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Moto Board => Tech => Topic started by: ZachDDill on November 11, 2011, 05:23:06 AM

Title: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: ZachDDill on November 11, 2011, 05:23:06 AM
Okay so a few weeks back I had my bike at a Ducati specific shop (Mellimoto) I dropped about $900 on just general maintenance and what not seeing as I had the bike for a year and never took it to a shop, anywho while I was up there picking up my bike they told me that my rear sprocket did not match my chain. They told me it would cost around $300 to replace this. My question is, if I ordered the parts myself could I replace it myself as well? I looked online and parts shouldn't be more than $200 I believe. This would also save me a hour and a half drive and teach me how to do it. Your advice is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Howie on November 11, 2011, 05:40:30 AM
Not knowing your skill level or what tools you have the question cannot be answered.  Also, what bike? 
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: ZachDDill on November 11, 2011, 05:44:10 AM
I am an 18 year old highschooler with no experiance, my dad would be willing to help me but I was just curious if it was worth trying to do it myself, and a monster.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Howie on November 11, 2011, 05:52:21 AM
If it is a dual sided swing arm, you have a rear stand, some tools, a torque wrench, some blue loctite and know how to adjust your chain, pretty easy.  Single sided, a little more difficult, but doable.  What you save in labor can go towards tools. 
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Buckethead on November 11, 2011, 06:05:32 AM
And if you're changing the chain, you'll need a chain tool, too.

Not super-difficult and it'll be a good learning experience. I say go for it.  [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Howie on November 11, 2011, 06:16:41 AM
Quote from: Buckethead on November 11, 2011, 06:05:32 AM
And if you're changing the chain, you'll need a chain tool, too.

Not super-difficult and it'll be a good learning experience. I say go for it.  [thumbsup]

Doh!  That too.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Slide Panda on November 11, 2011, 06:23:36 AM
What year bike? If it's older (2000 and older) you might need a way to grind down the rivets on a link to break the chain. This can be done by hand, with a file... it'll just suck. A dremel with a metal cutting wheel works like a charm.

The older monsters have a hoop that attaches to the swing arm, that newer bikes don't. That hoop prevents you from just wriggling the chain free of the bike after you've introduced sufficient slack.

Question though - did the explain what about them didn't match?

Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: zooom on November 11, 2011, 07:08:46 AM
also, whether you do it yourself or you let your dad or a shop do it, it'd be a highly reccomended idea to change the chain and both sprockets altogether at once in 1 shot as they wear together.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: lazylightnin717 on November 11, 2011, 09:00:59 AM
You're also going to need to right size allen and socket for the rear axle. Can't remember off hand what size they were  ???

I did mine last winter (both sprockets and chain) with no previous knowledge of how to do it on a motorcycle. It was pretty straightforward. I used an RK chain tool that I borrowed from a co-worker which was simple to figure out. Careful when torquing down the bolts. I must have over-torqued one in my new front sprocket and the head sheared off. Took it work and drilled it out on a press and through-bolted it. The hardest part was adjusting the chain tension and keeping the rear wheel straight which really wasn't hard to do.

I say go for it. Take your time and be observant. You'll learn a lot and in the end, you'll have better knowledge of how to maintain your bike  [Dolph]
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Slide Panda on November 11, 2011, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on November 11, 2011, 09:00:59 AM
You're also going to need to right size allen and socket for the rear axle. Can't remember off hand what size they were  ???

Varies a bit. It'll depend on what monster he's got
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: ZachDDill on November 11, 2011, 11:30:45 AM
Sorry guys I thought I put in the post what my bike was, my bad. Shes a '99 M750. The place I take her to charges $77 a hour in labor so yeah I could pay for tools in the cost for labor.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: ZachDDill on November 11, 2011, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: Sad Panda on November 11, 2011, 06:23:36 AM
What year bike? If it's older (2000 and older) you might need a way to grind down the rivets on a link to break the chain. This can be done by hand, with a file... it'll just suck. A dremel with a metal cutting wheel works like a charm.

The older monsters have a hoop that attaches to the swing arm, that newer bikes don't. That hoop prevents you from just wriggling the chain free of the bike after you've introduced sufficient slack.

Question though - did the explain what about them didn't match?



