Ducati Monster Forum

THe S4Rt is rapidly becoming my fav bike of all time.  So far I havn't been arrested or jailed, but almost every time out I probably should.  I find myself looking down at the speedo wondering why in the hell I'm traveling quite so fast....  The bike just does that.  Well, nothing exceeds like excess, so I want more.


First up, simple/cheap clean up.  The stock gauges look goofy perched on top of the triple.  Ducati should have done a better job of this, but it gives me something to do on a rainy weekend.

Gauges will be mounted under the triple, and the large headlight (soon to be done away with) and matching fairing will be lowered down as well.  It's not as though that fairing can deflect wind from my XXXL head anyway, so it might as well look cool.

Stock headlight bracket
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"lowered" headlight bracket
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I havn't welded aluminum in over a year, but I can still stick a piece of metal together...not my finest work, but it's getting powder coated anyway.  I need some new rol-loc pads, I had to use a carbide porting tool to scuff the surface, and then had to turn up the HF for cleaning when I welded, hence the large nickle-puddles instead of dimes.  Yup, I'm a perfectionist.  I may even cut it apart and do it again, even though no one will ever see it.
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Now I'm waiting on 2 M5x40 Titanium tapered socket heads so I can put the whole thing together.  Here's a tip....A few of the "Major" suppliers had this bolt online but none in stock.  All were asking in the 10$ per bolt range.  Check your online road cycle shops....those guys like Ti more than donorcycle people do.  I got 2 Ti bolts for mounting up the gauges, and 4 more nice Ti socket caps for securing the brake master/clutch master to the bars....all for $15 shipped :)

Have a drink

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Then get to chopping the back half of a 15 thousand dollar bike off

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Chopped down some cans...

Of course, I tore into it before I took a "before" pic, so here is one can still mounted.  Looks terrible without the ugly rear fender, and it's got to go!

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Remove end cap/strap:

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Cut off ~3" of the can:
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Install and start the bike.  Sound pretty much the same, maybe a touch louder (already pretty loud).  Dealer swears I'll knock 10hp off the bike because I did this.....I need to find another dealer.  If anything I may have shifted the power curve up ever so slightly.  I doubt on a dyno you'ld see more than 2hp either way.

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Much better looking, thats for sure.  Nothing to drastic, this bike is going to be all about subtle changes.  The avg passerby probably won't even notice that it's not stock, just a nice looking bike.  Functionality is a top priority as well.  I may end up re-trimming the bottom can a smidge more to get it in line.

The entire exhaust will come off after the season and get ceramic coated black (end caps/straps too).  Forks will be anodized black, and if I have the coin I'll get the sliders DLC'd as well.  Rad and oil cooler going black, black side cases.

Not sure if I'll keep the same paint.  I need to do something cool with the clutch cover...thats next :)

I need to get the plugs for the frame, and tuck the license plate under the seat somewhere. 

Any of you guys ever used those LED bolts ?  Which ones should I get?


All told so far, the bike has lost 5lbs 2oz that were pretty much "free" (cept for the Ti bolts)

I just ordered a mess of Ti for the front end, which "might" amount to another pound LoL!
All in Ti:

Riser bolts
Reservoir strap bolts
upper triple pinch bolts
lower triple pinch bolts
fender bolts
headlight bolts
U bracket bolts
caliper mounting bolts

I need: Ti axle bolt, Ti Axle, BST's (snicker), and a set of Magnesium triple clamps (custom?).  That ought to take care of the front end.

nice looking bike.  Keep up the good work, and let me know if you want to let go of the stock upper tripple.  I need big bars. 

love that color combo. the front of your bike looks freggin CLEAN compared to mine. sucks!

Very schweeet!!!! [thumbsup]

Best color combo, hands down!

Very cool!!  [clap]

I've been wanting to lower my gauges/headlight ever since I installed clip-ons, but probably won't get around to in anytime soon.  :-\

I did, however, manage to modify the two shock-post mounts that hold the gauge cluster in place which bought me about 1/2 an inch and makes the cluster lay flatter.. Better than nothing, right!?!  ;)

looking good brother  [thumbsup]

That looks great!

I really like the shortened cans.   [thumbsup]



(You might want to move this thread to the Accessories and Mods section though, since you aren't actually asking a tech question.)

looooooove it!    [thumbsup]

Thanks everyone for the compliments!  If the thread needs to be moved, can I do that (or a mod?)




Once the bolts get here, I'll post a pic in this thread.

I've gotten a bunch of PM's about lowering the bracket.  Not sure what the rules are here, but I would be willing to do the welding mods for a small fee to help others out and support my habit.  You would need to PC or paint it yourself (I just spray bombed mine for the time being...will get PC'd with a bunch of other stuff shortly.

Since you're the one that started the thread, you can do it yourself.

You'll see a "Move Thread" option at the very bottom left of this page.

Just click that and then select the Accessories and Mods board.   [thumbsup]

Nice clean bike
But if it was mine (i wished it was  ;D) i would change the exhaust a bit
I would try to get the ends pointing up more

Well done. Good to see the "Back yard mechanic" doing such a fine job. That little fairing actually does some good tho. (80 + mph)

Interesting statement that your dealer made about shortening the exhaust. Would have been nice to see a B4 & after Dyno. Could be alot of other Termi owners chopping those cannons.

More Pics & updates always appreciated.

Lol, I've been called a lot of things before, but never BYM :D  Since I'm 6'5", that fairing really doesn't seem to do much for me (not that I can really tuck in anyway).

