Ducati Monster Forum

Bought new 1100evo,New sprocket,termis,ecu,airbox....... now might have to buy power commander just to get it to run right.Shouldnt have to keep buying just to make it run like it should.Hasnt run right since picked up, added all these items,.And still doesnt run right.My opinion is that before it gets sold it should run like it should before some one purchases it.If additions need to be made to correct then why dont the dealerships absorb the cost of what it takes to make it worth riding?  My Harleys,hondas,yamahas ,and suzukis never acted like this

If the dealer put in all those options including the ECU they should have had it flashed to match your mods so the bike runs properly.

ok, maybe you should describe what you mean by run right.

second if the dealer install all that stuff, you might want to describe those issues to them.


there is no flash per se for those items.

sounds like a basic termi kit with 14 tooth sprocket.
the only thing that needs to happen is a TPS reset when installed.

Bike runs too lean  when i pull up at house and get off to open garage rear header pipe is glowing red  and it pops and spits while riding.cruising 45-55 mph coughs like starving for fuel. My concern is this a Ducati thing, and I'm afraid of scorching a piston or valve by running like this. I've got 240 for miles for the 600 mi. service and don't want to prematurely hurt something.i was told at this service they woul tune it and I may need a power commander to fix it. Don't want to buy something to make a new bike run like it should

did you buy the bike new or used? who installed the pipe,ecu, airbox ( im assuming you mean filter?)?

Something is not right. If they installed the Termi/ecu package (and did it right) it should be running fine. My S2R1000 (air cooled 2 valve) when stock had the classic DS motor problems. Eratic idle and it would stall for no reason when taking off. Usually at traffic lights making me look like a rookie that stalled the bike myself. At the 600 check up the dealer installed the full Termi/ecu package that I bought from them and it has never had a problem since and runs like a Swiss sewing machine.  

You need to address this issue with the dealer. No. It shouldn't be running like that. It should run as well as your other scooters. I also have Suzooks, Kawis and a Honda. Ducs can be fussy sometimes but yours is too young and new to be that fussy.

Glowing red pipes is normal (I've got 8 bikes and all the four strokes' pipes glow red). 

I'd double check the simple stuff, particularly look for an air leak.  Perhaps something was botched with the airbox work.  In fact, I'd probably put the airbox back to stock unless the Termi ECU was specifically intended to be used with the airbox mods. 

Have you asked the dealer about the issue?  if its running that bad it should be obvious to them from a test ride and then they should go about sorting it.  A power commander isn't what you need, if it really is that bad something is screwed up and having an incompetent wrench plug away at spreadsheets to remap it further is unlikely to help anything. The whole point of the termi ECU is that its a (nearly) idiot-proof way of getting the fueling roughly right for the exhaust etc.

Is this your first big(ish) sport twin?  Perhaps you are expecting it to run like an I4, which it never will (thank goodness!)

Your kidding about the glowing red pipes.  Yes? Mine get hot, but no where near glowing red.

its glows red if youre reving the bike at idle....but otherwise it shouldnt be glowing!

Don't blame the bike, blame the dealer. Obviously they're doin' it wrong. Termi kits make 'em perfect.

If you got the DP parts including Termis and ECU then you shouldn't need a power commander.  The pipes come with a new ECU for that very reason.

have you confirmed you have the correct DP ECU? bike should read "Ducati Monster 1100 racing" when turned on IIRC.
i've heard of a dealer NOT putting the actual ECU you and they were running stock ECU with the opened lid, DP airfilter which would DEFINITELY run way too lean.

also, did they remove the charcoal canister? if so, did they plug the throttle bodies correctly? another place a lean condition can come from.

The Termi kit comes with a DP ECU matched to the type of pipe you got (full or slipon), DP airfilter (K&N type), more open filter cover, termis. The actual install is easy. The TPS reset is pretty easy on the new ECUs as well.

If all that is correct, you might have a suspect ECU.

none of those items are things you would do to correct a runnability problem.  If your dealer is telling you that you need to drop a ton of cash on sprockets and a termi kit to make your bike run right then you should file a complaint with ducati north america as that is not just wrong information but patently misleading. all of the things you list (as well as the PCIII) are to increase performance, not correct baseline problems. your evo is still under warranty and runnability should be taken care of.

which isnt to say that a PC in conjunction with the termi kit and sprockets would be a bad idea. it will allow your bike to be much more flexible for future mods (cams for instance).

Idling

When i turn my switch on it reads monster evo DP

Take it to the Shop and have them fix it.

^^^What he said ^^^

+1

A Monster with Termis and ECU should run fantastic. Headers glowing red while idling is not normal, take it to the dealer and have them fix it. If they say they cannot then complain to Ducati North America and/or find another dealer.

Where in VA are you? Where did you buy the bike? Did you call your dealer? If so, what exactly did he say?

No it's not my first twin I've had Harley's. Which I could tune myself no one has ever worked on anything Ive own til this. And that's. Because Ducatis warranty. I gues I'll eventually have to purchase software and tuning tools for after the warranty is expired 2 years from now

This ain't your Harley, it's FI, it's got an ECU, it's got traction control, you are going to spend a lot of money on equipment you are not trained to use, just some things to consider. Having put that out there for you to consider, do you mind telling us which dealer has worked on your bike? We would be glad to direct you to a dealer that knows what they are doing. - Gene

Your bike has less than 400 miles on it, something is not right. Take it back to the dealer and tell them to make it run like it should do, or you want your money back. You shouldn't have to buy any tools or software to make a brand new bike run correctly, especially after spending extra for the Termis and ECU.

Well if he is anywhere near Winchester VA as his username suggests it may be worth trucking it to you know who at you know where and put an end to this.

 [thumbsup]  ;)

Kinda what I was thinking.  [thumbsup] [drink] - Gene

voldemort has a bike shop in va!?!?

;)  ;D

Good news, took it to the shop after i already told them earlier on the phone how it was running and when i walked in i told them it run like dog shit.reset ecu and drove it home and it ran like a new bike,no glowing of the pipe,or coughing and spitting.Yeah it still dont like low rpm's(below3000) in traffic conjestion but anything else ran 100 % better.EPA has these lean I know but it aint as bad as it was,Called them when i got home told them thank you.  Also glad to know that someone knows what im not trained to do,I dont have the diagnostic tools for a ducati thats all thats kept me from trying to take care of it ,anyway thats what the warranty is for
 (Quote from Twolanefun)  "you are going to spend a lot of money on equipment you are not trained to use, just some things to consider. Having put that out there for you to consider "                           

Easy fix

3000 RPM is about the limit on mine as well, even with the ECU. Before that it didn't like anything much under 4,500.

Glad to hear that it's running correctly  [thumbsup]

EPA doesn't have anything to do with it below 3000rpm.  It's a big twin with small flywheel so it's gonna have issues that low.  It's not like your harley's that had a huge flywheel to coast through the power pulses.

So what dealer was able to fix it?

the DP ecu that came with the termi exhaust ,fuel mapping is lean and pretty much stays that way until it gets above 4000and up then the fuel curve set in the ecu takes over.