Ducati Monster Forum

besides doing a ecm upgrade or power programer and a 14tooth front sprocket and exhaust, what can be done to a 2009 696,  I hit the 7500 mile mark and when I do the belts and valve adjustments can the heads be shaved down, is there a stroker kit for this bike or should I just upgrade to a 796? I have seen engine kits for 796 and up but nothing for a 696,  I like my monster 696 and feel very comfortable on it but it just needs a little more umph for me.  any help or advice.  thanks in advance

 I would trade up to a larger capacity model that fits you.

yea, upgrade to a larger bike, i found that the 796 was teetering on the fine line where the insurance jumps significantly, the 1100 would have been a few hundred more a year, i would have considered an 1100 if it wasnt going to kill my bank, i may still upgrade to one eventually but i love my 796

i don't think that a 696 to a 796 merits the change. get some more experience on the 696 and save up.

The 696 still has power that can be tapped.
port and polish, airbox/pods mod, exhaust, ecu/PC V, etc.

just depends how much money you have to put into it.

if you want to keep it for ever you can go nuts like raux, knowing the money you put into it you will never see again.  that's the main point here - hotting them up doesn't just spend money that you won't see again, it can actually devalue the bike compared to a std one.  you can hot anything up, it just takes money.

if you want a 696 with resale then pipes and ecu are all that's worth doing.

if you really want to keep this bike, i'd buy an 1100 motor and fit it.  change the ecu and that's it.  that way you can make it a 696 again to resell and sell the motor seperately.

or buy an 1100 and save yourself a shit load of agro.

+1 to everything he said.

I'm never selling my bike so the mods keep coming.

these guys are on the money...
went the other way for me though... the mods kept on coming, so now im never selling...

some good advice.  I just feel real comfortable on the bike, which does not happen very often.  besides the front suspension being not so good the bike fits me well, I did loose 15 pounds for the bike so I am now 175lb's.  I put leo vince exhaust slip-on's on, which I dont think does anything for performance, is getting a power commander the way to go or actually get the ecm recalibrated so when I put on pod filters or update the rest of the exhaust? 

Don't listen to a hypocrite like me! I had a sensible attack! I have overinvested in my old 900 because it fits me better than any bike I've ridden.

You can fit higher compression pistons, bigger bore, hotter cams, porting, bigger valves, lighten flywheel and clutch, rework suspension and upgrade brakes just to start.

But I would test ride other bigger bikes to check if you fit first.

who is a good source for cams/ engine parts for the 696.  I do searches but dont come up with good results.

I'm running 1100 cams with PC V, Termi ECU and highflow air filter setup.

A lightweight flywheel does wonders as well  [Dolph]

for pistons/rods bore/stroke you'll need to do some custom work.

The 796 is basically a stroked 696. but no one has confirmed deck height/rod length etc.

Also, there are 88mm HC pistons out there, but again, deck height hasn't been confirmed nor pin sizes.

The 696 has the largest valves that will work at that bore (Source: a great Ducati race builder) so a port & polish will definitely help but larger valves will not.

The Throttle bodies are the same as the 1100 so there is plenty of flow there, probably a lot more than the airbox is allowing.

There are a couple of places making Pod filters to increase static flow (IMO pods decrease flow at higher speeds)

No one is making a larger airbox (yet, I keep saying to myself to get off my ass and do it)

A few larger opening airbox mods and filters are available.

The powercommander V is the one that works with the 696

ok cool thanks.  I am going to pick up a 14t sprocket, and the power commander and maybe do the air pods.  on my 2stroke to help smooth out the power band I went from a 2 pod set up to a 1 into 2 set up.  is that something that they offer. obviously the 2 stroke had carburators.  Raux how did the cam swap from the 1100 change the power.  did you have to raise the idle or advance or retard the timing.  that cam swap is getting excited lol

I haven't run a full tune, I just found a shop I trust with it.

