Ducati Monster Forum

I've read a few threads here on specifics related to these models, but I'm looking for general feedback and thoughts. I currently have an '07 M695 that I enjoy, but am looking for something more geared towards comfort, commuting and light touring -more range and hard bags particularly. I've also decided that for the area of Colorado where I live, air-cooled isn't optimal.

I understand the general differences; valves, suspension, etc. but would like input on what to look for as far maintenance costs, must have's, nice features, etc. from model to model or year to year. Or conversely, which/what to avoid. I'm also curious about the Triumph ST's, as they look pretty similar, and I like the BMW Dakar's.

Any feedback/thoughts welcome!

I've ridden an ST2 a good bit, pretty nice for eating up large amounts of road.

There's one for sale here in SoCal, has hardbags.

What year was it? Did you have any likes/dislikes?

Very broad request there. You can start digging some of your answers out of this thread - http://www.ducati.ms/forums/40-sport-touring/15290-newbies-please-read-ducati-sport-touring-models.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/40-sport-touring/15290-newbies-please-read-ducati-sport-touring-models.html)

A lot of what you are looking for is personal preference. Some prefer the ST2 or the ST4 or the ST4s, or the ST3. I prefer an ST2 with airbox mod, slip-ons, and regearing, while others will stress bar risers, top case, tall windshield, aftermarket seat, lowering the rearsets, etc. Some people will tell you they don't handle; other will disagree. Some will say the bikes are uncomfortable for the long haul; others will disagree. As with any other Ducati, the 4V are more costly compared to a 2V to maintain. Not only does the ST4/ST4s use the more expensive timing belts, but they are also prone to the dreaded flaking rockers.....but you can read that just about anywhere, including this forum where the S4 is concerned compared to the standard M900.

It's a '98.
Has bar risers and an aftermarket windscreen.
FbF cans and chip.

Really liked it, if I had the cash, I'd buy it.

The fairing lower corners would fight with my knees at a stop.
That's about the worst thing I could think of about riding it.

Thanks for the feedback, Speeddog.

Appreciate the link, Desmo.  I came across that one today -surprisingly little information for an 11 page thread!

Among those models, I'll likely steer clear of the ST4 due to the higher valve and belt-related expenses.  I'm starting to lean towards the ST3, but again, I'm not overly familiar with all the pros/cons of the models.  Still digging...

Thanks again.

ST3's are nearly as involved to service as the 4's.

And they take the 'DS1000' belts, which are more $ than the '900' belts.

I've done a major service on an ST3, and it had 3 badly flaked rockers.
IMO, mostly due to neglecting to do valve adjustments on schedule.
Downside was it required replacement with brand new rockers, as there were no refurbishing services available.

Hayabusa. ;D Lots of goodies out there and really no service besides gas, air in the tires, oil change, tires and insurance. And it gets along with my Ducatis in the garage! What's not to like? Happiness is never having to downshift to pass cars on a 2 lane road! [thumbsup] [Dolph] [beer]

Try this site: www.perryr.com/DucatiSTFAQ.html#_Toc102977151 (http://)

My ST4s will be delivered this coming week, or so I am assured. I will definitely give my impressions as I form them.

Personally I would love to have the ST2 with ST4s suspension and ST3 seat.

Throw in the ST4s bike's Marchesini 5-spoke, lighter-weight wheels, and you'll have an awesome package.  [thumbsup]

well  then ohlins sbk forks with radial monoblocks and wave rotors.

Why the ST2? For the simplicity of 2 valves?  And what year would you get?  Since they quit making them in '04 it seems the technology would be a little dated, though I'm not looking for a brand new bike.

A lot of ST2 threads I've seen are similar to the Monster threads that go like this: put a 14T sprocket on, chip, open air box, Termi's, better headlight, upgraded seat, upgraded suspension and upgraded wheels. Then you've got a decent bike!  I totally understand the perfectionist/tweaker/modder, but personally, I don't want to have to dump $4k into a $5k bike to make it decent, though I'm fine with some minor mods.

the ST2 is the only 2v and therefore less maintenance. it's also a bored 900 motor which is the most bullet proof IMO of the Ducati motors. lots of tq and decent power. the 944 is that much more.

the ST2 has a few issues that i've heard of. the lights weren't all that powerful and the seat wasn't all that comfortable, but most bikes that's true of the stock seat.

if you were to go completely stock, i've heard the st3 with the upgraded seat (the one with the wierd hump in the passenger seat front to stop them diving on you) is the best model out of the box. but like others said, maintenance can get you on that unique motor.

not sure I would ever want a 4v ducati tourer unless they put in the new 11 deg motor in a new sport tourer

The 14T sprocket is only for those who ride in the mountains all the time or want more acceleration. The 15/42 gearing is perfectly fine for most situations. I just happen to ride mine 95% of the time in the mountains and the 14/41 (or 14/42) is much more suited for the tighter stuff.

