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MOTO GP FREE PRACTICE 1
1   1   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   307.5   1'34.321   
2   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   308.0   1'34.908   0.587 / 0.587
3   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   304.7   1'35.065   0.744 / 0.157
4   11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   299.3   1'35.202   0.881 / 0.137
5   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   308.3   1'35.213   0.892 / 0.011
6   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   303.8   1'35.239   0.918 / 0.026
7   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   302.8   1'35.318   0.997 / 0.079
8   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   304.3   1'35.336   1.015 / 0.018
9   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   303.5   1'35.403   1.082 / 0.067
10   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   302.4   1'35.829   1.508 / 0.426
11   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   304.3   1'36.291   1.970 / 0.462
12   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   305.3   1'36.500   2.179 / 0.209
13   14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   283.8   1'36.935   2.614 / 0.435
14   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   284.1   1'37.916   3.595 / 0.981
15   54   Mattia PASINI   ITA   Speed Master   ART   282.1   1'38.140   3.819 / 0.224
16   68   Yonny HERNANDEZ   COL   Avintia Blusens   BQR   287.0   1'38.209   3.888 / 0.069
17   51   Michele PIRRO   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   FTR   289.9   1'38.255   3.934 / 0.046
18   77   James ELLISON   GBR   Paul Bird Motorsport   ART   284.2   1'38.943   4.622 / 0.688
19   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Came IodaRacing Project   Ioda   273.1   1'39.110   4.789 / 0.167
20   22   Ivan SILVA   SPA   Avintia Blusens   BQR   284.9   1'39.729   5.408 / 0.619
   7   Chris VERMEULEN   AUS   NGM Mobile Forward Racing   Suter   283.8   1'41.398   7.077 / 1.669

FREE PRACTICE 2
1   1   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   307.6   1'33.740   
2   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   308.5   1'34.005   0.265 / 0.265
3   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   304.1   1'34.136   0.396 / 0.131
4   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   305.3   1'34.437   0.697 / 0.301
5   11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   300.3   1'34.467   0.727 / 0.030
6   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   304.3   1'34.585   0.845 / 0.118
7   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   304.3   1'34.610   0.870 / 0.025
8   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   309.2   1'35.079   1.339 / 0.469
9   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   302.2   1'35.112   1.372 / 0.033
10   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   301.8   1'35.132   1.392 / 0.020
11   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   303.6   1'35.201   1.461 / 0.069
12   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   305.8   1'35.787   2.047 / 0.586
13   14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   287.8   1'36.438   2.698 / 0.651
14   68   Yonny HERNANDEZ   COL   Avintia Blusens   BQR   287.5   1'36.928   3.188 / 0.490
15   54   Mattia PASINI   ITA   Speed Master   ART   286.1   1'37.093   3.353 / 0.165
16   51   Michele PIRRO   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   FTR   286.9   1'37.310   3.570 / 0.217
17   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   287.6   1'37.585   3.845 / 0.275
18   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Came IodaRacing Project   Ioda   273.3   1'38.255   4.515 / 0.670
19   22   Ivan SILVA   SPA   Avintia Blusens   BQR   286.9   1'38.260   4.520 / 0.005
20   77   James ELLISON   GBR   Paul Bird Motorsport   ART   284.2   1'38.395   4.655 / 0.135
21   7   Chris VERMEULEN   AUS   NGM Mobile Forward Racing   Suter   286.8   1'39.383   5.643 / 0.988

