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It looks like the next Hypermotard will have the 848 Testastretta 11 engine.
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Maybe, but it wouldn't make much sense with the 848 SF.  Who wants a heavier Hyper?  They need to figure out how to take it down under 350 lbs to have something worth talking about.

Maybe a multi 848?

Ducati's making a motard?!  :o



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I didn't know that. What's next? Cruiser or an Adventure  [cheeky]

I agree with MN Monster.

They listened! I said I wanted an Multi 848!

Looks to have a luggage mount in the back there and the seats not flat as the current hyper

Hmmmm

i want a Multi 848!!!!

The Multi 848 seems like the next logical move, however Ducati seems to defy logic. I wonder how long before they release a 848 Panigale.

Yup.  I hear it has a left facing eagle on the tank.

There will be a special model for your market with an emu.

I have heard that increasing noise & CO emmision limits may end up killing the air cooled engine. Even Harley has a new patent on a watercooled twin.  I just hate that all the bikes in ducatis line up are ending up using the same engine, not that the 11 degree testa is a bad engine, but bikes like the hyper  & the monster need a torquier engine like the single cam air cooled motor.  Maybe a single cam water cooled if the air cooled motor can no longer meet emmision standards.  I am still holding out hope for a big bore testa air cooled with 3 valve heads.

Could be for luggage, but could also just be for any data logging device/s they want to attach during the testing phases. 

Ehhh... I'd rather have Travman's Darmah. Motard footard. [roll] And what the hell is up with that muffler cannon?

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Looks like a HM.  I hope Ducati aren't having to go to a 100% watercooled line up.

one thing is certain IMO, they better fix that exhaust crossing in front of the riders leg and the big f...in can that likes like shit.

Maybe the MTS848 wont be a straight MTS1200 with a 848 11degree engine... maybe it's some sort of mts/hym hybrid?  like a touring hym?  848 engine, hyper frame, mts suspension and touring additions?

the reasoning behind this might be because the mtw1200 frame/body is too large and heavy for the 848 for performance?

yea the current monsters are like that right now.. its not that bad, its the not as bad as the rear pipe, but its fine when you are moving

that's a stroodle frame, not the tard...



if it makes production, then god damn you ducati!!! let me pay this damn bike off first!!!!  >:( >:( >:(

new st4?

Isn't the current Hyper based off of the DS1100 Multistrada.  If so, then it would make sense for the next generation Hyper to also share the frame of the current Multi.

A sport tourer would make sense.    ;)
Right now I would choose an FJR or Honda 1200. 

Especially if they're going water cooled with it.

given ducati's lineup history/trends, a middleweight multi makes more sense. new bikes start big, then mid-sized come out to fill in the gaps.

with the new 848SF out*, an 848MTS would be better suited to take on the F800GS over a watercooled tard...

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the SFs certainly fill in the category for a hooligan bike... if they're really going to phase out aircooleds, I can see them eventually dropping the tard

Yeah, but not in the same vein.  The Streetfighter bikes, while fun as hell, are no where near the same sort of lunacy that a motard (like) bike brings.  It wouldn't actually surprise me to see the Hyper go liquid cooled.  They've (Ducati) have consistently been spanked by liquid cooled motard-like bikes (think KTM and Aprilia) overseas, so why not join them?  And if they go that route there, it only makes sense to follow in the same direction here.

the new audi bike?

true, but given how well received the new stroodle has been been, a midweight adventure seems a closer fit into the model line, vs. a brand new tard.

I could see them maybe putting out an 848MTS, and later stripping it down to be the new tard when it's time to update, but if they really wanted to release a 4v tard, they'd find a way to cram the motor into the tard's frame to keep the look consistent, just like how they did with the monster.

The diff between a tard and mts.
Fuel cap and range
seat size and comfort
storage cap
wind potection
seating position and ergos
weight

From a design standpoint none of those are a simple change so they have to be different bikes

Here is a quote from Ducati San Antonio's Facebook page

"DNA states this is the last year for the 2v air cooled engines. All bikes are to be water cooled for 2013. We will see..."