The chip, chopped air box, and slip-ons just wakes the bike up a whole lot more and also helps smooth out a 3800-4000 rpm stumble that is an issue with the ST2. Personally, I ran bone stock for 11k+ miles and the mods really made the bike come alive. Regardless, though, you typically will get the exact same regear/chip/airbox/slip-on suggestion for the ST4 and ST4s, so it's not really an issue unless you want to make it one.

Suspension - the early ST2 bikes had the same adjustable suspension as the ST4. The ST4s got the Ohlins rear shock and the TiN Showa forks. If suspension is a concern of yours, the stock ST2 forks can be eaisly upgraded to better than the stock TiN Showas for a little bike of money, but nothing outrageous (often an Ohlins internals kit). If the rear shock doesn't suit you, there are cheaper alternatives to an Ohlins (such as the Penske), or simply get an Ohlins from a parted out ST4s on eBay.

Lightweight wheels are nice, but very few people ever buy them. The ST4s comes stock with the 5-spokes taht are a little bit lighter than the 3-spokes - and I like the way they look better, but I still have 3-spokes.

I've been perfectly content with my ST2 with only the regear/chip/airbox/slipon mods since I bought it new (53k miles ago). For the mods I did, the front sprocket was $24 (or no additional cost if you are already replacing the sprockets), the FBF chip was $99, airbox mod I did myself, and the slip-ons were new/old stock that I picked up for $300 several years ago. I bought a used sets of D&D for my wife's ST2 for $250 about three years ago. Typically, many/most used ST2 bikes already come with all these easy mods. If you find a bone-stock one for sale, take that into consideration wen it comes to the purchase price.

Edit - The main reason I plug the ST2 over the 4 is because it is easier and cheaper to do a service on and you don't have any concerns of flaking rockers. I have a 748 that I have to worry about flaking rockers, I sure don't need another Ducati with that concern. The ST2 belts are a bit cheaper than the ST4 belts, and it has half the valves - requiring less than half the time to do the valves. To do the valves correctly on the 4V, you really need to pull the cams out so you can inspect the surfaces of the closing rockers. I can do the valves on a 2V in about an hour or two. The 4V ALWAYS takes more time than this....I probably average about 6 hours for a 4V check/adjustment. As stated by a poster above, the 2V is noted as being a "bullet-proof" engine. You don't hear that when someone is describing a 4V engine.

Awesome. Thanks for all the feedback guys/gals.  Much appreciated   [bow_down]

ST2 is sounding better, though I'd kinda like to get something newer than '04 when they quit making them.  That said, there's a '98 in my neck o'the woods with 17k miles for less than $3k. Awful tempting at that price, though I don't know anything about the service history and the posted pics are low-res.

+1  That'll be my next sport-tourer.  Pashnit.com has lots of touring stuff for 'em.

ST 2 is actually a 966

every spec sheet i've ever seen:
st2 944cc
st3 992cc
st4 916cc
st4s 996cc

Pretty sure...

Maybe the ST motor has a different stroke and if you use the ST pistons in a 900 you get a 966.

I'll check.

I could be wrong.

hey, if I prove a Founder wrong, do I get some free DMF stuff?

I own & love the '98 ST2 in my garage, and the ST line has to be one of the best values out there - because they fall in the gap between the "sport tourer" market and the Ducati market, used ones in great condition go for shockingly little money. Mine is comfortable (I bought it with a Sargent seat, so don't know anything about the stocker) one up or two up, handles like a Ducati, has lots of suspension adjustment available, and more than plenty of motor for life on the street.