FP3

Pos.   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time   Gap 1st/Prev.
1   1   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   303.3   1'33.945   
2   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   303.6   1'34.425   0.480 / 0.480
3   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   305.3   1'34.429   0.484 / 0.004
4   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   299.9   1'34.456   0.511 / 0.027
5   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   300.7   1'34.471   0.526 / 0.015
6   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   306.0   1'34.636   0.691 / 0.165
7   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   300.0   1'34.757   0.812 / 0.121
8   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   303.7   1'35.081   1.136 / 0.324
9   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   297.2   1'35.261   1.316 / 0.180
10   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   301.3   1'35.328   1.383 / 0.067
11   11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   298.0   1'35.423   1.478 / 0.095
12   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   304.4   1'35.468   1.523 / 0.045
13   14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   286.3   1'36.389   2.444 / 0.921
14   51   Michele PIRRO   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   FTR   284.7   1'36.666   2.721 / 0.277
15   68   Yonny HERNANDEZ   COL   Avintia Blusens   BQR   283.8   1'37.138   3.193 / 0.472
16   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Came IodaRacing Project   Ioda   268.9   1'37.666   3.721 / 0.528
17   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   283.4   1'37.692   3.747 / 0.026
18   77   James ELLISON   GBR   Paul Bird Motorsport   ART   280.9   1'37.940   3.995 / 0.248
19   22   Ivan SILVA   SPA   Avintia Blusens   BQR   281.6   1'38.344   4.399 / 0.404
20   7   Chris VERMEULEN   AUS   NGM Mobile Forward Racing   Suter   282.3   1'39.507   5.562 / 1.163
54   Mattia PASINI   ITA   Speed Master   ART   278.4   1'46.663   12.718 / 7.156

QP

Pos.   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time   Gap 1st/Prev.
1   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   303.7   1'33.638   
2   1   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   306.0   1'33.941   0.303 / 0.303
3   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   304.0   1'33.976   0.338 / 0.035
4   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   300.8   1'34.104   0.466 / 0.128
5   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   302.4   1'34.178   0.540 / 0.074
6   11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   299.0   1'34.669   1.031 / 0.491
7   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   298.5   1'34.907   1.269 / 0.238
8   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   300.4   1'34.922   1.284 / 0.015
9   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   305.1   1'34.950   1.312 / 0.028
10   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   301.8   1'35.250   1.612 / 0.300
11   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   298.5   1'35.291   1.653 / 0.041
12   14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   286.5   1'35.694   2.056 / 0.403
13   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   300.7   1'35.862   2.224 / 0.168
14   51   Michele PIRRO   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   FTR   283.7   1'36.646   3.008 / 0.784
15   68   Yonny HERNANDEZ   COL   Avintia Blusens   BQR   283.6   1'37.202   3.564 / 0.556
16   77   James ELLISON   GBR   Paul Bird Motorsport   ART   279.2   1'37.666   4.028 / 0.464
17   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   281.3   1'37.760   4.122 / 0.094
18   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Came IodaRacing Project   Ioda   269.5   1'37.767   4.129 / 0.007
19   22   Ivan SILVA   SPA   Avintia Blusens   BQR   282.0   1'38.198   4.560 / 0.431
20   54   Mattia PASINI   ITA   Speed Master   ART   279.3   1'38.511   4.873 / 0.313
21   7   Chris VERMEULEN   AUS   NGM Mobile Forward Racing   Suter   281.8   1'38.658   5.020 / 0.147


The Ben showed some signs of improvement at the end of QP. Rossi put himself in his best grid position so far this year. I hope they can both do well tomorrow. I'm looking forward to Spies, Rossi, Crutchlow, Dovisioso tomorrow.

And of course..... Moto 2/3  [bow_down]

Maybe he's retired already?

Dovi is rocking the boat!! [thumbsup]

Rossi podium in the wet tomorrow. 

 :o amazing race

BOOM


Pos.   Points   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time/Gap
1   25   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   141.6   49'39.743
2   20   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   141.1   +9.905
3   16   1   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   141.0   +11.298
4   13   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   140.2   +29.361
5   11   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   140.0   +32.477
6   10   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   140.0   +32.842
7   9   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   138.8   +59.759
8   8   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   138.5   +1'05.152
9   7   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   138.4   +1'07.846
10   6   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   138.2   +1'13.193
11   5   77   James ELLISON   GBR   Paul Bird Motorsport   ART   137.6   +1'26.663
12   4   54   Mattia PASINI   ITA   Speed Master   ART   137.5   +1'27.633
13   3   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   135.8   1 Lap
14   2   51   Michele PIRRO   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   FTR   135.4   1 Lap
15   1   68   Yonny HERNANDEZ   COL   Avintia Blusens   BQR   135.0   1 Lap
16      11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   133.1   1 Lap
17      7   Chris VERMEULEN   AUS   NGM Mobile Forward Racing   Suter   131.3   2 Laps
18      22   Ivan SILVA   SPA   Avintia Blusens   BQR   126.8   2 Laps
Not Classified
9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Came IodaRacing Project   Ioda   137.3   4 Laps
14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   130.5   6 Laps
17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   133.1   17 Laps

+1

The Duc is a hog! It loves being dirty. I think that the bike does the same time wet or dry and the other bikes lose a lot in the wet. Lorenzo is just sick. The Tech 3 boys impress me on every race. Even Dovi was more aggressive, which is nice to see. Stoner has never done well in the wet and this time he blamed the bike not warming up the tires. He will still dominate throughout the year. All in all great battle for third and then second.