I'll have some dyno results after the summer is over.  Bike made 133whp in the DP Ecu/exhaust/airbox lid removed.   With all of the exhausts I've fabbed in the past, and tuning/dyno experiance, I'd bet dollars to donuts the HP hasn't changed a smidge :)  (new career...last one was metal fab).

Sorry man,,, wasnt trying to offend. I am the BYM. I wish I had your skills. I am pretty sure I could tackle the chopping of the Pipes,,considered knocking a couple inches off of the Zards,,, as,, I think they are a little to long as well.

133 rwhp,,,your right up there where it should be. Hopefully I will get #s like that,,,one of these days :)

Nice job there  [thumbsup] love the s4r!!!

No offense taken whatsoever :D  Chopping is pretty easy.  Getting the cans cut straight could be a pain...I used a chop-saw so that made it easier. 

Thanks everyone for the compliments :D  Hopefully those Ti bolts get here by the weekend, I'm itching to ride again.

clean duc. i like it. good colors.
i also like the talon (w/intercooler) in the background too.

Hooray, the bolts just showed up.

LOL at Ti stuff.....I know it's a bit lighter, but I saved.....wait for it...a whopping half pound in fastener weight on the front end. Thats every fastener Ti cept for the axle/axle nut, and the caliper mounting bolts were on backorder.

Would I buy them from a race shop at 10$ something each...hell no! The whole front end was swapped to Ti fasteners for less than what most people pay to fill up their yukon at the pump. Thats what happens with me though. I needed only 2 m5x40's, and said...shit, while I'm at it, I might as well order this and that.


Subtle changes really.  Headlight sits about 2" lower, along with the gauges under the triple, and the fairing lowered.  Still need the right frame plugs to show up, and mount the plate.  Some small signals on the front, and the rear taillight is an integrated LED piece now. 

Looking for a better option for a headlight.  Suspension is up next :D



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Sweet bike indeed.

Has anyone mentioned the health hazards of cutting into carbon fiber.  I've heard that the dust is really really nasty.  Always wear a respirator when cutting that stuff.

 [beer]

I wouldn't huff it thats for sure.

I just hold my breath as I cut the pipes, blew them off with compressed air, and resumed normal breathing after walking away :)  If you cut carbon like that everyday, I would strongly advise some sort of breathing equipment.

New updates include a carbon muffler hanger that I vac-bagged, and some nice fasteners to replace the steely ones.

Heel guards are in the vac bag curing as I type.  I can't wait to get my camera back from the shop.  Pics ASAP!

I almost made a mold of the seat cowl and front fairing, but I think I can buy them for about the cost as I can make them.  Idea is to keep the matte grey finish, but instead of a vinyl stripe in black, it will be exposed carbon.

Now...where can I find a carbon tank for less than a grip.

Man those monoblock brakes look SEXY as hell!!!! Whats the t stand for?

Alright wheres the nearest crashed S4Rt. I want those on my bike!


Carbonfiber rips up your lungs if you breathe it in. If you breathe it in, and it gets caught in your nostrils, prepare to wake up to a pool of blood.

looks great!  love the garage too...got more pics?

tell us about the other bike in the background!  What stand do you use?

you sir, are my hero

Your bike is absolutely friggin beautiful!  Are those the stock levers/resevoirs?  They are waaaay cleaner than the S2R setup,
MORE PICS!!!!

great bike man.....

can you post up a link to where you got all the bolts IF they do online business?

HELL, that could be a nice little side gig for you, putting all that together for a front end.

I'll get some current pics of the garage with the new cabinet I built....and the carbon bits....once my damn camera comes back ugh.

I've got a cool surprise coming for it....a custom magnesium triple with a better offset than stock.  Not only is it less than half what the stocker weights, but it'll be much stiffer, and offer better handling/more weight on the front end.  I'm sure another set or 2 could be made if anyone is interested.  PM/Email me.

Stock resi/mounts.  I only replaced the stock bolts up there with tapered heads (in Ti)

DP is the rear stand I use for the monster, Baxley sport chock for the front.
999 sits on a pitbull rear, t-rex front stand

Lift is a ??? that I picked up local for $150.  No, it's not air or hydraulic operated, but it only takes about 15 pumps to get it full height which lets me work on the bike without bending over.  I wanted a handy lift or something similar, but for the $$ and it's use (I'm not a service center....bikes don't go up/down all day) what I bought works well.

I dunno if they even call it the "T".  It's a S4R testa, or titanium (paint).  I think thats why I got on this Ti kick....figure the paint is called that, so the bike ought to be using it to lol.

It's actually a buddy of mine, not sure if he does anything online, but I'll ask him.

I was planning to put together some "kits" for those that want to replace areas of their bikes with Ti (fork "kit", Calipers, clutch, etc..)  He sells the stuff much cheaper than pro-bolt.  I keep trying to get him to give up his source but he won't :D.

I'm thinking about becoming a minor sponsor just for that and a few other things I've made (carbon parts).  Until I do though, you'll need to PM me or email me

TAftonomos@gmail.com

dude that is such a GOOD idea because I so want a set.... 8)

You let me know taft, i want some Tibolt kits. How much cheaper are we tlaking about here. casue said freind with the rotor fasteners just droped $60 bones on 12 Ti 6N-AL fastners

is that a tsx without a motor in the background? Good work on the monster, very clean. Im not going for the subtile approach on mine. Cant wait to see pics.

I just went back through this thread.....custom top triple?


I would LOVE one, but I'm almost scared to ask how much they are....

I would love a triple as well... Depending on how much i'd have to drop... My bike is undergoing a pretty drastic transformation right now and I dont really have much more cash to throw at it...


Would love pics of the triple...