So the Hypers and Monsters won't be sold next year.  [roll]  Dealers will say a lot things because they want to sell the models on their sales floor.

seeing that they developed the sf for the sole purpose of ensuring the monster line was pure air cooled.  doubt that's true

by 'strip it down' to go from current multistrada to potential new, watercooled hypermotard, I meant it as using the chassis/motor and building a new gen bike from there. not just nakedifying a bike can calling it something else.


sort of like how the hypermotard came about in the first place, picking at leftovers from the old multistrada  :-*

Well you will note at the end of the quote they said "we will see..." so it sounds as if the dealer is even a bit sceptical of DNA

it would make sense to have 1 line of engines to use in all of their bikes, makes it easier to mass produce them if they dont have to have 5 different engine production lines, especially if you can do 3 just engines instead, although a smaller multi might be the direction to go, as the current one might appear very intimidating to the new riders who would go for say the honda nt700 or a bmw f800GS,

it is probably just a mule for testing engines.  engine mounts are the same on all the bikes, pretty much.

http://ducati.kontain.com/ducachef/entries/89763/the_new_ducati_hyper_/#tracking=/email/friendUpdate (http://ducati.kontain.com/ducachef/entries/89763/the_new_ducati_hyper_/#tracking=/email/friendUpdate)

I'd be all over that.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-hypermotard-848-spy-pict-exhaust/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-hypermotard-848-spy-pict-exhaust/)

A MTS/HYM hybrid makes sense imo

It was mentioned by Ducati during the DOC President meetings pre WDW [thumbsup]

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A bit more interesting to me now.

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/07/not-another-ducati-spy-photo/#more-24884 (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/07/not-another-ducati-spy-photo/#more-24884)

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Well look at that...they made an ugly KTM 990 SMT!  [laugh]

Oh dear....

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now the question of the day is:  If the price difference is 2k between the full strada and the half strada which one would you choose?  Historically I don't see that Ducati makes the difference in price enough so that I would choose the smaller of the two....personally speaking that is.

So wait - the lower one is a MTS848?

Ha! I said they should do that a couple years ago. Come for me for your lotto numbers

The way that thing looks, I'd pay $5K more easy for the big one...and it's ugly too, just nowhere near as ugly.  [puke]

16 litre tank...what a joke for something aimed at touring.

I have no idea whay anyone would buy this over the KTM SMT...unless you didn't have a KTM dealer nearby.

I won't be trading my SM-T in for one...that is for sure!

Both are hym. lower is strada version

strada is their new touring name

there is a diavel strada also

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+ a lot

Seems they are an 820

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/11/ducati-hypermotard-hyperstarda-820/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/11/ducati-hypermotard-hyperstarda-820/)

821cc
110hp

I didn't even look at the size of the tank.  :-\  At least this time they are trying to clean up the exhaust and not covering that wheel.

Mechanical (wire) operated clutch  [coffee]

I'd call that a plus...no more slave cylinders to worry about.  [thumbsup]

Here's the new Aprilia Caponord. I like the front with the RSV4 styling, and no beak.  [thumbsup] It would be a lot better if it had the V4 motor though.

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That's more in the MST than the Hyper.

The Hell for Leather article quote $13,995.00 for the Hyperstrada.
It's a lot less the the Multistrada, but then agin it's a lot less bike.
Smaller motor, cable clutch, no DES or Skyhook, no TFT dash...
I do have to agree, it's pretty "unsightly."
I don't kow why they just didn't make a 848 Multistrada?

True, if you're considering engine size. Probably close to the HYM if you're looking at power output though. I didn't really think it deserved its own thread so I threw it in here.