Really nice to see Rossi back in his old form again... love him or hate him when he's on it's just good racing.

Great race.  Its too bad we can't get rain every week.  The Crutchlow/Dovi/Rossi battles were fantastic and it was nice to see Stoner and Rossi have some scraps on the last few laps as well.  Fun times.

Lorenzo was on it today!

Ben Spies has lost his edge I think.  The guy needs to get out of his funk quick, although I fear his seat is already gone.

Who  ???

Did anybody else see Stoner's tire at the end of the race?  :o

[clap] to Jorge... now if only he could stop looking at himself in the mirror...

You have got to feel for Ben, the pressure must be  immense at the moment.

imho - wouldn't hurt if his mom went home, and stayed there....

This race raises a question I've had for the last couple of years: Why is the Ducati a nearly unrideable handful in dry conditions, and competitive in the wet? The main complaints I've heard in public about the bike are: A) lack of front end feel, and B) it's difficult to get on the throttle as soon as the competition on corner exit - and often a combination of the two. I would have thought that wet conditions would make both of these characteristics radically worse and make for a pretty terrifying rainy day in the saddle.

I realize we're talking about good in the wet compared to the other bikes on the grid, but it still doesn't make sense to me. Is it something about the bike that just can't come to terms with the dry-conditions Bridgestones, but is on a more level playing field with the rain tires?

+1 about Spies.

Maybe it's just because everyone is going just that bit slower in the wet. When it's dry and everyone is pushing to the max the Ducati is just weird enough that it can't be pushed enough to keep up.

yep.  it's about power delivery.  in the wet they can be much easier with the throttle and still be in the race.

that start for both ben and rdp was scary :/

so great to see rossi riding the bike again

Yeah, I figure it's because the other bikes in the wet feel like the duc in the dry and since the duc riders are used to vague feedback from the front end and being gentle with the throttle they're basically being trained to ride in the wet all the time.

There were some great battles for 3rd and then for 2nd at the end.  I love how Rossi and Stoner traded punches thru a couple different chicanes.  It's brilliant!  I thought it was 2008 again.   [laugh]

One thing that really bugged me was the commercial break on SPEED.  Mid-way thru the race, Rossi was fighting for 3rd Crutchlow and Dovizioso before commercial; comes back and Crutchlow (i thinkk) was gone.  No mention of what happened...  A couple of commercial breaks later, Dovi was gone...  WTF?

motogp.com

Speedtv and their announcer Greg Kramer are awful. Go back to the world feed only. Does anyone really want to hear Kramer butcher the riders names as he kills air time?

And Speedtv hasn't done anything right since nascar took over.

At least, for this week, Speed toned down the background-engine-noise on the world feed so I could actually understand what the announcers were saying...


FWIW - Rossi has always been 'untouchable' on wet/flooded/hurricane-ravaged tracks (except for the time he took out Stoner, but that was Stoner's fault [evil]  ;D) so it's not just that the 'other' bikes are slower under wet conditions.

The parts of the performance envelope that the Ducati is having problems in aren't reached in the wet.

Basically, "vague front end feel" may not occur until you hit  > 45 degree lean angles and you don't see those sorts of lean angles in the wet (unless you're crashing)

Plus Rossi is a beast in the wet  ;D

Apparently so is Lorenzo.

in the immortal words of rob muzzy, "all slow bikes handle well..."

Good one! [thumbsup]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/179954/1/rossi_stoner_joke_about_jerez_2011.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/179954/1/rossi_stoner_joke_about_jerez_2011.html)

Wonder if Stoner's chatter was still happening in the rain if so that would have been one major concern for a high side while pushing the pace. To me, during the race it seemed like Stoner gave in a little and just settled for third rather than risk more and just catch Lorenzo later in the season on points which I'm sure he can do. 

speaking from experience, racing a motorcycle in the rain is not fun. 20 or 16 points is always better than zero.