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Title: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: The Don on June 14, 2012, 04:35:32 PM
I hope the new front tire help Stoner claw his way back


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: desmoquattro on June 15, 2012, 03:47:27 AM
FP1 was wet...let's hope it stays that way.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100374 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100374)

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Pos  Rider             Team/Bike                 Time       Gap
 1.  Valentino Rossi   Ducati                    2m19.328s
 2.  Nicky Hayden      Ducati                    2m19.405s  + 0.077s
 3.  Andrea Dovizioso  Tech 3 Yamaha             2m20.127s  + 0.799s
 4.  Casey Stoner      Honda                     2m20.321s  + 0.993s
 5.  Cal Crutchlow     Tech 3 Yamaha             2m21.263s  + 1.935s
 6.  Stefan Bradl      LCR Honda                 2m21.917s  + 2.589s
 7.  Dani Pedrosa      Honda                     2m22.713s  + 3.385s
 8.  Jorge Lorenzo     Yamaha                    2m23.174s  + 3.846s
 9.  Alvaro Bautista   Gresini Honda             2m23.326s  + 3.998s
10.  Hector Barbera    Pramac Ducati             2m24.150s  + 4.822s
11.  Ben Spies         Yamaha                    2m24.214s  + 4.886s
12.  Randy de Puniet   Aspar Aprilia             2m24.360s  + 5.032s
13.  Mattia Pasini     Speed Master Aprilia      2m24.390s  + 5.062s
14.  Danilo Petrucci   Ioda-Aprilia              2m25.012s  + 5.684s
15.  Michele Pirro     Gresini FTR-Honda         2m25.051s  + 5.723s
16.  Aleix Espargaro   Aspar Aprilia             2m25.065s  + 5.737s
17.  James Ellison     Paul Bird Aprilia         2m25.150s  + 5.822s
18.  Yonny Hernandez   Avintia FTR-Kawasaki      2m25.298s  + 5.970s
19.  Ivan Silva        Avintia Inmotec-Kawasaki  2m28.615s  + 9.287s
20.  Colin Edwards     Forward Suter-BMW         2m31.468s  + 12.140s

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The Ducati rider had led the field during the first half of the session as the weather conditions restricted riders from dipping below the 2m23s bracket.

But as the light rain eased and eventually stopped in the final 10 minutes, times improved by around four seconds. That allowed Rossi to knock his team-mate Nicky Hayden off the top spot by 0.077 seconds with a time of 2m19.328s.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: Speeddog on June 15, 2012, 10:51:20 AM
I hope the new front tire help Stoner claw his way back

 [laugh]


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: The Don on June 15, 2012, 03:15:40 PM
1   1   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   309.8   2'04.791   
2   11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   308.8   2'04.825   0.034 / 0.034
3   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   308.9   2'04.995   0.204 / 0.170
4   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   305.4   2'05.353   0.562 / 0.358
5   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   312.4   2'05.391   0.600 / 0.038
6   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   311.8   2'05.448   0.657 / 0.057
7   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   307.7   2'05.488   0.697 / 0.040
8   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   308.2   2'05.574   0.783 / 0.086
9   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   309.1   2'05.886   1.095 / 0.312
10   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   311.8   2'06.084   1.293 / 0.198
11   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   310.5   2'07.125   2.334 / 1.041
12   14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   290.7   2'07.893   3.102 / 0.768
13   51   Michele PIRRO   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   FTR   287.9   2'08.535   3.744 / 0.642
14   54   Mattia PASINI   ITA   Speed Master   ART   286.6   2'08.975   4.184 / 0.440
15   68   Yonny HERNANDEZ   COL   Avintia Blusens   BQR   288.2   2'09.078   4.287 / 0.103
16   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   287.6   2'09.379   4.588 / 0.301
17   77   James ELLISON   GBR   Paul Bird Motorsport   ART   289.5   2'09.944   5.153 / 0.565
18   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Came IodaRacing Project   Ioda   274.5   2'11.325   6.534 / 1.381
19   5   Colin EDWARDS   USA   NGM Mobile Forward Racing   Suter   284.4   2'11.600   6.809 / 0.275
20   22   Ivan SILVA   SPA   Avintia Blusens   BQR   285.6   2'12.737   7.946 / 1.137
   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: zooom on June 16, 2012, 04:47:49 AM
FP3

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 2:03.941
2 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 2:04.357
3 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 2:04.427
4 Andrea Dovizioso Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 2:04.566
5 Alvaro Bautista Honda Gresini Honda RC213V 2:04.866
6 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 2:05.021
7 Nicky Hayden Marlboro Ducati Team Ducati GP12 2:05.114
8 Hector Barbera Pramac Racing Team Ducati GP12 2:06.377
9 Valentino Rossi Marlboro Ducati Team Ducati GP12 2:06.548
10 Randy De Puniet Aspar Team MotoGP ART 2:07.190
11 Aleix Esparago Aspar Team MotoGP ART 2:07.359
12 Michele Pirro Honda Gresini FTR 2:07.846
13 James Ellison Paul Bird Racing ART 2:08.564
14 Mattia Pasini PayMaster ART 2:08.695
15 Yonny Hernandez BQR BQR-FTR 2:09.275
16 Danilo Petrucci Ioda Racing Project Ioda 2:09.643
17 Ivan Silva BQR BQR-FTR 2:10.048
18 Colin Edwards Forward Racing Suter 2:11.935


Cold yet dry. Crutchlow crashed on his out lap, possibly injuring his ankle. Bradl also crashed and injured his hand and or finger.



Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: ZLTFUL on June 16, 2012, 12:35:29 PM
Bautista with the Pole. Nice...one of the Spaniards I would actually piss on if they were on fire.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: lazylightnin717 on June 16, 2012, 03:01:02 PM
Bautista with the Pole. Nice...one of the Spaniards I would actually piss on if they were on fire.

 [laugh]


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: mitt on June 16, 2012, 04:40:39 PM
the ducati crashes during Q were amazingly similar.  Something is definitely different about their bikes.


mitt


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: lazylightnin717 on June 16, 2012, 07:02:53 PM
Hayden was on a hot lap there too.

And Rossi struggled all weekend searching for the sound and couldn't find it.

Needless to say, I'm praying for rain


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: duccarlos on June 17, 2012, 08:09:43 AM
Excellent race! Spies looked good the first half, then got gobbled up by the aliens. Baptist looked great keeping up with the Repsol boys, but Crutchlow was downright sick with the broken ankle. It got a bit boring towards the end, but  [thumbsup] [thumbsup] in general.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: Speeddog on June 17, 2012, 11:28:49 AM
Really good to see Ben in the lead for a while.  [beer]

Crutchlow is a make the beast with two backsin' animal, starting from last and bagging 6th, with a broken ankle.  :o


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: El Matador on June 17, 2012, 12:05:58 PM
Where's all the Casey is an Animal, he's untouchable, unrivaled talk now?

Lorenzo has been putting on a clinic of how it's done this season. On a bike that's inferior to the Honda.

Great race and great racecraft by Jorge.

:)


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: ZLTFUL on June 17, 2012, 12:38:54 PM
Lorenzo is a beast but Stoner's pace dropped off like a rock so getting around him wasn't a skillful dismantling of a superior opponent but a matter of patience for the Honda to come off the pace.

And before you burst into flames, keep in mind that I told my wife as he was going around Stoner that I may hate him with a passion but he can ride.
But a big part of his win was Stoner not being able to maintain the pace.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: Düb Lüv on June 17, 2012, 01:37:39 PM
Tom Sykes and Nicky Hayden are alike, but Tom loses traction. what's Nicky's excuse?


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: The Don on June 17, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
On a bike that's inferior to the Honda.
:)
That statement is just not true, the Yamaha's have had it over the Honda's all season. Look at what the non factory yamaha's are doing. That Yamaha is something special. Honda better pull there finger out of there arse or George is going to smash them


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: thought on June 17, 2012, 03:26:32 PM
I would say that the Yam is a better bike than the Honda this season... simply due to the chattering they're getting.  Cant really blame Honda for it as it's probably because they designed the bike around the much harder previous tires but well... I guess that's racing.  That previous article also said that it was only Honda that was having issues with the new tires.

And I dont see why Sykes and Hayden would be compared?  Overall I'm actually pretty impressed with Hayden's riding this race.

But yeah, overall good race in the start and mid, a bit boring at the end.

Lets hope spies can keep this up... but even with Spies doing a better job... Cal's performance is pretty much sealing his move to the factory team imo.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: lazylightnin717 on June 17, 2012, 04:13:35 PM
The GP was fun. Nice to see The Ben pulling it together a little more. And Hayden always gets a  [thumbsup] in my book. Damn that inferior Ducati

But the best part of today was Redding and Marquez on the last lap...  :o


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: MadDuck on June 17, 2012, 06:30:29 PM
The GP was fun. Nice to see The Ben pulling it together a little more. And Hayden always gets a  [thumbsup] in my book. Damn that inferior Ducati

But the best part of today was Redding and Marquez on the last lap...  :o

Not only the last lap but a bunch of laps previously too!


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: Triple J on June 18, 2012, 06:41:10 AM
I would say that the Yam is a better bike than the Honda this season...

Agreed. Both are good, but it looks like the Yamaha has the advantage this year.

...which is why Spies' struggles are so weird. I thought he was going to turn it around this race, but nope (although he did do better).

Hayden had a decent ride, given his bike. I was hoping he could stay in the lead pack, but I knew he wouldn't be able to.

Lorenzo put on a show.

...and Crutchlow is the man.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: ZLTFUL on June 18, 2012, 07:22:20 AM
Cal Crutchlow...the new Colin Edwards.  ;D


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: duccarlos on June 18, 2012, 07:46:51 AM
On a bike that's inferior to the Honda.