Wonderfull bike!  [thumbsup]

BUMP for an update on the project!!  (and a truly beautiful bike)

and for info on your bolt kits

For those looking into Ti bolt kits make sure too put a little bit of anti-sieze on em before you install, titanium threads are known for bonding with what you thread them to :)

YES.  You MUST antiseize any Ti fasteners, good reminder!

Anyway, not a huge update, but here's whats coming up:

Blacked out Rad and oil cooler
New oil cooler lines
Vented clutch cover housing/powdercoated black
Powder coated alternator cover, water pump cover, and H20 tube
Nichols lightweight flywheel.


Pulling off the clutch ended up to be a semi beeeyotch of a job.  Bike has 2200 miles on it.  While pulling the clutch basket off, one of the 8 clutch basket bolt SHEARED off in the primary gear.  Luckly with some heat, a drill and an easy-out, I removed the offender before having to spend XXX$ on a new primary gear.....I would have been PISSED.

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More pics to come, I should have the alt cover back from the PC place later next week.  Can't wait to ride it with the lightweight flywheel.  I bet I'll be going back to the 15t front sprocket after that.

Bike looks great, you're really doing a nice job. email sent regarding the TI bolts. I'm not interested in a "deal" so much as just getting a package with everything in it. I figure your time and expertise are worth something

nice - can you tell me how you 'black out' a oil cooler?

Paint it black :)

Eastwood makes Rad paint.  I bought a can of that, but plan on using high temp engine enamal on the end tanks.  Scuff, clean well, prime/paint.

I'll have more pics up this week. Right now I'm fighting ANOTHER broken bolt.  2 of the 3 genny/winding bolts sheered off in the Alt case.  One came out wih an easy out, the other one BROKE the easy out off.

Luckly I was able to use my super secret TIG welding powers and weld a wire to the easy out, and somehow manage to remove it.  Next up is milling the hole out, and time-cert repair.

Then off the the powder coaters (along with a bunch more stuff) and then re-assemble.    Over the winter I'll anodize the fork tubes, and depending on how deep I'm rolling (broke right now), I might even spring for the DLC on the stanchions.

Damn dude, stripping bolts already? I feel your pain though man. Personally. lol been there too many times.

Here is a pic:

After doing my best to do it the right way, I let anger get the best of me. I tried to drill on either side of the EZOUT so I could get a grip on it, but I quickly realized that wasn't the thing to do.

I think a carbide cutter could eat through that ezout and cheap bolt that ducati used, and a time cert could fix it.
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And here is after I was able to TIG a small rod onto the end of the easy out and remove the rest of it:
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I'm going to head over to a buddies tomorrow and use a Mill and see if I can't unF*$K the cover.

And thanks to this situation, I'm now going to buy myself a mill for X mas....the BST's can wait.

At the risk of buggering it up a little more.  Using a really small flat ended punch try tapping the stud arouind using one of the holes you drilled in it to get the easyout out.  As you probably know small impacts are usally are more effictive at removing threaded parts.  Did the other bolts you removed have locktite?  If so a heatgun or oven might help a little,  no torch! Otherwise set it up on a mill and machine it out.  Might need to put in helicoil afterward.   Cheap-ass Italian hardware [bang]

That little nub on the welding rod above is the last piece of the EZ out that was in the bolt.  Loctited they are/were, but like you said I really didn't want to put too much heat into it. 

Going to the mill tomorrow.  And then I'm going shopping for a mill.  I wish I had the space for a bridgeport, but it's too cramped in my 2 car garage as it is.

Yea, if I had a decent Bridgeport a Harding lath and a place to put them both I'd retire and play my "golden years" away.    PS I'm still think'in about the full termi system.  Got to do a little more research on my options plus convince (fool) my wife why I need these.  The real reason, more power  [evil] wont fly.

NIce bike! love that color combo too  [thumbsup] ever try taking the front fairing off? More balance on the bike. [drink]

FIXED the problem :)

Just waiting for the PC guy to get off his arse, so I can re-assemble the bike.  I finished up fabbing what I could for a customer's exhaust, then turned my attention to the rad and oil cooler.  They are now black. 

I'll have pics up soon.  Contimplating going without rad overflow based upon the coolant I'm going to use (evans NPR-r).  I was also thinking about not putting the fans back on based on the fact I've never ever seen them come on.  Maybe I'll put them back on, and leave them unplugged, that way I can easily test out if they are needed or not, without potentially getting myself in trouble.

Remember, CLEAN is the theme :)


Took your advice, I like it much MUCH better, and it's one less part I need to fuss with modifying.  [beer]

Dude - put the oil fill plug back in before you drop something in there!!!!

Dude, the cover is just sitting on there for the pic :D  But thanks for the concern  [thumbsup] [drink]

As evidenced from the missing screws  [roll]

Did you ever get the "after" dyno testing done post-muffler chop?

Thats the same as throwing away a 24 pack of beer. a few inches of the end is not going to kill your hp.

this response only makes sense after throwing back a 24 pack  ;D [drink] [beer]

I can say with a LOT of experiance that chopping a pipe on the S4Rs isn't going to do a darn thing to the dyno #'s. 

ALL of the tuning is done with the primary tube size, and the placement/size of the 2-1 collector.  After the collector, you are just bottling up the noise, or making it look pretty.  YES, the TOTAL length of the exhaust combined with how restrictive the cans are CAN have an effect of total torque output, but you would need to do something drastic (no mufflers, straight out the 2-1-2 collector) to really effect the mid range torque.

Whats going to make a difference is the large TB's I've fitted, the squish that has been altered, and the cam timing that has been set.  After the riding season ends, the ECU is going oversees to someone that can tune it (DP or stock) and should come back with some good numbers after it's fitted. 

