So "really well breathing airbox > Pods / velo stacks'

You are absolutely right on this account and it never crossed my mind before you said it!

Mark

AND it's the same thing I've been saying all along. The pods are great for the dyno, but at speed... no way they can draw in more air as they don't have the sucking power to overcome 100+ mph disturbed air flowing past them.

Even still, this setup still doesn't solve the issue of the stupid vertical filter stuck right into the middle of the airbox, which disturbs the smooth flow going into the bell mouths of the intake.

My opinion...
To consider the ideal setup for your bike you need to look at you usage.... the problem with airboxes on aggressively cammed engines is that at low engine speed the intake and exhaust valve overlap can contribute to "dirty air" in the air box... that is semi burnt exhaust fumes contaminate the air in the airbox contributing to the erratic low engine running... as engine speed increases and the exhaust scavenges better the air box cleans up, or as some people say the engine gets on cam, alternately it can be said to be poor low end performance... as race bikes aren't interested in low engine speed they can optimise the airbox design. Me I am a big advocate for street use of separate throttles / pods. You may remember our brother Ungeheur commenting on how impressed he was with low end performance and how linear the engine felt after pod installation...sure you can lose some of the ram effect at high end of increased airflow into a well designed airbox, but how often are you flying down a road at 200 + compared to pulling away from traffic lights or out of corners? so I feel it is always a bit of a trade off. 


just my 2 cents worth...

I regularly ride near or above triple digits, and live in a quite wet climate here in Germany. Pods really aren't an option.

Most people don't regularly run at 100+ mph, especially on a monster.

I've noticed with pods huge amounts of power increase at 65+ mph at above 6500rpm. Bike pulls incredibly harder than it did before pod filters... Plus the filters made around 5-6hp at the wheels, and that's on a 696....

However I wouldn't be opposed to trying both options.... But there is the theory that the airbox with a different filter might provide more hp, and there is factual evidence that pod filters do

I'd be more than willing to try pods vs airbox vs mwr kit...  Flashed ecu/power commander V/autotune/dyno 15 min away

again, on the dyno... it's all different. you need airspeed to show true hp while on the road.

on the dyno I would expect the pods to show more hp, then the mwr

but  you are right at wind speeds in the normal stateside range, pods may be better.
is there a difference with the rain covers on or off?

Love my pods.  But I'd be thown in jail for 100mph+ riding.  These keep the rain out >> http://www.outerwearsracing.com/proddetail.asp?prod=876811 (http://www.outerwearsracing.com/proddetail.asp?prod=876811)

I second DoWorkSon's nomination as MWR airbox Guinea Pig  [thumbsup]

not that my butt-dyno can detect.

 [popcorn]
That certainly is a strange air box design, I suppose due to limited space.
Surely a modification to open the top and run a panel filter would be beneficial, I suppose the original design does not lend itself to it. The next best thing is run pods with a well designed velocity stack.

Anyone have any backround info re this?

I'd do it but I'm not aware of a dyno anywhere close that can tune a siemens ecu. I'm sure i could get a before and after with stock, my MWR, and the new option all using my current reflash though.

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I would volunteer mine (monster 1100 evo) but its bone stock. no ecu to program. Unless you want stock vs aftermarket intake w/o tuning.

pick up a Powercommander V
then you are a perfect candidate IMO

If there was a closer dyno to use it would have loved to get a stock v. Pods v. Mwr v2. 

I wish I understood airflow and airbox design better,  it always sounds as though building an airbox around the pods would be ideal.

In my lack of knowledge on the subject,  i consider the tiny flow channels between the tank covers and airbox as a huge drain on potential.   It would be sweet if evr or the like would do a bigger cf airbox, as they do for the sf sbk and other models.

well. If its worth it I can. I'm new to monster so still reading about performance upgrades...

The power commander/autotune was a great mod... Bike runs so smooth and strong now. Plus, no matter what changes you make to bike(filter/exhaust/engine) the bike will adjust for best performance...

sound good. what do you ride?

A 696

Check out my sig   :)

The simplest answer is that this kit is less than 1/2 the price and will most likely delivery 3/4 or more of the performance. That's what we've seen with other kits from MWR. This hasn't been tested yet so can't say for certain about the gains, just the price. The weight difference isn't going to matter to anyone with a Monster.  ;)

I've got a guy volunteering who has a 796 and Bazzaz. I'll still offer the same to a 696 and 1100 owner so we can have some more results to analyze.

What you're doing is great. Looking forward to seeing the results.

hi, how can I contact you?

Do you have to cut the top of the airbox to fit the new, secondary filter?

info@mota-lab.com

No, you just pop those plastic covers out. I've got an install pdf that I'll post once I have a chance to upload it.

Really? Looks like mine is one piece?

Yep really... see the instructions here (http://www.ducatiperformance.com/downloads/instructions/mwr-696-1100-power-up-kit.pdf).

OOO.  I like the "You Need Some Force comment.  I'll definitiely take a longer look at it later.


If no one provides an 1100 for testing within a month or so, I'll see if I can get back to the tuner.

Yeah, you have to pop it out... they heat seal the box pieces together so they are attached very firmly.

I might be able to get a dyno run this weekend,  however I don't have a stock filter / filter cover.   Anyone got a spare loaner?

I'm waiting on confirmation of dyno time,  im not definite yet

thanks, already emailed

I would be happy to provide a 1100, only problem is I am deployed at this time and going back home in December, so, guessing time is an issue I think I'm pretty much out  :(
Also looking at this item with much interest! I have almost chosen the exhaust, will opt for flashed ECU with DP mapping.

Probably the best option would be this MWR system with a new airbox top custom made to get the ram air flow to both the central air filter and the front panel filter, you would have both the benefits of ram intake and increased filter surface...
There is a guy here in Italy trying to do that in cf, but only for himself unfortunately, doesen't have the means to produce it large scale. :(

find out more, it sounds intriguing.

better still, have him post up  his findings and process
pictures

I would like to talk to him. I had a similar idea and need a producer of a demo.

I know it sounds exiting, but this guy isn't any close to a pro manufacturee, just him and a friend of his who works cf fiddling in a garage, so don't really know how long it could take and how much time he can spend on it...
I will keep you updated though!
I actually can't believe anyone has made a high performance air box for this bike, anyone with the right machines could easily make a whole new box with ram air intakes between the trellis side gaps with internal velocity stocks and a vertical panel filter...
Bet that would push some performance!

sort of like the SF is what you are thinking.

I have an idea that is a bit different, more internal volume, cleaner air for the trumpets, etc. but I just need a prototype. I can find a manufacturer once I have that.

Sounds fun!
I hope we can soon see the dynos for this MWR system! [popcorn]