If I had it all to do over again, however, I'd avoid the 1998 model - the electrical system is single phase and a bit of an orphan (they went to three phase the following year). Burned stators, fried regulators, batteries killed by chronic undercharging, toasted (undersized) wiring and connectors... I've fixed 'em all on this bike, and I know I'm not the only '98 owner to go through that. And even with everything operating as it should, there's not a whole lot of spare capacity to run things like heated clothing or add-on electronics -- all things that would be very nice to have on a sport tourer.

I looked at the ST2, ST3, and Triumph Sprint ST.

I like the way the ducs handled, disliked the looks of the ST2 and a few other issues I found out about them.
Then I saw the triumph and liked everything about it except for how far the bags stick out. the headlight is powerful, you jsut need to adjust the height due to the cut off at the top edge. it makes good torque, and is nice and smooth at high speeds thanks to the 3 cyl engine though you can hear a lot of counterbalancers spinnign around in there. aside from the headlight cut off i have felt no need to mod the bike. i run heated gear in the winter and have yet to kill the battery from it.

I love the triumph. i ride with a few that ride the st2 and we all keep up with each other in the twisties aside from those who lack the skill or more likely the desire to keep up. We have all put a knee down while riding the bikes. it's been on the track and holds it's own against the actual sport bikes in turns (straights i get walked by the larger disp bikes)

to replace crash parts it can be just as hard and expensive for the triumph.
valve jobs can be jsut as expensive due to the location and the amt of time it takes to get to the valves.

Triangleforge - thanks for the input. I may steer clear of the '98 I saw for sale and look for something slightly newer.

King Tut - what other issues did you find with the ST2's?  Just curious. The deep blue Sprint really has my attention, but I haven't really delved into the Triumph world (yet).  Is your Triumph a Sprint, or other?

Hyabusa?  I'm not sure.... for some reason, the Japanese bikes just don't make my unit twitch. I think I'm still leaning towards the Ducati/Triumph/BMW thing. For better or worse...

no...

I'm wrong as often as not.

...and this is one of those times.;D

on the st2, it was the headlight, and the seat mostly. I also didn't want to have to do valves as often as that motor needs them. Plus i think it's massively ugly. lol.
I know there were a few other things, but it's been a few years since i went through this.
Yes my triumph is a sprint. a sprint ST in fact. With a metal tank! I liked the caspian blue, but wound up getting a silver/grey one. then i painted it matte black...it's the way of my bikes. lol

I was looking at Sprints at the same time as I was shopping for the ST2, and had the right one come along when I was in the market I'd have bought it. VFRs are another model line you might want to add to your shopping list as well. If money were no object and I wanted a bike that could point to the far coast (and back) and make the trip a hoot and a half, it'd be the new Multistrada or the Kawasaki Concours 14; I rode a friend's Kwak 14 the other day and it's an amazing machine.

I'll echo Tut's complaint about the headlight (which is also an issue on the pre-2004 ST4 iterations - the ST3 & post 2004 ST4s with the "V" shaped light unit are much better), though it's semi-fixable with upgraded bulbs and completely fixable with the Ducati Designs headlight unit replacement. The latter isn't cheap but (I'm told) worth every penny. As for valves, it's like any desmo I've ever encountered - most of the adjustments take place in the first service. I've checked mine twice at 6,000 mile intervals and they're comfortably within spec.

As for the looks, that's of course in the eye of the beholder; I quite like the lines of the ST, but I'm gradually cutting mine to make it more naked, with the mid-90s 900SS/CR as inspiration-- both because I like the look of an L-twin motor and because of my other complaint about the early STs -- the stock fairings are a total PITA to deal with. Desmo Times sells a Dzus fastener mod that makes them somewhat more tolerable, but they're still kind of fussy.

I'd like to see that. I had thought about that when I was decided whether to rebuild the Monster or find an ST to buy.
There are several people in Europe doing this.

I have heard that you can actually remove the piece of metal that serves as the cut off for the headlight and that makes it much better. A couple of the guys that i ride with have got the ducati designs headlight route and they seemed to love it. kinda miss having a duc, but i like having a bike that I don't need to really mod out of the box.

also interested in the stripped down version of the st2.

My new bike came in today!!!! [clap] [clap]
As stated previously, it's an '02 ST4s.