Last one he tuned was 131 w/termi's and open lid, 136 tuned on the dyno, and still with stock cam timing, stock squish, stock everything else :).    I'm shooting for 140ish at the wheel, which should keep me entertained for the next riding season :)

Taft, so when you set the cam timing and get that DP chip back please share that info with us....

My Rs with the Dp is begging for a little more pep in its step...

OH and you should get a slipper......SOOOOOOOO incredible, but you might have issues with using one AND a lighter flywheel?

Slipper might be in the cards for the trackbike, but unless I find 2 cheap, I don't have 2K to drop on clutches anytime soon :(

Whats going to make a difference is the large TB's I've fitted

What TB's did you fit. I thought you couldn't fit bigger one's than the 50's in the monster frame.

Wonder if the oval TB's from the 1098 would fit?

LA

The 999 bodies will work with some massaging. Thing is, I can't get to the dyno until early next year, which is when I'll get them installed.  Then we can see if they will really make much of a difference. 

Look for updated pics soon, PC stuff is here, and I finally got in a tube of yamahonducati bond :D

Now with those can you still use the stock airbox lower?

Also I'm guessing that with that you will need to have the ecu altered?

if you have bigger TBs are you gonna change the vstacks too?

It'll be a completly new setup, and yes the ECU will be tweaked.  [thumbsup]

I just got done installing the powder coated bits, removed side panels/hid wires, re-installed the rad and oil cooler I blacked out, and made some carbon pieces (the side rad guards and a reservoir holder for my 999).  Pics tomorrow when it's light out, but it definatly looks meaner.

Once someone gets my termi exhaust, I'll be fabbing up something pretty cool in it's place.   [beer] [drink] [bacon]

The last model 999S made 143 HP at the crank in stock trim.  A fully kitted S4RS/T should be making about the same as the stock 999S.  So I'm guessing the 54 mm TB should be worth a few HP - maybe 5 HP or so?

I know the oval TB's must be worth their weight in gold, but I wonder if they would fit. I guessing oval cross section is less than 54mm.  I know they claim they flow better than the round ones.

Look forward to you dyno run numbers.

And oh yea, If you decide to make any copies of those megaphones let me know.

LA

Added some powdercoated bits to the bike.

Clutch housing, vented
Clutch PP (cause I'm too cheap to buy a 150$ one)
Billet crank cover
Alternator cover/case
rearset levers
shifter rod
shifter do-dad thing a majig
waterpump cover
radiator tube

Also added:

Billet crank inspection cover
Compwerks pegs
nichols mfg flywheel

Then I:

Painted the rad and oil cooler
changed the oil
changed the coolant to evans NPG-R

Really just a round of cosmetic mods....except the flywheel.

I happen to have my scale around, so I took a pic:

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Yeah, taking 3 1/2 lbs of rotating weight does something alright.  Now the front end comes up with aggressive rollons in 3rd.  Forget first, better be careful.  Second is much quicker to point to the sky as well, but it never came up in third (got light, thats it).  I don't suppose clutching a wheelie up will be easier (less energy stored because of less mass), but that doesn't matter, because I don't do that anyway.  Low speed maneuvering is jerky now, but who rides at 5mph?


Here are the new shots.  I removed the front fairing as suggested.....I like it :)

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As far as the megaphones go, YES, I can duplicate them for you if you like.  I'm STILL WAITING on this machinist to get me the bungs/mounts I drew up so I can finish them up.  They sound freaking great btw :)

As shown in the pics, now I REALLY REALLY need to get the forks anodized black...

God I love your bike. Your frame pops out so much. How did you paint your radiator?
Brian

I used duplicolor engine enamal on the end tanks.  Cleaned, scuffed with scotchbrite, then cleaned again.  I used 3-4 coats of the duplicolor.  Then I cleaned the fins, removed any offending bugs with a pick, and used eastwoods radiator paint.  I ended up with 3-4 coats of each, and then I did the whole thing in the eastwood paint, as there was a slight difference in sheen.

Came out pretty good ehh? :)   Some carbon BST's with red spokes would round it out nicely.....just need to find a deal on the wheels  [laugh]

I have crazy plans over the winter..... like cutting off the rear section of the frame altogether, and making one out of aluminum that bolts on like the SBK's.  Should be able to cut another 10-15lbs off the back end with that :)

Then she'll look like mine.

I just sprayed over the bugs and it still looks good a year later.


I would love it if you could PM me details on pulling off the engine covers to PC them black.  I have been meaning to do that but I keep getting distracted.
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That has to be one of the best color combos you can get. I love your bike and all the extra mods you've added to it. very tastefully done  [thumbsup]

Theo,
Could you post a picture of your gauges mounted below the upper triple clamp from the vantage point of the rider, i.e., looking down at the gauges?

Bike looks fantastic  [thumbsup] Love that red frame, just gotta convince myself I can live without the bike long enough to get mine powdercoated

Going to get to this soon!

LOTS of new mods coming.

More Ti
Ohlins suspenders
DLC coated sliders
Black anodizing and powdercoating
Aluminum frame sections?
Forged wheels?

Holy crap, what has happened :D  [thumbsup]

Dibs on the Showas!!

All I have to say is that if I ever attempt to shorten my Termis, you will all know it because the sound of all the earth's atmosphere being sucked in as my butthole puckers will be pretty noticable. 

Balls of steel man. 

bike looks GREAT!