The hyperstrada is not a separate model
just a hypermotard with touring bits

unique bore size (88mm, same as 748), unique crank stroke (67.5mm), why?  i don't understand why you'd make so many versions of the same motor.  there's no 821 class for anything.  the mts 1200 crank is 67.9mm stroke, why not just use that.  surely there's a production engineer somewhere in the company banging his head against the desk.

i don't mind the way it looks tho.  but the people thinking about going up from a 2v bike will ride it and go "uhh".  no midrange.

With those bore/stroke numbers... doesn't that mean something regarding torque?
Which by the way is quite good and at your disposal at 5,750 rpm.

Me thinks http://www.ducati.net/ (http://www.ducati.net/) has a typo in their write up on the Hypermotard SP

"A raised set-up, forged Marchesini rims, fully adjustable suspensions with an ultralight Marzocchi aluminium yoke and Öhlins rear shock absorber for an extraordinary dry weight of 1377 lbs."

That would indeed be an extraordinary dry weight  :P

Extraordinary in a bad way.

The Hyperstrada is $6,000 LESS than the Multistrada Touring!

I'm going to have to test ride it, but I think I found my next bike.

I think im sitting in the same boat.  I really wanted to go with a mutli next but my bank account is saying ouch lol.

i'm yet to see anything that convinces me that bore and stroke relationships have anything more than a very, very minor influence on torque and power characteristics all other things being equal.

you can tune anything for midrange.  which, compared to a 1080cc motor in a lighter bike, it will be lacking.

it's a small mts for those who don't want an mts.  which i can understand, i wouldn't want one either mainly due to the 1200 motor.  the rest of it's ok, if not a bit big.

I feel the same way about the GS1200 vs the GS800. the 1200 is WAY too big

And yet people with tons of money buy them. The 1200 is just too heavy for proper offroad stuff, even though it can handle just about everything. Picking that thing up from the dirt is a PITA. Most people use it for touring, which is an overkill.

Anyway, I would consider the Ape Dorsoduro

http://www.apriliausa.com/en-US/Model/20588/DORSODURO+750/Overview.aspx (http://www.apriliausa.com/en-US/Model/20588/DORSODURO+750/Overview.aspx)

production  of These new 820 series are being ramped up in new thailand right now  they are not built in italy , my mate fredo has already ordered new Hyperstrada for delivery February in pattaya ,

the bikes have cable clutch not ,

wait, what?
the bikes are built in Thailand?

I don't have the statistics, but this is the first year (?) in a long time a Ducati wasn't voted the most beautiful bike at EICMA. The Rivale won.



Off topic: F1 Austin today. WOW - what a circuit [bow_down]

Small wonder.  That thing is flippin UGLY.  And that's coming from a BMW owner.

Brad, OT I know but what have you got against the 1200 MTS motor? Are you leery of the corroding heads etc or was it that you don't like the feel from the 11 deg overlap etc?

it's the 1200cc insurance quotes that kill me.

that's one of the reasons I went with the M696 vs HM1100 back in '08

yep at the Amata Nakorn factory alongside Monster 795 and Diavels  factory opened 1 year ago has a lot of room for expansion .
triumph also have 3 factories in thailand ,
BMW will have one next year , even HD are looking into it
Kawasaki and honda building some big motorcycles here too more manufactures will follow in next couple of years , including Showa, ohlins , and other parts suppliers .

Sorry to dig up the grave on this one, but I'm thinking my next bike will be either this or the F800GS.  (Im WAYYYYY too short to ride the MTS or the R1200GS...)

And my personal take on the looks...I'd brag to my friends about every bike in the lineup.  Except the Diavel.  I STILL can't figure out how that snuck out of the concept book...

All I can think of with that bike:
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HyperStrada 821.  Doesn't exactly fly off the tongue.

Cable actuated clutch though...  Interesting.  No more black clutch fluid...

i just find engines that big somewhat silly, especially in aust where the high enforcement of speed limits and impounding 'hoon' laws makes it somewhat risky to ride a bike over 110km/h in most places.  likewise 1098 and 1198 and anything large actually.  it's just a personal thing, but i'm over bikes that fast.  i have too many commitments to lose my licence.