Haven't had much chance for a thorough evaluation yet, just a short hop down the street so far, I'll post further when I have a chance to put some miles on it.
Impressions so far:
     The headlight is just as useless as everyone has said in previous posts, that's definitely going to get an upgrade real soon double time quick like.
     The windshield could be better, it seems to deflect the wind right into my face. This is really just a quick first impression, though, we'll see what it does on the highway.
     Other than the windshield, I like the fairing, it gives good wind protection, and doesn't get in the way at rest.
     The engine is a beast! I'm coming from a M620, so it's not really a surprise, but I've ridden my buddies BMW R1200, and a couple of other liter bikes, and this has them beat hollow. Love the sound, love the low end grunt, and the way it just keeps pulling.
     Body position is not that much different from the Monster, a bit more upright, but not markedly so. I'll be experimenting with this for a while, I'm sure.
Ok, more later after I've put in some seat time.
Jeff

Norfolk, eh? My son in Richmond, Bon Air bought a yellow one 2 - 3 months ago with 12K and recent belts and valve check. He's 6' 3"+ and 265# and much prefers it to the R1150RT he had for a couple of years. Go figure! Loves the engine and the high-speed cruise. He replaced the 1/4" riser with a 1" and is happy. The bike was mostly stock and is clean; Sargent saddle and heated grips. The shield doesn't bother him and he'd gripe if it did. Rather than do the headlight kit, he's doing the little projector lights which he had on the fork legs of his R1150RT. Neat but can't recall what they're called.

He was experiencing a front brake "judder" which he attempted to correct with a pad change. Better but still unacceptable. Then he swapped out the Michelins which were worn for some Diablo Rossos because he liked mine. Still there. Then he swapped out the front wheel bearings and replaced the head bearings with some tapered jobs. MUCH better. In spring he'll probably do the rotors as it can't be anything else.

He hasn't played much with the Ohlins yet but will probably get Donnie to check it out the next time I have to run up to Duc Pond. Do you get up to Richmond for "Bikes in the Bottom"?

William

I've heard other ST owners complain about brake judder. The consensus of the Ducati.ms crowd seems to be to open the rotor buttons slightly, or go to a floating rotor.

I'm 6'2" and 195, but as I said, that was a VERY preliminary report. I literally got it off the truck at 1pm today, and have only put <10 miles on it, as I wanted to change the oil and inspect the bike completely before I put in any serious seat time. I belong to a local Jewish motorcycle club, mostly Harley riders, and we get together most weekends for a ride. It's not unusual for us to put a couple of hundred miles behind us on a ride, so I'll have plenty of opportunity to see what I let myself in for.

 :)

Harley riders? You'll have long waits at stoplights and turns. ;) I've got a hard time keeping my 796 below 70 MPH and that '02 ST4s is a rocket. Miles will be no issue. Son wanted to take it to Barber but had a conflict with another auction this year. (Last year he did the "color announcing" for Betor however Betor was bought out by RM. :P http://www.batorauctions.com/results-barber2010.html (http://www.batorauctions.com/results-barber2010.html))

I know he did the recommended stuff with the stock rotors when he replaced the pads. He'll do a rotor upgrade in the spring more than likely. I mentioned the head bearings because they were definitely related to the judder on this particular bike. No symptoms like clunking. Replacing them with new tapered bearings corrected 90% of his "judder".

Since you are both about the same height, these are the risers he installed. 1" just fits with some rearranging. http://www.shop.bevelheaven.com/detail.aspx?ID=1400 (http://www.shop.bevelheaven.com/detail.aspx?ID=1400)

Have a blast!

Metal plate in OEM headlight - Yes, you can remove it, but it doesn't really make much of a noticeable difference.

Charging system - I bought my '98 ST2 new off the showroom floor and the '98 regulator location is in a sorry location that doesn't provide any flow. The first one fried at 11k, the second one (same location) fried 4k later, and the relocated/aftermarket one has lasted 38k miles so far. The OEM stator finally fried at 52k miles.

Valve adjustments - They are easy on the ST2 and you don't even have to remove the airbox or radiator to do it. As with any 2V Duc, the first 12k-18k miles are crucial, then, the valves seem to settle down. I only check the valves on my ST2 every 12k miles, now, and never have any issues. I do readjust the tension of the timing belts at 6k, though, as they get a little loose around the 11k mark and can slap the timing belt cover when cold and under deceleration.

I have no brake jutter with my '98 ST2. I had the spongey front brake feel, but I upgraded the master cylinder from the coffin-type to the remote reservoirs of a 2002 ST2/ST4s bike and it has been great. Switching to EBC HH pads makes a huge difference, too.