The chain has slack side to side with the sprocket, as in I can grab the chain when its on the back sprocket and slide it left to right.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Slide Panda on November 11, 2011, 11:36:59 AM
Ok, so you're going to need to break the chain to get it off.

Many chain tools have some sort of attachment for punching the rivets through on a master link to break the chain. But this can and usually is a lot more hassle than grinding a head off a rivet and pushing it through.

There's plenty of info and tutorials on how to do chain work. It's not hard, just can be tedious.


Quote from: ZachDDill on November 11, 2011, 11:32:40 AM
The chain has slack side to side with the sprocket, as in I can grab the chain when its on the back sprocket and slide it left to right.

So sounds liek you might have 520 sprockets and a 525 chain.

When you go to get stuff, just get 520 sized stuff. You don't need anything beefier.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: lazylightnin717 on November 11, 2011, 01:37:55 PM
RK chain tool makes it a breeze to break a chain.

It's also good to have around in the event that the chain stretches to the point that you need to remove a link.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Buckethead on November 11, 2011, 04:08:03 PM
Or if your brother owes you money and you want to put a hole in his thumbnail.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Nibor on November 19, 2011, 06:33:11 PM
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on November 11, 2011, 01:37:55 PM
RK chain tool makes it a breeze to break a chain.

It's also good to have around in the event that the chain stretches to the point that you need to remove a link.

Agreed the RK chain tool is awesome, but gave you ever considered if your chain is stretched so much you need to remove a link, That each individual link is then stretched?? If you remove one, you're just left with a shorter stretched chain! Still gonna wear the sprockets quickly once it's stretched out...


OP, definitely do it yourself. Need a rearstand, some sockets/wrenches, chain tool to break and install the new and old chain, Allen keys for the front sprocket retainer, and a torque wrench and loctite are bonuses. Might cost you a lil more in the first place just cos you bought all the gear if you didn't have any, but for every subsequent change, you're saving heaps!! Go parts in a chain tool with mates if you're worried about costs. Have fun!
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Bun-bun on November 19, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
Since we're on the subject . . .
I'm about to do this maintenance also, and was looking at the JT steel sprockets, because they're cheap, and I am too. ;D  Opinions? Anyone have any FHE with these? Any other sprockets you've had good FHE with?
Thanks
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Ddan on November 20, 2011, 02:34:08 AM
Quote from: Bun-bun on November 19, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
Since we're on the subject . . .
I'm about to do this maintenance also, and was looking at the JT steel sprockets, because they're cheap, and I am too. ;D  Opinions? Anyone have any FHE with these? Any other sprockets you've had good FHE with?
Thanks
I have good luck with JT
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: ducpainter on November 20, 2011, 04:22:30 AM
Quote from: Dan on November 20, 2011, 02:34:08 AM
I have good luck with JT
Me too.

I run steel sprockets on everything.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: lazylightnin717 on November 20, 2011, 07:08:15 AM
Quote from: Nibor on November 19, 2011, 06:33:11 PM
Agreed the RK chain tool is awesome, but gave you ever considered if your chain is stretched so much you need to remove a link, That each individual link is then stretched?? If you remove one, you're just left with a shorter stretched chain! Still gonna wear the sprockets quickly once it's stretched out...

I left my chain on the long side to keep the adjustment towards the back in an effort to keep the front end on the ground more. Once it stretched to the point that I had to adjust it and had no more adjustment to take out the slack, I took off another link.

Bun-bun: I run a JT front and have had no problems with it.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: Speeddog on November 20, 2011, 11:06:28 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on November 20, 2011, 04:22:30 AM
Me too.

I run steel sprockets on everything.

Listen to the man.
Title: Re: Replacing/Changing rear sprocket and chain
Post by: victor441 on November 20, 2011, 07:05:56 PM
Quote from: Bun-bun on November 19, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
Since we're on the subject . . .
I'm about to do this maintenance also, and was looking at the JT steel sprockets, because they're cheap, and I am too. ;D  Opinions? Anyone have any FHE with these? Any other sprockets you've had good FHE with?
Thanks


The JT sprockets are generally very good quality but they had a batch of CS sprockets awhile back that had lockplate screw holes threaded wrong, i ended up breaking a screw and had to extract it, was able to fix the threads with a tap but that was dicey as the CS steel is VERY hard....so anyway check the sprocket out when you buy it, the screws should go in easily