The bike definitely has more power now though. With all the changes I have I am certain that someone with skill (not me) could lift the front.

It just needs to be smoothed out and tuned properly. Maybe this winter.

Lightweight flywheel.

You mean with out using the clutch, just opening her up and lifting up.  because that is what I want out of it.  I hate having to use the clutch to pop it up.  had a moment the other day leaving work doing that.  rear tire was cold and spun when it lifted up and shot me sideways, I saved it and brought it down smooth, but I know when I go into work tomorrow some one had to of seen it happen and I am sure I will be made fun of. lol

I saw lighter flywheel on proitalia.com for a little over 300 I think.  it saves over 2 pounds. 

Been there done that!  I've got the clutch wheelie pretty much down.  Now I'm working on the power wheelie.... [evil]

just orderd the 14th sprocket and starting to look for a power commander v hopefully used on ebay,  and going to call a bike shop that does machine work tomorrow and see if they can possibley lighten my fly wheel by machining it and still keep it correctly balanced.  fall is approaching fast here in chicago and the rainy season is starting so I need to get a move on with this stuff so I dont have to think everyday over the winter about how much better the bike might be.

I put on the 14t sprocket and holy shit what a diffrence, went out for 4 hour ride and just so happy with how smooth and great the bike rides now.  best 25 dollars spent yet

More research is required.  They're out there for less $...

Try Nichols Manufacturing.

For christ's sake Raux.  Every time I read a post you have your dirty little fingers in I spend more money. 

But since were on the subject...a PCV on the stock ecu vs the termi ecu (or the stock with the termi reflash)...any advantage to the reflash or will the PC take care of it from the stock map?

(and it looks like Ill be hunting for cams and a flywheel once the snow flies...) (*&$%!!!!)

a reflash will give you more than the termi ecu, you can adjust fuel cutoff, drop teh closed loop, etc.

i wish I had waited for the reflash instead of getting a termi. BUT i would only get a reflash if the shop was local to me and it came with a dyno tune.

on the 14t, when i head back to the states i'll change it back to 14t from 15t. I do love the mod for city riding for sure.

So then would you bother with a PCV if you had a dyno tuned map?

I was kind of thinking cams, some sort of airbox mod, and some flow work on the heads, then get the reflash.  (flywheel shouldnt have any effect on the tuning right?)

Ive got to tear the bike down for the superbike front end this winter anyway...so why not get into the motor.  (and I think I abuse my clutch too much so that would be the time to do the flywheel.)


On the subject of the closed loop...if you eliminate that portion of the tune, you no longer have a need fo your O2 sensors correct? since it just dumps fuel for a specific A/F ratio regardless of what the sensor feedback is right? wouldnt this be a bad idea since you dont have consistant inlet air temperature?

I dont have the remap. just the termi ecu.
But yes, if you have a complete remap with proper setup, no o2s, higher rev limit etc. no reason IMO for a PCV.

flywheel affects how quickly the bike gets into certain revs and for downshift rev matching... could tuning be affected, probably not, but tuning with the features of the flywheel could determine how you want the power to come on. so you could shift your power up in the revs if you wanted to take full advantage. add the more open intake, a port and polish, a higher rev limit and all of the sudden you have a bike that loves the upper revs more.

BUT I do have to shift more than the ST2 ;)

flywheel is on opposite side of clutch ;)

getting rid of the closed loop allows the PC V or remap to work better in the full rev range.
remember the closed loop is all about emissions. the PC V has some O2 optimizers that trick the closed loop into enriching the loop a bit.
with the ecu getting rid of it, you can drop the optimizers, drop the O2 sensors (or replace them with the PC Autotune wideband ones, then it will build a map for you)

lots of options and obviously deserves it's own thread... good thing there is one ;) The closed loop sticky

Woah now I never said the fly wheel and clutch were under the same cover! I just said it would be a good time to do both!   [thumbsup]

Just giving u a hard time  [evil]