Item of interest.....I have 53k miles on my original clutch. The tabs are beat to hell and it is a little noisey, but it still works great. I was afraid it needed to be replaced a few years ago, and I have a complete clutch assembly sitting on my workbench. It's been sitting there for the last 21k miles.

Now that I've put in some seat time, I thought I'd share my impressions of the ST4s.
     I've always been a fan of that dry clutch rattle, and this one rattles just fine. Beyond that, the power is addictive. The motor spins up quickly, and delivery is linear from 3k rpm up to about 10k, where it abruptly runs out of steam until you click into the next gear and the fun continues. Care must be taken when moving off from a standing start, as letting out the clutch too quickly is guaranteed to send the front wheel skyward (Unless you're into that kind of hooliganism, of course.  [thumbsup] )  First gear is good to around 30mph, with second taking you to about 55, after that, it just keeps pulling well into triple digits. Sixth gear is a good highway gear, with the engine turning just a tick over 3k at 70mph. The engine heats quickly, and stabilizes at about 195-205 when moving. The fairings direct a good bit of hot air across your legs, especially the right calf. It hasn't been a problem, since the temps have been cool, but we'll see how bitterly I pregnant dog about it next summer when it hits 90+. Fuel mileage has been right around 40mpg so far.
      The front twin Brembo calipers provide decent stopping power. This is a very good thing, since the rear Brembo is mainly useful for keeping the rear in line, and not much else.
     Handling is good, considering I haven't had a chance to dial in the suspension yet. It can only get better as I get it dialed in, but for now, it handles like my Monster with my wife on the back. This is not as bad as it may sound, since the ST weighs about 470lbs, which is about what the Monster weighs with my wife on it.  ;D
     Body position is more upright than the Monster, but not by that much. I've added Heli-bars, which raise the grips about an inch and a half, and my back thanks me for it every time I ride more than an hour at a stretch. I've left the pegs stock for now, although kits are available to lower them by an inch or so. We'll see how much highway riding I do, as opposed to twisties, and that will determine whether I want the control of the stock position versus the comfort of letting my legs stretch a bit more.
     I bought the bike from Moto-Forza in Escondido CA and had it shipped to Norfolk VA after talking with Balz Renggli, the sales manager there, and being assured that the bike was in good shape, the maintenance had been done, and the tires etc. were decent. The bike took 29 days to arrive, which I was prepared for. What I was not prepared for was the (small) dent in the tank, the scratches in the paint, the missing front sprocket cover, the squared off tires, the fishhooked sprockets, or the fact that the adjustment screws for the TPS and throttle bodies still had the factory paint on them, which likely means that those maintenance items were never addressed in the bikes 9 years and 26k+ miles. I also was not prepared to be ignored by Balz and the rest of the sales people at Moto Forza, with phone calls being dodged and never returned numerous times since the bike arrived. Fortunately, I like working on bikes, and basically know what I'm doing, so the minor problems the bike arrived with are being addressed, and spring will see it in the correct state of tune for some nice long weekends, it just irks me that a supposedly reputable company would misrepresent a bike just to make a sale. Oh well, caveat emptor, I suppose
     At any rate, I like the ST4s quite a lot, and believe it will be a worthy addition to the stable.

I had a 2005 FJR that was totaled (not by me) and found a great deal on a 2006 ST3 with 29 miles and this was in 2009 - a guy bought it for his wife and she said no way.  Anyhow I rode it for 2 months and hated it. Horrible power compared to what I had been used to - way too light for any highway touring (cross winds and rough ride) in my opinion and the main reason was it was not meant for two up. Aslo a small tank for any distance riding - I had been used to getting 225 miles per tank. My personal opinion is that you have to decide what kind of riding you are going to be doing the most of - if it's longer distance vs short hauls on twisties one-up, etc. I also had a problem with my wrists going numb but that could have been fixed with different grips. Now the ST4 has much more power - to be honest the FJR was in my opinion the best overall bike I had owned (maybe a dozen of my lifetime) - it would keep up with the sport bikes (very quick) but it was heavier so it doesn;t turn like the S4RS I have now (I also have a Stratoliner for touring and 2-up riding). The maintence on the FJR is practically nothing - in 20K miles the only thing I did was replace fork seals and oil changes - shaft vs chain is nice on a tourer also. Might want to take a look at one.