BIG +1

Driven sprocket + carrier and Ti fasteners+al washers = 1.3 (lbs/ounces)
Stock rear sprocket = 3.4
Stock 525 chain = 2.6
RK 520gxw chain = 1.12

Front sprocket swap (from aftermarket 14T solid to aftermarket 15t drilled = same weight

So far, 2lbs 11 ounces (almost 3/4 lbs) has been shaved of rotating weight off the rear end.

I will weigh up the Ti rotor fasteners, lightweight rotor, Ti caliper mounting and half bolts, and aluminum wheel and sprocket nuts once they arrive.  I should be able to get rid of a solid 4lbs of rotating weight off the rear end while keeping the stock wheel. 

 Just curious Theo, do you think you may have removed a little too much weight from the flywheel? I have heard that this is possible and makes the bike hard to ride. Much like you described at slow speeds.

If you ride around at 5mph, you'ld find it a bit harder to be smooth.  If I was going to be stuck in traffic alot, I'd pass on the flywheel. 

For me, the flywheel transformed the bike.  I've stuck a lightweight flywheel on just about every manual transmission vehicle I've ever owned.  Unless I was drag racing the thing with sticky tires and needed the punch off the line, the lighter....the better. [thumbsup]

I'm with you on that.  I've lightened the FW on almost everything I ever owned - that had a manual trans on it anyway.

I'll never forget the look on my bro's face when I took the flywheel off my brand new 80 model SS and threw it down through the woods.  He said you can't do that.  Sure I can. Put a little over 100,000 mi. on it that way.

Ran one of those 9 oz. Nichols on my old s4r too.

Good ole Reg Pridmore machined my old BMW FW from just over 13 lbs. to just under 6 lbs. and I took my BMW car from 25 lbs. to 12 lbs.  It's a great mod in my experience.

I wonder how much more the S4RT/S crank weights than the 999SB? ??? 

LA

did you have to do any adjustments to make it idle better?

What's an S4Rt?  Is that an early S4RS?

No idle adjustments needed, but I will need a few things tweaked once the new ECU arrives  [cheeky].  Then comes figuring out the pinouts on the dash, and replacing it with something smaller  [thumbsup].


The S4Rt/S bikes got the early 999's heavy crank and rods, but the later model's "S" cams.  There is a bunch of wieght on and around the crank that is begging to be removed, but that will have to be next winters project.....I'm already FAR behind in what I need to do for this summer :)

I called my bike the S4Rt, as it's the testa monster (deep sump testastretta) and it's the titanium paint scheme.

The official Ducati Name was the S4R Testrastretta which is identical to the S4RS Testrastretta except for the forks and rear shock. The S4R did have the nice Titanium / Red color combo not available on the S4RS, which is my second favorite color combo, second to the white / red

Theo,

Just weighed my new 25mm Ti axel and the stock one:

Ti= 8.200oz
Stock= 11.965oz

Almost 1/4 of a pound right there, not bad.

Do you have any Ti bolt kits ready to go?

+1 on that. I'm willing to pay for your time as well just to get the right parts

Working on the lists guys.

1/4lb in the axle is awesome!

Anyone know if the axle is the same as the 999's?  Found a  supplier that has a few in stock.


I was planning on breaking the kits up, or do you want the whole shebang?

Something like:

Front forks/pinch bolts/fenders/controls

Engine case

Rear

Etc?

Right now I'm working with a machinist to create some Ti bolts for the rearsets......those ones are heavy steel things

duplicate

Personally I'll take what ever you got. I'll probably buy everything, but do yourself a favor and make more granular kits. This way if some folks just want the front fork assembly they can get just that

The 996 type and the 999 type axles are different. I have to use the 996 type 25mm, I'm not sure if they changed the 07+ S4R's to the 999 type axel.

Here is what Moto has listed:

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=123%7CDucati%20Suspension&productID=2788&showDetail=1&categoryID=124 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=123%7CDucati%20Suspension&productID=2788&showDetail=1&categoryID=124)|748%2D998%20Suspension&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=5%7CSuspension

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=123%7CDucati%20Suspension&productID=2948&showDetail=1&categoryID=451 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=123%7CDucati%20Suspension&productID=2948&showDetail=1&categoryID=451)|749%2F999%20Suspension&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=5%7CSuspension

Also, get one that has the hard surface coating.


Right now on Ti bolts I could use: radial brake bolts, fender, pinch, triple, CC rearsets, and controls

I would be open to a shebang if the price is right. [thumbsup]

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/TheoAftonomos/DUcati%20S4Rt/DSCN5736.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/TheoAftonomos/DUcati%20S4Rt/DSCN5735.jpg)

And an exhaust I've been working on.  Soon as the shock gets back and I can raise the rear up to the correct height, I'll finish the hanger for it :)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/TheoAftonomos/DUcati%20S4Rt/DSCN5738.jpg)

Wow [bow_down]

WANT

Those cans are.. hmmm what's the word?  VERY  NICE!!!!!!!!

i love that 2 in 1 header!

Some have asked for details:

Forged march wheels (aluminum), powdercoated gloss black.
Ti rotor bolts
Floating rotor buttons
"special" axle (not Ti, it's lighter than Ti by about 15%)
1098 monoblocks
1098 forks, anodized black w/penske internals
Ti caliper bolts
Ti pinch bolts
RCS master cylinders

Exhaust is a front arrow section (for the price, it's unbeatable).  Cans are made by....me

Once it's back together I'll ride it a bit more (summer).  Come cool-time I'm going to proceed with hacking the subframe off and building the aluminum one.  I've already done one on a scrap frame, and have the fittings made up.  Reason I'm going to wait is the bike will get painted/frame powdercoated at that time....and I know how long those things can take.  If I do that now, I'll likely miss out on the season all together....and go crazy.

