Grab your [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]!!
Yesterday's CAM newb was a spectacular time. Thought I'd post some of the video. Here's the first installment during which I redecorated the cheap side of the Daytona. [bang]
Getting a knee on the CAM newb ride Oct 1, 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiCItyKM5ao#)
Bike is a little roughed up cosmetically on the cockpit fairing and the tail fairing has a shaved spot on the corner. The frame slider and swingwarm spool mostly did their job, but the left engine case ended up with some gouges.
Otherwise, my gear did it's job so I'm ok. Spent some time at urgent care this morning to rule out a foot fracture. Still not sure how I hurt the right foot given I went down on the left side, but that mother hurts!
glad you are okay....did you touch the front brake a lil more or were trailbraking a lil too long when you added the additional turning input to make it give? ( basing off the speedo reading and deceleration before the front tucked)...and your right foot probably got slammed into the peg when you went down in some way, as a plausible explanation
So is that what east coast riding is about? Maybe it's a good thing I don't have a bike right now ;D
Oh, and glad yer ok [thumbsup]
glad to hear you're ok Jim. Does this mean that the S2R1K will be your main squeeze again?
We untweaked the forks (hopefully) in the garage before the PM ride and all seemed well other than some rash. How's the shoulder and chest feeling Jim?
BTW, getting a knee down doesnt usually involve the entire left side of your body making contact...
Quote from: zooom on October 02, 2011, 12:27:39 PM
glad you are okay....did you touch the front brake a lil more or were trailbraking a lil too long when you added the additional turning input to make it give? ( basing off the speedo reading and deceleration before the front tucked)...and your right foot probably got slammed into the peg when you went down in some way, as a plausible explanation
probably trail braking too long/much combined with a perfect storm of cool weather, intermittent rain, and a front tire at the wear bars. I'd planned to replace the tire in the next couple of weeks, but thought it'd be ok for a bit longer.
Quote from: jebus tristos on October 02, 2011, 01:47:59 PM
So is that what east coast riding is about? Maybe it's a good thing I don't have a bike right now ;D
Oh, and glad yer ok [thumbsup]
I'd blame it on DRKWNG, but he wasn't even there. ;D You should definitely get this no bike thing sorted out soon!
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on October 02, 2011, 02:39:51 PM
glad to hear you're ok Jim. Does this mean that the S2R1K will be your main squeeze again?
Nah, just means there's 3 uglies in the mix: the S2R, the 675 and me. ;D The bike is fine, some cosmetic scrapes, but nothing serious. Rode the rest of the way to Balmer and then for a bit with Artful, Lars and BikePilot before heading home in the snow from the Arctic Circle. Already trolling the intarwebz for replacement parts...
PS A special thanks to Ted and Josh with moral support from Lars for helping me sort out the tweaked steering so I could ride with the clipons equidistant from myself.
Quote from: Artful on October 02, 2011, 02:58:21 PM
We untweaked the forks (hopefully) in the garage before the PM ride and all seemed well other than some rash. How's the shoulder and chest feeling Jim?
BTW, getting a knee down doesnt usually involve the entire left side of your body making contact...
But I saw the new supermoto craze of dragging handlebars and figured I'd give it a try on the Daytona. Forks are good I think. Chest and shoulder are good to go (well maybe shoulder is a bit tender but better than yesterday), but the foot sucks...not broken, just a hella sprain.
(http://images.wikia.com/mrmen/images/2/2c/Mr._Bounce.jpg)
Heal up.
Sorry to hear about -- and see -- your spill, Jim! Heal up good.
Any accident you can walk away on your own legs is a "good" one! [thumbsup]
Bummer Jim.
That day was a perfect storm sorta day with the weather. Also, traffic circles are trickier than you'd might think. Walk one on foot one time, you'll see a lot of oil and diesel slop.
I hope you're feeling better.
Trailbraking in the cold / wet navigating a traffic circle? I thought it was supposed to be a newb ride? Oh wait...
[evil]
(glad you're OK)
Sorry to hear about the foot, but glad the rest of you is doing well [thumbsup]
Watching the video it looks like the front wheel bounced off the curb, I hadn't realized that before. It may be worth putting a straight-edge against the forks to make sure all is straight -- I suspect it is, but curbs can be nasty.
From the vid it also looks like you went into the corner considerably faster than did Lars and I (admittedly its difficult to compare speed from a vid to what it felt like from atop the buell-couch). Anyway, I had a great time riding with y'all ;D
Posting by phone and having wine, (I'll watch vid tomorrow), but if we (collectively as a group) have anyone crash on the street, especially under a "newbie ride" sort of title, let's get together over beers and figure out what we should do in terms of track classes together and/or changing the group street rides.
I'd like cam to be the best riders around and welcoming of any level riders to get better and encourage new folks.
Quote from: Statler on October 03, 2011, 07:17:34 PM
Posting by phone and having wine, (I'll watch vid tomorrow), but if we (collectively as a group) have anyone crash on the street, especially under a "newbie ride" sort of title, let's get together over beers and figure out what we should do in terms of track classes together and/or changing the group street rides.
I'd like cam to be the best riders around and welcoming of any level riders to get better and encourage new folks.
I don't disagree with this thought at all...I think one thing was maybe perhaps forgotten in the whole deal perhaps, and that may well be due to personalities/persons who were engaged in the ride, the presence of a feeling/being of an elevated experience level worthy of raising the pace from "newb" to something more...but I am purely speculating from an outside stand point without having been there...
Yeah, seeing the names that were most responsive on that thread, I think it shift from newb to something more than that.