Well I stumbled onto this discussion, so I'll give you a different perspective. As far as I'm concerned there is only one sport tourer out there better than my ST3 and that would be a MTS1200, except it's too tall for me, with a 30" inseam. All of the other so called sport tourer's need to go on a diet IMHO. My 04' ST3 has 43-44k+ miles on it, I bought it new, I've done plenty of 1,200 - 1,500 mile weekends on it with and without my GF on board. I tend to run on two lane back roads, twisty of course, and occasionally run on the interstate, such as going to the INDY GP, once I get to Columbus, Ohio from Virginia not much choice. The ST3 has all the power anyone needs and it's got the right torque. With stock gearing it's doing 86MPH in 6th gear at 5K, that is why I recommend going up 3 teeth on the rear sprocket. At Mid-Ohio my GF and I were doing 135+ on back straight with full luggage. My GF and I have never had an issue with packing for an extended trip, the 2 side case and top case hold more than enough. The only complaint I have with my ST3 is I wish it had ABS. If you want a great bike to run through the mountains all day say from No. Virginia down to Barber Motosports without getting on the interstate but know if you do the bike can handle it, the ST3 is up to the task. If you want to run all day on the interstate and with an occasional detour on some twistys get a BMW, FJ, or a Concours and work on your upper body muscles cause you'll need them to throw those bikes around. As for the ST4, motor is wrong for the job IMHO, if you want to sport tour on a Superbike buy a 999. Just MHO - Gene

I had a 2005 FJR that was totaled (not by me) and found a great deal on a 2006 ST3 with 29 miles and this was in 2009 - a guy bought it for his wife and she said no way.  Anyhow I rode it for 2 months and hated it. Horrible power compared to what I had been used to - way too light for any highway touring (cross winds and rough ride) in my opinion and the main reason was it was not meant for two up. Aslo a small tank for any distance riding - I had been used to getting 225 miles per tank. My personal opinion is that you have to decide what kind of riding you are going to be doing the most of - if it's longer distance vs short hauls on twisties one-up, etc. I also had a problem with my wrists going numb but that could have been fixed with different grips. Now the ST4 has much more power - to be honest the FJR was in my opinion the best overall bike I had owned (maybe a dozen of my lifetime) - it would keep up with the sport bikes (very quick) but it was heavier so it doesn;t turn like the S4RS I have now (I also have a Stratoliner for touring and 2-up riding). The maintence on the FJR is practically nothing - in 20K miles the only thing I did was replace fork seals and oil changes - shaft vs chain is nice on a tourer also. Might want to take a look at one  

An ST3 has more horsepower than a Stratoliner and is almost half the weight.

not my Strat - with pipes PCII and open airbox 98HP and 121# of torgue - now power to weight is a whole different story but I didn't get a Strat to ride as a sport tourer - thats why I have the S4RS - if I wanted one that did both well I probably would have gone back to an FJR  ;D

Shame you did not step up to a Victory ;D Sorry could not resist. All this talk about HP, Power to Weight etc.. Truth be told my little M900 has more than enough out in the twistys, even running at 7/10 a M696 will stay up with a S4RS, my M900 or S2R, on the back two lane roads assuming staying 10-15 over posted. I recall one trip over to Ohio where one of the riders had a heavily modified S4RS 6' and a little overweight and another rider on a 696, about 5'8" and maybe 150lbs. Well the rider on the S4RS spent all day trying to stay up with my little M900 and lose the 696, he ended up a little frustrated but it was a good ride and we all had a good time discussing it at the bar at the end of the day - Gene

10-15 over posted?? when we do a spirited ride we usually at least double the posted limit on the twisties - a really good rider on a small underpowered bike will blow away a regular rider on a sportbike - most people don't ride anywhere near the capability of their machine (me included) as far as the Vic they are nice but pricey - I probably paid a good $8-9K less on a leftover 'new' Strat

Got it, double posted, ~110MPH. That will get you and your bike locked up in my neck of the woods. - Gene

fortunately the LEO's aren't out much on the back roads here - too much territory for them to cover - besides they go after the sport idiots doing wheelies on the highways - also we're not doing that EVERY time we go out  ;D

So noticed this is an old thread, I originally posted on it in 2011... look at me now;)
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