HID setup is done as well.....I need to take some pics and post up on that.  Lens heat formed perfectly in the oven.  Only thing I need to do is paint the inside of the bucket silver (projector is small/silver....hopefully silver interior on the bucket will make it blend in).  So it's a stock housing with a bi-xenon projector in it.  Sharp cutoff line, minimal glare (if any), and somewhat cheap ($250?).

Oh yeah....I need a headlight U bracket.  I did 4-5 of those for people, and never got any cores back......and I sent mine out as well thinking I'd get a core......lol 

Still need to find someone to "fix" my rearsets (ducati ano' faded), finish some small carbon bits (rad protector, heel guards), get my rotor back from lightening and assemble the rear end (all Ti back there too lol).

I've built a little anodizer for Ti.  Once I can figure out what color (and after the frame mod), I'll anodize all of the bolts a contrasting color.  Pretty sure I've got most of the Ti fasteners (minus some engine bolts) that I can get at this point.

And that list of mine is done...... I almost cried when I saw what I'd spent on bolts  [bang] [laugh] 

At least after the coming winter it ought to finally be "done".  I used to be able to do a project like this in 2-3 months TOPs, but with grad school, a 1 year old, and a "fairly" stressful job, I don't always feel like working on it.

I would allow that exhaust to sleep next to me in my bed ;D Probably smells nice too. (hands over the blanket, of course)

$250 for a bolt on/in projector, not bad [thumbsup] Sorry if you already answered, but is it a plug and play thing? No soldering, no external ballast, already mounted in a bucket with lens?

"sort of".  There isn't any real fabrication to get it to work, but you will need to do some wiring.  I'm sticking the ballast in the tail next to the rectifier.  The rest of the stuff I'm hiding in my battery box.  I've got a speedcell battery in there that takes up about 1/4 of what the OEM battery does.

Exhaust looks outstanding  [evil] [evil] [evil] [evil] [evil] now hurry up with the hanger so I can get them on my bike. Excellent  work Theo

It's on the top of the list for the weekend :) [thumbsup]

Glad you like how it turned out.... it wasn't "easy" :D

i can already tell this will be a future BOM

Really like the bike!  I'm going to have to start some searches on lowering the gauges and the headlight, as that look is truly outstanding.

New pics from yesterday.  Nearly there, just need to work a bit more.  I finished the fuel line fitting mod (Omega quick disconnects) as routing the lines over to the left side to hide them left them precariously close to popping off...right on the rear exhaust header. 

Finish the left side headlight bracket, get the new master link and correct sized sprocket, and do SOMETHING with those ugly plastic reservoirs...

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/TheoAftonomos/DUcati%20S4Rt/DSC_0410.jpg)
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 [bow_down] [bow_down]

WOW

Really nice.   [bacon]  Think you could shoot a few closeups of the fuel line setup with the disconnects

GREATS!!! [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

Sweet ride.  Very nice  [thumbsup]

It's been said but the exhaust is a masterwork. I just had to restate it. I'd love to be able to buy something that came close to that kind of sano look. Best looking Monster exhaust on the planet. Enough's enough I'm going to night school to learn fab skill.

Please post a video of it running and revving. I'm highly curious if it sounds as good as it looks.

I dig the cans - looks like Arrow headers and a custom exhaust?

 [thumbsup]

Ok, well some more stuff came in.  

I need to quit changing shit, and finish/ride it.  It's been over a year! :(

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/TheoAftonomos/DUcati%20S4Rt/Suspenders/BST-Ohlins.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/TheoAftonomos/DUcati%20S4Rt/Suspenders/frontend.jpg)


Need
-shorter clutch line
-shorter throttle cables
-black handlebars ????

how did you black out that radiator? 

I love the black fork legs with the black triples.

The rotating of the bars is cool too.

Those S&P pegs are grippy huh?

Mean looking ti  [thumbsup] nice work!

Wow. Not only is it lighter, it looks lighter and cleaner. You have uncluttered it so well. It's brutal. [clap]

Can't wait. Wonderful!!!! Celli

looks great so far!

see if you can source a carbon fiber handlebar [thumbsup]

(http://www.motowheels.com/italian/images/lg83766141.jpg)

http://tinyurl.com/26yhvr5 (http://tinyurl.com/26yhvr5)

Looking great   [thumbsup]
Is that the Desmoworld headlight or did you fab it up?

Heat formed lexan
Bi-xenon projector housing
stuck inside a stock monster bucket.

Nice, paint the bars black, get your line and cables and go ride that thing!

Slow progress, but the wheel/rotor/caliper combo is finally working together.

Those are some Ohlins FG forks intended for a 916-996 bike.  The wheel is from a 999, the rotors are WSBK Brembo's with zero offset and some funky bolt holes.  Bolts are Ti, calipers are stock 1098 "monoblocks".

Getting this combo to work together has been a pain in the ass, but it seems like it's finally fitted up/torqued down, and clearances are working.  I don't think I'll ever attempt to frankenstein a front end together....I did it cause I had the parts, and they are unique enough I was having trouble selling them.

Anyway, sneek peek:

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/TheoAftonomos/DUcati%20S4Rt/S4Rtfrontwheel-rotor.jpg)

I was going to complement you on a job well done, rave about those wheels and fork lowers,
beg for more photos and wish you a very merry Christmas.....


,but



now I have to report you, sue you and/or shoot you [evil] ....
.... your new avatar is just beyond acceptable


 ;)

+100  [thumbsdown]

LMAO.