I think you guys have been pretty soft on this statement. It's outright false. The only Yamaha rider that has been struggling has been the Ben. When both satellite riders are consistently finishing races right behind the aliens is proof enough that you have a sorted bike. When Lorenzo was behind Stoner you could tell that Casey was riding that thing like a bat outta hell. Lorenzo was just hanging out picking his spot. He knew he could pass at just about any corner. i think he was just hoping Casey would go in too hot into a corner, then he just got tired of waiting.

Cruthlow would have finished second, if not fighting for the lead. If it wasn't for the fact that he had to start dead last. That man is a beast and pretty much has the factory seat. If I was the Ben, I would look at the Tech 3 option now before he's forced to really downgrade or head back to WSBK next year.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: desmoquattro on June 18, 2012, 08:36:20 AM
Cal Crutchlow...the new Colin Edwards.  ;D

...but add 5 positions.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: ab on June 18, 2012, 08:43:05 AM
Being a Rossi then Dovi fan, It was sad to see Dovi who was doing great and with the lead pack drop off due to problems (not sure if he crashed).  Between Cal and Dovi, ofcourse I choose Dovi But Cal race today with the crazy injury was great.
I do love it when Cal always cracks on the BBC commentator :-). This time it was about his red pants.  You can see the commentator doesn't really like it and has no good come back (or am I reading into it)


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: El Matador on June 18, 2012, 08:45:34 AM
I think you guys have been pretty soft on this statement. It's outright false. The only Yamaha rider that has been struggling has been the Ben. When both satellite riders are consistently finishing races right behind the aliens is proof enough that you have a sorted bike. When Lorenzo was behind Stoner you could tell that Casey was riding that thing like a bat outta hell. Lorenzo was just hanging out picking his spot. He knew he could pass at just about any corner. i think he was just hoping Casey would go in too hot into a corner, then he just got tired of waiting.

Cruthlow would have finished second, if not fighting for the lead. If it wasn't for the fact that he had to start dead last. That man is a beast and pretty much has the factory seat. If I was the Ben, I would look at the Tech 3 option now before he's forced to really downgrade or head back to WSBK next year.

There is a pretty big difference between sixth and first. I like Cal, but I don't think he's got what it takes to be an alien.

And I guess you guys are right on the Yamaha, though I think it's results are due more in part by the talent that's on it.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: Speeddog on June 18, 2012, 09:09:52 AM
There is a pretty big difference between sixth and first. I like Cal, but I don't think he's got what it takes to be an alien.

And I guess you guys are right on the Yamaha, though I think it's results are due more in part by the talent that's on it.

Granted, Crutchlow gave up ~12 sec to Lorenzo over the course of the race.

But he passed 10 more riders, and had a broken ankle to boot.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: duccarlos on June 18, 2012, 10:23:55 AM
Granted, Crutchlow gave up ~12 sec to Lorenzo over the course of the race.

But he passed 10 more riders, and had a broken ankle to boot.

He was the second fastest rider out there, second to Lorenzo. Let's say he would have qualified second row. That time that Lorenzo took to over take Stoner would have bunch them right up. I agree that Lorenzo would have eventually checked out, but he would have been battling with Crutchlow on his way to the podium.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: ZLTFUL on June 18, 2012, 01:47:01 PM
He was the second fastest rider out there, second to Lorenzo. Let's say he would have qualified second row. That time that Lorenzo took to over take Stoner would have bunch them right up. I agree that Lorenzo would have eventually checked out, but he would have been battling with Crutchlow on his way to the podium.

QFMFT


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: MadDuck on June 18, 2012, 09:28:24 PM

But he passed 10 more riders,           [ and had a broken ankle to boot. ]

I take it no pun intended.   ;D


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: ZLTFUL on June 19, 2012, 05:43:23 AM
Watched the Moto2 race last night. FAN-make the beast with two backsING-TASTIC riding from Redding.

And nice to see Pol dominate that way after the shit stick he was fed in Barcelona.
Wish Crazy Joe had finished a bit stronger as he is still my favorite Moto2 rider but the way Redding was pushing Marquez to the very ragged edge made me feel all warm and IZ_ inside. Definitely a great display of true racecraft from Redding.


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: Spidey on June 19, 2012, 10:48:30 AM
Ben -- started 2d.  Healthy all weekend.  Finished 5th.  On a factory Yami.
Crutchlow -- started 20th.  Broken ankle (he was TAKING HIS LEG OFF THE PEG IN TURNS).  Finished 6th.  On a satellite bike.  3.5 seconds behind Ben.

Ben just officially lost his ride.

Anyone else catch Bautista's front wheel fold (I think it was in Turn 1)?  For the life of me, I can't figure out how he didn't crash.  It made absolutely no sense.  Amazing.   


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: duccarlos on June 21, 2012, 12:33:16 PM
Rossi blaming the frontend feel again:

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201206177284/Rossi-at-a-crossroads-with-Ducati.html (http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201206177284/Rossi-at-a-crossroads-with-Ducati.html)


Title: Re: Hertz British Grand Prix Silverstone Round 6 SPOILERS
Post by: ab on June 21, 2012, 05:03:30 PM
I watched a fully moto3 race at silverstone, now that was a race neck and neck.


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