But since I wasn't there, I'm just arm-chairing here.
I don't know that anything needs to specifically change for CAM rides. It is always stressed that folks should ride their own ride and pace. Any group that I've ridden with has always waited for the entire group at every turn/stopping point, as did this ride. This sense of responsibility for each other and the spirit of camaraderie is what makes the CAM rides great. No one is at fault for this crash except for me. I didn't heed the too many toos: too cold, too wet, too much brake, too little tread, too fast and too much lean angle.
The title of the present thread arose from conversations had at mods vs rockers and was an attempt to find humor in the situation, not to suggest anything bad/negative about the cam rides. Everyone that I've met (both online and in person) from this forum has been a superb person and part of a great community. I was welcomed without hesitation last year despite my faults and quirks, which I expect will happen to any newbie showing up here.
^ This. We were simply trying to lift Jim's spirits and joked about "getting a knee down". At the time it seemed like an unfortunate WTF. We combed the road looking for any signs of gremlins... seeking some kind of explanation. Even with the video it's not definitive.
Only once did I feel the pace pick up a bit too much; I hopped up front and led the rest of the group at a more appropriate pace. Within 10 miles we were all riding together again.
I'm still reflecting on the ride to see what we can generally do better next time. Feel free to PM your thoughts to me.
Fact is, shit happens. There's no question in my mind that the overall pace was entirely reasonable for the skills of the riders in attendance (I was only around for the evening ride where everyone behaved and had a great - if not warm or dry - time). Only takes one little throttle blip or a stab at the brakes at the wrong time for a bike to go down in Saturday's conditions. Live, limp, and learn.
Besides, now Jim's bike has character [laugh]
I don't think Statler or I were trying assess blame...I think it was more in terms of keeping tabs on the pulse of group rides in general for to keep generally "oh shit" moments from turning into hazards....that and if a "newb" ride produces incidents like this, but it wasn't a "newb" ride anymore, it keeps from scaring off newbs from joining those rides when things are distinguished in the differences....I appreciate the humor being implied to diffuse the situation, much like we did in Bowie when that Honda cut Brian off and he had his off....shit happens....we deal with it and then roll on...in how we deal with it makes the difference!
I also can't see how changing the structure of the ride would help. It was mostly a pretty sedate pace. A few times when traffic was light lars wicked it up a little, but just for quick spurts and nothing that egged others on to push harder. Jim was, I think, riding sweep the whole day until very shortly before the low-side, which might also have contributed to colder tires. For reference, the pace was such that a guy on a big crusier seemed not to have difficulty keeping up with the bulk of the pack (again, lars and I sprinted ahead from time to time). I'm not sure whether the n00b title referred to new-to-cam or new rider, but I think less than half the riders there were new to riding. I'm fairly new to cam, not new to riding.
Quote from: bikepilot on October 04, 2011, 06:12:28 AM
...less than half the riders there were new to riding.
From my chats with folks before we rode, only one has been riding less than a couple of years. We talked about how he should ride his own ride and that the group would wait for him no matter his pace, even prior to Lars/Brian giving the group ride talk.
Quote from: zooom on October 04, 2011, 06:12:23 AM
I don't think Statler or I were trying assess blame...
Nor did I think that. I was only trying to clarify to those that were not there that the ride was not mismanaged.
The fact is that I love riding through traffic circles and pushed that one beyond the limit of traction for the conditions. I know where the blame lies and am not afraid to shoulder it. ;)
Quote from: Ducatician on October 04, 2011, 06:51:32 AMI know where the blame lies and am not afraid to shoulder it. ;)
... and chest it...and foot it...
Quote from: Ducatician on October 04, 2011, 06:51:32 AM
The fact is that I love riding through over traffic circles and pushed that one
Fixed that for ya! :)
Quote from: Ducatician on October 04, 2011, 06:51:32 AM
The fact is that I love riding through traffic circles and pushed that one beyond the limit of traction for the conditions. I know where the blame lies and am not afraid to shoulder stomach it. ;)
No, I fixxed it! [cheeky] and bwt, I blame KTM
Superbike KTM 690 Supermoto Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmseLU0P06A#)
of course.
and we go out sometimes and decide to change our earlier decision to have a sedate day.... and act like idiots.
no problem.
shit happens.
glad it was minor.
I didn't see everyone who was on the ride while drunkled posting before.
Finally. Can't blame me for whipping Lars up into a crazed state on this one.
I chose to stay home that day for a reason...
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 04, 2011, 05:56:58 PM
I chose to stay home that day for a reason...
cause you were barefoot in the kitchen making ham sammiches?
So here is an idea for all you newbs, you don't need a group ride to do this, just you and the bike. Go have some fun on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Try and navigate it at a steady speed that is equal to or 5mph over posted, no braking for those slower curves. Good pavement, light to no traffic(on weekends pick remote sections), no lights, and really very little to worry about except learning to ride the twistys. Just a Thought - Gene
Quote from: zooom on October 05, 2011, 09:27:37 AM
cause you were barefoot in the kitchen making ham sammiches?
ahem...
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/photo-7.jpg)
Isn't Five Fingers your nickname in the service? I heard it didn't have anything to do with shoes though...
Quote from: twolanefun on October 05, 2011, 09:47:47 AM
So here is an idea for all you newbs, you don't need a group ride to do this, just you and the bike. Go have some fun on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Try and navigate it at a steady speed that is equal to or 5mph over posted, no braking for those slower curves. Good pavement, light to no traffic(on weekends pick remote sections), no lights, and really very little to worry about except learning to ride the twistys. Just a Thought - Gene
perfect.