I thought Raux would like the Hoff most of all.  He's nearly a national hero in Deutschland. 

You forget I'm old enough to remember KnightRider.

KIT would not approve of that avatar

  [clap] bravo on the front end

The avatar...  not so much.

Front end looks great! I just finished mine as well. A little more straightforward than yours but still quite involved. BST wheel, sbk forks w ohlins guts, Ti bolts and nuts, TPO axle, IMA triples, ISR monoblocks and rotors, MW or Mad-Duc speedo replacement spacer and whatnot. I'll post pictures separately so as not to confuse the thread I figure.

I did all this and now I am left to figure out a gauge setup. Oops. Hopefully you aren't left with any such predicament. Looks like I have an excuse to lower the headlight too.

Brackets done, off to He-Man for some powder coating....

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Also got my new rotors finished up, buttons installed.  Ended up changing the front around a bit...didn't like the clearance with those rotors...and they were nearly a pound heavier per side!

Hard to know what to say. Just taking it all in.
What a great job. Guys like you show the way. [wine] [clap]

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Shorter trottle cable, check

Brackets colored up, check.

Waiting on a black clutch line, a rubber mounting piece for the rearsets, and the 2 large bolts for the rearsets.  A minor bit of wiring to get the on/PL/off switch to work (so I can start the bike without having the HID bulb start/stop suddenly), and I'll get to try out all the mods.  Weird...I've been through 12 different bikes in the past 3 years, but never once thought of selling the monster.

After the season is over I plan to attack the instrument cluster, and possible strip it down for a color change/aluminum subframe mod.  Can't see doing anything else after that, but you know how that goes...

sweet!

need a pic from a distance though.

Cooool, looks great!  [thumbsup]

Dood, That looks cool!  Ya gonna sell any of those brackets??!

It would be a nice touch if you painted the nut and washer that hold the headlight onto your trellis bracket. You could paint them black to match the headlight bucket or red to match the trellis.

Those headlight brackets are pure awesome.

So's the headlight!_

+1 on headlight for sure!

i like that this combines the u-bracket and the ears. I'd be all over something like this had I not already gotten the CF ears on both the 900s, one sans u-bracket altogether

Classy. Petit Trellis! :D

It has brakes!

It has electricity!

It's.....still waiting on a FING clutch line.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/TheoAftonomos/DUcati%20S4Rt/photo5.jpg)

Nice!  I must of missed the post where you said you got BST Wheels.

love it! SUPER nice bike.

where are you hiding the front turn signals?

Bar end signals...

Beautiful, but why not use the passenger peg mount for the shock preload reservoir thingy?

don't know if you'd want the gas reservoir that close to the hot pipes.  could, however, be run up on the otherside of the tail - opposite the pipes, but in a similar 'under-tail' location. I can't remember what is over there on those bikes.

Nothing.  That's where I'd put it.

Plan on carbon belt covers? Nothing wrong with the standard to me, but with so much other bling on the bike it would be good to have a piece of carbon to balance with the fender. Also, how about some ceramic semigloss on that exhaust, which to me is the best looking S*R setup that exists. I'll bet it sounds killer. Is it glasspacked?
IIRC you've spent a lot on Ti fasteners to get the weight down; maybe some lighter rotors (aren't those steel carriers)?

999 rotors (aluminum carriers) w/TPO buttons (lighter as well)

I think I'm gonna mill the covers.  If I can score a set of carbon covers for good $$$ I'll snag'em.

I might move the preload adjuster when I get the shock rebuilt.  The darn hose they include with the thing is way to long.  Other side of the bike has the ohlins steering damper (side mount) on it, so no room there.  I had a suspension guy tell me he could rebuild the entire shock...plan was to have it ano'd like the forks.  After 2 months of having the shock he shipped it back and told me "sorry, couldn't do it".  Maybe I will end up with a different shock without the damn octopus contraption this one has.  The pre-load adjuster is on the footpeg bracket, other side btw.

Hopefully I'll feel like working on it again after the season is over.....aluminum subframe, more cleaning up, perhaps under-engine exhaust.    I just want to ride the damn thing now!

You think black out the exhaust as well?  Or are you talking the silver ceramic?

No no no! Keep that exhaust, it's tha bomb. You didn't say whether it had glass packing in the mufflers or not. If there were a place to buy something just like it for the other S*R bikes I'd have it by now instead of my home-core job. It really is my favorite.

Now that you mention it, I don't know whether I would semi-flat ceramic blackout the exhaust or do the silverchrome ceramic to it. I'm conflicted there. That silver ceramic looks gooood. It doesn't look like chrome, it has a polished AL or silver look to it. Makes it look a bit lighter and more expensive. But black would go with your bike better. I have a Quat-D midpipe with stock everything else, sent it to Jet-Hot and had it flat black ceramic'ed. It really does lower the surface temps and has held up admirably for the 3+ years I've been running it. If I had it to do over again I'd go semigloss, easier to clean.

After Köpfjaeger's your bike is my second fave. It's grrrrrrreeattt. Post a vid up in HD so we can hear that sucka [thumbsup]

man, a big ol' +1 on ceramic coating. Especially on the S*R and SF exhaust systems where its so close to your boot heels, or on really any Desmoquattro/Testastretta motor where a ton of heat is put out.   And even on DSS 2v Monsters with high pipes, since the hot pipes are routed closer to the riders legs.

Anyhow, I did mine the "ultra-high" temp finish in a chrome or chromex something or other named look. Its advertised as a bright, shiny finish - and it does look great. Its dulled a bit after a few years worth of heat cycles, but I think it looks fantastic still - perhaps better? (because I did not have the pipes done at the same time - they are titanium and I am not into taking some NCR pipes apart and risk botching reassembly to lose part of it down the highway while riding along).


How easy was the TPO buttons install?

The cans have a perf core/wrapped and packed.  Sound level is a small bit louder than a termi setup.  I'll investigate the temps needed to ceramic coat the exhaust....if the packing will survive it I'll probably spring for it.  I'm thinking the silver would be much better than the black, almost make the exhaust the focal point of the bike.

TPO buttons were easy.  Just carefully grind off the stock ones and re-install.  Helps to leave a few stockers on the rotor and replace them as you go...otherwise it's a bit tricky to balance the rotor within the carrier while you are getting a few buttons on.

Ah. that makes sense. Did you need to use the shims? Reading other posts about replacing buttons, I've seen people mention shims for free play and various thicknesses - Since I haven't ripped up a rotor to do this before, its a bit foreign. (I assume its really pretty obvious when you are actually doing it).

The button kit was the button, a washer and the C clip.  I may end up ordering some wave washers from McMaster carr to take up some more of the free play.  The rotors can move a decent amount side to side...more so that I would call "normal".

mine are like that.
a wave washer, but still not solid mount like the stock 696.
you can move it but it doesnt rattle

Curious to know how those 54mm throttle bodies are gonna work out for you...

Update -

After chasing down all kinds of running problems, I reverted back to the stock (dp) ecu and throttles.  Turns out the motor ate something (may have seen my "make the beast with two backs me" thread).  Well, this AM I'm all kinds of excited to say...that the heads are back on the bike after being fixed up.

I'm headed out to find a sacrificial 14mm 12pt wrench, so I can make the tool needed to torque down the head studs with.  After that it should be smooth sailing.  Can't wait....this means I actually get to RIDE my monster (which has been down/apart/parked) for a long time, AND it means I have mo space to begin working more with the 2v stuff that is anxiously waiting.

Did I mention I found some Ohlins forks off a 888 SPO for my 900ss  [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

Just lovely!  All the bests!

It runs, and runs well....just won't idle.

I've sent off for the cables needed to use the ducatidiag software, which will allow me to reset TPS and other things for free :).

Any links? cables and software???

Thanks

Fiat 3 pin OBD

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053NRLHE (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053NRLHE)

OBD to USB adaptor:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002WIN8VQ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002WIN8VQ)

I just uploaded my ECU dump to the site, and I'm awaiting my unlock.  I can start a new thread if you like, but this allows you to do everything that VDST does (and more) for free.  For a small fee (100 euros) you can have complete access, flash maps, remove immobilizer, etc.
 [thumbsup]

Thanks
This is very interesting, start a new thread if you like but please keep us updated on this

I did an extensive write up on TOB, SF Forum. Feel free to look it over. http://www.ducati.ms/forums/138-streetfighter/113620-oh-my-5.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/138-streetfighter/113620-oh-my-5.html)

Performed a DP Flash to my 08 Hyper, Lots of links there too... JP is the Frenchman who wrote the software. http://ducatidiag.xooit.com/index.php (http://ducatidiag.xooit.com/index.php)

You have to jump thru a few hoops, but you get a stable piece of software that does the exact functions of the VDST for the cost of a two cables off of amazon... So you are out $40.

If you choose to buy his Writer software, it's 100 Euros for the first ECU, 50 Euros for ECU's after that. Your original ECU map is saved to your hard drive, plus JP has a copy. You download actual DP maps from his site. There is also a piece of software, ECM, that allows you to read a map, export it to CSV, edit it, and re-flash to the ECU. That and the Belt Tuning App, which is pretty damn cool as well. Throw JP a few bucks if you do just the DucatiDiag, he has definitely earned it!

His software works on the 5AM and 59AM, he is also experimenting with earlier ECU's. Make sure you have Google Translate or something similar to read thru the web site.

I make no money off this. I was just an interested tuner who wrote up his experience. If you fry your ECU by hooking up the power leads backwards, then shame on you.

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 [thumbsup]
Done for this season at least.  It rips.

Congratulations  [clap]. I'm driving through Georgia right now. I wish I was riding my motorcycle instead of riding in the minivan full of kids. I'd love to take a detour and check it out up close.  Seriously good work. You have lot of perseverance.

Thanks Tman!

It was a long journey with a ton of things that happened that shouldn't have.....but hell it's worth it  [thumbsup]

Speaking of a minivan, we took ours (aka "the dream crusher") up to NE last week.  I'm not a long distance driver, but 15 hours went by pretty quick in that thing.  I'd never attempt a journey like that with wife, one kid and a mom in a car.

you gotta throw us a few more pics theo!!

Yeah, it looks great!  Quit teasing us!  More pix!

the angle of that photo makes it look like you have a really sharp and low profile seat cowl!! i like it, very fast looking....

I think it's time to sell this thing..... :-[

Are you going to part it out and take it back to stock or sell it as is?  It is hard to let bikes go, but the more you do it generally the easier it gets.

Are you riding something else lately? 

Let me know if you want to get rid of the headlight/ballast set up.  [drink]

Build of epic proportions.
Build of utmost quality.
Thats a weapon alright [thumbsup].

And then it was gone :(

If I look back at the journey building it and the good times/fun I had it was worth it.  If I look at the bottom line it makes me a bit ill.

Monster-less...hopefully you will let me hang around anyway.

They let me stay ;)

You knew going into a build like that that you weren't going to get all your money back out of it.  The value is in the time spent with the project.

I prefer NOT to count the $ when building one of my own bikes.

Yes, you can hang-out...  I officially 'OK' it.